IF your looking for a "Real Mans" Caddy then check out these specs and Features on the Rear Wheel Drive 95' Fleetwood > Think it looks good on paper?
Wait till you Drive one! :spin: :spin:

Click here for Specs> http://209.145.176.7/~090/awh/cfb.html#spec

I know man, you have seen the light :D

I am amazed by the mad burnouts you can do in those babies....... looks pretty weird for an almost 20ft vehicle going sideways down the road........

Another member for FOSS ;)

He is our latest inductee :D !!!!!!!

What IS FOSS? :spin:

Fleetwood Owners Secret Society = FOSS!!!

Ahh I C > Count Me In < :sneaky:

You dont have a fleetwood yet, do you??? You must have a fleetwood (or be directly related to one, and have access to it) to be part of it!

You dont have a fleetwood yet, do you??? You must have a fleetwood (or be directly related to one, and have access to it) to be part of it!

I like your membership rules Wes. Kind of custom tailored for you huh ? ;)

Fleetwood Owners Secret Society = FOSS!!!
Thank you! I was just about to ask that question myself...

I like your membership rules Wes. Kind of custom tailored for you huh ? ;)
Basically :D

You dont have a fleetwood yet, do you??? You must have a fleetwood (or be directly related to one, and have access to it) to be part of it!

Well I have one picked out > the only one i could find anyway's,
Im just waiting on my bank to approve the loan> they told me they usually don't approve loans on any vehichle more than 7 years old, but they sometimes make acceptions to the rule on Cadillacs> the loan value is over 8000.00 on the 95' depending on the mileage.

You dont have a fleetwood yet, do you??? You must have a fleetwood (or be directly related to one, and have access to it) to be part of it!





And not own a Infiniti. Cause if you own one and got access to a Fleetwood but you don't own it,then they cancel each other out. :sneaky: Its all in the Fleetwood contract :contract:

At 225 inches overall, Fleetwood was The Largest production car built in the U.S. Here you go Sal check this out.

http://auto.consumerguide.com/auto/used/reviews/full/index.cfm/id/2004.htm

The ownership of other cars does NOT affect your membership towards FOSS!!

The ownership of other cars does NOT affect your membership towards FOSS!!


It does when you own one of Cadillac competitors. We still wuv ya Wes. How about one simple rule for FOSS. You must own a Fleetwood (RWD)to be a full member of FOSS and anything else is a Pledge of FOSS such as looking for a Fleetwood or related to someone who owns one.

It does when you own one of Cadillac competitors. We still wuv ya Wes. How about one simple rule for FOSS. You must own a Fleetwood (RWD)to be a full member of FOSS and anything else is a Pledge of FOSS such as looking for a Fleetwood or related to someone who owns one.
WOOHOO!!! :feeling slightly verclemft:

Ralph cant be a member!!!!! Just kidding Ralph... We can make an exception for the lowest mileage FW around here.......

We should make a FOSS charter!!

WOOHOO!!! :feeling slightly verclemft:

Ralph cant be a member!!!!! Just kidding Ralph... We can make an exception for the lowest mileage FW around here.......

We should make a FOSS charter!!


:histeric:

Hell Wes since KC ain't here I gotta be on ya. :devil:

Its a dirty job, but someone has to do it!

It does when you own one of Cadillac competitors. We still wuv ya Wes. How about one simple rule for FOSS. You must own a Fleetwood (RWD)to be a full member of FOSS and anything else is a Pledge of FOSS such as looking for a Fleetwood or related to someone who owns one.

I'll second that!!

But I'm not sure about Ralph. Are we going to let FWD cars in just because Cadillac STUPIDLY stuck the Fleetwood name on some of them? Or do we restrict membership to RWD Fleetwoods only?
This is important stuff here that we MUST decide on :rolleyes:

NO RALPH!!!! :D

Agreed. FWD Fleetwoods shouldn't count. ;)

Really, the FWD fleetwoods arent fleetwoods, their just glorified DeVilles........

Should we let the broughams (RWD) of that era be allowed into FOSS??

Really, the FWD fleetwoods arent fleetwoods, their just glorified DeVilles........

Should we let the broughams (RWD) of that era be allowed into FOSS??


I think we should allow the Broughams since it is a Fleetwood in all but name. Cadillac dropped the ball when they put the Fleetwood name on the then new FWD Devilles.

UMMM What abou Fleetwood motor homes?

Are they cadillac???

No cadillac, no FOSS membership!

Are they cadillac???

No cadillac, no FOSS membership!

I think you got the idea :thumbsup:

I think we should allow the Broughams since it is a Fleetwood in all but name. Cadillac dropped the ball when they put the Fleetwood name on the then new FWD Devilles.

ABSOFRIGGINLUTELY! :thumbsup:

I just discovered this thread. I guess I need KC to back me up. :burn: I still don't understand what FOSS will do for you, who cares if its the front wheels spinning or the rears. It just looks more cool if it's the rears because that is how a car is traditionally supposed to be. But hey technology keeps changing, and now it seems most car manufacturers are going back to tradition. It still says FLEETWOOD on my car guys, but I won't hold a grudge. :nyanya:

But, anyone can do a burn out in FWD...... But lets not get that started again!

How about this....FOSSr and FOSSf.

NO! Only FOSS for RWD!!!!!

Are they cadillac???

No cadillac, no FOSS membership!

Hmm, Are they a Cadillac? I really don't know unless we get into what a Cadillac is...

Since a Cadillac is just a Body mounted on a GM frame with a Chevy motor, then I suppose there are plenty of Fleetwoos Motorhomes out there like that.

I just discovered this thread. I guess I need KC to back me up. :burn: I still don't understand what FOSS will do for you, who cares if its the front wheels spinning or the rears. It just looks more cool if it's the rears because that is how a car is traditionally supposed to be. But hey technology keeps changing, and now it seems most car manufacturers are going back to tradition. It still says FLEETWOOD on my car guys, but I won't hold a grudge. :nyanya:

If you gotta ask, you'll never get it anyway. FOSS is SPECIFICALLY for those people that understand what a TRUE Cadillac is. In my mind, all these modern FWD Cadillacs (Sevilles, Eldorados, Devilles) are just one step up from a Cimerron.

NO! Only FOSS for RWD!!!!!


Guess that means no FOSS for Wes since he don't even own a Cadillac.
Don't worry Ralph.....you'll be a part of FOSS before Wes since you own a Caddy.

All this talk is just making me drool more over the black on black Fleetwood that's advertised in today's Memphis [/u]Commercial Appeal[/u].

(just a few more weeks, a few more weeks...)

i went to the hobby shop to try to find a cadillac modle, NONE! But they did have an impala SS, so iam gona turn it into a fleetwood! Its gona take a long time, but i'll see if i can get pics of my progress to show you guys. And maybe when iam done i can get in FOSS :burn:

Guess that means no FOSS for Wes since he don't even own a Cadillac.
Don't worry Ralph.....you'll be a part of FOSS before Wes since you own a Caddy.
I have RWD!

I've changed my mind. I have to step in here, in Ralph's defense. Not to take sides against Wes, but having a FWD Fleetwood makes you closer to qualifying than just having RWD in some other model. Otherwise, we'd have to call the club "RWDOSS"

These acronyms don't work for me anymore. Maybe we should come up with something else.

Let's see, we have Fleetwood, Owners, Secret, and Society, but we also need to add Brougham and Rear Wheel Drive.

FOSSBRWD.

Not enough vowels. We could add some words like "Appreciation" or "Esteem" and a preposition here and there like "of" "to" "for" and then maybe an article like "the".

FOSSBRWDAEOTFT

We could also add some words like "American" or "National" or "Cadillac".

FOSSBRWDAEOTFTANC

Nope, that doesn't work, either. Maybe if we dropped a few letters here and there, shuffled them around a little bit, and changed a word or two...

FORDS--Fleetwood Owners', Rear-Drive Society. (NO! THAT WON'T WORK!!!)

or, we could come up with a club for Broughams and DeVilles and call it the BAD CRWD (Broughams and Devilles, Cadillac Rear Wheel Drive)

or SLOB (secret loyal order of the Brougham)

But back to Fleetwoods, an all-encompassing name like this might work.

FAS BROADS--Fleetwood Appreciation Society, Broughams (and) Rear-drive Owners (of) America Drive Safely

you can tell I have way too much time on my hands right now...

I've taken the For Sale signs off of my Vette. I'll try again next Summer.. I guess I have a year to save some extra cash to get a really, really nice Fleetwood.. Hopefully I don't have to fly to Hawaii to find one...

I wouldnt consider myself to be a FOSS member (or at least a FULL FOSS member), since I dont own a fleetwood, let alone a cadillac! Especially before someone else that has a cadillac <like ralph>...

I have RWD!



But is your name on the title of the Caddy? :nyanya:
We'll consider your application to FOSS :rolleyes:

As was said previously, if you don't have a RWD Cadillac, then the best you can be is a "pledge". No full membership until you get a RWD Caddy.

Hmm, Are they a Cadillac? I really don't know unless we get into what a Cadillac is...

Since a Cadillac is just a Body mounted on a GM frame with a Chevy motor, then I suppose there are plenty of Fleetwoos Motorhomes out there like that.

It's too bad that's all you think of your Cadillac, mine has an engine "made exclusively for Cadillac Motor car Division." To me, that's something special, and I don't really care if I can be a member of your little club. I am already a member of a great Forum, and that's enough for me. Now, we're going to define what a "real" Cadillac is? I've never quite heard anything like that before. :rofl: How about we compare condition, mileage, car care, etc. I am sure I get better mileage than a RWD. Can you match 20-25 city, and 25-35 on highway, with tons of power to spare? I don't claim to be an expert like some, but I am proud to drive a "real" Cadillac, not a Buick Roadmaster in disguise! :devil:

OOOOOOH!

That's a low blow!

(actually, you could've added Caprice to the Roadmaster insult) ;)

It's too bad that's all you think of your Cadillac, mine has an engine "made exclusively for Cadillac Motor car Division." To me, that's something special, and I don't really care if I can be a member of your little club. I am already a member of a great Forum, and that's enough for me. Now, we're going to define what a "real" Cadillac is? I've never quite heard anything like that before. :rofl: How about we compare condition, mileage, car care, etc. I am sure I get better mileage than a RWD. Can you match 20-25 city, and 25-35 on highway, with tons of power to spare? I don't claim to be an expert like some, but I am proud to drive a "real" Cadillac, not a Buick Roadmaster in disguise! :devil:


:histeric:
This is getting good!!!

As far as I know, my 1991 FWD Fleetwood is NOT BASED on any other car's platform. (engine-wise at least) No other GM car used the 4.9 so as far as I could be concerned, my car is a REAL CADILLAC. The rear drive Fleetwoods are based on a shared platform, and thus to me, do not seem all that special. (yes I will defend myself, didn't expect that did you?) These are things I would say if you got me angry, again. ;)

Well ralph, you can start your own FwdOSS!!

Lets not let this turn into the RWD vs FWD again!

Isn't the FWD Fleetwoods base on them FWD Buicks?

Well ralph, you can start your own FwdOSS!!

Lets not let this turn into the RWD vs FWD again!

I don't care if its FWD or RWD (actually I prefer RWD for lower future maintenance costs, but I don't really care). A Cadillac is still a Cadillac. This is as pathetic as trying to determine what is rice or what is a fast car or not. I don't care either way. For Kat and Stud: But don't try to tell anyone especially me, that one Cadillac is more Cadillac than the other. That is just personal preference talking, and by mouthing off one Caddy, you are putting your own down in the process as well. It's all the same heritage, Dudes. :canttalk:

A Chevy Vega is still just as much a Chevy (unfortunately) as an Impala. I've never heard anyone say it is less a Chevy, that is not logical, Spock!

Isn't the FWD Fleetwoods base on them FWD Buicks?

I'm not totally sure, but name another 1991 FWD GM car with a 113 in. wheelbase? Even the Lesabre's that year were dinky by comparison. My engine was exclusive though, as well as most of the options.

I'm not totally sure, but name another 1991 FWD GM car with a 113 in. wheelbase? Even the Lesabre's that year were dinky by comparison. My engine was exclusive though, as well as most of the options.



On a FWD car its pretty easy to add to the wheelbase compared to the RWD cars. As for engines, my 4.1 was exclusive to Cadillac too (even if it was a piece of crap). But now I'm putting in another exclusive Cadillac engine (500 V8) :devil: :burn:

Here's the question then, Is a Cadillac a true Cadillac if it shares components with a Chevy? or, is it a "real" Cadillac if it has some exclusivity, and uniqueness, and its own special identity?

"I think therefore I am." :worship:

IF your looking for a "Real Mans" Caddy then check out these specs and Features on the Rear Wheel Drive 95' Fleetwood > Think it looks good on paper?
Wait till you Drive one! :spin: :spin:

Click here for Specs> http://209.145.176.7/~090/awh/cfb.html#spec

To Refresh your memory > THIS thread is NOT about 4.9 FWD Cadillacs "that women drive"

IT IS ABOUT 1995 Rear Wheel Drive Fleetwoods > That "Real Men" Drive!

Nobody is saying you don't have a "real" Cadillac You DO have A "Real Womans" Caddy > Nothing to be ashamed of here, but Please stick to the Original Topic > Start your own thread about the FWD 4.9 if you like but if you see me driving my 5.7 Liter LT1 RWD Road Rocket down the Highway please be sure to "Get Out of My Way" so you don't get run over! :spin: :spin: :farting:

To Refresh your memory > THIS thread is NOT about 4.9 FWD Cadillacs "that women drive"

IT IS ABOUT 1995 Rear Wheel Drive Fleetwoods > That "Real Men" Drive!

Nobody is saying you don't have a "real" Cadillac You DO have A "Real Womans" Caddy > Nothing to be ashamed of here, but Please stick to the Original Topic > Start your own thread about the FWD 4.9 if you like but if you see me driving my 5.7 Liter LT1 RWD Road Rocket down the Highway please be sure to "Get Out of My Way" so you don't get run over! :spin: :spin: :farting:






:rofl: :histeric: It has begun!!!!! The RWD-FWD WAR!!!!!!

WHOA!!! Settle down here, this doesnt have to be a flame war!!

What is the big deal of exclusivisty (if thats a word :) ) that makes a cadillac a "true cadillac".... If something is really good (like the drivetrain and chassis), why not share it with other models??

I can see it now "FWD-RWD Grudge Match at the Dragway & Slalom"

To Refresh your memory > THIS thread is NOT about 4.9 FWD Cadillacs "that women drive"

IT IS ABOUT 1995 Rear Wheel Drive Fleetwoods > That "Real Men" Drive!

Nobody is saying you don't have a "real" Cadillac You DO have A "Real Womans" Caddy > Nothing to be ashamed of here, but Please stick to the Original Topic > Start your own thread about the FWD 4.9 if you like but if you see me driving my 5.7 Liter LT1 RWD Road Rocket down the Highway please be sure to "Get Out of My Way" so you don't get run over! :spin: :spin: :farting:

Sounds like something a "cornered animal" would say. It turned into that and more Dude, and if you're a glutten, stick around. I noticed you were watching and not knowing how to respond, it's about time. YA, I will defend my CADILLAC, a Real Car. I guess I got my answer = exclusivity over the comon car. And anytime I see my name mentioned and I discover it, I WILL RESPOND! It's easy to say I drive a womans Caddy, come up with something more original, and back it up. Like it or not, a Cimmer is still a Caddy also. Did I ever insult you Sound? NO, expect it back then.

Me think he was being scarcastic about them comments but take it as you will.

whats the 0-6- time on lt1 FWs? like 10sec? I wouldnt call that a road rocket. but why are we putting down our own BROTHERS!(and like 2 sisters) Lets not forget the realy threat, those big SUVs that block your site so you cant see when its safe to turn your boat left! And to be honest, name the only other cadillac to share parts with another GM car.....hm we have the Fleetwood and the mighty Cimarron, think about that one! :rofl:

It seems that the Brain Fart Count just keeps going up :helpless: As for you Ralf > Ive seen Better Heads on Cabbage! :rofl:
It's a RWD Thing man you wouldn't understand :spin:

whats the 0-6- time on lt1 FWs? like 10sec? I wouldnt call that a road rocket. but why are we putting down our own BROTHERS!(and like 2 sisters) Lets not forget the realy threat, those big SUVs that block your site so you cant see when its safe to turn your boat left! And to be honest, name the only other cadillac to share parts with another GM car.....hm we have the Fleetwood and the mighty Cimarron, think about that one! :rofl:

The Cimer was before my Caddy's time.

It seems that the Brain Fart Count just keeps going up :helpless: As for you Ralf > Ive seen Better Heads on Cabbage! :rofl:
It's a RWD Thing man you wouldn't understand :spin:

Actually I love Cabbage, but it has to be organic. As for me not understanding RWD, I've had a few: 1970 Plymouth Fury, 1978 Dodge Monaco (police package) 1991 Mercury Grand Marquis, 1969 Dodge Charger (383) To date, I have only had 2 FWD cars, the REAL CADDY I am driving now and a 1980 Pontiac Phoenix with a torquey V6 that is so damn light I'll suprise you at the lights and your hairpiece will be flying. But I'll bow down nicely and let your pride rule the day.

IF your looking for a "Real Mans" Caddy then check out these specs and Features on the Rear Wheel Drive 95' Fleetwood > Think it looks good on paper?
Wait till you Drive one! :spin: :spin:

Click here for Specs> http://209.145.176.7/~090/awh/cfb.html#spec

Oh yea Ralf i saw all those cars you had at the junk yard too, i think they were waiting to be crushed and recycled into more Chrysler products :vomit:

Oh yea Ralf i saw all those cars you had at the junk yard too, i think they were waiting to be crushed and recycled into more Chrysler products :vomit:
The Charger RT was probably worth more now than all the cars you've ever owned.

The Charger RT was probably worth more now than all the cars you've ever owned.



Key word is WAS.

I'll second that!!

But I'm not sure about Ralph. Are we going to let FWD cars in just because Cadillac STUPIDLY stuck the Fleetwood name on some of them? Or do we restrict membership to RWD Fleetwoods only?
This is important stuff here that we MUST decide on :rolleyes:

Membership MUST be restricted to V.I.P. RWD "TRUE" Fleetwood Owners ONLY > And ALL FOSS Members should be required to Pass a basic Mechanical Evaluation Test and score above 80% common knowledge to very basic questions> For example, PCV Valve Location ect. in order to obtain Membership.

Membership MUST be restricted to V.I.P. RWD "TRUE" Fleetwood Owners ONLY > And ALL FOSS Members should be required to Pass a basic Mechanical Evaluation Test and score above 80% common knowledge to very basic questions> For example, PCV Valve Location ect. in order to obtain Membership.

:histeric:

This topic is going to be closed soon. It's embarrasing to me. When new people signup and read this, they turn the other way...

I think 0-60 is 8.5 on the LT1 Fleetwoods. But Kat and HotRod have "tweaked" theirs a little bit.

If memory serves, Buick Park Ave., Olds '98, and Cadillac DeVille were all the same. I don't remember if the FWD Fleetwood had a longer wheelbase or not. Then there was the Buick LeSabre, Olds '88, and Cadillac Seville, which were all a slightly shorter wheelbase (110" ?), but very close to the same car.

For the past 30 years or so, the thing that set Caddy apart from the rest was higher quality suspension, insulation, and interior trim. So if you're splitting hairs about whether or not Ralph has a "real" Cadillac, you'll have to say that he does. I've ridden in a Fleetwood like his, and my father owned a 1985 Olds '98--there's a noticeable difference in quality.

CHRIST PEOPLE!!!!! This wasnt meant to be a flame war...... Its not like FOSS is a matter of life or death (its far more important that that :D ).....

But seriously, at first it started out as casual, fun conversation, and then it turned into a flame war, which really is stupid...... I just hope we dont loose any more members because of the flaming!!!!

There were no Cadillacs made after 1996 then? OK whatever.

Membership MUST be restricted to V.I.P. RWD "TRUE" Fleetwood Owners ONLY > And ALL FOSS Members should be required to Pass a basic Mechanical Evaluation Test and score above 80% common knowledge to very basic questions> For example, PCV Valve Location ect. in order to obtain Membership.

Its Valve Location Etc., not ect! :disappoin And I sure never had your help in any way finding it, the pcv that is. It is after all, a simple device that you should have known about, as you have had a Cadillac longer than me?!

JEEZ.... Is it that time of month?? Lighten up

:grouphug:

IF your looking for a "Real Mans" Caddy then check out these specs and Features on the Rear Wheel Drive 95' Fleetwood > Think it looks good on paper?
Wait till you Drive one! :spin: :spin:

Click here for Specs> http://209.145.176.7/~090/awh/cfb.html#spec

Ok Back to the original topic> ATTENTION ALL FOSS MEMBERS ONLY< Please people lets stick to the Original Topic> RWD Fleetwood cars produced between 1993 and 1996 Only< I am getting ready to buy one of these cars and i would like to learn as much as i can about them. Sal, i apologize for the childs play posted earlier in this thread> it was just in fun and i hope nobody takes it too personal> just having a little fun thats all... I have quite a few Dealers looking around for some 95' RWD Fleetwoods for me, even though i have found one i like, i will let you know when i locate another one if you are in the market for one i am positive i can find you a real nice clean one with decent miles> I have feelers out all over Louisville and Southern Indiana. You may want to stick with the 95's though due mainly to Bank financing> I think you may have trouble getting the underwriters to approve a loan on anything any older than a 95' But, you could get around that by doing a Signature Loan with your Bank. I will Keep you posted on the cars i find, their price,condition and mileage, and a contact # for you.

Fleetwood Owners Secret Society = FOSS!!!

Now it's not a secret anymore! :canttalk:

Who let you in, anyway? The rule book clearly states you need to be a Fleetood OWNER! :nyanya:

Here's the question then, Is a Cadillac a true Cadillac if it shares components with a Chevy? or, is it a "real" Cadillac if it has some exclusivity, and uniqueness, and its own special identity?

"I think therefore I am." :worship:

Does this include the new XLR sharing componants with the Corvette?

Ok Back to the original topic> ATTENTION ALL FOSS MEMBERS ONLY< Please people lets stick to the Original Topic> RWD Fleetwood cars produced between 1993 and 1996 Only< I am getting ready to buy one of these cars and i would like to learn as much as i can about them. Sal, i apologize for the childs play posted earlier in this thread> it was just in fun and i hope nobody takes it too personal> just having a little fun thats all... I have quite a few Dealers looking around for some 95' RWD Fleetwoods for me, even though i have found one i like, i will let you know when i locate another one if you are in the market for one i am positive i can find you a real nice clean one with decent miles> I have feelers out all over Louisville and Southern Indiana. You may want to stick with the 95's though due mainly to Bank financing> I think you may have trouble getting the underwriters to approve a loan on anything any older than a 95' But, you could get around that by doing a Signature Loan with your Bank. I will Keep you posted on the cars i find, their price,condition and mileage, and a contact # for you.

Mike:

Check an earlier post I made about a pristine '95 Fleetwood for sale in Memphis. It's a private party deal, and the guy's asking a CHUNK for it, but I'll bet he'll listen to reasonable offers. I posted a link to the Memphis newspaper's classified ads. You should be able to find it there.

Good luck.

Oops. That was in another thread.

Here's the link to it:

http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=19559&postcount=39

$25k is kinda ridiculous...

Thanks S.A...

There were no Cadillacs made after 1996 then? OK whatever.

Sure there has. The Escalade follows the great tradition of decades of Cadillac truck making expertise.

A Chevy by any other name, can still become a Cadillac.

Here are a few links you may want to check out Sal.

1993 Fleetwood >
http://www.100megsfree4.com/cadillac/cad1990/cad93f.htm

1994 Fleetwood > http://100megsfree4.com/cadillac/cad1990/cad94f.htm

1995 Fleetwood >
http://100megsfree4.com/cadillac/cad1990/cad95f.htm

1996 Fleetwood >
http://www.100megsfree4.com/cadillac/cad1990/cad96f.htm

You people are nutso!!!! :bulging:

Thanks SA. :) Fleetwood SS. Nice site. VERY nice Fleetwood! :) I never realized there was such a following for the Fleetwood. I have to start a thread about this...

You people are nutso!!!! :bulging:

Uh oh. A new member to the club!

One SWEET ride, by the way. He has THE REAL THING!

http://www.dbody.com/images/wood03.jpg
Love those rims. :spin:

You people are nutso!!!! :bulging:

W E L C O M E
to
"The Family"
How Fast Is your Fleetwood? Bet it Rolls! :spin: :spin:

W E L C O M E
to
"The Family"
How Fast Is your Fleetwood? Bet it Rolls! :spin: :spin:Thank you. I haven't been to the track since I got the positraction and 3.73 gears installed. I'd guess mid-high 14s?

I'm picking it up tomorrow from the painter's. Total color-change to Bronzemist (some of you newer Cadillac owners should recognize that one), brand new chrome and emblems all around are being shipped and 95/96 mirrors are installed. It'll be a brand new car! :spin:

I got hit (www.dbody.com/wreck) on March 8th which prompted all this.

Mine is named Caddywampuss.

Uh oh. A new member to the club!

One SWEET ride, by the way. He has THE REAL THING!

http://www.dbody.com/images/wood03.jpg
Love those rims. :spin:


Holy cow that is one cool car. Is the front lowered on it?

YO Dan!!!
How you been man?! Haven't seen you around. I thought you signed up awhile ago? How's the car running with some miles on it? Any stronger? Did you see that Bill did the T56 conversion to his car? He was here for a while making some claims about how much faster his car was going to be after the conversion but most guys here shot him down and told him the conversion while unique, was not really smart on the Caddy. After that, he said he was taking it to the track the following weekend and then he'd have some proof to back up his claims. Unfortunately, we never heard back from him so I'm guessing he realized he was wrong. I told him that as long as HE was happy with it, that's all that mattered but we still haven't heard back from him.
Anyway, good to see you here. Check-out DeanStud's posts, he does some great Photo Shop work too.

Kevin

NICE car SS, i think i just found the colors for my model. Oh and i saw a FW just like yours here in FL had the BBS style wheels and all.

Yep, the car is lowered by Hotchkis 1.5" Impala lowering springs. I'm getting a little tired of the sportscarish ride though. I think I'll get air instead.

I'm going to sneak out this weekend and take a look at this one...

http://images.autotrader.com/images/2003/7/8/135/848/424879415.135848948.IM1.MAIN.240x180_A.240x180.jpg

can't wait.

ho much did the conversion to posi trac cost?





Thank you. I haven't been to the track since I got the positraction and 3.73 gears installed. I'd guess mid-high 14s?

I'm picking it up tomorrow from the painter's. Total color-change to Bronzemist (some of you newer Cadillac owners should recognize that one), brand new chrome and emblems all around are being shipped and 95/96 mirrors are installed. It'll be a brand new car! :spin:

I got hit (http://www.dbody.com/wreck) on March 8th which prompted all this.

ho much did the conversion to posi trac cost?I think the Eaton positraction was like $600 or something. Got it from www.ClearImageAutomotive.com.

How do you bypass the fuel shutoff on the fleetwood?

how do you bypass the fuel shutoff on the fleetwood?

Katshot would know the answer to your fuel question PiMpIn.

Check out this article on the 94-96 LT1

http://www.nwjcra.org/~dboyle/9c1/chip.html

how do you bypass the fuel shutoff on the fleetwood?

I take it, you're talking about the 108mph speed limiter?
The only way is to modify the setting in the PCM flash. This can be done through a variety of products available on the market. I used LT1-Edit, but you can use anything from a DIY product similar to LT1-Edit, or a customized PCM from someone like Ed Wright @ FastChip.
I have mine set to 155mph since I doubt I will EVER reach that speed.

Big Dan. Sup Homez. Glad to see you over here. Can't wait to see the new paint. Just please tell me you had the red badges painted too :p .

How do I become a member of foss? I own a rwd fleetwood with a lt1>

I have mine set to 155mph since I doubt I will EVER reach that speed.

So what's the fastest you've driven in the FTS?

On a straight freeway, 108 seems to come up pretty fast. I'd like to drive my car to Las Vegas someday after I reprogram and find the top speed.

How do I become a member of foss? I own a rwd fleetwood with a lt1>

You have to take the pledge. But only after you've read the rule book. :burn:

Oh, and you have to ignore Wes. He's a wannabe FoSS. Or FoSSlite, as we call them.

How do I become a member of foss? I own a rwd fleetwood with a lt1>

Got any pic's?

So what's the fastest you've driven in the FTS?

On a straight freeway, 108 seems to come up pretty fast. I'd like to drive my car to Las Vegas someday after I reprogram and find the top speed.

Had her to 144mph one time. It was still pulling strong so I'm sure it would do better. I'm fairly sure I'll run into the rev limiter before I run out of engine. I COULD raise the limiter a little but to be honest, I don't care that much. I did it once just to see what it would do. I don't intend to go that fast again anytime soon.

You have to take the pledge. But only after you've read the rule book. :burn:

Oh, and you have to ignore Wes. He's a wannabe FoSS. Or FoSSlite, as we call them.



:histeric: :rofl:
FoSSlite!!! I like that!!

:histeric: :rolleyes: :rofl:

Big Dan. Sup Homez. Glad to see you over here. Can't wait to see the new paint. Just please tell me you had the red badges painted too :p . SHAUN! Very funny. No, they're still red. I picked up the car Tuesday night and have slowly been putting it together after work in the 110º heat. I'm waiting on Dal to get my new chrome to me. I'll make a thread on the Impala Forum and here when she's done. Nice to see you're still around man.

3:73 gears > Bet she really Rolls! Think you could out run Katshot at Deer Valley ? Do they still run out there? > I use to live in Phoenix. :spin:

3:73 gears > Bet she really Rolls! Think you could out run Katshot at Deer Valley ? Do they still run out there? > I use to live in Phoenix. :spin:I don't know. I have'nt tried it out at the track with the new rearend. I know that I can eat many-a-ricer and BMWs that aren't paying attention at stoplights though.

The cops have pretty much cracked down on Deer Valley & 7th. I don't know where the little ricer gang hangs out now.

Uh-oh.

this one looks really good, fellas...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2424447916&category=6149

Thank you. Every one of those images have been added to my personal Fleetwood gallery. I have hundreds...

Clean car. The write-up is a little inaccurate but it's no big deal. Sounds like a hell of a deal.

I need to tell my Dad about that one. He wants to sell his '93 Ford Mustang Cobra (8,000 miles) for another Fleetwood

Jeez. Save one for me - for God's sake!

This will be a good auction to watch. Bidding has now topped $11,000, and the reserve has been met.

The final outcome will be a pretty good indicator of the market value for a car like this.

Just found two more!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2424267233&category=6149

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2424551642

Uh oh. A new member to the club!

One SWEET ride, by the way. He has THE REAL THING!

http://www.dbody.com/images/wood03.jpg
Love those rims. :spin:

What style rims are those? I want those rims on my next Cadillac.

What style rims are those? I want those rims on my next Cadillac.MHT Montereys. I'm thinking about getting 18"s like these someday. Just got to find some with a 5x5 bolt pattern.

Here is a nice HotRod upgrade for your Fleetwood's > The Super Natural LT1
http://www.callawaycars.com/Camaro/supernatural_engine.htm

Here is a nice HotRod upgrade for your Fleetwood's > The Super Natural LT1
http://www.callawaycars.com/Camaro/supernatural_engine.htm

Thanks. The write-up gives me a path to follow in the future when I decide to start building a 400hp engine.

Is that engine too much or what! :D Thats what i would opt for at "Rebuild time" and it comes with a 3 year 36000 mile warranty! When it comes to engines and high performance you really need to start from the bottom up > Top end bolt-ons aren't alway's the way to go in my opinion. :spin:

Is that engine too much or what! :D Thats what i would opt for at "Rebuild time" and it comes with a 3 year 36000 mile warranty! When it comes to engines and high performance you really need to start from the bottom up > Top end bolt-ons aren't alway's the way to go in my opinion. :spin:

That's supposed to be 400hp and the LS1 heads are supposed to be 400hp. I wonder what a 383 with an LS1 top end would do? Then what would you get if you added a Powerdyne supercharger on top of that (actually it'd be on the side)?

Here's the car I saw advertised in the Memphis paper a few weeks ago. They were asking $25,000.

It looks as good as it sounds.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2424712440

You might consider the extra torque provided by the old 400 inch Chevy Small block. When I redid my 78 Caprice Landau with the 2:56 gear (same as most Fleetwoods), I built a 4 Bolt 400 with SB #441 head castings. It really woke the car up and it still cruised like a heavy tall gear car on the interstates. The 400 is dimensionally identical to the LT1, a Direct boltin. It is externally balanced, whereas the 350 LT is internal balance. At 030 overbore to clean up wear, it is a 406 Cubic inch smallblock. Strong!

The blocks are getting a bit hard to find, but I may have one or two stashed at my old shop.

Sorry to say it but, IMO, the Chevy 400 small block is a LOUSY engine choice for building a hot rod.
The block is already over punched from the OEM. Produces a very short-lived engine due to paper-thin cylinder walls.
You ever notice next to NOBODY uses them?
If you want displacement that big, in a Chevy, go with a big block. A 383 is as big as I would ever go in a Chevy small block.

Sorry to say it but, IMO, the Chevy 400 small block is a LOUSY engine choice for building a hot rod.
The block is already over punched from the OEM. Produces a very short-lived engine due to paper-thin cylinder walls.
You ever notice next to NOBODY uses them?
If you want displacement that big, in a Chevy, go with a big block. A 383 is as big as I would ever go in a Chevy small block.Yes, or go SBC with a Bowtie or aftermarket block.

Use the 400 crank in the 350.

You ought to just go buy a new Bowtie Block and build a 400-434 and have a ball. The 400 block in 4 bolt form has not been a problem...,The Bowtie is in the Chevy perf catalog. Whatever! Power has a price...!
Kep us posted on your project.

Kep us posted on your project.

Project?

I was just wondering what a 383 with LS1 heads would do.

At a tad past 21k miles, I won't be touching the motor for a few years.

Here's the car I saw advertised in the Memphis paper a few weeks ago. They were asking $25,000.

It looks as good as it sounds.




It's the right Cadillac in the right color and year!

It should bring more than this one (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&category=6149&item=2424447916) you posted a few days ago.

Here is a nice HotRod upgrade for your Fleetwood's > The Super Natural LT1
http://www.callawaycars.com/Camaro/supernatural_engine.htm

Again this would be it for me come "Rebuild Time" It sure would look good under the hood of Any Fleetwood > And with 400 hp it Would be a far cry from the stock 260 hp LT1. A major suspension upgrade would Definately be on the list of things to do after it was installed, or better yet B-4 :spin:

A major suspension upgrade would Definately be on the list of things to do after it was installed, or better yet B-4 :spin:

Definitley a suspension upgrade before a power increase! The stock suspension can't handle it's stock 260hp power or it's hefty 4500lb weight. 400hp and squirly, floaty handling would not be a good combination.

Anyway, that's my project focus for a little while. I'm debating about doing a limo ball joint upgrade (using it's A-arm) or wait for the aftermarket Impala SS tubular A-arm thats supposed to be released soon.

It's the right Cadillac in the right color and year!

It should bring more than this one (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&category=6149&item=2424447916) you posted a few days ago.

I'd pay up to $15K for the RIGHT one. But I think that if I get one I'll be spending in the $10,000 - $12,500 range. I doubt that the guy in Memphis will be seeing any offers over $14,000.

Right now on eBay there are at least five excellent low-mileage Fleetwoods. I'm drooling. The one in Jacksonville looks the best to me, but it's got 59,000 miles on it. Others are lower.

This topic is going to be closed soon. It's embarrasing to me. When new people signup and read this, they turn the other way...

Or even older members who haven't been around for a while because of it... ;)

But I'm not done "catching up" yet :D

YO Dan!!!
How you been man?! Haven't seen you around. I thought you signed up awhile ago? How's the car running with some miles on it? Any stronger? Did you see that Bill did the T56 conversion to his car? He was here for a while making some claims about how much faster his car was going to be after the conversion but most guys here shot him down and told him the conversion while unique, was not really smart on the Caddy. After that, he said he was taking it to the track the following weekend and then he'd have some proof to back up his claims. Unfortunately, we never heard back from him so I'm guessing he realized he was wrong. I told him that as long as HE was happy with it, that's all that mattered but we still haven't heard back from him.
Anyway, good to see you here. Check-out DeanStud's posts, he does some great Photo Shop work too.

Kevin


Kev! Talkin' trash when I'm not around??? Tsk tsk! ;) :shhh:

bouncer:

Kev! Talkin' trash when I'm not around??? Tsk tsk! ;) :shhh:

bouncer:

Looks like ya caught me. Did I get something wrong? ;)

Looks like ya caught me. Did I get something wrong? ;)

Um... not really, no. :)

Nice Fleetwood Bill > it looks almost like Dan's I had to look at it close to tell the difference Real Nice Ride > I especially like how you ran the Tail pipes Straight out the back > they look much better than Kevins! :spin:

Fleetwood Owners Secret Society = FOSS!!!
Otherwise known as the LAND YACHT CLUB...LOL,LOL!

Otherwise known as the LAND YACHT CLUB...LOL,LOL!


Always did want to join the Yacht club :D

Well They are Big on the outside > but when you drive one they don't feel as Big as they look. The first one i saw drive by me in a parking lot gave me the same impression, i said what kind of Cadillac is that! It looks like a Boat! The cars are about Much more than looks, Kind of like Fat girls > it's whats inside that really matters. :spin:

Otherwise known as the LAND YACHT CLUB...LOL,LOL!

Hey what are you doing here?! We don't allow any BOW TRAWLERS in our club! :nyanya:

Nice Fleetwood Bill > it looks almost like Dan's I had to look at it close to tell the difference Real Nice Ride > I especially like how you ran the Tail pipes Straight out the back > they look much better than Kevins! :spin:

Thanks! I think it looks better than Kevin's also... And it's faster, too. ;)

:D :nyanya:

Thanks! I think it looks better than Kevin's also... And it's faster, too. ;)

:D :nyanya:

And it only took you HOW LONG, and had to sink HOW MUCH into it to FINALLY be able to say that? ;)
Hell, you better hope I don't go back to the track to get better times, it'll mean God knows how much more time and money from you to catch up again ;) :nyanya:

Ya know I didn't even notice that comment from Mike about my tailpipes before. :crying2:
That's what I get for trying to make a custom job look FACTORY. :rolleyes:

And it only took you HOW LONG, and had to sink HOW MUCH into it to FINALLY be able to say that? ;)
Hell, you better hope I don't go back to the track to get better times, it'll mean God knows how much more time and money from you to catch up again ;) :nyanya:





It still comes down to one thing....look at the timeslips :D

It still comes down to one thing....look at the timeslips :D

Well once he actually posts one........... ;)
I'm not worried anyway, I've got a good half second I can still pull out anytime I want. I ran mine in full street trim with no "just for the run" things done to it. That way I knew that my times were kind of a "worst case scenario". I ran it with a full tank of regular pump gas, all original "tune-up parts" except plugs that were a good 6 months old, no out of the ordinary vehicle prep stuff, and NOTHING removed from the car for weight savings.

Well once he actually posts one........... ;)
I'm not worried anyway, I've got a good half second I can still pull out anytime I want. I ran mine in full street trim with no "just for the run" things done to it. That way I knew that my times were kind of a "worst case scenario". I ran it with a full tank of regular pump gas, all original "tune-up parts" except plugs that were a good 6 months old, no out of the ordinary vehicle prep stuff, and NOTHING removed from the car for weight savings.

That's the way I run mine too. :) No point in claiming what you can't run in street trim... That's with a full tank and my fat azz in it. 35lbs of air in all four tires... Belt on... Blah Blah Blah... I can make excuses too. ;)

But yeah, it did cost me a hell of a lot more to get there!!!! And I'm still fighting a running rich problem, which I'm sure I can get a nother tenth or two from after getting it leaned out... And a traction problem at the strip, but next time I'll try warming up the tires a bit. :)

Just for comparison's sake, what was the weather like the day you ran your 14.5? And what was your MPH.

Time slips, you want a time slip???

The night I ran was cool and damp. The temp was good but the humidity was bad.
Tell me, if you ran that back in the middle of May, why'd you wait so long to post it?
And after seeing your slip, I've gotta look at mine because unless I'm nuts, your slip points to your car building a shit-load more power than your mods should produce. You sure you're comin' clean on this?

I just checked my slips. Dude, I'm having a hard time with this one. You're less than a tenth quicker than me but like 7mph faster. I'm no pro at this but that tells me that you're pushing a HELLUVA lot more power than me. Your admitted mods don't back that up. Did you have a bottle on that run? :tisk:

Tell me, if you ran that back in the middle of May, why'd you wait so long to post it?
And after seeing your slip, I've gotta look at mine because unless I'm nuts, your slip points to your car building a shit-load more power than your mods should produce. You sure you're comin' clean on this?

I just checked my slips. Dude, I'm having a hard time with this one. You're less than a tenth quicker than me but like 7mph faster. I'm no pro at this but that tells me that you're pushing a HELLUVA lot more power than me. Your admitted mods don't back that up. Did you have a bottle on that run?Hey Katshot, if it will help you out, I can circle around you guys in my Syclone during your runs and watch for any funny business.:histeric:

Hey Katshot, if it will help you out, I can circle around you guys in my Syclone during your runs and watch for any funny business.:histeric:

If you think you can keep it running long enough. :nyanya:

If you think you can keep it running long enough. Oh, she runs...

The night I ran was cool and damp. The temp was good but the humidity was bad.
Tell me, if you ran that back in the middle of May, why'd you wait so long to post it?
And after seeing your slip, I've gotta look at mine because unless I'm nuts, your slip points to your car building a shit-load more power than your mods should produce. You sure you're comin' clean on this?

I just checked my slips. Dude, I'm having a hard time with this one. You're less than a tenth quicker than me but like 7mph faster. I'm no pro at this but that tells me that you're pushing a HELLUVA lot more power than me. Your admitted mods don't back that up. Did you have a bottle on that run? :tisk:

Kevin, it's called severe lack of traction. :)

And how can a new cam, and roller rockers,and headers,and gears and posi, and a more efficient tranny be not enough for that slip??? Not sure what you're saying. I was actually predicting low 14's, high 13's in good weather with that set up.

Oh, and it took so long to post because 1, I had not been here because I was tired of the bickering, and 2, no one had asked for a slip. I didn't have any scan or pics of one, so when you asked for it, I took a pic and posted it.

I have nothing to hide.

And no, no nitrous. I wouldn't run that. Too mush risk for disaster. I know it is pretty much worry free when done right, but I don't want to risk it. Plus, sprayin' with a manual is a little scary to me.

The night I ran was cool and damp. The temp was good but the humidity was bad.
Tell me, if you ran that back in the middle of May, why'd you wait so long to post it?
And after seeing your slip, I've gotta look at mine because unless I'm nuts, your slip points to your car building a shit-load more power than your mods should produce. You sure you're comin' clean on this?

I just checked my slips. Dude, I'm having a hard time with this one. You're less than a tenth quicker than me but like 7mph faster. I'm no pro at this but that tells me that you're pushing a HELLUVA lot more power than me. Your admitted mods don't back that up. Did you have a bottle on that run? :tisk:

Maybe his 'ill advised' manual transmission swap is better at using the power curve of his engine.

Nahh, that couldn't be it. :halo:

:worship: Looks like there's a new Boss in town. :worship:

Sorry Bill, the mods since your last run, the weather difference, the numbers on the slip all seem odd that's all. Like I said before, the 60' time is .4 off mine but you still managed to beat my time by a tenth. That's roughly a half second you made up AND picking up SEVERAL MPH tells me that you're pushing A LOT more power than I am. The problem is that your mods just don't add THAT much power. I'm guessing you'd need at least 50-75HP to make that kind of difference and your mods wouldn't give you that.
Hey, if you say that's all you did to the car and those times are yours, so be it. My only suggestion would be to try some drag tires and you'll easily be in the 13's as long as you can launch it right.

Sorry Bill, the mods since your last run, the weather difference, the numbers on the slip all seem odd that's all. Like I said before, the 60' time is .4 off mine but you still managed to beat my time by a tenth. That's roughly a half second you made up AND picking up SEVERAL MPH tells me that you're pushing A LOT more power than I am. The problem is that your mods just don't add THAT much power. I'm guessing you'd need at least 50-75HP to make that kind of difference and your mods wouldn't give you that.
Hey, if you say that's all you did to the car and those times are yours, so be it. My only suggestion would be to try some drag tires and you'll easily be in the 13's as long as you can launch it right.

Well, I've laid out everything I've got done to the car. And what I haven't mentioned directly here, is listed on my website, link is in my sig (it's not been updated in a while, but it's fairly current). Like I said, I've got nothing to hide. And there were plenty of witnesses there that night if you are doubting my creditability. Why would I want to be dishonest about such things? It really doesn't make sense. Especially because a lot of people I talk to on the net, I also know in "real life." So I'd be found out if I was being dishonest... And besides, I don't have to impress anyone. I'm just out having fun and sharing my experiences. Take them for what they're worth.

I plan to run it at Lebanon Valley Dragway in NY this Saturday at an Impala Club event. ( www.dragway.com ) Feel free to show up if you like. I'm driving 3 hours to get there too... :) Otherwise, maybe I'll see you at E-town in October? I run ya heads up. ;) I'll post my slips afterwards, if you like. It'll be hot and humid, and I'm not expecting any better than high 14's, but you can see them if you want... ;)

Can't you just, for once, look at the facts, and just agree with them? :confused: And maybe even allow yourself to be a little impressed if your reasoning doesn't point to what's actually going on? You know, you don't have to find the negative in everything... ;) :nyanya:

See you in the staging lanes. :)

Like I said before, the 60' time is .4 off mine but you still managed to beat my time by a tenth. That's roughly a half second you made up AND picking up SEVERAL MPH tells me that you're pushing A LOT more power than I am. The problem is that your mods just don't add THAT much power.

If I wasn't so sure that I was wrong after the last discussion on this topic, then I'd still say that it looks like the manual transmission uses it's power curve more efficiently than a properly tuned automatic. After a successul launch, thats all the auto has to offer. The manual can then be shifted faster and more efficiently to make up the poor launch.

Nahh, that couldn't be it. He must be lying instead. :halo:

I plan to run it at Lebanon Valley Dragway in NY this Saturday at an Impala Club event. ( www.dragway.com ) Feel free to show up if you like. I'm driving 3 hours to get there too... :) Otherwise, maybe I'll see you at E-town in October? I run ya heads up. ;) I'll post my slips afterwards, if you like. It'll be hot and humid, and I'm not expecting any better than high 14's, but you can see them if you want... ;)

See you in the staging lanes. :)

Ladies and Gentleman, Boys and Girls, the challenge has been made!! But will it be accepted?

Stay tuned to this station for more information as this exciting news breaks.

HRS... You crack me up! :D

So what's new with you and you're car? (Besides those rims They look Awesome!!! :worship: ) Haven't seen you around on the SS forum at all... Run it yet?

E-Town in October? Barring any unforseen problems, yeah I don't see why not.
Just remember, last time we were SUPPOSED to meet at E-Town, I showed and YOU DIDN'T.:nyanya:
Just as well, I had a bad day (my best was a 14.7)
As for just "accepting" your times regardless of what my experience tells me, I guess you didn't read my WHOLE POST. Look at the last paragraph, I believe I stated that I accept it and even mentioned that with better tires and/or a better launch from you, you'd be in the 13's!
What more do you want from me?
BTW, I just happened to think that we're not even direct competitors anymore. With your mods, you're no longer in the "Bolt-on" catagory. So I'm STILL the fastest "Bolt-on" Cadillac out there! :nyanya:

As for just "accepting" your times regardless of what my experience tells me, I guess you didn't read my WHOLE POST. Look at the last paragraph, I believe I stated that I accept it and even mentioned that with better tires and/or a better launch from you, you'd be in the 13's!
What more do you want from me?
BTW, I just happened to think that we're not even direct competitors anymore. With your mods, you're no longer in the "Bolt-on" catagory. So I'm STILL the fastest "Bolt-on" Cadillac out there! :nyanya:


Yeah, I saw that... Kinda threw me off a bit... :)

I still want to post all my numbers in full street trim though. I want to be able to run on the street what I run at the track. :)

Well, I'm the fastest T56 caddy that I know of then... Let make that the Fastest Medium Marblehead Metallic T56 Caddy! :D :banana:

Yeah, I saw that... Kinda threw me off a bit... :)

I still want to post all my numbers in full street trim though. I want to be able to run on the street what I run at the track. :)

Well, I'm the fastest T56 caddy that I know of then... Let make that the Fastest Medium Marblehead Metallic T56 Caddy! :D :banana:

Now THAT's a niche if ever I saw one ;)
I'm telling you Bill, If you're numbers are as I read them, you SHOULD be in the 13's fairly easy.
But Steve still has BOTH of us beat with his "Bolt-on" SS. The guy's incredible. :worship:

Now THAT's a niche if ever I saw one ;)
I'm telling you Bill, If you're numbers are as I read them, you SHOULD be in the 13's fairly easy.
But Steve still has BOTH of us beat with his "Bolt-on" SS. The guy's incredible. :worship:


Steve who? Do I know him from the SS forum?

Hell toomanytoyz has nothing but bolt-ons on his car....he bolted the tranny on :D

Steve who? Do I know him from the SS forum?

Steve from NJ. I can't remember his last name. As I recall he's in the military, or was just going in. Navy or Air Force as I recall. He's the one guy that I always agreed with. He's always preaching (and rightfully so) that it's not so much WHAT you put in the car but HOW YOU SET IT UP and DRIVE IT. And he has the ET's to back up his claims. I FIRMLY believe the same and I think MY ET's back me up too. He's running a few more mods than me, and he does MANY testing runs at the track and posts his test results online. Last year he tested all the major ram-air and cold-air intake products and posted all the results online. He had Brian Herter do his PCM (several times), runs headers, gears, sticky tires, and has some rear suspension mods done to limit squat at the line. Probably some other things that I didn't mention (he's always doing some little rig to the car to see if it gets him any time).
I was really never THAT into racing my car and getting the ULTIMATE ET's from it. I'm more the curious guy that just wanted to see what he could get from his car with a minimum of prep work. Hell, that's why I didn't even give it a tune-up.

Steve from NJ. I can't remember his last name. As I recall he's in the military, or was just going in. Navy or Air Force as I recall. He's the one guy that I always agreed with. He's always preaching (and rightfully so) that it's not so much WHAT you put in the car but HOW YOU SET IT UP and DRIVE IT. And he has the ET's to back up his claims. I FIRMLY believe the same and I think MY ET's back me up too. He's running a few more mods than me, and he does MANY testing runs at the track and posts his test results online. Last year he tested all the major ram-air and cold-air intake products and posted all the results online. He had Brian Herter do his PCM (several times), runs headers, gears, sticky tires, and has some rear suspension mods done to limit squat at the line. Probably some other things that I didn't mention (he's always doing some little rig to the car to see if it gets him any time).
I was really never THAT into racing my car and getting the ULTIMATE ET's from it. I'm more the curious guy that just wanted to see what he could get from his car with a minimum of prep work. Hell, that's why I didn't even give it a tune-up.

Oh yeah... Him. NJ96DCM.... I forget his last name, but I did meet him a few times. I think he moved to Arkansas or something. He had a damn quick car. Musta been built on a Wednesday afternoon. ;)

Remeber though, the B-Bodies have a 6-800 pound weight advantage on us! That's .6 to .8 seconds in the quarter! MY car weighs in at 4860 lbs with a 1/2 tank at the track last time. Most B's weigh in the 4000 to 4300 lb range...

So how can a converter be considered a bolt on, but a clutch isn't???? They both technically "bolt on" in the same place... ;)

Oh yeah... Him. NJ96DCM.... I forget his last name, but I did meet him a few times. I think he moved to Arkansas or something. He had a damn quick car. Musta been built on a Wednesday afternoon. ;)

Remeber though, the B-Bodies have a 6-800 pound weight advantage on us! That's .6 to .8 seconds in the quarter! MY car weighs in at 4860 lbs with a 1/2 tank at the track last time. Most B's weigh in the 4000 to 4300 lb range...

So how can a converter be considered a bolt on, but a clutch isn't???? They both technically "bolt on" in the same place... ;)

As far as I know (and I'm certainly no expert on this), the "bolt-on" stuff refers to engine only. In your case, you changed the drivetrain type, but I'm not sure. You're kinda in a weird area by yourself I guess. :rolleyes:
You're out of the "bolt-on" catagory anyway because of the rockers and cam though, so the trans issue is kinda a mute point I guess.

You're out of the "bolt-on" catagory anyway because of the rockers and cam though, so the trans issue is kinda a mute point I guess.


Yeah, I know... Although, rockers are a bolt on... Cam is not. At least as far as Karl's page is concetrned...

Yeah, it's wierd that way. I don't think there's any hard/fast rules on this stuff.
BTW, Just in case you hadn't noticed, I think we've hijacked this thread. :rolleyes:

HRS... You crack me up! :D

So what's new with you and you're car? (Besides those rims They look Awesome!!! :worship: ) Haven't seen you around on the SS forum at all... Run it yet?

I check the SS Forum daily, but there is usually nothing going on there. This board is much more fun! Especially with Kevin around! :banana:

So far I've been concentrating on the suspension upgrades and the wheels and tires. I'm planning on upgrading the front suspension arms (might wait for tubular desing to be introduced for the SS) and I want to install an SS steering box. Oh, and a posi rear-end.

But the next thing will be to put a 750w Sound Design amp to good use.

Once it's handling right and the sounds are crisp, clear and LOUD. Then I'll see what to do in the engine compartment.

I was thinking about a T56 swap but someone told me it would make my car slower. :nyanya:

BTW, Just in case you hadn't noticed, I think we've hijacked this thread. :rolleyes:

That would be car-jacked.

I don't know the name, but it is like Nory's friend from SS forum. They are puting a stroker in a fleetwood, so I imagine they will end up being the fast fleetwood around.


I got my speed limiter removed, my fan temps lowered and the speedo corrected for the 255/50 17s on Sunday.

I was too sleepy to try a top end run, but I went up to 111 just to verify I could beat the previous 108. I may have gone faster but I wasn't looking at the speedo at the time. My bro was saying he was doingf 120 in his modded SS. he was walking me so easy :( But hey I was wasting on the V6 Jetta that was messing with us.

Yeah, it's wierd that way. I don't think there's any hard/fast rules on this stuff.
BTW, Just in case you hadn't noticed, I think we've hijacked this thread. :rolleyes:


Yeah, I was kinda thinking that... It seemed to have fizzled out anyways. ;)

My goal isn't to have the fastest Fleetwood on the planet Dean, just to be faster than Kevin. :)

Seriously though, I'm just building it to suit my taste and be fun to drive. It's just about done. :)

I check the SS Forum daily, but there is usually nothing going on there. This board is much more fun! Especially with Kevin around! :banana:

So far I've been concentrating on the suspension upgrades and the wheels and tires. I'm planning on upgrading the front suspension arms (might wait for tubular desing to be introduced for the SS) and I want to install an SS steering box. Oh, and a posi rear-end.

But the next thing will be to put a 750w Sound Design amp to good use.

Once it's handling right and the sounds are crisp, clear and LOUD. Then I'll see what to do in the engine compartment.

I was thinking about a T56 swap but someone told me it would make my car slower. :nyanya:

Wise ass!
Go ahead, do the trans swap and nothing else and see if the car isn't SLOWER. :rolleyes:

Yeah, I was kinda thinking that... It seemed to have fizzled out anyways. ;)

My goal isn't to have the fastest Fleetwood on the planet Dean, just to be faster than Kevin. :)

Seriously though, I'm just building it to suit my taste and be fun to drive. It's just about done. :)

I think your second line is the truth. ;)
And as for your LAST line, that'll depend on whether I stomp you in Oct. or not. :burn:

I think your second line is the truth. ;)
And as for your LAST line, that'll depend on whether I stomp you in Oct. or not. :burn:

oooh... dem's fightin' words! :)

Heh heh. :)

Did you seriously hook up nitrous in your car since I last talked to you?

Wise ass!
Go ahead, do the trans swap and nothing else and see if the car isn't SLOWER. :rolleyes:

I know, I know...I'M STILL WRONG. So if I'm always going to be wrong, then why would I choose to spend my money to prove you right? Besides Bill settled it with the post of his time slip. :nyanya:

I just wanted to see if KC was right! :banana:

You know he won't tell you that.

I know, I know...I'M STILL WRONG. So if I'm always going to be wrong, then why would I choose to spend my money to prove you right? Besides Bill settled it with the post of his time slip. :nyanya:

I just wanted to see if KC was right! :banana:

Obviously, you're NOT keeping up with current events here dude. First of all, try to pay attention and notice how many OTHER mods Bill's done, and secondly, if you read his post earlier, he even admitted that my original statements were correct.
All things being equal, generally speaking, if you take a car that has an automatic (and the engine was setup for the auto), and just drop a manual trans in it, the car will be slower in the 1/4.
Taken one step further, to be more SPECIFIC for you, if you take a stock Fleetwood and do the T56 swap with NO OTHER MODIFICATIONS, the car will post a SLOWER 1/4.
Bill did a lot of work to his car to reach a rather specific personal goal with it. In the end whether the car is better, faster, or whatever, is TOTALLY up to one person, BILL. He's the ONLY one that matters in this case. It's HIS car, and hopefully it fits HIS taste better now and is more satisfying to drive. Just because I personally wouldn't do the same mods to that car certainly does not diminish his efforts in anyway.
That's the beauty of American hot-rodding, every person has their OWN interpretation of what their ideal car is. Sure, everybody's going to have an opinion about someone's vision and execution but that's just part of the scene. You must not spend much time at car shows I guess or you'd know that customizers and hot-rodders are some of the toughest critics.

You must not spend much time at car shows I guess or you'd know that customizers and hot-rodders are some of the toughest critics.

How about this. I'll meet you at the SEMA show in November.

You are going, right?

Oh Lord :helpless: Here we go again on the tranny shit.

I seriously doubt the 6-speed is going to give you any better ET's. Matter of fact, unless you put some slicks on it, you may have a problem getting a decent 60'. Unfortunately, these cars are rather limited as far as rear tire room so I'm sure you'll have no problem breaking traction with the manual trans. That's the main reason I never changed my torque converter, I'm already able to break the tires loose at the line so there's no reason to give me more power to launch with unless I can increase my car's ability to handle it.
Then I'm thinking that with the engines broad powerband, all the shifting isn't needed to help keep it on the pipe since the pipe's so wide. Usually a 6-speed is behind a more "peakie" motor and is there to help keep it in it's powerband.
I'll be very interested to see how it plays out.

So his engine mod's made his engine more 'peakie'? Wouldn't that have a greater effect on his 60' time than it did?

I know, I know..I should go to more car shows and look at more cars and then I will understand.

:shocked2: Um... Never thought I'd say this, but I actually agree with Kevin. :) Please, let's not start this again... :helpless:

But I must admit, I do have a MUCH harder time launching at the strip now. Which kills my 60' time. But, it's because I'm putting more power to the ground now, so you can draw your own conclusions. :) Yeah, so now I need to upgrade my rear suspension (where'dya think I was going with that?? ;) ). I have air bags to install (probably tonight) and nice BMR lower control arms... A line lock to help warm the tires'd be nice too, but I don't have that yet... :D

Obviously, you're NOT keeping up with current events here dude. First of all, try to pay attention and notice how many OTHER mods Bill's done, and secondly, if you read his post earlier, he even admitted that my original statements were correct.
All things being equal, generally speaking, if you take a car that has an automatic (and the engine was setup for the auto), and just drop a manual trans in it, the car will be slower in the 1/4.
Taken one step further, to be more SPECIFIC for you, if you take a stock Fleetwood and do the T56 swap with NO OTHER MODIFICATIONS, the car will post a SLOWER 1/4.
Bill did a lot of work to his car to reach a rather specific personal goal with it. In the end whether the car is better, faster, or whatever, is TOTALLY up to one person, BILL. He's the ONLY one that matters in this case. It's HIS car, and hopefully it fits HIS taste better now and is more satisfying to drive. Just because I personally wouldn't do the same mods to that car certainly does not diminish his efforts in anyway.
That's the beauty of American hot-rodding, every person has their OWN interpretation of what their ideal car is. Sure, everybody's going to have an opinion about someone's vision and execution but that's just part of the scene. You must not spend much time at car shows I guess or you'd know that customizers and hot-rodders are some of the toughest critics.

Bill did a lot of work to his car to reach a rather specific personal goal with it. In the end whether the car is better, faster, or whatever, is TOTALLY up to one person, BILL. He's the ONLY one that matters in this case. It's HIS car, and hopefully it fits HIS taste better now and is more satisfying to drive. Just because I personally wouldn't do the same mods to that car certainly does not diminish his efforts in anyway.
That's the beauty of American hot-rodding, every person has their OWN interpretation of what their ideal car is. Sure, everybody's going to have an opinion about someone's vision and execution but that's just part of the scene.

I will agree to agree with this.

Bill did a lot of work to his car to reach a rather specific personal goal with it. In the end whether the car is better, faster, or whatever, is TOTALLY up to one person, BILL. He's the ONLY one that matters in this case. It's HIS car, and hopefully it fits HIS taste better now and is more satisfying to drive. Just because I personally wouldn't do the same mods to that car certainly does not diminish his efforts in anyway.
That's the beauty of American hot-rodding, every person has their OWN interpretation of what their ideal car is. Sure, everybody's going to have an opinion about someone's vision and execution but that's just part of the scene. You must not spend much time at car shows I guess or you'd know that customizers and hot-rodders are some of the toughest critics.

Kind of like My opinion about Straight-Out tail pipes as opposed to Turn downs :spin: > "One Change Leads To Another in the world of DragRacing"

Kind of like My opinion about Straight-Out tail pipes as opposed to Turn downs :spin: > "One Change Leads To Another in the world of DragRacing"

I think you can apply some common sense to many of the details in a vehicle based on industry standards but in the end it's really very subjective. I wish I had a buck for everytime I've seen a car at a show or on the road that I loved 99% but there's like 1 or maybe 2 things that I would have to change if it were mine. Hell, it's no different on stock vehicles either. I've owned many vehicles that were ALMOST perfect (in my eyes). I guess that's why I've never owned a vehicle that I left 100% stock. Even lease cars. :rolleyes:

I think you can apply some common sense to many of the details in a vehicle based on industry standards but in the end it's really very subjective. I wish I had a buck for everytime I've seen a car at a show or on the road that I loved 99% but there's like 1 or maybe 2 things that I would have to change if it were mine. Hell, it's no different on stock vehicles either. I've owned many vehicles that were ALMOST perfect (in my eyes). I guess that's why I've never owned a vehicle that I left 100% stock. Even lease cars. :rolleyes:

Thank God, and some hard working SEMA members, for the aftermarket.

I couldn't survive without choices.

I guess that's why I've never owned a vehicle that I left 100% stock. Even lease cars. :rolleyes:Is that cost effective? :banghead2

Thank God, and some hard working SEMA members, for the aftermarket.

I couldn't survive without choices.

Yeah I HAVE to personalize my car in some way. Even if it's just something small. It's gotta be different.

Yeah I HAVE to personalize my car in some way. Even if it's just something small. It's gotta be different.I have a similar problem - when I lease a car I always *think* I want to keep it forever, and so I also "do things" to it...but a year or so down the road, something better is out, and the car I was gonna keep forever - becomes disposable.

Is that cost effective? :banghead2

Definately not if you do something big that will have to stay with the car. But I DID install a custom rear spoiler on my '99 300M. It was like $300 including the paint but I felt it made a big difference in the look of the car so what the hell.
I've actually only leased 2 vehicles so I haven't pissed too much money away. ;)

I have a similar problem - when I lease a car I always *think* I want to keep it forever, and so I also "do things" to it...but a year or so down the road, something better is out, and the car I was gonna keep forever - becomes disposable.

That's EXACTLY why I leased my kids first cars. I figured they would probably mess them up and they would probably get bored with them in a couple years. Their second car's up to them.

This is just my opinion, but I don't see any New cars on the road today that really appeal to me, And when i am out driving i alway's see ALOT of the same cars > Like a bunch of Clones! I guess thats one of the reasons i fell in love with the Big Fleetwoods > Not everyone has one! Not to mention their Reliability and how Well they were built. These new cars are all so small too, not much room in their Trunks either. Sure they all seem to be Nice when they are New, but after they get some miles on them and a few years go by they all seem to be haunted with the same problems. Now it's almost 2004 so whats next? How much $$$ are you willing to pay for a new car? Some of these new cars cost more than a house! Yet don't increase in value as a house would through the years. Theres an old saying in the car business that still holds true "There's an A$$ for Every Seat" It's guy's like Katshot that opened my eyes and helped me to "See The Light" when it comes to Cadillac cars! I just wish i knew then what i know now. :spin:

Please don't try this at Home! :spin: :spin:

Please don't try this at Home! :spin: :spin:


hey... That's Me! :)

Yeah, don't try it at home, do it in front of your neighbor's house. They'll love it. ;)

Uh-oh.

I think I'm in LOVE again...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2426900092&category=6149

Uh-oh.

I think I'm in LOVE again...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2426900092&category=6149

Wow... That's a pretty car.... :) I like it!

(I'll sell you mine for that though) ;)

Uh oh... Here comes Kevin.... :canttalk:

Wow...that's a pretty car...Yes, it is, except for that Cabriolet roof. :rolleyes:

I'll sell you mine for that though...Some people want cars that add mileage more than 1/4 mile at a time! :D

Wow... That's a pretty car.... :) I like it!

(I'll sell you mine for that though) ;)

Uh oh... Here comes Kevin.... :canttalk:

Wise guy! ;)
It is nice but I'm with Sandman, lose the roof. :vomit:

The only way I like the vinyl roofs is when they arent the fake convertible look alike..... They have to be the same color as the car, and not noticeable......

Here are a few Rebuild tips for the LT1
http://www.automotiverebuilder.com/ar/ar99928.htm

If you gotta ask, you'll never get it anyway. FOSS is SPECIFICALLY for those people that understand what a TRUE Cadillac is. In my mind, all these modern FWD Cadillacs (Sevilles, Eldorados, Devilles) are just one step up from a Cimerron.

I couldn't agree More with you Kevin > I have been on the Hunt for a nice Fleetwood, but when i look at the Devilles, they look nice from the outside but then when i lift up the hood and look at that FWD POS Sitting under there with a sideway's Cadillac All Aluminum Northstar, i get sick to my stomach :vomit: Lets face it > A Rear Wheel Drive Cadillac is the only way to go, with a Cast Iron engine block And Heads you can't go wrong for Dependability.
As far as FOSS is concerned I am looking forward to becomming a member as soon as i buy my Fleetwood. Did you see the post where Elvis mentioned he would settle for a FWD Deville if he couldn't find a "plentifull" Fleetwood? Yet he drives a Honda :rolleyes: Thats about a bad as driving an Infinity and being a Cadillac Moderator :spin:

I couldn't agree More with you Kevin > I have been on the Hunt for a nice Fleetwood, but when i look at the Devilles, they look nice from the outside but then when i lift up the hood and look at that FWD POS Sitting under there with a sideway's Cadillac All Aluminum Northstar, i get sick to my stomach :vomit: Lets face it > A Rear Wheel Drive Cadillac is the only way to go, with a Cast Iron engine block And Heads you can't go wrong for Dependability.
As far as FOSS is concerned I am looking forward to becomming a member as soon as i buy my Fleetwood. Did you see the post where Elvis mentioned he would settle for a FWD Deville if he couldn't find a "plentifull" Fleetwood? Yet he drives a Honda :rolleyes: Thats about a bad as driving an Infinity and being a Cadillac Moderator :spin:

:histeric: :histeric:

Did you see the post where Elvis mentioned he would settle for a FWD Deville if he couldn't find a "plentifull" Fleetwood? Yet he drives a Honda :rolleyes: Thats about a bad as driving an Infinity and being a Cadillac Moderator :spin:

I think it's safe to say that 90% of the adult planet Earth would be happy to 'settle' for a FWD Cadillac...

I think it's safe to say that 90% of the adult planet Earth would be happy to 'settle' for a FWD Cadillac...*Or* an Infiniti Q45 for that matter.

:histeric:

Very funny!!!

I love my Q, and I wont trade it for a FWD caddy in the near future!!!

And if your going to say it, at least spell infinitI correctly......

lol I wondered how long it would be before Wes came in here.

No thread gets by me :sneaky: !!!!!!!!!

Strange how this is a "locked" thread. Could it be that only Mods can still post in here?

I guess so!!!