: Auto or Manual?



GPat599
07-15-09, 07:30 PM
I am in the process of buying a 2009 CTS-V for my daily driver. I am torn between the auto and the manual. I have test driven both and they are both amazing. I live in Austin, and traffic is horrible so my gut is telling me go auto, but I feel like the car would be a lot more fun with a stick.

Please let me know your thoughts and experiences.

Thank.

neuronbob
07-15-09, 07:41 PM
If your gut is telling you to go "auto" and traffic is that bad in Austin, you should probably get the auto.

Besides, the auto is pretty darn fun even if you don't get to row your own. :)

Gary Wells
07-15-09, 07:54 PM
Not to be rude, crude, & socially unacceptable, but gut instincts rarely lie, emotional feelings generally do. I went auto, and I don't even live in Austin. There again, I live in So Kali, and my current daily driver is a '02 ZO6, 6 speed stick, and we not only go bumper to bumper, we do it double stacked sometimes. Either way, you're getting a killer car to go along with the tranny, regardless of which you choose.

jwa999
07-15-09, 08:10 PM
To avoid duplication of this age old question: Here are a few discussions about the differences
http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/cadillac-cts-v-series-forum-2009/167228-who-cares-about-manual-c-d.html
http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/cadillac-cts-v-series-forum-2009/161227-automatic-manual-transmission.html
http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/cadillac-cts-v-series-forum-2009/168059-manual-2009-v-owners.html
http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/cadillac-cts-v-series-forum-2009/170011-any-major-differences-between-auto-manual.html
http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/cadillac-cts-v-series-forum-2009/158773-i-need-reviews-those-who-bought.html
http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/cadillac-cts-v-series-forum-2009/166456-remote-start-w-manual-transmission-anyone.html
http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/cadillac-cts-v-series-forum-2009/157822-how-manual-mode-auto.html
http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/cadillac-cts-v-series-forum-2009/162009-possible-disable-skip-shift-manual-transmission.html

Oh, and my auto tranny broke after 6K. Didn't take too long to get a new one under warranty, but I'm less trusting of the quality.
Ofcouse it doesn't help that the same manual tranny from the cts-v in the camaro brakes.

mik2718
07-15-09, 08:43 PM
Those of us who bought autos will probably recommend an auto. Those of us who bought manuals will probably ... well, you get the idea.

Me, I say go with the auto. Austin traffic is just awful.

Hawkeye2
07-15-09, 08:56 PM
Boy O Boy - the eternal debate continues. Personal choice, no right or wrong answer. However, for me, 3 pedals all the way! I don't
give a rats ass about traffic there is so much torque you can almost drive it like an auto if you want!

Silver -V-
07-15-09, 09:09 PM
I love my stick, but I work from my home or drive only to an airport to catch a flight. I have no traffic. If I had to drive in traffic everyday, I would have ordered an Auto.

Krug Ford
07-15-09, 09:13 PM
I have them both in stock and if you buy form me you will get employee pricing if you own a non gm vehicle.

chukk
07-15-09, 09:31 PM
I was on the fence, my reason for going with the auto was a bum knee, plus the remote start option for the auto. Its too damn hot and humid in NC so I just love that feature such that the AC gets a chance to start things cooling on the way out from the grocery store or whatever. I'm sure the folks freezing their asses off in northern Minnesota would also appreciate this feature for heat in the winter.

Prof
07-15-09, 09:39 PM
Ditto on the auto for a daily driver.

neuronbob
07-15-09, 10:08 PM
Yeah, if this was my weekend garage queen, I'd have bought a manual.

GPat599
07-16-09, 01:43 AM
Thanks for the input guys, I think I'm going to go with the Auto.

Has anyone out there looked into fabricating some sort of paddles for the steering wheels? When I test drove the auto yesterday those buttons seemed so awkward and useless. I have a 430 Scud so maybe I'm paddle spoiled, but it seems like paddles would make the car so much more enjoyable.

Thanks again for the input.

GPat599
07-16-09, 01:47 AM
I have them both in stock and if you buy form me you will get employee pricing if you own a non gm vehicle.

What is your bottom dollar on a hard loaded CTS-V (auto)?

AZstar
07-16-09, 08:48 AM
What is your bottom dollar on a hard loaded CTS-V (auto)?


You can look up the employee price at this website, https://www.gmfamilyfirst.com/ip-gmemployee/. Just click on "Price Your Vehicle," in the middle of the page and select the options you want.

Gotham CTS-V
07-16-09, 10:35 AM
Thanks for the input guys, I think I'm going to go with the Auto.

Has anyone out there looked into fabricating some sort of paddles for the steering wheels? When I test drove the auto yesterday those buttons seemed so awkward and useless. I have a 430 Scud so maybe I'm paddle spoiled, but it seems like paddles would make the car so much more enjoyable.

Thanks again for the input.

I'm sure there will be an aftermarket paddle mod. The AMG guys complained about this and a few of their forum venders produced some nice paddles similiar to the M5's. Hopefully a vender on this forum is watching this :).

neuronbob
07-16-09, 01:19 PM
Thanks for the input guys, I think I'm going to go with the Auto.

Has anyone out there looked into fabricating some sort of paddles for the steering wheels? When I test drove the auto yesterday those buttons seemed so awkward and useless. I have a 430 Scud so maybe I'm paddle spoiled, but it seems like paddles would make the car so much more enjoyable.

Thanks again for the input.

Just use the automatic transmission's Sport mode and you won't ever have to worry about the paddles. It's fantastic. I'm in Sport mode>95% of the time nowadays, with the only disadvantage that the mileage is lower in my mixed driving (15 mpg vs. 13.8 mpg).

Gary Wells
07-16-09, 03:18 PM
Just use the automatic transmission's Sport mode and you won't ever have to worry about the paddles. It's fantastic. I'm in Sport mode>95% of the time nowadays, with the only disadvantage that the mileage is lower in my mixed driving (15 mpg vs. 13.8 mpg).

Ouch:
Is that strictly around town, freeway, or a combination of both? Not really that much of a variation, but it is working it's way down the scale though.

neuronbob
07-16-09, 03:48 PM
This is combination driving (60% city, 40% freeway)....and I fool around A LOT (read as close to full throttle launches, enough to get the boost meter moving a lot) on the on-ramps.

I expect my mileage to improve as the novelty of "OMG TORQUE!" wears off and my engine matures--I've only got just under 4k miles on mine.

Nutz
07-16-09, 04:39 PM
I love my stick, :lol:




I expect my mileage to improve as the novelty of "OMG TORQUE!" wears off and my engine matures--I've only got just under 4k miles on mine.You're saying this fun might wear off?! Shucks, I hope not.:D


Now my .02$ on the auto/manual thing. Simple, I don't drink coffee so I choose to have a manual. Srsly though, right now the only thing that sways me is that I haven't heard of a manual showing failure and I have heard a few problems with the auto. Thank god they don't make a CVT trans as a 3rd choice :gasp:.

KMK454
07-16-09, 06:11 PM
Could you please tell me where you test drove one in Austin, specifically a manual? That's about 45 minutes from me... I can't find any listings for one in the Austin area.

And the answer is to get the auto so that I can get the manual one :)

Gary Wells
07-16-09, 06:14 PM
This is combination driving (60% city, 40% freeway)....and I fool around A LOT (read as close to full throttle launches, enough to get the boost meter moving a lot) on the on-ramps.

I expect my mileage to improve as the novelty of "OMG TORQUE!" wears off and my engine matures--I've only got just under 4k miles on mine.
Thanks, Frank, had me sort of worried there. However, on your calculations for mileage versus engine maturity, mine is probably getting mileage in the hole or something. I've only got 30 miles on mine, but hope to get it out this weekend for a cruise. 30 miles, good Lord, speaking of driveway queens & garage sluts, i'll bet mine takes the cake, for right now.
TIA/R: Gary Wells

GPat599
07-17-09, 02:09 AM
Could you please tell me where you test drove one in Austin, specifically a manual? That's about 45 minutes from me... I can't find any listings for one in the Austin area.

And the answer is to get the auto so that I can get the manual one :)

I test drove at Ken Bachelor in San Antonio has they have 4, ( 2 autos and 2 manuals). However they aren't coming off sticker at all, Dallas is coming off sticker close to 10K. I'm going to head up there this weekend.