http://consumerguideauto.howstuffworks.com/2013-cadillac-xts.htm

As far as we know, however, the E2 platform cannot accommodate a V8 engine

They're kidding right?
The flagship Cadillac can't have a V8?

What kind of flagship is that?!

BMW, Audi, Mercedes, Jaguar all have V8's (or more) in their flagships.
I don't see how a 6, no matter how good, can cut it...

They're kidding right?
The flagship Cadillac can't have a V8?

What kind of flagship is that?!

BMW, Audi, Mercedes, Jaguar all have V8's (or more) in their flagships.
I don't see how a 6, no matter how good, can cut it...


The last time I was quoted numbers for Cadillac only about 10% of the customers of the models that had the V8 option wanted them. If 90% of your customers went with a V6, would you sink the money into developing a new V8 ? Besides the issues with CAFE. A lot of car companies are now going with V6s and if they need more power they are sticking turbos and superchargers on them.

I know where you're coming from and I do agree with the theory, especially with fuel prices and a change in consumer thinking and what is and isn't socially acceptable.

But I think a V8 model is important as it carries the flag for the range, even the marque. Customers will lust after the V8, will come into the showroom to see the rage topper, but will leave having bought something else. The reputation gets built around the top of the line although the bulk of sales will always be lower models.

And again, if the Germans can do it, both in terms of developing new engines seemingly every few years (whereas GM hangs onto their for an age) and in terms of selling their cars regardless of regulations and so on, why shouldn't Cadillac?


I think the right way to go for a Cadillac range topper is a hybrid. The electric motor means less noise and vibration which is ideal for a luxury car, and as these things are sold at a premium it's a more realistic proposition than the bottom end of the market. GM could then trickle down the tech to the mass market vehicles. A high tech hybrid would probably send a better social message as well for those who are concerned with such things.

Doesn't matter whether they offer a V-8 when the car debuts, but it needs at least to be able to accept one if in the future it warrants one. (even in 1967, when they built the Camaro, they made arrangements that it would be able to hold anything in the Chevrolet arsenal; good idea then, good idea now)

This car is turning into a joke... While the apparent lack of a V8 is an issue, the biggest issue is the FWD/AWD platform. I think the Eps-II platform is a great platform and its FWD/AWD layout is perfectly fine.... For Buick. But for the "flagship" model of America's top luxury marque?

Give me a break... Has anyone also noticed that the car's target comparisons have now been revised to the A6, 5-Series, E-Class, etc.? That's just sad that they're not even gunning for a true flagship, but who knows - maybe that's a good thing. Perhaps that actually means there still might be room for a new range-topper at some point which will truly compete with the best the competition has to offer.

But as it stands, it's just ridiculous - out and out ridiculous. I wouldn't even mind as much if it were offered as AWD-only, but to even have FWD as an option in their "flagship" is a pointless step backwards. I realize that GM is currently strapped for cash and needs to utilize existing parts and platforms to cut costs and try to turn a profit... But for Christ's sake - use the goddamn Zeta platform already. They already have it, it's ready to go, and it's a fantastic platform... Stretch it, tune the ride for something more fitting of a high-end luxury car, and at least feign an attempt at making a true 7-Series, S-Class, A8 fighter. If the XTS remains as it appears, then Cadillac should be ashamed of itself if it calls it their flagship model. Frankly, I'd rather them just keep either the DTS or STS and make the appropriate upgrades to it, than make any Epsilon-II model.

They've been making such great progress with Chevy and especially with Buick... Now they go and try to pull something like this - unbelievable. Who on earth green-lighted this car... Was it Wagoners sick idea of revenge? Either way, if someone in Cadillac/GM doesn't wake up and wake up soon, this car will do major damage to the brand and I'd absolutely hate to see that happen.

i thought the new cadillac flagship was now going to be based on the stretches G8 platform sold in other country's?

I don't know if this article is correct or not - but it sounds all wrong to me. First of all, it was originally scheduled to be launched in December of 2011.. So either the article is wrong or Cadillac has already pushed production farther down the road. It's also NOT supposed to be the STS/DTS replacement. Unless THAT has changed. That's the DT7 and it's been delayed for the foreseeable future.

So it'll have 20 or so more horsepower than the LaCrosse.. Wow.. It'll have the same power as the CTS - but it'll be bigger and presumably heavier. Then again, the CTS is also getting bigger.. So maybe this IS to STS/DTS replacement... I don't think anybody at Cadillac knows what they're doing anymore. The CTS - IS - growing larger to be more aligned with the BMW 5-Series. But wait - this new XTS is competing with the Lexus ES350 - then again, so is the Buick LaCrosse...

Is anyone else getting really confused?

And I do agree with those of us who feel a V8 is important - at least as an option. If everyone else can offer a V8 in their full-size luxury sedan, than why can't we? CAFE? They're all dealing with the same thing. Add a CAFE Tax to V8s if you have to. If a customer wants the V8, they'll pay it. But at least give them the option. A good example of a V6 flagship is the Acura RL - and how often do you see one of THOSE on the road?

Good points


I don't know if this article is correct or not - but it sounds all wrong to me. First of all, it was originally scheduled to be launched in December of 2011.. So either the article is wrong or Cadillac has already pushed production farther down the road. It's also NOT supposed to be the STS/DTS replacement. Unless THAT has changed. That's the DT7 and it's been delayed for the foreseeable future.

So it'll have 20 or so more horsepower than the LaCrosse.. Wow.. It'll have the same power as the CTS - but it'll be bigger and presumably heavier. Then again, the CTS is also getting bigger.. So maybe this IS to STS/DTS replacement... I don't think anybody at Cadillac knows what they're doing anymore. The CTS - IS - growing larger to be more aligned with the BMW 5-Series. But wait - this new XTS is competing with the Lexus ES350 - then again, so is the Buick LaCrosse...

Is anyone else getting really confused?

And I do agree with those of us who feel a V8 is important - at least as an option. If everyone else can offer a V8 in their full-size luxury sedan, than why can't we? CAFE? They're all dealing with the same thing. Add a CAFE Tax to V8s if you have to. If a customer wants the V8, they'll pay it. But at least give them the option. A good example of a V6 flagship is the Acura RL - and how often do you see one of THOSE on the road?

And I do agree with those of us who feel a V8 is important - at least as an option. If everyone else can offer a V8 in their full-size luxury sedan, than why can't we? CAFE? They're all dealing with the same thing. Add a CAFE Tax to V8s if you have to. If a customer wants the V8, they'll pay it. But at least give them the option. A good example of a V6 flagship is the Acura RL - and how often do you see one of THOSE on the road?

The trick here though is Cadillac does not have a new V8, only the same old Northstar. They killed the project to redesign a new one siting fuel consumption. So we're left with the N* that produces 320HP or the new DI V6 that currently does just over 300HP. So like most buyers now one is faced with paying a premium for an older design engine that's only producing roughly 15 more HP.

I would not be surprised if they stay with a V6 and like Ford and others add turbos to produce more HP for the bigger vehicles. The 2011 SRX will be the first turbo powered Cadillac (I think it's the first.)

I wouldn't be surprised at all to discover that all these speculative articles are wrong, and that this so called XTS is actually Cadillac's new entry-level car.

The ES350 is larger than the CTS by a hair, FWD and heavy, and it's Lexus' entry level. With the CTS being expensive due to its dedicated Sigma platform, RWD and high end, low production run parts, there's a need for something below it that can fight with the ES and C class in price. Let's not forget that CLOTH SEATS are standard on an ES, so they have a price point that Cadillac can't touch.

The new SRX looks to be the first example in 50 years of GM doing platform sharing the right way. They're starting with the Theta platform to bring the overall cost down $5-$7k, but then layering premium suspension, interior, powertrain and tech toys on top of it to bring it up to (or above) the quality of what the competition is offering at a competitive price point. The old SRX was great, but starting on the Sigma platform automatically made it thousands more than the RX and MDX, even without the optional extras.

Sure it isn't RWD drive anymore, but most buyers couldn't care less. The RX sells 120,000 copies a year, while the RWD X5 and SRX struggled to sell 20,000-30,000 a year. The enthusiast crowd is only 5-10% of the market, and catering only to them is a recipe for disaster. I've driven the new SRX, and it's quieter, smoother riding and more full of cool tech toys than the 04-09 models. It's $10k cheaper, and most important- it doesn't look like an Equinox with a Cadillac badge on it. The sheetmetal, interior, wheels, lighting and all are unique. Winner.

If the Epsilon II platform will allow Cadillac to take a less expensive, FWD/AWD foundation and upgrade the shape, toys and ride to make an entry car to compete with the ES, 3 and C for a "starting at $33,995" price, it's a great idea. As long as they execute it as well as the new SRX, it should really help Cadillac's sales and bottom line.

The trick here though is Cadillac does not have a new V8, only the same old Northstar. They killed the project to redesign a new one siting fuel consumption. So we're left with the N* that produces 320HP or the new DI V6 that currently does just over 300HP. So like most buyers now one is faced with paying a premium for an older design engine that's only producing roughly 15 more HP.

I would not be surprised if they stay with a V6 and like Ford and others add turbos to produce more HP for the bigger vehicles. The 2011 SRX will be the first turbo powered Cadillac (I think it's the first.)
GM had a 3.6 twin turbo program going but canceled it. So nothing like this is planned at this time - which means that if it does come into the picture at one point or another, we're still years away from seeing it - and that's IF they decide to get it going again.

I'm with the people who are so adamant about Cadillac's flagship sedan having a V8 that I'll like an LSx engine. I'm sure the NVH can be worked with to make it viable. It won't be as smooth as the Northstar but at least you'll have POWER in your full-size sedan. Hell, people were (and still are) pretty happy about the last Fleetwoods having an LT1...

Hmm. Good points.. If the CTS is going to be the dedicated 5-Series fighter, than yes - the XTS could work as a good entry-level ES350 fighter.. And I do believe Cadillac will bring along a new small car to fight the 3-Series, IS and C-Class.. This would all work just fine - I'm just disappointed that there's no S-Class sized vehicle on the horizon - which pretty much keeps me out of getting a new Cadillac for several more years...

I agree with you entirely on the SRX. I do believe it's going to sell a LOT more than the old one - even without the possibility to lease (all those customers are gone for now). I like the new SRX - though I think it could use a little more power.. The 3.6DI would have been nice as an option...

I wouldn't be surprised at all to discover that all these speculative articles are wrong, and that this so called XTS is actually Cadillac's new entry-level car.

The ES350 is larger than the CTS by a hair, FWD and heavy, and it's Lexus' entry level. With the CTS being expensive due to its dedicated Sigma platform, RWD and high end, low production run parts, there's a need for something below it that can fight with the ES and C class in price. Let's not forget that CLOTH SEATS are standard on an ES, so they have a price point that Cadillac can't touch.

The new SRX looks to be the first example in 50 years of GM doing platform sharing the right way. They're starting with the Theta platform to bring the overall cost down $5-$7k, but then layering premium suspension, interior, powertrain and tech toys on top of it to bring it up to (or above) the quality of what the competition is offering at a competitive price point. The old SRX was great, but starting on the Sigma platform automatically made it thousands more than the RX and MDX, even without the optional extras.

Sure it isn't RWD drive anymore, but most buyers couldn't care less. The RX sells 120,000 copies a year, while the RWD X5 and SRX struggled to sell 20,000-30,000 a year. The enthusiast crowd is only 5-10% of the market, and catering only to them is a recipe for disaster. I've driven the new SRX, and it's quieter, smoother riding and more full of cool tech toys than the 04-09 models. It's $10k cheaper, and most important- it doesn't look like an Equinox with a Cadillac badge on it. The sheetmetal, interior, wheels, lighting and all are unique. Winner.

If the Epsilon II platform will allow Cadillac to take a less expensive, FWD/AWD foundation and upgrade the shape, toys and ride to make an entry car to compete with the ES, 3 and C for a "starting at $33,995" price, it's a great idea. As long as they execute it as well as the new SRX, it should really help Cadillac's sales and bottom line.

Audi uses Lamborghini engines in their flagship, and Maserati uses Ferrari- both retuned, balanced and smoothed out to make them less noisy, peaky and fussy.

I doubt anyone would complain about a full size Cadillac with an LS3 or LSA under the hood pumping out north of 450hp.

I like the new SRX - though I think it could use a little more power.. The 3.6DI would have been nice as an option...

The DI 3.0 puts out more hp than the PFI 3.6L in the 2009 SRX did, but it's a more European style engine (steeper power curve and revvy). That engine will also replace the PFI 3.6L in the CTS for 2010, at which point all Cadillac V6s will be Direct Injection (SRX, CTS, STS).

An optional 2.8L Turbo will be available in Oct/Nov for people wanting over 300hp.

Audi uses Lamborghini engines in their flagship, and Maserati uses Ferrari- both retuned, balanced and smoothed out to make them less noisy, peaky and fussy.

I doubt anyone would complain about a full size Cadillac with an LS3 or LSA under the hood pumping out north of 450hp.
Exactly. So why isn't it even under consideration at Cadillac? Because their big pu$%ies about CAFE.

Because despite the facts, Audi, BMW and Mercedes are not being vilified by the public and the media as being "out of touch, building giant gas guzzlers, dinosaurs no one wants to buy, blah blah blah".

GM has to win hearts and minds, and building good cars is only part of it.

Because despite the facts, Audi, BMW and Mercedes are not being vilified by the public and the media as being "out of touch, building giant gas guzzlers, dinosaurs no one wants to buy, blah blah blah".

GM has to win hearts and minds, and building good cars is only part of it.
Yup, you're right.. I don't like how impressing the media is so important these days.. Even Hyundai had to make a mistake with their Genesis and firm up the suspension so much that most people complain about it - to impress the media. If it had a soft suspension, you would have never heard anything about the car. But since it impressed the miniscule amount of "driving enthusiasts" in the media, it got all the attention in the world.

So now Cadillac can't build a competitive full-size car - to impress the media...

As I've said before, I honestly think Cadillac is holding off on building a full size flagship until they've completed rebuilding their credibility as a premium carmaker and they're making enough profit off their entry cars to bankroll the program.

The 7 series, A8 and S class are niche products that are usually laden with big incentives in order to sell them. I'd rank those cars in the same category as the factory performance cars like Ms, Vs and AMGs. They just aren't volume sellers, and they don't turn a lot of profit. Honestly- how many people are dropping $120,000 for a large sedan when you can get an E class or 5 series with 90% of the room and features for $60k?

Let's assume for a minute that Mercedes makes $4,000 profit for every C class or E class they sell to a dealer. Now let's assume they make DOUBLE that on an S class. MB's sales data for the year is as follows:

C class: 37,362
E class: 20,163
S class: 9,639

That's $230 million profit (assuming my made up number of $4k per unit) from their entry and mid car, and only $77 million on the flagship IF they actually make double the profit on an S class, which I doubt (S classes are normally loaded with thousands in rebates, negating the profit). If you assume that the profit to the manufacturer is the same on a C and S class, then just the C makes Mercedes 4 TIMES the amount of money the S does.

My point is that entry and mid cars not only drive profit, but they also are on the road in much higher volumes, creating customer impressions along the way. Each car on the road has to be considered a rolling advertisement, so the manufacturer benefits from the profit of the sale AND the advertising they get from having another car on the road.

Not having an S class would only cost Mercedes 18,000 customers this year. If they didn't have the C class entry car (which Cadillac currently does not), it would cost them 75,000 customers this year. Which do you think is more important now?

Cadillac will do better by getting a good entry car on the road and finding a way to raise their SRX and CTS sales up over 100,000 a year combined than they will spending hundreds of millions developing a flagship and selling 10,000 of them. Worry about a flagship after you've got your big sellers sorted out.

It still seems like GM is confused as to what Cadillac should be.. The Buick LaCrosse and Buick Enclave compete with Lexus vehicles. Is Cadillac competing with Lexus? Or BMW? BMW doesn't have an ES350. They DO have a 3-Series. This is probably where Cadillac should be looking to go.. A smaller car than the CTS to compete with the 3-Series, the CTS to compete directly with the 5-Series and a full-size luxury sedan to compete with the 7-Series..

It just seems like they're all over the place...

In response to your last post - I think the Mercedes S-Class, BMW 7-Series, Lexus LS, Jaguar XJ and Audi A8 bring a lot of people into showrooms - who actually buy the less expensive vehicles.. This is an area where Cadillac is missing.. The cars usually have the most recent technology and most of the "good stuff". They bring people into showrooms...

It still seems like GM is confused as to what Cadillac should be.. The Buick LaCrosse and Buick Enclave compete with Lexus vehicles. Is Cadillac competing with Lexus? Or BMW? BMW doesn't have an ES350. They DO have a 3-Series. This is probably where Cadillac should be looking to go.. A smaller car than the CTS to compete with the 3-Series, the CTS to compete directly with the 5-Series and a full-size luxury sedan to compete with the 7-Series..

It just seems like they're all over the place...

Since most foreign manufacturers only have two brands (basic and premium), it's a little easier to pidgeonhole each car's place in the lineup. With Buick being an odd "in between" brand, GM's strategy is a little different.

I suspect that the plan for Buick is to compete mostly with the "near luxury" cars like the Sonata/Veracruz and Avalon/Highlander using the Lacrosse/Enclave, while simultaneously offering some people a cheaper alternative to Lexus- most of the features and ride, for several thousand less.

Cadillac on the other hand, is going mostly after MB/BMW right now, and Lexus shoppers don't consider the Caddy because they're too sporty and expensive (compared to the ES). The new SRX and XTS should help with that. I think Buick will continue to appeal more to the "entry lux" market buyer of Hyundais and Toyotas, but will also snag some Lexus buyers with their top line LaCrosse.


In response to your last post - I think the Mercedes S-Class, BMW 7-Series, Lexus LS, Jaguar XJ and Audi A8 bring a lot of people into showrooms - who actually buy the less expensive vehicles.. This is an area where Cadillac is missing.. The cars usually have the most recent technology and most of the "good stuff". They bring people into showrooms...

Tough to say for sure. I certainly see your point, but it's an intangible thing that's impossible to track.

If that picture (red car back at the beginning) IS really the next generation DTS replacement, I am not buying that! Why? Don't want a car that looks foreign. It looks like an Infiniti M Series, or a Lexus or a Gensis, or many other cars, even a Toyota Avalon Limited. I thought the 1994 - 2005 DeVille/DTS looked squashed, with its buldging sides and flat roof, so I bought a Town Car, which I absolutely love, and allthough it's 6 years old, now, I am still "awaiting" the first problem! A flawless car. But, I was willing to take another look at the Cadillacs, when the new style came around. THAT is NOT a new style ! That a rehashed Infiniti/Lexi/Hyundai/Toyopet with wreath & crest. It's a nice CTS - but it's no DTS/DeVille/Sixty Special/Seville/STS or God-Forbid, Fleetwood! I like the XF Jag & the MKS Lincoln, which look very uncanny similiar.
I am hoping that Lincoln drops that non-opening silly rear "Moonroof" over the back seat, for 2010. That interior shade that one can pull to shut out the sun looks like it came fro a .99 cent store, and turns a yellowish tinge while still "In Stock" on the dealer's lot. Then the stupid thing sags like the letter "U". Thankfully it's not on the Jag. The Vovlo S80 Premier Elite is one heck of a car, for the price. 311 H.P. AWD and more on-board toys than a toy store! But no dealers in my county.
Why does everyones top of the line car have to look like everyone elses top of the line car ??

The red car in the picture is a new Buick LaCrosse..

It still seems like GM is confused as to what Cadillac should be.. The Buick LaCrosse and Buick Enclave compete with Lexus vehicles. Is Cadillac competing with Lexus? Or BMW? BMW doesn't have an ES350. They DO have a 3-Series. This is probably where Cadillac should be looking to go.. A smaller car than the CTS to compete with the 3-Series, the CTS to compete directly with the 5-Series and a full-size luxury sedan to compete with the 7-Series..

It just seems like they're all over the place...

I'm a lil confused as to all this mention of the CTS competing with the 5 series. Caddy may have benchmarked that car in developing the CTS, but it's definitely priced in line with the 3 series. And people shop cars on price more than anything else...

I'm a lil confused as to all this mention of the CTS competing with the 5 series. Caddy may have benchmarked that car in developing the CTS, but it's definitely priced in line with the 3 series. And people shop cars on price more than anything else...
Cadillac's intention was to give the buyer almost everything that the 5-Series buyer wanted for a 3-Series price. Kinda like what Hyundai did with the Genesis (http://www.genesisowners.com). It makes Cadillac a bargain company. They're working on shedding that stigma.

And now a RWD STS/DTS replacement is back on.....
http://www.motortrend.com/features/auto_news/2009/112_0907_cadillac_buick_future_product_plans/index.html

This on again, off again stuff just really gets annoying after a while. GM, just build it and tell us about it when you unveil 6 months before start of production okay? Sheesh!

EDIT: PS, thanks for killing the stupid DT7 name. Assuming you actually did and not just another decision making flip-flop....

The last time I was quoted numbers for Cadillac only about 10% of the customers of the models that had the V8 option wanted them. If 90% of your customers went with a V6, would you sink the money into developing a new V8 ? Besides the issues with CAFE. A lot of car companies are now going with V6s and if they need more power they are sticking turbos and superchargers on them.

It's image more so than not. Not having a v8 option in a Cadillac sedan is like the Cimmaron all over again... grrr

Glad I got a STS when I did... the XTS might end up being a nice car, but... man that thing is one of the ugliest cars I have ever seen. They really expect to sell that in a luxury market?

I still can't understand why so many people are so hard on GM & Cadillac. I don't mean forum members but people in general. In my eyes GM has always been a leader in the automotive world. They built very comfortable and well-handling cars across their lines.

I will admit that there's some things they could improve on but give me a DTS, STS, or ETC, even an XLR any day. The new CTS-V has an interior and engine that would probably make Ford & Toyota's designers drool.

Audi makes some nice looking cars. So does Lexus, and Benz. If GM didn't exist, I'd have to look at purchasing a vehicle from these manufacturers. But as long as GM exists, even if Cadillac went down, I'd be taking a new Impala over a Lexus any day. GM vehicles are simply the best. Period.

Cadillac, keep the current names. Bring back some old ones. This should be the lineup:

Entry Level
-Base CTS

SUV's & Crossovers
-SRX
-Escalade

High Performance Sports Car
-XLR-V convertible
-CTS-V coupe/sedan

Performance/Luxury Coupe
-ETC/ESC
-ETC-V

Mid/Full Size Sport Sedan
-STS
-STS-V

Full Size Luxury
-DTS
-Fleetwood Touring (Bigger, longer version of the DTS and of course RWD as well)

All of these should be running the most modern Northstar available, maybe even a V12 Northstar. A direct injected DOHC Northstar.

Cadillac has a great thing going for them. No need to change things, just revise some things.

But as long as GM exists, even if Cadillac went down, I'd be taking a new Impala over a Lexus any day. GM vehicles are simply the best. Period.

Those must be some Impalas they're selling there up north :cookoo:

Those must be some Impalas they're selling there up north :cookoo:
I'd say! Thought is IS nice to see someone appreciate the Impala so much. :)

I'd say! Thought is IS nice to see someone appreciate the Impala so much. :)

Hey, I love the Impala for what it is: a big inexpensive car that's inexpensive and easy to work on with inexpensive parts. Did I mention that it's inexpensive? But that doesn't mean that it has to be a Lexus fighter to be appreciated :)

Hey, I love the Impala for what it is: a big inexpensive car that's inexpensive and easy to work on with inexpensive parts. Did I mention that it's inexpensive? But that doesn't mean that it has to be a Lexus fighter to be appreciated :)
Funny, I just saw one parked next to a Lexus LS430 at the gym.. They're very close in size on the outside - just not so much on the inside.. I like the newer Impalas and I'd certainly consider one if I weren't so much into luxury cars..

Okay, now I think I'm guilty of thread hijacking.. Let's stay on topic with XTS talk. :)

pfft, the XTS is just going to be a next-generation A&S-styled Impala, anyways :halo: ;)

pfft, the XTS is just going to be a next-generation A&S-styled Impala, anyways :halo: ;)
Don't remind me... Please...

There's not much more facts coming out regarding the XTS. Maybe it's just a hoax and there's not going to be an XTS at all. It is impossible it is going to be a flagship, so we wait for the DT7... but how is this XTS replacing DTS and STS when it will have a V6 from the CTS and only a V6? Even the CTS has a V8...

If it should compete with Audi A8, MB-E or S, BMW5 or 7, it definately needs to offer more than just a 3.6 V6.
On the other had, we might see the 3.6TT after all?

Ah well, it's not 2011 or 2013 yet. We'll see what they really come up with.

The latest news says the XTS will be using a stretched and widened Buick LaCrosse platform that'll be AWD and can fit a V8. I just don't know where that V8 is coming from.. Not saying it WILL have a V8..

The latest news says the XTS will be using a stretched and widened Buick LaCrosse platform that'll be AWD and can fit a V8. I just don't know where that V8 is coming from.. Not saying it WILL have a V8..


Put the 6.2L and the 6 speed from the Escalade in it.
I would be in line to get one. :stirpot: :stirpot:

Texas Jim

Put the 6.2L and the 6 speed from the Escalade in it.
I would be in line to get one. :stirpot: :stirpot:

Texas Jim

That'd be awesome

Whatever V8 comes along, it won't be available at first... We'll probably see it during the second or third year of the XTS...

Whatever V8 comes along, it won't be available at first... We'll probably see it during the second or third year of the XTS...
GM has been doing that for decades. It's annoying and probably hurts sales, since the wrong kind of buzz gets out at first and many people won't take a second look.

Of course, with the new CAFE rules, it may be like the late 70's-early 80's, when the engines got worse each year instead of better. It was those unreliable, underpowered Cadillacs that gave Lexus an opening.

Does anyone make a FWD/AWD transaxle that can handle anything more powerful than the Impala SS V8? I'll settle for that engine--it has more low end torque than the DI 3.6 V6 or my Northstar.

Cadillac likes to have exclusive V8 engines and with the Northstar program being discontinued they have no replacement and dont want to just shove some low tech OHV V8 in their flagship. I expect in spite of reports I have read that a dohc V8 replacement is coming but they are being very tight lipped about it. With new V6 pushing over 300 hp whats the point of a v8 that pushes 320 and going turbo or supercharged would kill economy with a V8. They need a small displacement NA V8 that pushes at least 360 hp to make any sense.

I agree. At the same time though, it will be though to see the Northstar engine phase out. I love my 320HP V8 STS, but at the same time, am VERY interested in not only what this new XTS will look like, but also the engine specs as well. With the new CTS wagon, SRX, and CTS coupe coming out, none of which have V8 options, I am very sceptical of what Caddy will do. I for one will be very disappointed if they don't have the V8 at least as an option for thier new XTS flagship. If they do, I'll be first in line to buy one.
One can also go a step further, and say that, for example if we follow Caddys lineup so far on when new models are introduced (cars at least) there is usually a "V" series to follow (the CTS Coupe, etc.) the year after the original model launches. Wouldn't it be cool if, in 2012, or 2013, etc. that Caddy would make an XTS-V??
I know I'm thinking WAAAY ahead of myself here, but I think a 556HP BIG car would be very cool indeed ! Although with the current economy in the crapper, and everyone wanting more fuel efficient cars, I don't think we will ever see a replacement for the STS-V though :(

Cadillac likes to have exclusive V8 engines and with the Northstar program being discontinued they have no replacement and dont want to just shove some low tech OHV V8 in their flagship. I expect in spite of reports I have read that a dohc V8 replacement is coming but they are being very tight lipped about it. With new V6 pushing over 300 hp whats the point of a v8 that pushes 320 and going turbo or supercharged would kill economy with a V8. They need a small displacement NA V8 that pushes at least 360 hp to make any sense.

OHV > DOHC

Its funny that Cadillac's best car is the one with a non-exclusive OHV engine :D

http://image.superchevy.com/f/23686439/sucp_0908_05_z+1969_chevrolet_camaro+302_engine.jp g

Who ever said "low-tech" OHV engines were bad? The one pictured above is carbureted, and will rev-higher, and produce more power then pretty much any DOHC engine you could think of, with the exception of (in certain circumstances) the Audi 4.2L.

And the one pictured below needs no explanation.

http://pictures.dealer.com/sonicclassiccadillacbuick/d5a59d1a40463872005666335da950e7.jpg

We should stop thinking of the XTS as Cadillac's flagship. It's going to be the Deville to the CTS's Seville and Eldorado. In other words, a big, luxurious, comfortable, distinctive sedan.

When did that motor trend article come out in relation to when the XTS was announced? That MT article made no mention of the XTS...

When I bought my STS the 2 requirements I had were rear drive and V8. Personally I think larger displacement and torquier engines should be a hallmark of american cars.

2 requirements I had were rear drive and V8.

Those are the same requirements for my next car as well. The only exception would be a GN