: I celebrated the 4th of July by buying American.



I~LUV~Caddys8792
07-03-09, 09:50 PM
Finally, the Mercedes has been replaced!


2000 Regal GS. 54,000 miles. Bordeaux red/grey with the medium grey leather interior.

I went out to go purchase an '03 Regal GS Joe Abboud Edition, only to find that the mileage was too high to finance (108k) so I went back and looked at one I previously test drove. I fell in love with it and purchased it on the spot. The low mileage and extremely clean condition are what sold me on it. This is the lowest mileage, newest, most fuel efficent car I've ever owned, and the fastest! Talk about a complete package!

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/Dominique/IMG_0716.jpg
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/Dominique/IMG_0721.jpg
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/Dominique/IMG_0720.jpg


And here's the Joe Abboud package Regal GS I looked at earlier today.
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/Dominique/IMG_0710.jpg

hueterm
07-03-09, 09:51 PM
OO - MM - GG !! !! FINALLY!!

Congrats -- looks like a great car.

So did you trade in the S?

I~LUV~Caddys8792
07-03-09, 09:55 PM
Yes I traded in the S, got sick of getting no action on the private market....

hueterm
07-03-09, 09:58 PM
The regular GS is still really nice -- the Abbouds were pretty rare to begin with. I'd definitely rather save 50000 miles.

How's the Monsoon stereo?

iowasevillests
07-03-09, 10:02 PM
Nice new ride, and good to hear that the epic story with Mercedes is over, though I'll be interested to hear in 6 months how much you miss it.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
07-03-09, 10:02 PM
I agree. I liked the Abboud package's interior colors most (tan and brown), but this one had too many miles, and it wasn't as clean overall as this '00 was. The leather in the Abboud was rough and hard, it was marred in a few places and overall it wasn't as nice.

thebigjimsho
07-03-09, 10:04 PM
The Camaro is a winner! I can't stop thinking about it. Everytime I see one, I have to stare. I need one...

gdwriter
07-03-09, 10:06 PM
Sweet! That's a sharp-looking car and very low miles, too. I hope you at least got a decent trade-in for the Benz. Too bad you weren't able to sell it privately and get more $$ for it.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
07-03-09, 10:13 PM
Sweet! That's a sharp-looking car and very low miles, too. I hope you at least got a decent trade-in for the Benz. Too bad you weren't able to sell it privately and get more $$ for it.

I got $5950 for the Merc on trade in. That was the highest I was ever offered, most places gave me between $5000 and $5500. All said and done, the Grand Sport was $8500, including a 48 month, 48k mile bumper to bumper warranty that I had purchased. Which means that my payments went from $267 a month on the Mercedes to $248 a month for the Regal, including the warranty.

I have named it Dominique, like Dominique Francon (The Fountainhead).
Here's her homecoming:

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/Dominique/100_3377.jpg

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/Dominique/100_3378.jpg

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/Dominique/100_3379.jpg

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/Dominique/100_3380.jpg

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/Dominique/100_3381.jpg

Patriotic car:
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/Dominique/100_3382.jpg


So much more to add. I gotta run though, gonna go see "Public Enemies" with a few friends tonight.

gary88
07-03-09, 10:37 PM
Congrats! You bringing it to the meet?

77CDV
07-03-09, 10:43 PM
Fan-freakin'-tabulous!!!! I knew you'd get there in the end. Mission accomplished! Hope she serves you well.

Rodya234
07-03-09, 10:53 PM
Cool Beans. :cool2:

Don't get carried away with that supercharger, unless you want to blow your trans all over the road. :p

Hope it proves to be a nice reliable car :thumbsup:

Jesda
07-03-09, 11:48 PM
NICE!

Your call came in while I was at the theater. Congratulations, Chad!

RightTurn
07-04-09, 12:06 AM
Schweet! :thumbsup:

Playdrv4me
07-04-09, 12:16 AM
Well done! The exterior color on this one is MUCH nicer than the Abboud. Adam is going to sh*t his pants!

ryannel2003
07-04-09, 12:25 AM
Gorgeous car! Post pics of the interior when you get a chance.

hueterm
07-04-09, 12:29 AM
Well done! The exterior color on this one is MUCH nicer than the Abboud. Adam is going to sh*t his pants!


No, he'll gloat :lildevil:

Sorry Adam :-)

Night Wolf
07-04-09, 12:35 AM
EXCELLENT!

I agree, the color is really nice. It should provide great transportation for many years to come. Looking forward to a review :)

orconn
07-04-09, 12:46 AM
Congratulations, I think you'll enjoy the Regal. Remember the Buick Regal is the number one choice of the new Red Chinese plutocracy! Great color combo too!

blue07cts
07-04-09, 01:06 AM
o wow, i actually commented it on your facebook before even thinking of logging on here, but again AWESEOME car man!:thumbsup:

dirt_cheap_fleetwood
07-04-09, 01:52 AM
About damn time!

Congrats Chad. You can blow the doors off my Lincoln at the Chicago meet.

Rodya234
07-04-09, 01:57 AM
Let's all compile our money, so we can buy Chad a Ram Air hood, and give it to him at the meet.

Its only $800!
http://www.thrashercharged.com/store_htm/ext_hood1.asp

I~LUV~Caddys8792
07-04-09, 03:04 AM
Thanks guys! :)

It's definitely fast, but it's very controllable. If you're driving normally, you never know the supercharger is there, but when you get on it, it moves! Until you're at about 2500-3000 rpm, the supercharger is silent, then once it gets past there you hear the whine, which I think sounds cool. The hard part is keeping your foot out of it. I filled up the tank today and reset the trip computer, and so far, it shows that I'm getting like 17.6 mpg, all in the city, with a few WOT's. I took a few friends out tonight to go see Public Enemies and I had a bit of a stoplight drag with an '04+ GTP and we stayed neck and neck, and hers makes more power than mine does (260 v. 240).

I'll post more of a test drive review later. I'm still new with it.

Anyways, I'll be bringing it to the Chicago meet. I wanna see what she'll do at the track. I bet somewhere between 14.9 and 15.2, that's what all of the magazines seem to track it as. I have heard that the transmissions will become a problem if you beat on it, especially if you're doing burnouts or if you turned the boost up (I do wanna do a pulley swap though....), but that's why I bought the extended warranty! I have the inspection records from the dealership, they spent $1600 on reconditioning it and making it ready for the lot, which included a full inspection, oil change, tire rotation, full detail, new pads and rotors front and rear and a new HVAC control module (the old one burned out).

And it's got a clean carfax (I'm the 3rd owner, it originally came out of Georgia to a buyer in North Carolina and owned until 2008, then it was bought by someone up here, who had it for 11 months, then traded it in and I picked it up.) It even has three sets of keys and the original window sticker (MSRP was $27,xxx).

Overall I'm extremely happy with it. It's a very nice *REGULAR-BLUE-COLLARED-LUXURY-CAR*. No more expensive specialty parts, no more hard to find Mercedes specialists, no more diagnostic nightmares. Everything is normal GM parts bin stuff, and that makes me feel so much better than an expensive European car. It's funny, I can still feel my dad's '97 Lumina in this car in some small ways, like the way the doors sound when they shut, etc etc. Little details like that. But that's to be expected considering they're both W-Bodies.

I'll have more pics and stuff up tomorrow. I'm off to bed now. Today was a long day.

Lord Cadillac
07-04-09, 10:19 AM
Nice sleeper! Do post those interior pictures soon. :) Oh and you'd better become a member of www.buickforums.com now. :p

gothicaleigh
07-04-09, 11:58 AM
I celebrated the 4th of July by buying American.

The Regal was manufactured and assembled in Oshawa, Canada. :shhh:

:gothiraspberry:






Not bad though, my brother used to own a Regal GS. Very comfy interior and a complete sleeper. Buick is a very under-rated brand.

hueterm
07-04-09, 12:23 PM
I thought for sure my GTP was built in KC...I don't remember seeing GM Canada stickers on it. Of course it was a '99 -- maybe they consolidated mfg. in between.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
07-04-09, 12:39 PM
I've got the sticker on the door saying it was built in Canadia.

thebigjimsho
07-04-09, 01:21 PM
I thought for sure my GTP was built in KC...I don't remember seeing GM Canada stickers on it. Of course it was a '99 -- maybe they consolidated mfg. in between.
I thought all W-bodies were built in Oshawa...

thebigjimsho
07-04-09, 01:22 PM
The Regal was manufactured and assembled in Oshawa, Canada. :shhh:

:gothiraspberry:






Not bad though, my brother used to own a Regal GS. Very comfy interior and a complete sleeper. Buick is a very under-rated brand.
Yeah, Chad may have bought American. But what did the previous owner buy is the more pertinent question. If he/she bought a Mercedes, it's all moot.

orconn
07-04-09, 02:22 PM
Let's all compile our money, so we can buy Chad a Ram Air hood, and give it to him at the meet.

Its only $800!
http://www.thrashercharged.com/store_htm/ext_hood1.asp

Now that Chad is no longer in the Mercedes yoke he can afford to buy his hood scoop!

Rodya234
07-04-09, 02:47 PM
Now he can be like every other W-body owner! :thumbsup:

I'm still waiting for him to get some black rims, paint the calipers red and get a spoiler before I get excited though. :histeric:

Edit: and one of those decals for the windshield that says "SUPERCHARGED"

I~LUV~Caddys8792
07-04-09, 03:13 PM
Subtlety is key...

Rolex
07-04-09, 03:26 PM
I like it and it looks very clean. :cool2: With Pontiac offering 0% for 72 months financing on all their cars I've been considering going over to the local Pontiac dealer to sit in their G8 GXP. The wife even gave me the green light. The problem is I haven't sold my last toy yet....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v305/rolex/photo-3-2.jpg

If I can unload this toy before their 0% financing offer ends I'm getting the G8 GXP. :cool2:

Destroyer
07-04-09, 05:09 PM
I got $5950 for the Merc on trade in. That was the highest I was ever offered, most places gave me between $5000 and $5500. Damn, I got over twice that for my '97 S320 when I sold it. Congrats on the Buick!I

96Fleetwood
07-04-09, 05:44 PM
Congrats on the Regal purchase. Please tell me it has a moonroof!

I got $12K for my Father's '99 S500 Grand Edition last week. You gave the S320 away :helpless: Hopefully it goes to a good home that can appreciate it.

AMGoff
07-04-09, 05:47 PM
Finally, the Mercedes has been replaced!


2000 Regal GS. 54,000 miles. Bordeaux red/grey with the medium grey leather interior.

I went out to go purchase an '03 Regal GS Joe Abboud Edition, only to find that the mileage was too high to finance (108k) so I went back and looked at one I previously test drove. I fell in love with it and purchased it on the spot. The low mileage and extremely clean condition are what sold me on it. This is the lowest mileage, newest, most fuel efficent car I've ever owned, and the fastest! Talk about a complete package!

Well it's about goddamned time.... Das Rommelwagen ist kaput!

Strangely however, a small part finds myself already missing the Benz... Although it's probably more the consequential realization that this marks the end of any Nazi-related jokes - and to think we only scratched the surface :nono:

Anyway... Where the hell did this one come from? Talk about coming out of left field... I don't recall coming across this one at all, how did you find it - was it listed anywhere? I figured you wouldn't get the '03 Abboud for on reason or another due to the miles on it... but I was almost certain that when I clicked through I would have seen that black 2000 GSE in Farmington - you definitely surprised me!

I noticed this one doesn't have the sunroof... Does it have the heated seats? Either way, with only 54,000 miles you definitely did good :thumbsup:... I have no doubt whatsoever that you have absolutely zero regrets about this decision.


Well done! The exterior color on this one is MUCH nicer than the Abboud. Adam is going to sh*t his pants!


No, he'll gloat :lildevil:

Sorry Adam :-)

Lol... I may or may not have had a heads up about this bombshell. Even though I was still surprised by the final-final choice!


I thought all W-bodies were built in Oshawa...

Negatory...


I thought for sure my GTP was built in KC...I don't remember seeing GM Canada stickers on it. Of course it was a '99 -- maybe they consolidated mfg. in between.

Spot on Mike.... Your GTP was build at the Fairfax Assembly Plant in Kansas City - as were the Olds Cutlass Supreme and the Olds Intrigue. The Grand Prix was moved to Oshawa for the 2004 redesign after Olds was axed. The KC plant was then retooled for the Malibu and then the Epsilon-based Aura and Malibu. The new Eps-II 2010 Lacrosse will also be built in Kansas City - although it's smaller 2011 Regal counterpart will be built in Oshawa.


I like it and it looks very clean. :cool2: With Pontiac offering 0% for 72 months financing on all their cars I've been considering going over to the local Pontiac dealer to sit in their G8 GXP. The wife even gave me the green light. The problem is I haven't sold my last toy yet....

If I can unload this toy before their 0% financing offer ends I'm getting the G8 GXP. :cool2:

Rolex... I just drove a brand new Pontiac G8 yesterday. However, it was "only" the 6.0L GT version - not the GXP. I was planning on writing a mini-review about it sometime soon, but I can definitely say this... It is one hell of a fine handling car - definitely as good as, if not better than any BMW I've ever driven.

As far as the deals go... From what the dealer told me, you can either get the 0%/72mo financing along with a $500 dealer-only cash back - evidently depending on the dealer and how generous they are. Or if you opt for the standard 2.9% financing, he ran through all of the cash-back deals which all totaled came up to about $5000... GM clearly wants to sell these things based on how heavily incentivized they are!

hueterm
07-04-09, 08:15 PM
I like it and it looks very clean. :cool2: With Pontiac offering 0% for 72 months financing on all their cars I've been considering going over to the local Pontiac dealer to sit in their G8 GXP. The wife even gave me the green light. The problem is I haven't sold my last toy yet....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v305/rolex/photo-3-2.jpg

If I can unload this toy before their 0% financing offer ends I'm getting the G8 GXP. :cool2:

See if they'll take it in on trade, and give it away w/a Sierra 3500 Dualie as a promo...

And you'd better hurry if you want a GXP...I didn't see any online here in NWA, Joplin or Ft. Smith -- there was 1 at each of the Tulsa dealerships. They may be hard to get relo'ed if they're that rare...

If you decide on one of the Tulsa ones, and your wife doesn't want to drive over to help you pick it up -- I will be glad to -- as long as I get to drive it back on the turnpike :-)

hueterm
07-04-09, 08:49 PM
Congrats on the Regal purchase. Please tell me it has a moonroof!

I got $12K for my Father's '99 S500 Grand Edition last week. You gave the S320 away :helpless: Hopefully it goes to a good home that can appreciate it.


Well now, admittedly, it was an S500 Grand... How many miles did it have? As rare as those are, I would have thought it would have gone for more unless it had a lot of miles.

In any event, you need to teach us your Jedi mind trick to sell cars as well as you do.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
07-04-09, 08:57 PM
Damn, I got over twice that for my '97 S320 when I sold it. Congrats on the Buick!I

The market for big Mercedes is in the dumps nowadays, especially in the Midwest. They don't sell real well out here when new, and not many want to put up with the costs of owning a 10 year old model.


Congrats on the Regal purchase. Please tell me it has a moonroof!

I got $12K for my Father's '99 S500 Grand Edition last week. You gave the S320 away :helpless: Hopefully it goes to a good home that can appreciate it.

No moonroof, but honestly, I'll be fine without it. That '03 I drove had the moonroof, and it was much smaller than the moonroof in the S Class, probably half the length. Plus, it's one less thing to go wrong (not that it would) and cost me.

It's funny, I traded it in yesterday and got a call about it today. I told the guy to call my salesguy at Walser and buy it before they auction it off. He said he wanted to buy it and ship it out to his father in law in Phoenix, as he had one of those before and wanted another.


Anyway... Where the hell did this one come from? Talk about coming out of left field... I don't recall coming across this one at all, how did you find it - was it listed anywhere? I figured you wouldn't get the '03 Abboud for on reason or another due to the miles on it... but I was almost certain that when I clicked through I would have seen that black 2000 GSE in Farmington - you definitely surprised me!

I noticed this one doesn't have the sunroof... Does it have the heated seats? Either way, with only 54,000 miles you definitely did good :thumbsup:... I have no doubt whatsoever that you have absolutely zero regrets about this decision.

This one was on carsoup, but not autotrader. I bet you searched Autotrader, not Carsoup. This one has BY FAR the lowest miles of any Regal GS in the area, and the nice thing about buying from the Walser family of dealers is that I get free oil changes for life, free car washes once a week, discounts on gas, discounts on different restaurants and movie theatres around, etc etc. Plus, by buying from a major dealer like this, I have more confidence in the car's overall condition because it had to pass a 117 point inspection. I have the invoice from that inspection....they spent $1600 to get it ready for sale. :eek:



Spot on Mike.... Your GTP was build at the Fairfax Assembly Plant in Kansas City - as were the Olds Cutlass Supreme and the Olds Intrigue.

I was talking to a man who owned an '87 Grand National and an '03 GTP and he said that the canadian built W Bodies had less problems and generally better build quality. He said he had a GS Regal and his GTP had a lot more problems and wasn't built as well.

Here's the interior pics you asked for:

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/Dominique/IMG_0722.jpg

As my friend Evan said, "boy, this car sure doesn't have the legroom of the Mercedes." :lol:
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/Dominique/IMG_0723.jpg

It's got a nice big storage armrest back there, with HUGE cupholders (bigger than the front ones).
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/Dominique/IMG_0725.jpg

Simple, clean dashboard.
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/Dominique/IMG_0724.jpg

Easy to read instrumentation.
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/Dominique/IMG_0729.jpg

For some odd reason, it displays the weirdest exterior temperatures. It's usually in the 38-50* range, but sometimes it actually goes up to the ambient temp. I wonder if that's got anything to do with the fact they just replaced the HVAC control module?
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/Dominique/IMG_0730.jpg

I love this engine. Always have.
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/Dominique/IMG_0731.jpg

This is the only badge (well...aside from the GS badge) that would let any onlookers know what lies beneath.
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/Dominique/IMG_0726.jpg

Kev
07-04-09, 09:00 PM
I like it and it looks very clean. :cool2: With Pontiac offering 0% for 72 months financing on all their cars I've been considering going over to the local Pontiac dealer to sit in their G8 GXP. The wife even gave me the green light. The problem is I haven't sold my last toy yet....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v305/rolex/photo-3-2.jpg

If I can unload this toy before their 0% financing offer ends I'm getting the G8 GXP. :cool2:What are we looking at here? :confused: All I see is a windshield, mirror, headlamps, brush guard and tires ..... . :hmm:

:D

orconn
07-04-09, 09:25 PM
Truth be told, Thad, these cars were a steal at the new sticker price of $27,000. and when you consider you could deal them to a lot lower price.

After checking Ebay's completed sales list for the 320S it looks like you got about what people around the country are willing to pay for these cars at the present time. Their market price will probably continue to fall with the desirability of Mercedes in general. So you were very wise to move on to a more affordable,yet fun, car.

96Fleetwood
07-04-09, 09:38 PM
Well now, admittedly, it was an S500 Grand... How many miles did it have? As rare as those are, I would have thought it would have gone for more unless it had a lot of miles.

In any event, you need to teach us your Jedi mind trick to sell cars as well as you do.

It had 103K miles, I got him full KBB value for it. My eBay auctions are top notch ;) We had so much interest in the car, I even gave several people the number for the guy who bought it.. they were willing to give him a profit to buy it.

orconn
07-04-09, 09:42 PM
It had 103K miles, I got him full KBB value for it. My eBay auctions are top notch ;) We had so much interest in the car, I even gave several people the number for the guy who bought it.. they were willing to give him a profit to buy it.

Perhaps, but that was for an S500 Grand not a much more common S320!

Playdrv4me
07-04-09, 09:53 PM
$5950

:gah: There's quite a difference between 7500 and 5950!

96Fleetwood
07-04-09, 10:00 PM
:gah: There's quite a difference between 7500 and 5950!

The dealer is going to make some good money... people get frustrated with private sales and settle for trade-in. My Brother did the same with his 2003 DTS, he got $8K on trade in back in December when I could have fetched him at least $10K if he waited 2 weeks.

tman2093
07-04-09, 11:48 PM
Chad, you may want to make an account over ar regalgs.org. fantastic site. Cousin has a GS. He thinks his Regal is faster, I disagree, but like you said. It's rock-solid reliable.

I will recommend changing your SC oil. use a turkey baster to siphon out the ols oil and put fresh in every so often. After about 80000 miles the coupler goes bad. Order a fresh one from zzperformance and you're good for another 80000. Easy job too.

Your pictures are really sharp and vibrant. The pic info says you're using a Kodak DX4330. You like it I assume?

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Destroyer
07-05-09, 12:54 AM
Here's the interior pics you asked for:

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/Dominique/IMG_0722.jpg

As my friend Evan said, "boy, this car sure doesn't have the legroom of the Mercedes." :lol:
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/Dominique/IMG_0723.jpg

It's got a nice big storage armrest back there, with HUGE cupholders (bigger than the front ones).
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/Dominique/IMG_0725.jpg

Simple, clean dashboard.
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/Dominique/IMG_0724.jpg

Easy to read instrumentation.
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/Dominique/IMG_0729.jpg

For some odd reason, it displays the weirdest exterior temperatures. It's usually in the 38-50* range, but sometimes it actually goes up to the ambient temp. I wonder if that's got anything to do with the fact they just replaced the HVAC control module?
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/Dominique/IMG_0730.jpg

I love this engine. Always have.
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/Dominique/IMG_0731.jpg

This is the only badge (well...aside from the GS badge) that would let any onlookers know what lies beneath.
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/Dominique/IMG_0726.jpgIt's no Benz on the inside, that's for sure.

Rodya234
07-05-09, 12:59 AM
I love the huge Buick instruments. :)

I hate the no legroom. :(

Also, the climate control unit is kind of out of the way. It looks weird.

77CDV
07-05-09, 03:35 AM
I'm having flashbacks to my mom's 2000 Century. The trans is a weak point on these cars, so heads up. Still a good deal for you, though, and much more livable financially than the Benz.

gdwriter
07-05-09, 03:56 AM
Considering Chad had the Benz for sale and listed on AutoTrader since April with very little action other than some scammers and flakes, I don't blame him for trading it in. The way things were going, it could have been a few more months before it sold.

I know it's not a Regal, but I love this ad for the '67 Electra 225 -- especially the music:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8LXBFS-5O8

"When better automobiles are built, Buick will build them."

"Wouldn't you really rather have a Buick?"

dirt_cheap_fleetwood
07-05-09, 05:34 AM
Chad, talk to your uncle who works on these and see if there is a reset procedure on the outside air temp. I know there is a way to do it on the DeVilles and you can also calibrate the thermometer in case it is reading a few (or many) degrees off from actual.

caddycruiser
07-05-09, 08:08 AM
Congrats, what a good choice!

I've always been a big Buick fan, even in the days (such as your '03) when the lineup was pretty stuffy and old GM...it was still some of the most solid, most refined, comfortable, and even efficient product they made. Your GS is a great example of all of that. As others have said, just don't make it explode and it will be good and fast for a while;)

I~LUV~Caddys8792
07-05-09, 01:45 PM
Congrats, what a good choice!

I've always been a big Buick fan, even in the days (such as your '03) when the lineup was pretty stuffy and old GM...it was still some of the most solid, most refined, comfortable, and even efficient product they made. Your GS is a great example of all of that. As others have said, just don't make it explode and it will be good and fast for a while;)

I like a lot of the cars of the "old Buick". The Park Avenue I prefer over the Lucerne, even though that's a very nice car as well....a lot more European and "modern" than the Park Avenue ever was, but like I was telling my sales guy, the PA has a vibe to it that the new ones don't.


Considering Chad had the Benz for sale and listed on AutoTrader since April with very little action other than some scammers and flakes, I don't blame him for trading it in. The way things were going, it could have been a few more months before it sold.

I had a guy call me on it yesterday, and like every other person that called me on it, he was weird. He sounded like an aged hippie, half stoned out of his mind. He called me like 3 times in an hour, even though I told him that I traded it in and where it was. I even gave him my salesman's cell number so he could get a hold of him and snag the car before the dealer sent it off to auction. He said he wanted to buy it for his dad down in Phoenix, because he had one before but is now too senile to drive. :bigroll: Then he told me that he wanted me to go back to the dealer, trade the Buick back in on the Mercedes just so he could buy it directly from me and I'd have some more money out of the deal.


Yeah, that was a typical call on the car.

When Brian sold his '96 F-150, he got like 8 calls in two days from REGULAR BLUE COLLARED MEN! Nothing weird there, just the typical used car buyer. And heck, even one of those blue collared males bought the dang thing, and paid what he was asking.


I'm having flashbacks to my mom's 2000 Century. The trans is a weak point on these cars, so heads up.

Yeah, now that I remember it, my dad was starting to have tranny problems with his '97 Lumina when he sold it to my uncle. It would slip under heavy acceleration, which was fine because that one only had the 160hp 3.1L V6, which isn't exactly a car that's meant to be driven hard. Mine on the other hand....

With the 3100, you got the 4T60-E. The Supercharged 3800 uses the 4T65-E, which is a heavier duty setup. Still though, I've heard that these have a weak planetary gearset that don't like to be shifted from N->R without being fully stopped, so I'll be careful about that. And the worst thing that you can do to these is burnouts from the hole....that's what'll really nuke the tranny, so I won't do that. I'm actually kinda afraid to do a WOT from a stop...just so much tiresmoke and noise. :lildevil: I'm used to that week-kneed Mercedes.

But if it does go, I've got that 4 year/40,000 mile warranty..


I love the huge Buick instruments. :)

I hate the no legroom. :(

Also, the climate control unit is kind of out of the way. It looks weird.

Yeah, it doesn't have a lot of legroom compared to the cars I've had. Still though, it's better than what my friends have ('01 Civic Coupe, '93 Maxima SE, '04 Titan King Cab, '01 Cherokee Sport). I guess I'm no longer the definitive "road-trip king" in the group. :( :)


It's no Benz on the inside, that's for sure.

Yeah, but unless you go to a Rolls or Bentley, you can't really beat a W140 for quality of interior design and execution. That will most likely be the nicest, most expensive car I've ever owned.


Chad, you may want to make an account over ar regalgs.org. fantastic site. Cousin has a GS. He thinks his Regal is faster, I disagree, but like you said. It's rock-solid reliable.

I will recommend changing your SC oil. use a turkey baster to siphon out the ols oil and put fresh in every so often. After about 80000 miles the coupler goes bad. Order a fresh one from zzperformance and you're good for another 80000. Easy job too.

I made the account, waiting on confirmation email. Thanks for the recommendation. :)

I've heard about that Supercharger oil, I upsold a supercharger service when I worked at the Chevy dealer. It's crucial to the supercharger, but man that stuff REEKS! It's like the worst smelling, most burnt gear oil you've ever smelled. The tech that did it on the GTP worked in the back stall, and it was 12 stalls away from the write-up area, and the whole shop stunk of that crap for a while after the service was done, but thankfully, there isn't much of that fluid to extract and change, so it doesn't take much time or money.



Your pictures are really sharp and vibrant. The pic info says you're using a Kodak DX4330. You like it I assume?

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Image input equipment model: KODAK DX4330 DIGITAL CAMERA
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Exposure program: 2
Shutter speed: 7
Aperture: 3
Exposure bias: 0
Maximum lens aperture: 3
Metering mode: 1
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Flash: 24
Lens focal length: 8
Exposure index: 120
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Custom rendered: 0
Exposure mode: 0
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That's actually my dad's camera, lol. It's older than mine, so I don't really like using it, especially because you've gotta look through the little viewfinder to see what you're taking a picture of, not a screen like on most new cameras. I left my camera up at a buddy's cabin last weekend so that's why I had to use his.

The pics did turn out surprisingly well though.



What's a good site for Supercharged 3800 go-fast parts?

77CDV
07-05-09, 03:25 PM
Yeah, but unless you go to a Rolls or Bentley, you can't really beat a W140 for quality of interior design and execution. That will most likely be the nicest, most expensive car I've ever owned.

"Oh, that a man's grasp might exceed his reach, else what's a heaven for?"

Rodya234
07-05-09, 09:49 PM
This site (http://www.thrashercharged.com/store_htm/store.asp) has pretty much every W-body/3800 performance part you could want. Don't catch mod fever, its very hard to cure! :thumbsup:

thebigjimsho
07-06-09, 12:02 AM
My parents' '95 Lumina LS blew its tranny within a couple months of new. My father bought it with a couple thousand miles as he usually bought dealer demos. He bought it with the point of taking it cross country within a couple months of purchase. It's a common theme in my family(my brother's Altima in '00, my V in '04).

Since the tranny was hard to find, my parents got a rental...for an 8,000 mile cross country trip. Too bad for my parents and little brother the rental Lumina only had a radio...

hueterm
07-06-09, 12:37 AM
Just don't throw your tranny at the track in Chicago. It's a long tow back to Mpls.... :-)

I~LUV~Caddys8792
07-06-09, 12:52 AM
I've gotta do a tranny flush soon as part of the 60k service. I'm at 59,7xx now.

Rodya234
07-06-09, 01:21 AM
These torque-y engines (4.9L, 3800 S/C) blow through their 4T6x-e trannies all the time. But I don't expect you would have to replace one for another at least 40k. Depends on how hard you drive it; that 1-2 shift at WOT is really hard on the trans.

AMGoff
07-06-09, 02:21 AM
Chad, you have very little to worry about with regard to your transmission... Those early 90's W-bodies and 4.9 Devilles used the 4T60 transmission, while the 97+ W-bodies used the much improved 4T65 auto. Better still, the GS used a different, beefed-up version of the 4T65 which also had a larger torque converter. However, check and see when exactly your car was built - if I recall, they were beefed up further with a stronger valve body sometime through the 2000-run.

Either way, it's a very reliable transmission and is more than sturdy enough to handle the power of the SC 3.8 - so much that it's still used with the LS4 and that has even more power. You have absolutely no reason to baby it whatsoever - give it the beans with all the WOTs your heart desires and don't think twice about it. I beat the snot of my GS and had zero problems in the 70,000 miles I put on it.

Red_October_7000
07-06-09, 02:35 AM
Those are nice cars, you did well for yourself. The 3800 is the second most prolific engine for mod parts (only the "Mouse motor" GM smallblock 8 has more). You can make yourself a real screamer out of that if you so choose but it's quite capable as it stands. I drove a 1998 LeSabre with the naturally aspirated 3800 for 8 years and it was a good car. Loads of torque, rode like a sofa, and, unlike the smaller Regal, had LOADS of interior room. It was one of the largest cars available at the time and really harkened back to earlier days in its design. I upgraded so many things it ended up as a mishmosh of bits and pieces from all different years and types of the H-body. In the smaller Regal, the 3800 S/C will be awesome. The two-and-a-half tonne LeSabre could move around quickly, and had great acceleration at high speeds, which surprised many people on the highway who thought "Grandpamobile". That car ought to be quick indeed! The S/C cars also benefit HUGELY from free-flowing exhaust and a cold-air-intake; the H bodies shipped with a decent CAI that was easy to improve, not sure about the Regals.

Night Wolf
07-07-09, 12:19 PM
I agree, the 4.9 and sc3800 didn't exactly go thru trannies all the time. Many cars have 150k+ on the original trans. Just because someones went out under 100k and then went out again after a who-knows-what rebuild, dosent mean it needs to be babied and always wondering if its gonna go.

I'm pretty sure the 60k GM trans service is just a regular drop the pan, fluid/filter change and not a "flush" where it gets hooked up to the machine, those are known to cause problems.

My fathers '99 GTP had a "performance shift" button on the shifter, latter GTP's lost it, I don't know if the Regal ever had it, if not I heard of it being added, makes the trans shift firmer and iirc at a higher RPM too, also makes for a more sporty feel under part throttle too.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
07-07-09, 02:36 PM
Transmission flushes are NOT recommended on cars with more than 100k. The flush is one of those services that you must start at an early age and continue with it. If you start late, you run a risk of unsettling debris and wreaking havoc on the valve body. I had it done at 73k on the Merc and had no problems what so ever. That is what I'll do at 60k.

The early Regals (mine included) have the performance shift button. I did notice that it holds the fears longer as well..

RightTurn
07-07-09, 02:46 PM
Holds the fears longer? :coffee:

Playdrv4me
07-07-09, 02:48 PM
Transmission flushes are NOT recommended on cars with more than 100k. The flush is one of those services that you must start at an early age and continue with it. If you start late, you run a risk of unsettling debris and wreaking havoc on the valve body. I had it done at 73k on the Merc and had no problems what so ever. That is what I'll do at 60k.

The early Regals (mine included) have the performance shift button. I did notice that it holds the fears longer as well..

Actually, if the repair shop in question doesn't know how to do it properly (i.e. they use shop air and put the pressure too high) you still risk transmission damage even before 100k miles. The "soft" flushes use the transmissions own pump to pump the fluid through and are less potentially harsh.

Above 100k miles though, either one is a gamble as Chad mentioned.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
07-07-09, 02:54 PM
Holds the fears longer? :coffee:

Gary Busey lives in my trunk. :eek:

CadillacGurl
07-07-09, 02:54 PM
I'm a little late but... Congrats on the car Chad! I love the color. :thumbsup:

Aron9000
07-07-09, 10:32 PM
Nice Buick Chad! I've always liked the s/c 3800, glad you got that instead of the regular 3.8 V6. Quite a bit of a change going from the big flashy Benz to something so under the radar.

Our family had a 1991 Regal, it was maroon in and out, with the 3.8 V6 It gave us excellent service until it was 13-14 years old and had 200k+ miles on it(I'm guessing the mileage, the odometer quit at 94k). It really fell apart quick after two teenage drivers though. The clearcoat failed, a/c went out, and the trans crapped out all within 6 months.

gary88
07-07-09, 11:01 PM
Gary Busey lives in my trunk. :eek:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v222/gheb88/5fr85.gif

RightTurn
07-07-09, 11:26 PM
WHAT??? No Trunk Monkey??

YouTube - Trunk Monkey Compilation

DopeStar 156
07-08-09, 12:45 AM
Fun isn't it? I've been driving around our 98 Regal for a week now and I'm hooked......

gdwriter
07-08-09, 02:13 AM
As an advertising professional and an Oregonian, I'm rather embarrassed by those Trunk Monkey ads.

LS1Mike
07-08-09, 02:51 PM
Chad,
Good choice, very nice ride.
I loved my 01 GTP. You have lots of fun with this. Just change the oil and keep up the tranny maintenance and you will go 260,000 just like I did.

Jesda
07-08-09, 02:56 PM
We can all thank BBob for stupidly convincing us to leave nasty sludge in our old transmissions.

Just had a flush done on the Buick Century at 141,000 miles. It was slipping terribly and shuddering like mad. After a BG flush and a treatment of BG conditioning fluid, it drives perfectly.

The old ATF was black and badly burnt.

ltdltc
07-08-09, 03:40 PM
Sharp looking Buick.

AMGoff
07-08-09, 06:32 PM
Chad... Looks like you have a at least a good 4-5 months to save up your pennies before those harsh MN winters set in for a heated seat or two... These look like the most viable options, depending on what you'd want exactly. Looks like $70-80/seat for a standard two-mode (HI/LOW/OFF) heater kit... Or $160/seat for a two-mode heater plus AC/Ventilation kit... Or $170 for a two-mode heater plus massage kit (although this may have to be professionally installed depending on your comfort level) - all of which are available here:

http://www.sportsimportsltd.com/seatheatac.html

As long as you are comfortable removing your seat covers (which I'm assuming you definitely would be at least with your uncle's help), then it appears the basic heater kit is a fairly easy, straightforward procedure... The other two, especially the massage kit may be a bit more involved.

However, if you're looking for a bit more of a "plug & play" install and want more of a factory look and feel - it appears that Metro Auto Salvage in Lakeville, MN has a pair of gray power, heated leather buckets for $110/seat... You can probably work out a better deal on the price and have them throw in the wiring and factory center console controls in with them. Their site is here:

http://www.metroautosalvageinc.com/

I know you really wanted heated seats and a sunroof... But for such the great deal that you got, I would have definitely overlooked them for the time being myself - as thankfully, the seats at least are pretty cheap and easy option to add in yourself. But I'd certainly get on it and have at least the driver's seat installed before winter... If you're like me, that's one option that's become increasingly difficult to live without - especially come the fall.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
07-08-09, 08:42 PM
Thanks everyone, I really like checking up on this thread and seeing the positive feedback. :) I guess when you come back to the GM team you can expect that, am I right?



We can all thank BBob for stupidly convincing us to leave nasty sludge in our old transmissions.

Just had a flush done on the Buick Century at 141,000 miles. It was slipping terribly and shuddering like mad. After a BG flush and a treatment of BG conditioning fluid, it drives perfectly.

The old ATF was black and badly burnt.

BG FTW! (that's what I sell!) :D


Chad,
Good choice, very nice ride.
I loved my 01 GTP. You have lots of fun with this. Just change the oil and keep up the tranny maintenance and you will go 260,000 just like I did.

Thanks! You got 260k out of it and yours was heavily modified? That makes me feel so confident. :) Now I know that the transmissions are weak in these cars once you start to modify them, so what sort of tranny maintenance did you do? Regular flushes at every 30k or something more involved?

I've been waiting for you to see this thread, I knew you'd love my choice! :D


Chad... Looks like you have a at least a good 4-5 months to save up your pennies before those harsh MN winters set in for a heated seat or two... These look like the most viable options, depending on what you'd want exactly. Looks like $70-80/seat for a standard two-mode (HI/LOW/OFF) heater kit... Or $160/seat for a two-mode heater plus AC/Ventilation kit... Or $170 for a two-mode heater plus massage kit (although this may have to be professionally installed depending on your comfort level) - all of which are available here:

http://www.sportsimportsltd.com/seatheatac.html

As long as you are comfortable removing your seat covers (which I'm assuming you definitely would be at least with your uncle's help), then it appears the basic heater kit is a fairly easy, straightforward procedure... The other two, especially the massage kit may be a bit more involved.

However, if you're looking for a bit more of a "plug & play" install and want more of a factory look and feel - it appears that Metro Auto Salvage in Lakeville, MN has a pair of gray power, heated leather buckets for $110/seat... You can probably work out a better deal on the price and have them throw in the wiring and factory center console controls in with them. Their site is here:

http://www.metroautosalvageinc.com/

I know you really wanted heated seats and a sunroof... But for such the great deal that you got, I would have definitely overlooked them for the time being myself - as thankfully, the seats at least are pretty cheap and easy option to add in yourself. But I'd certainly get on it and have at least the driver's seat installed before winter... If you're like me, that's one option that's become increasingly difficult to live without - especially come the fall.


Thanks Adam! I'll have to see how bad it is in the winter without the heated leather seats, but I have given thought to having them installed.

hueterm
07-08-09, 08:43 PM
Are the heated seat kits reliable? Where does the switch go? It would be nice to have them in the Concours...

AMGoff
07-08-09, 09:23 PM
Are the heated seat kits reliable? Where does the switch go? It would be nice to have them in the Concours...

Mike, I've had a kit installed in the Wagoneer for about 8 years and I've yet to have any problem with them.

The standard two-mode kit that is available through the first link I gave Chad actually comes as two carbon fiber mesh pads, that can be had in 11x11 or 9x18 and can be cut with regular scissors for an exact fit and can be wired directly to your fuse box - generally an ACC circuit. The switches can be mounted anywhere - dash, console, seat-side, etc. as long as it's within wire's length.

The most difficult part is simply removing the seat covers themselves and being careful of any upholstery clips or fasteners. After that, you simply affix the heating elements to the bottom and back cushions, run the wiring, and then refit the seat covers.

It's a good day's work and is much easier if you can remove the seat from the car to do the work first - I found that out the hard way... but believe me, it's well worth it. Then again, I get a lot of mileage out of my seat heaters... I use them all the time, even in the summer with the AC on just because it feels good on the ol' back. So, YMMV...

Personally, I'm really contemplating one of the heat plus ventilation kits... The prices on those have really dropped as of recent years.

I think one of the sites has a PDF with start to finish DIY instructions... I'll have to see if I can find and post the link for it.

hueterm
07-08-09, 11:04 PM
I wonder if the upholstery shop here could install them.....? The Concours has perf'ed leather -- I bet that would work good w/the heated and cooled version.

dirt_cheap_fleetwood
07-08-09, 11:30 PM
I am surprised the Concours doesn't have the factory ones. I though it was standard but I guess not. Up North here about 80% of cars that had available has them and I have never seen a Concours locally that didn't have them.

hueterm
07-08-09, 11:42 PM
No, mine was from Ft. Worth, TX...unfortunately they were optional (at least in 1995). The seats are in such good shape, I hate to look for replacements...

Playdrv4me
07-09-09, 12:22 AM
BG FTW! (that's what I sell!) :D


In the earlier post where I mentioned using a machine that uses the transmission's own pump to perform the flush, I forgot to mention that I usually go to places with a BG Sun machine to do that. The 2002 Ram recently had that done.

Jesda
07-09-09, 12:51 AM
http://www.q45.org/cpg/albums/userpics/10001/thumb_redx.JPG

Destroyer
07-09-09, 01:44 AM
Thanks everyone, I really like checking up on this thread and seeing the positive feedback. :) I guess when you come back to the GM team you can expect that, am I right?




Yeah, right.:cookoo:

dirt_cheap_fleetwood
07-09-09, 01:50 AM
Wrong thread Jesda.

AMGoff
07-09-09, 02:25 AM
I wonder if the upholstery shop here could install them.....? The Concours has perf'ed leather -- I bet that would work good w/the heated and cooled version.

If the Concours has perforated leather and you have access to a local upholstery shop, then I'd definitely just go ahead and spring for the heated and ventilated seats... It's not like it's all that much more expensive for the ventilated and if you're going to have it done, you might as well go whole-hog. If for nothing other than you'll probably end up kicking yourself in the rear come the next sweltering hot day.

LS1Mike
07-09-09, 10:34 PM
Chad,

I installed an Aux tranny Cooler. 60 bucks and two hours of work if you have never done one. Change the fluid every 30,000 to 40,000 miles.
I blew it up with 180,000 launching at the track. The Aux tranny cooler was the ticket. Lots of 3800 supercharged guys put them on.
Basically you send the fluid from the tranny into the tank of the raditor (so the supply to radiator stays stock) Then you pull the return line out of the radiator and install the supplied flared fitting. You hook up the rubber hose from that to the cooler then you run a rubber hose back to a flared fitting you install on the return transmission cooler line. Mount the cooler in front of your radiator and enjoy!

http://www.bernardembden.com/xjs/public/Derale.jpg

Simple diagram, but it is a simple system. If I remeber the lines on the W-body go only into one tank on one side of the radiator.

Change your Supercharger oil every 40,000 miles as well. If you are staying stock, you will have 150,000 miles of trouble free driving easy.
Even if you do exhaust, CAI and 1 size smaller pulley you should still be good to go!

Your car is great Chad! I sure wish I had kept mine. When the Equinox is paid off in 7 months, I will update the Lebaron with an 00 ish Regal GS or GTP for my DD and the Trans Am will sleep except for July and August.

Jesda
07-09-09, 11:27 PM
I second the cooler idea. My Q45 enjoyed 225,000 miles before it needed a tranny rebuild.

LS1Mike
07-09-09, 11:52 PM
I have a HUGE one on my 1 ton truck for towing. I haven't seen the tranny temp guage go over 180 while towing my 5th wheel over the Cascade mountains.
Best piece of mind you can get for your transmission for under 100 bucks!

I~LUV~Caddys8792
07-14-09, 12:24 AM
So, looking at popular modifications for these, what is the first thing you'd recommend? Pulley swap, chip or CAI? The pulley is by far the cheapest.

I'm getting my camera back this weekend, so I'll take some good pics and a few WOT videos to show what a beast she is. And yes, a test drive review is coming as well...I wrote one last week, but it didn't save so I got frustrated and didn't bother rewriting.

dirt_cheap_fleetwood
07-14-09, 12:49 AM
Pulley swap and a chip will give you the most go. However, if you ever decide to get crazy and top it out after a chip (should remove the speed limiter) make sure you know the speed rating limits of your tires first.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
07-19-09, 10:14 PM
Ok, here are the WOT videos I promised. Sorry about the blur in the 1st one, it's hard to drive and videotape at the same time. :lol:

30-100
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50-80
7il-7pPJ4_8

30-70
TUisSNTuRLk

Rolex
07-19-09, 10:21 PM
That thing makes a great noise. What's the potential top speed of the car (given the proper tires)?

dirt_cheap_fleetwood
07-20-09, 12:27 AM
I must race you in the Lincoln now, it would be close. It looks like you accelerate faster than I at 65+ but my car pulls extremely hard from 20-60.

LS1Mike
07-20-09, 02:58 PM
Chad first thing you want to do it get rid of the air box. Get a CAI or make one. Second thing you want to do is get rid of the U-Bend in the exhaust, you sill see it up by the cat. The O2 Sensor goes in there. It slows the exhuast down and causes "boost stacking" My local exhaust shop did it for 30bucks with a new O2 Bung. Next is one size smaller pulley. You can run the car just fine like that without a tune. There is no "Chip" you can get ZZP to reprogram an ECM for you. Don't forget to get the Aux Tranny cooler!!! I can't stress that enough. It should be done before anything else.

Night Wolf
07-20-09, 07:37 PM
I must race you in the Lincoln now, it would be close. It looks like you accelerate faster than I at 65+ but my car pulls extremely hard from 20-60.

Your Mark VII is stock right? I just don't see it being much of a race against a s/c 3800.

I agree with Mike - great, cheap places to start.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
07-20-09, 08:38 PM
Yeah, I agree. A Mark VIII would be close, a Mark VII...not so much. It would be a lot closer with a Series I Supercharged 3800..

Rolex, I think the top end, like most other GM cars from that era, is electronically limited to 108, but I'm not 100% on that.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
07-20-09, 11:59 PM
Ok, better late than never. My test drive review: (written for carsurvey.org)

Test drive review: 2000 Buick Regal GS

Understated luxury, elegance and power.

This car is great for me, I’m 22 and busy trying to further my career, so I don’t need a car that’s going to bury me in expenses, but still want something that’s luxurious and fast. The Regal GS is perfect for that. It has most of the luxuries of a comparable Cadillac, aside from all the complicated electronics, such as the suspension and stability systems, etc etc.

I really like the 1998-04 Seville STS, but I didn’t want to get back into something that was that complicated and expensive (I had a W140 series Mercedes S Class before the Regal), but the Regal GS is like the STS’s little cousin…just like the STS, it’s the sportiest & fastest sedan they offered (well, before Cadillac came out with the CTS), it also has buckets, console and floor shifter, but obviously, it’s not as well equipped as the Seville (heated seats are optional v. standard, and it doesn’t offer active suspension systems, etc etc), but yeah, they’re close in size and power.


Exterior Design: 8.5/10
It’s design isn’t going to win any awards, but it’s not going to steer anyone away because it’s too polarizing. It was pretty aggressive for Buick in 1997, but not as aggressive as the Grand Prix GTP. To sum it up, the best terminology would be “wolf in sheep’s clothing.” In the base LS form, the Regal can look pretty plain, but with the GS package, you get the two tone paint (on most models), body colored grille, more aggressive wheels and less chrome trim, it looks a bit more aggressive.

Interior Design: 8/10.
With a lack of faux wood trim, the Regal’s interior isn’t exactly “Buick Traditional”, but it’s clean and to the point. The dashboard has a nice clean sweep to it, and offers all the necessary instrumentation (tach, speedo, fuel and temp), the gauges are huge and extremely easily readable and offer calming, easy to read teal backlighting at night. There is loads of storage in the center armrest and center console. It’s very deep and very large, yet there isn’t much for organization in them, so it can get cluttered fast and become hard to find smaller objects. My only real complaint against the interior is that it’s only offered in grey and black (aside from the Abboud designer edition, which is offered in either tan or tan/brown), but it offers leather as standard in the GS (cloth in LS). The materials are all pretty decent, but not the best GM had at the time, but that all went in the Cadillacs. Anyways, it’s much better feeling and looking than the ’97 Lumina my dad had (a car that also shared the W-Body platform)



Seating: 9/10
It’s very deep, plush and comfortable, covered in soft leather and supportive for long distances. The front seats offer 6-way power adjustments, but lack power recline or any sort of lumbar, and have optional heat (mine does not). There is more than enough legroom for front passengers, and adequate legroom for rear passengers. Each outboard passenger has their own cupholder, and they’re all solid and deep, and will hold most sizes of beverage.

Engine: 9.7/10
The 3800 is one of the sweetest V6’s ever made. Extremely reliable, powerful (low end torque is it’s forte), smooth, easily modifiable, and very good on gas. When you add a supercharger to it, it get’s much better. It goes from quick to downright fast…0-60 in 6.6 and a 14.8 second ľ mile, and that’s just stock…you can EASILY modify this engine and for cheap too! Mine pulls about 18.5 mpg in city, with mainly short trips and I tend to get aggressive with it too from time to time. If I can “stay out of the boost”, I’ll get 28mpg on the highway. If I get in it, I’ll pull about 24.5-25 MPG.

It’s basically the sweetest engine, most well balanced engine I’ve ever owned. I’m amazed that an old school (it was first used in 1975) OHV V-6 can be this smooth and easily revvable. The only thing that could be any better about this engine is the engine note….it’s rather dull and uninspiring., but other than that, it’s perfect for most every practical, day to day use….reliability, performance, economy, simplicity, ease of ownership, practicality, etc etc. It’s not the most exotic nor fascinating, but it’s perfect for me.

Transmission: 8.5/10
Like most GM Transmissions, shifts are very good..soft and hardly detectible when you’re being light with it, but firm and fast when you’re being aggressive. The early GS’s have a performance shift button that holds gears longer and shifts faster when driven aggressively, otherwise it acts normal when you’re being nice to it. My only worry with the 4T65-E is that it’s overworked with the Supercharged 3800…I’ve heard a lot of horror stories, especially when you’re doing burnouts, but I bought a warranty with the car that covers the transmission if need be. So that eases my mind.

Steering: 9/10
Surprisingly sharp for a Buick…very sporty and precise. It communicates well with the road, yet doesn’t tire you on a long road trip. The wheel is nicely sized and good for one or two handing it, depending on your mood. The wheel’s rim is nicely sized and comfortable for your hands, whether you’re on a short or long trip

Handling/Ride : 8/10
It’s very controlled and quite sporty (although not as much as it’s competitors, the GTP or the Maxima), yet it’s still quite compliant, smooth and comfortable. It’s enjoyable every day and never tiring. A great mixture of Buick ride and Pontiac handling.

Reliability: 8.5/10
All cars have some problems, this is not exempt. My inside rear view auto-dimming mirror is inop, as is the exterior temperature sensor (it reads weird temperatures…always too cold) and there’s a rattle near one of the rear speakers when the bass is high, but that’s it so far. Not bad for 9 years and 60k miles. These cars seem to be pretty durable though, based on other reviews I’ve read.


Overall: 90/100.
I’m really glad I bought this car. It’s fun to drive, luxurious and reasonably elegant without being offputting, ostentatious or over the top. I don’t feel like I have to baby this car and be overly protective with it at all times. I’m not paranoid about owning it…I just drive it and enjoy it. It’s a nice, if not perfect, mixture of luxury and performance for blue-collared Midwest America. It’s easy to own and live with and very easy on the pocketbook. My first car was a ’95 Roadmaster Limited, and I’m happy to be back in a Buick.

orconn
07-21-09, 12:44 AM
After all the discussion and advice I'm glad the Buick Regal GS is working out for you. It's a lot more car than you expect and is especially well suited for American driving. Hope you continue to enjoy it.

Red_October_7000
07-21-09, 01:45 AM
Yeah, I agree. A Mark VIII would be close, a Mark VII...not so much. It would be a lot closer with a Series I Supercharged 3800..

Rolex, I think the top end, like most other GM cars from that era, is electronically limited to 108, but I'm not 100% on that.

It's either 110 or 115. The speedo on my old Buick stopped at 100, but I had it cranked around to "Park" several times. I got it up to about 111 on the GPS once but had to back off, so I'm not sure which it is exactly. My girlfriend's daughter's stupid boyfriend once got his Pontiac Grand Prix (1999) up to 115, got pulled over, and got nabbed for OWI, reckless driving, etc. I think he gets his lisence back some time this year...

AMGoff
07-21-09, 02:24 PM
My only worry with the 4T65-E is that itís overworked with the Supercharged 3800ÖIíve heard a lot of horror stories, especially when youíre doing burnouts...

Just one thing... You don't have no stinkin', plain-jane 4T65-E... As I've mentioned before - you have a much improved, heavy-duty model which is more than capable of handling the car's torque figures.

Also, I'm not sure if you've posted this yet Chad, but I'd still like to know what the manufacture date was on your GS, so to figure out whether your car has the upgraded valve-body or not...

I~LUV~Caddys8792
07-21-09, 08:42 PM
Just one thing... You don't have no stinkin', plain-jane 4T65-E... As I've mentioned before - you have a much improved, heavy-duty model which is more than capable of handling the car's torque figures.

Also, I'm not sure if you've posted this yet Chad, but I'd still like to know what the manufacture date was on your GS, so to figure out whether your car has the upgraded valve-body or not...

I thought all 4T65-E's were the HD version? What else were they used in?

It was built on 12/3/99.

dirt_cheap_fleetwood
07-21-09, 08:55 PM
You would beat me Chad, but from a rolling start at 20 to about 70 it would be close. That, of course, would be if the trans hadn't taken a dump on me last night. :(

Jesda
07-21-09, 09:29 PM
It sounds SO much nicer than the Century. Its amazing how much nicer the Regals are. Any more interior pics?

hueterm
07-21-09, 09:36 PM
You would beat me Chad, but from a rolling start at 20 to about 70 it would be close. That, of course, would be if the trans hadn't taken a dump on me last night. :(


Oh crap.... :thepan:

96Fleetwood
07-21-09, 09:48 PM
You would beat me Chad, but from a rolling start at 20 to about 70 it would be close. That, of course, would be if the trans hadn't taken a dump on me last night. :(

These damn Ford products :nono:!!! One of the airbags in the rear suspension of the Marauder is blown.... I ordered the parts to convert it to the P71 rear shocks/springs.

Chad, how about Northstar vs. 3800 S/C vs. Marauder (4.6 DOHC 32 valve) ?? !!!

AMGoff
07-21-09, 09:48 PM
I thought all 4T65-E's were the HD version? What else were they used in?

It was built on 12/3/99.

Negatory... Not all 4T65Es are created equal. While all were an all-around improvement over the 4T60, there were different versions. Two of which used a larger torque converter... While the HD also benefited from a beefed-up gearbox, namely - a stronger differential and half-shafts.

It was by far the best of the 4T65Es as well as being the least trouble-prone... So much, that it's still being used with the LS4-equipped front-drivers.

So, as I've said before... Stop worrying and give her the beans - she was built for it!

hueterm
07-21-09, 10:38 PM
When you blow the tranny at the track, just send the bill to Adam :bouncy:

:hide:

LS1Mike
07-21-09, 10:57 PM
AUX COOLER!
I have 3 3800 powered cars 1 supercharged. All had an Aux cooler installed by me.

dirt_cheap_fleetwood
07-21-09, 11:09 PM
These damn Ford products :nono:!!! One of the airbags in the rear suspension of the Marauder is blown.... I ordered the parts to convert it to the P71 rear shocks/springs.

Yeah, it pisses me off. The trans is actually fine but one of the vacuum lines has a really bad leak so the trans shifts waaaay to early in all gears and slips horribly in overdrive. It tries to shift into overdrive at 33mph which damn near kills the engine. I have just been driving it in 3rd and will fix it when I have the time.

hueterm
07-21-09, 11:30 PM
How hard would it be to put the P71 suspension in a Town Car?

Rodya234
07-21-09, 11:31 PM
^ when you fix your trans...... (:thepan:)

...turrrrrbo charge the Lincoln! Then you'll leave Chad (and 99% of everything) in the wind! :bighead:

I~LUV~Caddys8792
07-21-09, 11:32 PM
John, do u have the AOD?

Night Wolf
07-22-09, 01:03 AM
Yeah, it pisses me off. The trans is actually fine but one of the vacuum lines has a really bad leak so the trans shifts waaaay to early in all gears and slips horribly in overdrive. It tries to shift into overdrive at 33mph which damn near kills the engine. I have just been driving it in 3rd and will fix it when I have the time.

Have you checked the TV bushings? By check I mean replace because they are cheap and easy.... and if they fail will ruin the trans in a matter of miles.


How hard would it be to put the P71 suspension in a Town Car?

1) Acquire desired P71 parts
2) Bolt in said Town Car

I know someone selling a sweet Town Car that would be a great base to that road rocket canyon carving TC you've always wanted to build ;) :hint: :hint:

dirt_cheap_fleetwood
07-22-09, 05:02 AM
Chad, yes, four speed auto trans.

Rick, no I have not replaced them. I know my current issue is a vacuum thing because I can hear the leak from within the center console. The preventative stuff will get taken care of later. I still have yet to replace my dying power steering pump.

Okay, I'm done hijacking Chad's thread.

hueterm
07-22-09, 11:40 AM
Have you checked the TV bushings? By check I mean replace because they are cheap and easy.... and if they fail will ruin the trans in a matter of miles.



1) Acquire desired P71 parts
2) Bolt in said Town Car

I know someone selling a sweet Town Car that would be a great base to that road rocket canyon carving TC you've always wanted to build ;) :hint: :hint:


I know you do, and thanks for the hint. Yours is a nice example. However, if I were to ever go the TC route, I'd want an '01-'02 Touring Sedan w/moonroof and heated seats. Then bolt on the P71 suspension and mod the engine to where it had some extra oomph -- not sure how much more you can tweak them......

I~LUV~Caddys8792
07-25-09, 04:01 AM
Here, I FINALLY did a 0-60 video. Times out to be about 6.8 seconds, which is right on track with what I've read about these.

q4R3Se8COmM

Tonight, I also found out what the top speed is....115.

gdwriter
07-25-09, 04:10 AM
Very nice. That looks to be similar to what I got with Sabrina. Nice tire squeal, too.

dirt_cheap_fleetwood
07-25-09, 12:13 PM
You got me beat. Last time I timed the Lincoln it was around 9 seconds.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
07-25-09, 01:35 PM
You got me beat. Last time I timed the Lincoln it was around 9 seconds.

No way! Really? I thought they were more like 7.5-8.0 or so.

dirt_cheap_fleetwood
07-25-09, 02:34 PM
Its old and beat up. It won't even squeal the tires when I punch it from a dead stop. After I do some work I could probably get it that fast, but as of now it could use some refreshing under the hood.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
09-10-09, 11:51 PM
So I'm at a crossroads with the Regal. I want to start modifying the car, but if I do that, it'll void my warranty. I'm thinking about cancelling my warranty, and getting $1810 back towards the loan, but I'm just wondering if these cars have any specific costly problems that I'll need the warranty for.

Window regulators/motors seem to be fairly common on the W-Bodies, and those are fairly costly. Anything else?


I wanna get modding so bad!!!! :D :D :D

jey
09-11-09, 12:30 AM
Holy cow that's an expensive warranty. Even if something serious happened surely it wouldn't cost $1800 to fix a Buick?

I~LUV~Caddys8792
09-11-09, 12:39 AM
Well, if the tranny or supercharger goes... Not that it would, but if...

Besides, I'm a stickler for fluid flushes (it comes with the job), and we all know if you maintain it properly, odds are it won't fail. Plus, the company that I work for (BG) backs up their products with a free "protection plan", so if something does go awry after the fluid flush was done, BG will pay to get it fixed.

Aron9000
09-11-09, 01:48 AM
Dump that damn warranty. Even if the transmission grenades, it'll cost about $1800 to have it rebuilt.

If you do up the boost on your car, read up on how to do it right. You need to make sure its tuned properly and getting enough fuel for the extra air you are putting in the motor. That's how most people blow up their turbo and supercharged motors, they do all these mods and have a shit tune that runs it lean and grenades the motor.

96Fleetwood
09-11-09, 08:52 AM
Neglecting maintenance is the biggest mistake most make when modifying a used vehicle. Make sure you use your money to bring the Regal up to date with all services before you add any strain. I spent a tad over $1K on the Mark already to make sure it can handle the upcoming mods.

eldorado99
09-11-09, 11:58 AM
Well, if the tranny or supercharger goes... Not that it would, but if...

Besides, I'm a stickler for fluid flushes (it comes with the job), and we all know if you maintain it properly, odds are it won't fail. Plus, the company that I work for (BG) backs up their products with a free "protection plan", so if something does go awry after the fluid flush was done, BG will pay to get it fixed.

The supercharger is very unlikely to go. The only thing that will probably happen to it is the coupler will go at some point (it will sound like there is a rock bouncing around inside your supercharger). Buy a new coupler from ZZP for 30 bucks and spend a couple hours replacing it (and your supercharger fluid) and you are good to go. Your transmission may go at some point but you've already spent the money on your warranty to replace it, so why not just get that money back in case it doesn't break, because it very well may not.

Other things to watch out for (at higher miles) are: ignition switch, blower motor resistor, the stock plastic belt tensioners, fuel pump resistor, and as you stated the window regulators. That's all I can think of at the moment. My list is generated from my experience with GTPs so it is possible it is slightly different that your Buick, though I think all those parts are the same on both. At much higher miles your wheel bearing assemblies may go. If you ever get a CEL make sure your gas cap is on real tight and reset the CEL because my GTPs seem to have been pretty sensitive to me not closing the gas cap properly (I used to close it until I heard 1 or 2 clicks). If you start to notice a whining sound and harsher shifting in your transmission it is probably the presure control solenoid (Code P1811) which is a somewhat expensive repair unfortunately.

Also, I assume your Buick has had the recall repair done on it for the engine fires? As you probably already know it involved replacing the front valve cover gasket and re-routing the spark plug wires. I replaced my injector O-rings as well just for piece of mind even though the recall doesn't say anything about them, but for the 2 bucks it costs to get O-rings, why not?

If you want to buy modding parts make sure you check out: http://www.zzperformance.com/
I've been getting all my parts from there since I got my first GTP a few years ago, great service. They also have tutorials on the proper order to do mods in to have minimum KR which is what will blow up your engine.

Aron9000
09-11-09, 07:23 PM
Neglecting maintenance is the biggest mistake most make when modifying a used vehicle. Make sure you use your money to bring the Regal up to date with all services before you add any strain. I spent a tad over $1K on the Mark already to make sure it can handle the upcoming mods.

I'm just curious as to how you can spend 1k in preventive maintence:bonkers:

Unless you had to redo the air suspension on that car or swap it over to conventional springs and shocks, I could see that costing a pretty penny.

96Fleetwood
09-12-09, 12:05 AM
I'm just curious as to how you can spend 1k in preventive maintence:bonkers:

Unless you had to redo the air suspension on that car or swap it over to conventional springs and shocks, I could see that costing a pretty penny.

It already had a lowering kit with springs and shocks when I bought it.. but that kit prematurely wore out the control arms, tie rods, ball joints, and a few more items... also had to replace two coilpacks due to a surge at idle, full tune up, all fluids changed, new driver's door lock actuator, blend door for hvac, camber kit w/alignment, two new tires.. and a few more odds and ends. The car only has 39K miles, but it is 11 years old.. and I am a stickler to have my cars in good running condition.

Aron9000
09-12-09, 12:21 AM
It already had a lowering kit with springs and shocks when I bought it.. but that kit prematurely wore out the control arms, tie rods, ball joints, and a few more items... also had to replace two coilpacks due to a surge at idle, full tune up, all fluids changed, new driver's door lock actuator, blend door for hvac, camber kit w/alignment, two new tires.. and a few more odds and ends. The car only has 39K miles, but it is 11 years old.. and I am a stickler to have my cars in good running condition.

Okay, I could see how you spent 1k now if you had to replace ball joints, tie rods, etc. I'd love to own a Mark VIII, but that damn problematic air suspension has really kept me from buying one. It really is a superior car to the 90's Eldorado, even though I prefer the crisper styling of the Eldo.

dirt_cheap_fleetwood
09-12-09, 03:03 AM
Mark VIIs are 10x times better looking though, but my opinion may be a little biased. :D

Aron9000
09-12-09, 03:28 AM
Mark VIIs are 10x times better looking though, but my opinion may be a little biased. :D

Yeah, the Mark VII is the ultimate 1980's personal luxury coupe, it occupies that same space in my mind as a BMW 6 series or a Benz SEC. The 80-85 Eldorado looked really cool, but it was a turd performance wise. The 86-87 Eldorado is perhaps GM's worst attempt ever at a car, it looked like a 2 door Grand Am. The 87-91 cars infused some Cadillac styling cues, but IMO they still look way too similar to the same year Riveria or Toranado.


Lincoln was firing on all eight cylinders with the Mark VII in the 80's, it was a very distinctive and stylish car with the same RWD dynamics the Europeans were offering.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
09-12-09, 03:31 AM
Mark VII's are great, but I also liked the 1990-92 Toronado Trofeo from a styling and handling perspective as well. It's too bad they never offered the supercharged 3.8 with it. The '79-85 Toronado/Riviera and Eldorado are the best looking coupes of that era, but like you said, they were a turd as far as performance went.

dirt_cheap_fleetwood
09-12-09, 10:49 AM
Early 80's Riviera convertible. :drool:

gdwriter
09-13-09, 02:58 AM
I think my extended warranty (48 months/36,000 miles) for the Seville was about $900. Very good insurance for a decent price.

dirt_cheap_fleetwood
09-28-09, 03:58 PM
Okay Chad, here ya go. I finally got around to doing the work necessary to the Lincoln and taking some videos. I did front brakes and all new ignition including E3 Diamondfire plugs, some 9mm Ford Racing wire (yes, I bought them because they are blue), MSD coil and cap and rotor. I also redid the entire stereo system. I have 3-way 6.5" speakers up front with 150hz bass blockers and 4-way 6x9 speakers in the rear deck. It sounds AMAZING!


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I~LUV~Caddys8792
09-28-09, 09:50 PM
Cool vids John, nice to finally see an acceleration video! How fast will that go, anyways?

dirt_cheap_fleetwood
09-28-09, 11:03 PM
I have had it GPS confirmed at 115, but I have a tire out of balance so didn't push it past that. As you can see the speedo stops at 90.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
09-28-09, 11:19 PM
The font that Ford used on all their labels in the '80s always cracks me up.

"Electronic Climate Control"

thebigjimsho
09-28-09, 11:39 PM
3 way and 4 way speakers? WalMart specials??

dirt_cheap_fleetwood
09-29-09, 01:31 AM
Crutchfield specials. I was on a budget and just about anything was better than the factory ones. I only paid $1500 for the car so I am not gonna invest much into it.