: What Do You Think Are The Most Hideous Abominations on The Road?



Gristle Boy
07-03-09, 06:28 PM
What vehicles annoy you by their very existence or leave you wondering if the designers were high?

I'm thinking mass produced, North American market stuff. Some of mine:

An old favorite - just screams filthy, lazy hippie.
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l104/Roblin_GMV/Roblins%20Garage/86NissMult01.jpg

Breathtakingly grim...
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x133/ashley_wickline/honda.jpg

Unbelievable.... :rice2:
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff65/Carlos_DeX/ToYoTaEcHo-2.jpg

orconn
07-03-09, 07:43 PM
The Pontiac Aztec springs immediately to mind. I don't know how they drive, but their looks would justify a class action lawsuit on behalf of the Mexican people for defamation of their national heritage! Think not, what if it had been called the "Canuck" instead of the Aztek ... I'll bet our neighbors to the North would have closed the borders and embargoed all American cars.

Kev
07-03-09, 07:52 PM
This is the first abortion to pop into my mind when I saw this thread.

http://www.painkillerz.ca/images/2007_images//vw_minibus60_sanfrancisco.jpg

http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/blog2/20060925/VWBus01-1159207532799-440_330.jpg

http://www.classicrallies.com/img/pictures/5990_mid.jpg

Kev
07-03-09, 07:52 PM
Ok, what do I win? :cool:

Ranger
07-03-09, 07:54 PM
Scion XB and the Smart car. :vomit:

eyekandyboats.inc
07-03-09, 08:46 PM
this
http://jalopnik.com/assets/resources/2008/06/Sweet-Custom-Cadillac-Seville.jpg

Ranger
07-03-09, 09:16 PM
:histeric:

billc83
07-03-09, 09:25 PM
^ Where'd you find a picture of me next to my hot ride?

gdwriter
07-03-09, 09:28 PM
This POS:

http://www.carlustblog.com/images/2008/06/06/pulsar1.jpg

One of my best friends -- with spectacularly bad taste in cars -- owned one. Not only was it butt-ugly, a kid on a skateboard was faster. His died before 100K miles. OK, he wasn't the greatest about maintenance, but still.

Eric Kahn
07-03-09, 09:45 PM
this
http://jalopnik.com/assets/resources/2008/06/Sweet-Custom-Cadillac-Seville.jpg

DING!!!!!! we have a winner!!!!

77CDV
07-03-09, 09:47 PM
Scion xA, with the Chevy Aveo a very close second.

gary88
07-03-09, 10:28 PM
Prius
H2
H3

Destroyer
07-03-09, 10:56 PM
What vehicles annoy you by their very existence

Pretty much anything with one of these under the hood. Funny how crappy engineering and reliability can make exterior bodywork look ugly. But it does. :eek::eek:

Destroyer
07-03-09, 11:02 PM
DING!!!!!! we have a winner!!!!What is it about this model car that attracts retards?. Witness exhibit B:

hueterm
07-03-09, 11:03 PM
Why is this not a surprise? ^^^ (Post #13)

Playdrv4me
07-03-09, 11:27 PM
ANY Non-Cadillac from this era of GM... GOD I hate these cars. Yes, even more than the downsized replacements.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f6/81-85_Oldsmobile_Delta_88.jpg/800px-81-85_Oldsmobile_Delta_88.jpg

Seriously, who bought these turds?!?

ryannel2003
07-03-09, 11:30 PM
That is one clean Northstar.

hueterm
07-03-09, 11:35 PM
I think the 98s and Electras were OK, but the 88s, LeSabres, Parisiennes, and Caprices were pretty blah. But so were the Crown Vics and Grand Marquis of the same time.

orconn
07-03-09, 11:38 PM
ANY Non-Cadillac from this era of GM... GOD I hate these cars. Yes, even more than the downsized replacements.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f6/81-85_Oldsmobile_Delta_88.jpg/800px-81-85_Oldsmobile_Delta_88.jpg

Seriously, who bought these turds?!?

Actually they drove pretty well compared to what they replaced. All things are relative and the 1977 GM downsized cars were a breath of fresh air after the final romp of the road dinsaurs of the early 1970's.

I totally disagree that the early (or any of the) 1980's GM cars were an improvement. The 1979 Eldorado being the exception.

Destroyer
07-04-09, 12:18 AM
ANY Non-Cadillac from this era of GM... GOD I hate these cars. Yes, even more than the downsized replacements.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f6/81-85_Oldsmobile_Delta_88.jpg/800px-81-85_Oldsmobile_Delta_88.jpg

Seriously, who bought these turds?!?I had several of these turds and loved everyone of them. Well not the Olds but I had Buick Lesabre's, Caprices, Fleetwood Broughams and so forth. The Olds 98 was no different. Great cars.

blue07cts
07-04-09, 12:19 AM
http://cache.jalopnik.com/assets/resources/2007/05/plymturb.jpg
http://www.calculateme.com/car-pictures/honda-insight.jpg
http://www.rayflaherty.com/assets/images/dodge_neon600x300.jpg

nuff said

Playdrv4me
07-04-09, 12:48 AM
I had several of these turds and loved everyone of them. Well not the Olds but I had Buick Lesabre's, Caprices, Fleetwood Broughams and so forth. The Olds 98 was no different. Great cars.

Yuck. Frankly, I'd rather drive the N* (and pay for the repairs) than be stuck with one of those atrocities... ESPECIALLY the Delta 88.

The Brougham and Caprice are an entirely different story. Those looked good because they had either clean squared off ends (Caprice), or ornate bodywork front and rear (the Brougham). Different car-line, but I also had no problem at all with the Regal.

Playdrv4me
07-04-09, 12:52 AM
http://www.rayflaherty.com/assets/images/dodge_neon600x300.jpg

nuff said

Obviously you found one in the WORST possible color, but I had no problem with these Neons. My dad had one and it was a fine little car.

dirt_cheap_fleetwood
07-04-09, 01:01 AM
I hate these in general, especially with rims.


http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/8/web/2264000-2264999/2264071_9_full.jpg

Jesda
07-04-09, 03:46 AM
Chevy Cavalier. Doesn't help that the losers who owned them let them fall apart for the public to see.

tdyguy2k
07-04-09, 08:09 AM
Toyota Prius. They just disgust me.

Rodya234
07-04-09, 01:41 PM
I hate the Chrysler LX cars. They're quite boxy (not cool boxy like a Deville :shhh:) and the people who own them think they're THE BEST FRIGGIN' CAR EVAR!!!!!!

Now that I think about it, I think I hate all Chyslers. I mean, look at the ugly Town and Country/Caravan, and the Sebring doesn't really help their case either.

Rolex
07-04-09, 02:30 PM
#1 Pontiac Aztec
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v305/rolex/images-3.jpg

close #2 is the PT Cruiser convertible :ack:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v305/rolex/pt-cruiser-convertible-2007.jpg

C0RSA1R
07-04-09, 02:53 PM
My vote is for either the PT Cruiser or the Toyota RAV4. Both vehicles disgust me. I think the PT Cruiser actually is a decent mechanical automobile, but the bodystyle is hideous.

C0RSA1R
07-04-09, 02:55 PM
this
http://jalopnik.com/assets/resources/2008/06/Sweet-Custom-Cadillac-Seville.jpg

Yeah, you think this car is disgusting . . .

Until the zombie apocalypse happens. The error of your ways will become clear in time. :yup:

Gristle Boy
07-04-09, 03:25 PM
Seems like I'm always stuck behind one of theses pieces of crap. :ack:
http://i713.photobucket.com/albums/ww138/Buzzcut2051/rav%204/DSC00232.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll84/goldenstarauto/Inventory015-6.jpg

Happy 4th from the Great White North :patriot:

orconn
07-04-09, 04:46 PM
I hate these in general, especially with rims.


http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/8/web/2264000-2264999/2264071_9_full.jpg

Actually, all things considered, it could have been much worse. Let's hope the creator of this car never meets the "Bustleback Zoombieman!"

MauiV
07-04-09, 05:56 PM
http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w52/jdinmaui/neon2.jpg

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w52/jdinmaui/e7e1328b.jpg

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w52/jdinmaui/c758967a.jpg

To top off the ugly it even has Welds. The lamest, plainest most played out rims anyone has ever spent money on.

AMGoff
07-04-09, 07:29 PM
Now that I think about it, I think I hate all Chyslers. I mean, look at the ugly Town and Country/Caravan, and the Sebring doesn't really help their case either.

How ironic... I feel the same exact way about teenagers who say such things, despite having not been around long enough to even remember any pre-Daimler models - let alone the really good stuff. :hmm:

Go figure... To each his own.

Kev
07-04-09, 07:38 PM
Now that I think about it, I think I hate all Chyslers. I mean, look at the ugly Town and Country/Caravan, and the Sebring doesn't really help their case either.How ironic... I feel the same exact way about teenagers who say such things, despite having not been around long enough to really even remember any pre-Diamler models. :hmm:

Go figure... To each his own.See, here's where you err Goff, (not that you would care what I think ... ) the kid is 16, we expect immaturity from him and yes, he was not around to appreciate any of the truly magnificent MOPARs. Come to think of it, they were before your time too. Anyway, do you really want to revert 20 years to his level?

Yeah, Ok, never mind ......

:rolleyes:

AMGoff
07-04-09, 08:06 PM
See, here's where you err Goff, (not that you would care what I think ... )

Kudos... You've earned yourself a drink for that revelation :thumbsup:


the kid is 16, we expect immaturity from him and yes, he was not around to appreciate any of the truly magnificent MOPARs. Come to think of it, they were before your time too. Anyway, do you really want to revert 20 years to his level?

Yeah, Ok, never mind ......

:rolleyes:

Hmm... What's worse - a regression of 20 years or one of 33? :eek:

orconn
07-04-09, 08:10 PM
See, here's where you err Goff, (not that you would care what I think ... ) the kid is 16, we expect immaturity from him and yes, he was not around to appreciate any of the truly magnificent MOPARs. Come to think of it, they were before your time too. Anyway, do you really want to revert 20 years to his level?

Yeah, Ok, never mind ......

:rolleyes:

Couldn't have said better! The "Sage of Woodstown, N.J." strikes again!

I~LUV~Caddys8792
07-04-09, 08:11 PM
Let's see, cars I don't like that are on the roads a lot today...

Prius or any other hybrid
H2
H3
300/Charger

Jesda
07-04-09, 08:27 PM
any other hybrid...

Even...

http://puregreencars.com/files/2009-Escalade-Hybrid.jpg

?

AMGoff
07-04-09, 08:33 PM
Couldn't have said better! The "Sage of Woodstown, N.J." strikes again!

As does the "Codger of Midlothian, VA."

Such comments could almost appear noble, if it weren't for the fact that it's always the same couple of people who seem to always get their panties in a bunch. ;)

BTW - It's the next town over. :thumbsup:

Rodya234
07-04-09, 11:39 PM
How ironic... I feel the same exact way about teenagers who say such things, despite having not been around long enough to even remember any pre-Daimler models - let alone the really good stuff. :hmm:

Go figure... To each his own.

Fine, I'll reword my statement and say all current Chyslers.

Better?

Destroyer
07-04-09, 11:45 PM
http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w52/jdinmaui/neon2.jpg

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w52/jdinmaui/e7e1328b.jpg

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w52/jdinmaui/c758967a.jpg

To top off the ugly it even has Welds. The lamest, plainest most played out rims anyone has ever spent money on.
I actually kinda like both these cars. :alchi:

Aron9000
07-05-09, 04:00 PM
I'd pimp the 4x4 Neon if it had a v8 under the hood.

http://www.automedia.com/NewCarBuyersGuide2007/photos/2007/Chrysler/Sebring/Sedan/2007_Chrysler_Sebring_ext_1.jpg

This has to be the worst engineered, ugliest POS on the road today. I drove my grandpa's 2005 Sebring sedan yesterday. It was leaps and bounds a better car in terms of build quality and design than the new one. His had 40k miles on it and it didn't have one squeak or rattle.

Sevillian273
07-05-09, 04:16 PM
That El-Camino-Testarossa-Camaro is from Ashland, Kentucky. Go figure.

I still think its friggin cool!

But not as cool as the 4x4 Neon!!

hueterm
07-05-09, 04:39 PM
I L-O-A-T-H-E that "Hybrid" decal on the bottom of the GMT-900 hybrids. The green Hybrid X emblem is quite sufficient. You don't see Camrys running around w/HYBRID spray painted everywhere. What a joke...

Quit whoring yourself to the greens, GM -- they're going to hate you no matter what you do.

hardrockcamaro@mac.c
07-05-09, 06:31 PM
Pretty much anything with one of these under the hood. Funny how crappy engineering and reliability can make exterior bodywork look ugly. But it does. :eek::eek:

Are you crazy?!?!

:cookoo:


The Northstar is one of the finest engines ever made.

It's smooth, quiet and powerful with some innovative features like the zero coolant limp home mode.

It practically saved Cadillac, and introduced the marque to an important younger audience.

I've met many people in the UK who only have a passing interest in cars, are not aware Cadillac ever sold any here, and even they have heard of it.

A higher than average number of head gasket failures don't make it a total rightoff. Most engines have some intrinsic flaw, many mid 90s M3's had serious problems with their aluminium heads falling apart, the Rover k series engine had major head gasket problems all its (very long) life.

As far as I'm concerned I wouldn't touch a cadillac that didn't have one. The older ones were under powered and the Chevy V8 powered ones are simple a non-exclusive engine which lets down the prestige of the car.


Now, if you were to say the Catara I'd agree with you...
:bonkers:

Eric Kahn
07-05-09, 07:32 PM
to me the Pontiac aztec is one of the ugliest things ever put on the road
and the 4.9 used before the northstar is quite powerful, it just has a low horsepower rating (200) since it was designed for low end torque, what you use in driving 99% of the time

Rodya234
07-05-09, 08:04 PM
The 4.9 is the best Cadillac engine ever. Period.

Remember that horsepower can be thought of as a measure of torque at RPM. The 4.9 only has a lower horsepower rating because it makes it's torque at a low RPM. The Northstar has more horsepower because it continues making torque at a higher RPM band, due to its DOHC design. However, max torque is actually quite similar for both engines. (The biggest difference between the two in torque is only 25lb-ft.)

Destroyer
07-05-09, 08:07 PM
The Northstar is one of the finest engines ever made.

It's smooth, quiet and powerful with some innovative features like the zero coolant limp home mode.

It practically saved Cadillac, and introduced the marque to an important younger audience. What makes it one of the "finest engines made"? Is it the power output or the reliability?




A higher than average number of head gasket failures don't make it a total rightoff. Most engines have some intrinsic flaw, many mid 90s M3's had serious problems with their aluminium heads falling apart, the Rover k series engine had major head gasket problems all its (very long) life.
I go to a lot of auctions, many have cars in them. EVERYTIME there is a N* powered car in the auction there are always people standing and talking near them during preview about how they should be avoided and how problem prone they and about the H/G issues. I'd say that in the long run the N* hurt Cadillacs reputation severely. Notice how cheap Cadillacs are in the used car market? Limp home wasn't innovative it was necessary.

hardrockcamaro@mac.c
07-05-09, 08:08 PM
I agree low-mid torque is more useful, especially with heavy cars.

The Northstar matched the torque figure (and even exceeded it) with a smaller engine, but of course it is waker lower down with the headline figure only really arriving at around 3,500-4k.

Still a great engine though, happy to provide good off the line performance on the lightest of throttle for normal driving in near silence, but will scream to the rev line at well over 6,000rpm and pull like a freight train while doing so. And sounds quite nice doing it. A real Jekyll and Hyde engine.

Mind you the only place online I see putting this engine down is this forum.
It always amazes me how the whole issue gets blown way out of proportion by a lot of people on here...


While we didn't get many Northstars in the UK, probably around 1,000 in the initial 98-02 run I'd say, I only know of one with a blown head gasket (and it's a small world over here). I know of a lot of mid 90's V6 Mustangs with blown head gaskets though, and a lot of burnt out TH700R4 transmissions. I've seen a lot of blown head gaskets on small block Chevy's too along with various other "common problems. Maybe out 98 on Sevilles are just too new to display many symptoms? Who knows...

Sadly if mine eventually goes the car will have to go in the bin as places over here aren't set up to deal with them which means it would be a $5,000+ repair, which is probably the same as what the car is worth...



Anyhow, sorry for going off topic...


I submit this, the Lancia Thesis:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/69/Lancia_Thesis_Kappa_20071211.jpg/800px-Lancia_Thesis_Kappa_20071211.jpg

It sells at over $60,000 new....

It's worse because it's Italian. I expect a better sense of style from them. This looks like a Huyndai...

Destroyer
07-05-09, 08:10 PM
That El-Camino-Testarossa-Camaro is from Ashland, Kentucky. Go figure.

I still think its friggin cool!

But not as cool as the 4x4 Neon!!I agree. I'd take that Neon over a stock one anyday!

hardrockcamaro@mac.c
07-05-09, 08:18 PM
What makes it one of the "finest engines made"? Is it the power output or the reliability?


I go to a lot of auctions, many have cars in them. EVERYTIME there is a N* powered car in the auction there are always people standing and talking near them during preview about how they should be avoided and how problem prone they and about the H/G issues. I'd say that in the long run the N* hurt Cadillacs reputation severely. Notice how cheap Cadillacs are in the used car market? Limp home wasn't innovative it was necessary.


So what percentage of Northstar cars cars suffer from head gasket failure and what is the industry average percentage? I bet the numbers are a lot closer than you'd think. While the cars may well have a higher rate of head gasket failure than many others they're no the only engines with that issue (higher than industry average hg failure). but reading on here you'd think every single one is going to have a very early death. Heck after buying mine I joined here and thought I'd made a huge mistake. Almost 4 years and 50 thousand miles later and no signs of any problems (but meticulous maintenance by me) I'm glad I ignored this place.

Any car can fail, some will fail more than others due to an intrinsic flaw in the design or manufacturing process. But this forum writes off all cars with that engine as if it's a guaranteed thing.

I'll bet you that the number of Northstars on the road that got to say 10(?) years old without a head gasket problem *massively* outweigh those that didn't. And I mean MASSIVELY. I bet the ones that dies of HG death are a single digit percentage, if that.

orconn
07-05-09, 08:20 PM
I agree low-mid torque is more useful, especially with heavy cars.

The Northstar matched the torque figure (and even exceeded it) with a smaller engine, but of course it is waker lower down with the headline figure only really arriving at around 3,500-4k.

Still a great engine though, happy to provide good off the line performance on the lightest of throttle for normal driving in near silence, but will scream to the rev line at well over 6,000rpm and pull like a freight train while doing so. And sounds quite nice doing it. A real Jekyll and Hyde engine.

Mind you the only place online I see putting this engine down is this forum.
It always amazes me how the whole issue gets blown way out of proportion by a lot of people on here...


While we didn't get many Northstars in the UK, probably around 1,000 in the initial 98-02 run I'd say, I only know of one with a blown head gasket (and it's a small world over here). I know of a lot of mid 90's V6 Mustangs with blown head gaskets though, and a lot of burnt out TH700R4 transmissions. I've seen a lot of blown head gaskets on small block Chevy's too along with various other "common problems. Maybe out 98 on Sevilles are just too new to display many symptoms? Who knows...

Sadly if mine eventually goes the car will have to go in the bin as places over here aren't set up to deal with them which means it would be a $5,000+ repair, which is probably the same as what the car is worth...



Anyhow, sorry for going off topic...


I submit this, the Lancia Thesis:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/69/Lancia_Thesis_Kappa_20071211.jpg/800px-Lancia_Thesis_Kappa_20071211.jpg

It sells at over $60,000 new....

It's worse because it's Italian. I expect a better sense of style from them. This looks like a Huyndai...

When the Italians get it wrong they really get it wrong ....... the Lancia in your picture does look like a Hyundai. Actually what appears to be a older Lancia behind the maroon car looks better. Neither one looks like a $60K car.

Rodya234
07-05-09, 08:44 PM
Any car can fail, some will fail more than others due to an intrinsic flaw in the design or manufacturing process. But this forum writes off all cars with that engine as if it's a guaranteed thing.


The worst years for N* head gaskets are '97-'99. According to the poll on the N* forum, these years account for 68% of the total number. The ones before '97 and after '99 seem to be MUCH less trouble prone; these years account for about 2% (each) of the total head gasket problems, according to the poll.

According to this information, there must have been a manufacturing anomaly between 1997 and 1999.

Caddyshack100
07-05-09, 08:52 PM
I am really impressed Hardrock that you were able to put 50k miles on your car in England, with your traffic you must be avoiding London...lol

However as for Road Abominations in my humble opinion only

The Nissan Murono/Infinity 45/35 or whatever number they use for it.. Total Pregnant Egg on wheels
GM cross overs (see above)

gary88
07-05-09, 09:07 PM
Oh wow I completely forgot how much I hate the new Infiniti EX35. I could just barely tolerate the looks of the FX35, but this is just game over.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v222/gheb88/2008-Infiniti-EX35-15.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v222/gheb88/2008infinitiex35-b.jpg

hueterm
07-05-09, 11:24 PM
The worst years for N* head gaskets are '97-'99. According to the poll on the N* forum, these years account for 68% of the total number. The ones before '97 and after '99 seem to be MUCH less trouble prone; these years account for about 2% (each) of the total head gasket problems, according to the poll.

According to this information, there must have been a manufacturing anomaly between 1997 and 1999.


Well, let's keep our fingers crossed that this is correct. I have a '95 and an '00.

orconn
07-05-09, 11:32 PM
The worst years for N* head gaskets are '97-'99. According to the poll on the N* forum, these years account for 68% of the total number. The ones before '97 and after '99 seem to be MUCH less trouble prone; these years account for about 2% (each) of the total head gasket problems, according to the poll.

According to this information, there must have been a manufacturing anomaly between 1997 and 1999.

I agree with hueterm; my wife's '93 STS went from 48k miles to 96k miles with no head gasket. My '95 STS is on its'fifth year with me and gone from 42k miles to 77k miles again with no headgasket problems. My wife's 2002 SLS is going on two years gone from 23k miles to 36k miles so far no problems other than maintenance. So I too will be hoping for the best from these cars.

Eld01
07-06-09, 08:28 AM
The Pontiac Aztec springs immediately to mind. I don't know how they drive, but their looks would justify a class action lawsuit on behalf of the Mexican people for defamation of their national heritage! Think not, what if it had been called the "Canuck" instead of the Aztek ... I'll bet our neighbors to the North would have closed the borders and embargoed all American cars.

I agree. I hate the Aztec.

93DevilleUSMC
07-07-09, 04:55 AM
Are you crazy?!?!

:cookoo:


The Northstar is one of the finest engines ever made.

It's smooth, quiet and powerful with some innovative features like the zero coolant limp home mode.

It practically saved Cadillac, and introduced the marque to an important younger audience.

I've met many people in the UK who only have a passing interest in cars, are not aware Cadillac ever sold any here, and even they have heard of it.

A higher than average number of head gasket failures don't make it a total rightoff. Most engines have some intrinsic flaw, many mid 90s M3's had serious problems with their aluminium heads falling apart, the Rover k series engine had major head gasket problems all its (very long) life.

As far as I'm concerned I wouldn't touch a cadillac that didn't have one. The older ones were under powered and the Chevy V8 powered ones are simple a non-exclusive engine which lets down the prestige of the car.


Now, if you were to say the Catara I'd agree with you...
:bonkers:

His `98 Deville blew a headgasket on him and he's been on here crying about it, and anything else he doesn't like, ever since.

93DevilleUSMC
07-07-09, 05:20 AM
1. Pontiac Aztec
2. Kia Rhondo
3. Toyota Prius
4. Any Plymouth made after the last `Cuda
5. The Chrysler Sebring in all incarnations.
6. The Ford Aspire
7. The Ford Festiva
8. Anything with DUBS or big, stupid-looking, ghetto crap-tastic rims.
9. Any ghetto-styled car, period.

93DevilleUSMC
07-07-09, 05:31 AM
ANY Non-Cadillac from this era of GM... GOD I hate these cars. Yes, even more than the downsized replacements.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f6/81-85_Oldsmobile_Delta_88.jpg/800px-81-85_Oldsmobile_Delta_88.jpg

Seriously, who bought these turds?!?

For "turds", you certainly see a lot of them still running, especially in Chevrolet form.

93DevilleUSMC
07-07-09, 05:40 AM
this
http://jalopnik.com/assets/resources/2008/06/Sweet-Custom-Cadillac-Seville.jpg

:thepan: Why the heck does it need candles on the front fenders? The things won't even stay lit when he's driving!

Senile old dumb shit.

Playdrv4me
07-07-09, 12:35 PM
For "turds", you certainly see a lot of them still running, especially in Chevrolet form.

What does "running" have to do with their hideous appearance? That just means I have to look at more of them! I already gave the Caprice (and Brougham) a pass, it isn't offensive to the eyes like that Olds piece of shit. I think there's several here who would disagree with you on -some- of the Sebring 'verts btw... :hide:

Jon
07-07-09, 04:39 PM
Honda Element
http://www.automedia.com/NewCarBuyersGuide/photos/2005/Honda/Element/SUV/2005_Honda_Element_ext_1.jpg

Honda Ridgeline
http://www.automedia.com/NewCarBuyersGuide/photos/2006/Honda/Ridgeline/Pickup_Truck/2006_Honda_Ridgeline_ext_1.jpg

Honda Insight
http://www.automedia.com/NewCarBuyersGuide/photos/2005/Honda/Insight/Hatchback/2005_Honda_Insight_ext_1.jpg

Acura TL
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2008/08/acura-tl-1280-07_opt.jpg

Nissan Maxima
http://cache.jalopnik.com/assets/resources/2008/06/2009-Nissan-Maxima.jpg

Nissan Quest
http://image.trucktrend.com/f/vans/youre-buying-wot-28-784-minivans/10369996+cr1+re0+ar1/2008-nissan-quest.jpg

VW Beetle
http://www.cardata.com/spoilers/images/DN_Spoilers/VW_Beetle.jpg

"Smart" car
http://www.ecogeek.org/images/stories/electric_smart_car.jpg

Buick Rendezvous
http://www.automedia.com/NewCarBuyersGuide/photos/2005/Buick/Rendezvous/SUV/2005_Buick_Rendezvous_ext_1.jpg

Lincoln MKX
http://www.autobytel.com/images/2007/Lincoln/MKX_Staff/400/2007_Lincoln_MKX_10.jpg

Shit there's more I'm sure

Playdrv4me
07-07-09, 04:42 PM
Acura TL
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2008/08/acura-tl-1280-07_opt.jpg

Of all the ones you listed that is by FAR the worst. Those things look like some kind of inverted vagina from the rear.

93DevilleUSMC
07-07-09, 08:56 PM
What does "running" have to do with their hideous appearance? That just means I have to look at more of them! I already gave the Caprice (and Brougham) a pass, it isn't offensive to the eyes like that Olds piece of shit. I think there's several here who would disagree with you on -some- of the Sebring 'verts btw... :hide:

All things considered, their appearance isn't that bad. I'd even call it decent.

As far as the Sebrings, I'm sure it has it's defenders, but to each their own. The Sebring to me absolutely reeks of castrated masculinity.

V-Eight
07-07-09, 09:25 PM
..and Michael Scott

Gristle Boy
07-08-09, 05:06 PM
Couple more for the Vomitorium.

http://i588.photobucket.com/albums/ss326/S2KKiLLiNiT/Forza%20Motorsport%203/FM3_Toyota_Yaris_2.jpg

http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m97/peacemaker2011/013.jpg

AMGoff
07-08-09, 05:55 PM
I think there's several here who would disagree with you on -some- of the Sebring 'verts btw... :hide:

For some reason Ian, I'm thinking you may have had me in mind with that comment...


1. Pontiac Aztec
2. Kia Rhondo
3. Toyota Prius
4. Any Plymouth made after the last `Cuda
5. The Chrysler Sebring in all incarnations.
6. The Ford Aspire
7. The Ford Festiva
8. Anything with DUBS or big, stupid-looking, ghetto crap-tastic rims.
9. Any ghetto-styled car, period.



As far as the Sebrings, I'm sure it has it's defenders, but to each their own. The Sebring to me absolutely reeks of castrated masculinity.

Josiah... There isn't all that much which you and I completely disagree on, but this might certainly be one of them. I suppose it's one thing to think it's appearance "reeks of castrated masculinity," but to automatically equate that to being amongst the most hideous abominations on the road? I just can't follow that leap...

Speaking strictly of the Sebring convertibles... While some iterations aren't as good as the others, none of them belong with those other cars you listed, let alone with most of the cars listed in this thread. Personally, I was never that much of a fan of the second generation '01-'06 Sebrings... and the new '08+ models are growing on me... but the original '96-'00 JX Sebrings are hideous? I just can't see it... When it first came out, the JX was one damn-good looking car and still is - the design has definitely aged well, especially on a well cared-for example. It has great lines, curves, and the design is perfectly proportionate - especially for a true four-seater convertible.

One may certainly argue its merits with regard to engineering or power, or even whether the car is effeminate... but to say the car is hideously ugly? Especially compared to something like the Prius? Christ on a stick... That's just - well... I don't really know what that is...

Gristle Boy
07-08-09, 06:19 PM
BTW - has this horror been visited upon the area you live in?
Asian Kindertrucks FTMFL!
http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z243/abbakd/Minitrucks/camo_minitruck.jpg

Drive one of these & you deserve to be killed!

AMGoff
07-08-09, 06:20 PM
This has to be the worst engineered, ugliest POS on the road today. I drove my grandpa's 2005 Sebring sedan yesterday. It was leaps and bounds a better car in terms of build quality and design than the new one. His had 40k miles on it and it didn't have one squeak or rattle.

What the hell were you smoking when you drove the car? Have you actually driven the new one? If so, which model? Design is subjective... But build quality - seriously? There is absolutely no comparison between the two, regardless of how much most of the motoring media likes to bash the Sebring sedan versus the competition, it's damn near impossible to objectively say that it isn't built better than the '01-'06 sedan.

First of all, it rides on a much improved, stiffer, and more refined platform... Regardless of the materials used (which are at least on par, if not slightly better than on the previous model), the interior design is more efficient and better put together... There is less exposed hardware - screw/bolt heads, wires, etc. and less panel gaps (which can also be said for the outside)... and the materials used on the top-end models are much better than those on the previous Limited models.

And all of that is without even mentioning the biggest improvement over the '01-'06 models. Although they're currently only standard on the Limited and optional on the new Touring models... The 3.5L V6 and 6-speed automatic are light years ahead of the 2.7 V6/4-speed used in the '01-'06 and new baser models. At least they finally reengineered the 2.7 in the new models so that it doesn't suffer from catastrophic failures due to oil sludge and whatnot like in the previous model.

Again... Styling is subjective and I'd say the new styling is definitely controversial. Personally, I like it over the plain-jane style of the '01-'06 models (although the original Cirrus is still by far my favorite overall)... But styling aside, the new '07+ sedans are most definitely better than the car it replaced in every measurable way.

This is certainly a first, while I've heard tons of negative comparisons versus the competition and tend to agree with most (but not all) of them... I've never heard one person say they honestly believe the older Sebring sedan was better built than the new one.

93DevilleUSMC
07-08-09, 06:40 PM
For some reason Ian, I'm thinking you may have had me in mind with that comment...





Josiah... There isn't all that much which you and I completely disagree on, but this might certainly be one of them. I suppose it's one thing to think it's appearance "reeks of castrated masculinity," but to automatically equate that to being amongst the most hideous abominations on the road? I just can't follow that leap...

Speaking strictly of the Sebring convertibles... While some iterations aren't as good as the others, none of them belong with those other cars you listed, let alone with most of the cars listed in this thread. Personally, I was never that much of a fan of the second generation '01-'06 Sebrings... and the new '08+ models are growing on me... but the original '96-'00 JX Sebrings are hideous? I just can't see it... When it first came out, the JX was one damn-good looking car and still is - the design has definitely aged well, especially on a well cared-for example. It has great lines, curves, and the design is perfectly proportionate - especially for a true four-seater convertible.

One may certainly argue its merits with regard to engineering or power, or even whether the car is effeminate... but to say the car is hideously ugly? Especially compared to something like the Prius? Christ on a stick... That's just - well... I don't really know what that is...

Other cars have ended up mentioned in here for which similar arguments can be made, but I still find the Sebring's overall design to lack any redemptive qualities. Ah, well, to each their own. I suppose I'll allow a little more slack for the first Sebrings.

hueterm
07-08-09, 07:20 PM
BTW - has this horror been visited upon the area you live in?
Asian Kindertrucks FTMFL!
http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z243/abbakd/Minitrucks/camo_minitruck.jpg

Drive one of these & you deserve to be killed!


Paging Rolex!!

Gristle Boy
07-08-09, 07:50 PM
Almost forgot about these rolling turds. They weren't on the road long...
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii259/coenvandervlies/MVC-001S.jpg
:ack::ack::ack::ack::ack::ack::ack::ack::ack::ack: :ack::ack::ack::ack:

orconn
07-08-09, 08:09 PM
I must be living in the wrong neighborhood, I never see any of the cars(?) you guys find to post omn this thread. Just the occasional Aztec and too many Honda Pilots (yes it's ugly, I don't care how good it is; it looks like it was designed by Ivan the Soviet) and Ridgelines. The "90s Sebring convertibles had their charms, which is why the new Sebring 'verts look like knocked-up teenagers! But then ugliness, unlike pregnancy, is subjective.

V-Eight
07-08-09, 08:48 PM
I didn't know Pilots were good? I know the CR-V sucks ass...

I see WAAY to many tiny ass Echoes and Prius'. I remember one day one got stuck trying to get out of my cove in some deep snow and it sounded like a damn lawnmower. The caddy just plowed right through, no hesitation at all heheheh

Rolex
07-08-09, 10:18 PM
BTW - has this horror been visited upon the area you live in?
Asian Kindertrucks FTMFL!
http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z243/abbakd/Minitrucks/camo_minitruck.jpg

Drive one of these & you deserve to be killed!

Hey newb D-bag :rtfinger:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v305/rolex/photo-3-2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v305/rolex/normal_BanHim.jpg

Aron9000
07-09-09, 01:16 AM
What the hell were you smoking when you drove the car? Have you actually driven the new one? If so, which model? Design is subjective... But build quality - seriously? There is absolutely no comparison between the two, regardless of how much most of the motoring media likes to bash the Sebring sedan versus the competition, it's damn near impossible to objectively say that it isn't built better than the '01-'06 sedan.

First of all, it rides on a much improved, stiffer, and more refined platform... Regardless of the materials used (which are at least on par, if not slightly better than on the previous model), the interior design is more efficient and better put together... There is less exposed hardware - screw/bolt heads, wires, etc. and less panel gaps (which can also be said for the outside)... and the materials used on the top-end models are much better than those on the previous Limited models.

And all of that is without even mentioning the biggest improvement over the '01-'06 models. Although they're currently only standard on the Limited and optional on the new Touring models... The 3.5L V6 and 6-speed automatic are light years ahead of the 2.7 V6/4-speed used in the '01-'06 and new baser models. At least they finally reengineered the 2.7 in the new models so that it doesn't suffer from catastrophic failures due to oil sludge and whatnot like in the previous model.

Again... Styling is subjective and I'd say the new styling is definitely controversial. Personally, I like it over the plain-jane style of the '01-'06 models (although the original Cirrus is still by far my favorite overall)... But styling aside, the new '07+ sedans are most definitely better than the car it replaced in every measurable way.

This is certainly a first, while I've heard tons of negative comparisons versus the competition and tend to agree with most (but not all) of them... I've never heard one person say they honestly believe the older Sebring sedan was better built than the new one.


I'll still stand behind what I say, his was a pretty basic four banger model, so no imploding POS 2.7 V6. The interior was pretty darn basic, acres of black plastic, but the quality of materials and the way they were assembled was decent. The gauges were a really nice touch and wouldn't look out of place in a car costing three times as much.

The new model's interior just reeks of cheesyness from a design and quality standpoint. The cloth seat material is inferior, as well as the quality and assembly of the plastic bits. The new one has a lot more "flair" but it just comes off as overdone and cheap.

Rodya234
07-09-09, 01:58 AM
The new one has a lot more "flair" but it just comes off as overdone and cheap.

Because it is.

Gristle Boy
07-09-09, 03:48 PM
Hey newb D-bag :rtfinger:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v305/rolex/photo-3-2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v305/rolex/normal_BanHim.jpg
Guess I would be pissed too, knowing people are snickering behind my back. All. Day. Long.:histeric::histeric::histeric::histeric::hist eric::histeric::histeric:

Take a Midol lady, it's only an opinion but mine is that it's a ridiculous, butt ugly deathtrap.

Caddyshack100
07-09-09, 04:17 PM
I will bet that if that Suzuki whatever its called had to hits its brakes hard, it would probably roll over on its nose.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
07-09-09, 07:19 PM
I hate to double post, but this takes the mother****in' cake!

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/IMG_0737.jpg

I dunno what's worse, the totally unnecessary and useless trunk extension or the paint scheme.

orconn
07-09-09, 07:28 PM
^^^ Personally I preferred the six-wheeled Camaro from Tennesee! Although I think Jesda may be able to come up with a use for that trunk.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
07-09-09, 07:29 PM
Dead hooker storage. LOTS of dead hookers. Even the fatties.

hueterm
07-09-09, 07:30 PM
His HGs will last about 5 minutes....

orconn
07-09-09, 07:36 PM
Dead hooker storage. LOTS of dead hookers. Even the fatties.

I see we think alike! Jesda could make a real dent in St. Louis with that trunk!

Rolex
07-09-09, 08:17 PM
Guess I would be pissed too, knowing people are snickering behind my back. All. Day. Long.:histeric::histeric::histeric::histeric::hist eric::histeric::histeric:

Take a Midol lady, it's only an opinion but mine is that it's a ridiculous, butt ugly deathtrap.

Okay I will agree with you. They're kind of the ginger kid step child that only a parent can love. But they're a fun little trail vehicle. And you're right about them being a death trap on the roads. I'd hate to get into an accident with the soccer mom driving a Suburban. :hide: All the danger of a motorbike without the freedom.

And don't ever call me a lady again! Rolex is the man. ;)


I will bet that if that Suzuki whatever its called had to hits its brakes hard, it would probably roll over on its nose.

These guys had to disconnect the back brakes to do this. The weight balance is actually really stable, even on hills and steep trails.

2hzzICONULs

I~LUV~Caddys8792
07-09-09, 08:24 PM
Rolex, we need to see a WOT video of that little truck!

"G$"
07-09-09, 10:24 PM
Guess I would be pissed too, knowing people are snickering behind my back. All. Day. Long.:histeric::histeric::histeric::histeric::hist eric::histeric::histeric:

Take a Midol lady, it's only an opinion but mine is that it's a ridiculous, butt ugly deathtrap.

lol, i definitely laughed at this comment. I couldn't help it.

"G$"
07-09-09, 10:41 PM
whoever posted the ridgeline, not naming names (jon) is a turd. I own a ridgeline and happen to like it a lot. They are invincible in the snow and you can make them look cool.

for instance:

http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk151/GDUB25/P6080450.jpg

http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk151/GDUB25/P6080448.jpg

http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk151/GDUB25/P6080442.jpg

http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk151/GDUB25/1ridgeIMGP1404.jpg

the black one is mine.

sorry for the off-topic-ness.

Rolex
07-09-09, 11:17 PM
I owned a Ridgeline for 10 whole months before it totally lost it's appeal. Put 4Gs worth of fix it up stuff on it (Rosen headrest DVD players, stereo, all the chrome add on goodies from Honda) as a pure waste of money. It was the most underpowered vehicle I've personally ever driven. Loaded with 400# of sand in the bed, it felt like I was pulling a 40' sail boat. It was a comfortable little "truck" though and the locking trunk in the bed was totally :cool2:. If ever there was a vehicle that could benefit from a small block V8 or a small diesel engine, it's the Ridgeline.

eta: it also got bad gas mileage: 14-15 mpg.

Rolex
07-09-09, 11:22 PM
Rolex, we need to see a WOT video of that little truck!

:haha:

You wouldn't be impressed my friend. It's certainly not made for speed. :rolleyes: I did manage to get it up to 56 mph when I took it over to my folks place. I was tracking it with my Garmin handheld GPS. Not too shabby for a 3cyl with mud tires. :cool2:

I've listed the mini truck for sale. I'm planning on putting it on a parking lot next to the Wal Mart HQ for some lucky hunter to snatch up. I want to buy a new toy while Pontiac is offering 0% for 72 months. :bouncy:

dirt_cheap_fleetwood
07-09-09, 11:42 PM
The Ridgeline is horrible, sorry. It has the same engine used in a nearly every Honda car with a V-6. Its not a real truck even though every yuppie who drives one thinks it is just as capable one. They don't even have 4lo.

V-Eight
07-09-09, 11:45 PM
whoever posted the ridgeline, not naming names (jon) is a turd. I own a ridgeline and happen to like it a lot. They are invincible in the snow and you can make them look cool.

for instance:


the black one is mine.

sorry for the off-topic-ness.

Either way its still an underpowered van that looks like a truck. Basically, its a soccer mom's idea of a truck

And IMO, if its not a V-8 its not a real truck - with some exceptions, this of course, not being one of them

Playdrv4me
07-09-09, 11:54 PM
The Ridgeline is not a bad concept, but the execution was flawed. When you call something a -truck- then you put the drive wheels in the front and shove a car V6 in the nose end of the thing you are bound to quickly find the ridicule found throughout this thread.

Personally, I think it has alot of neat tricks up its sleeve, and they do sell or it wouldn't still be in production today (like ANY Honda really). The Pilot, however, is a much more well executed SUV thing... as an SUV.

ryannel2003
07-10-09, 12:04 AM
I had the misfortune to drive a '08 Sebring Convertible w/ a 2.7L V6 today. The car had too much windnoise, a really badly assembled interior, and the build quality exterior wise was appallingly bad. The transmission was terrible and the motor was tepid at best. Exterior wise... well it's already been said. It's unfortunate, because the last generation really wasn't a bad looking car at all.

MauiV
07-10-09, 01:21 AM
i want to buy a new toy while pontiac is offering 0% for 72 months. :bouncy:

g8 gxp???????????????????????

V-Eight
07-10-09, 01:32 AM
^ That's be awesome, but maybe in the same boat as the V?

Playdrv4me
07-10-09, 03:49 AM
I had the misfortune to drive a '08 Sebring Convertible w/ a 2.7L V6 today. The car had too much windnoise, a really badly assembled interior, and the build quality exterior wise was appallingly bad. The transmission was terrible and the motor was tepid at best. Exterior wise... well it's already been said. It's unfortunate, because the last generation really wasn't a bad looking car at all.

Yea I drove one of those as a rental and it is by far among the worst pieces of modern shit I have ever had the misfortune to lay my hands on. It really was just terrible. The older ones are just fine.

Jesda
07-10-09, 05:39 AM
whoever posted the ridgeline, not naming names (jon) is a turd. I own a ridgeline and happen to like it a lot. They are invincible in the snow and you can make them look cool.

for instance:

It looks terrible. It is terrible.

"G$"
07-10-09, 08:02 AM
It looks terrible. It is terrible.

you drive a plymouth crossfire and you don't know how to not drive your car off the road. Plus you post pics of how you own 3 cadillacs to get attention when they aren't even yours and you actually don't even own any. :bigroll: And I'm supposed to just let you talk sh1t? no.

"G$"
07-10-09, 08:06 AM
Either way its still an underpowered van that looks like a truck. Basically, its a soccer mom's idea of a truck

And IMO, if its not a V-8 its not a real truck - with some exceptions, this of course, not being one of them

fair enough on the power issue if that is what you care about. but we were talking about looks and I wanted to prove that some ridgelines look really good, i get a lot of looks & compliments on mine. I don't expect anyone to say anything positive about a ridgeline on a cadillac forum I guess.

Rolex
07-10-09, 08:19 AM
g8 gxp???????????????????????

:yeah:


I don't expect anyone to say anything positive about a ridgeline on a cadillac forum I guess.

You must have missed my post. I thought the interior was very comfortable and the vehicle rode and drove very well. I just couldn't get along with it for very long because it was VERY underpowered. It really strained to get around with even a small Jon boat behind it. Funny thing is the biggest thread on the Ridgeline forums is the "show us what you're towing" thread. :histeric:

"G$"
07-10-09, 08:32 AM
:yeah:



You must have missed my post. I thought the interior was very comfortable and the vehicle rode and drove very well. I just couldn't get along with it for very long because it was VERY underpowered. It really strained to get around with even a small Jon boat behind it. Funny thing is the biggest thread on the Ridgeline forums is the "show us what you're towing" thread. :histeric:

yeah, mine only has 247 hp. So it is underpowered as far as trucks come, you're right. But this thread is about looks, thats why I brought it up. I guess the `09's have 253. Honda gives you AWD all the time, very good utility and versatility, and they just aren't a V8 company. If I want to drive a V8, I drive my Eldo.

dirt_cheap_fleetwood
07-10-09, 09:17 AM
you drive a plymouth crossfire and you don't know how to not drive your car off the road. Plus you post pics of how you own 3 cadillacs to get attention when they aren't even yours and you actually don't even own any. :bigroll: And I'm supposed to just let you talk sh1t? no.

http://www.spiffynova.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/oh-snap.jpg :hide:

"G$"
07-10-09, 09:54 AM
I owned a Ridgeline for 10 whole months before it totally lost it's appeal. Put 4Gs worth of fix it up stuff on it (Rosen headrest DVD players, stereo, all the chrome add on goodies from Honda) as a pure waste of money. It was the most underpowered vehicle I've personally ever driven. Loaded with 400# of sand in the bed, it felt like I was pulling a 40' sail boat. It was a comfortable little "truck" though and the locking trunk in the bed was totally :cool2:. If ever there was a vehicle that could benefit from a small block V8 or a small diesel engine, it's the Ridgeline.

eta: it also got bad gas mileage: 14-15 mpg.

sorry i missed your post. i get 18 mpg. It is a little underpowered and would def. benefit from a V8. But I would put it up against any car I've ever seen with a V8 or whatever in the snow, and that's important since I life in Northern New England. I didn't buy it for power because I used to have a 5.3 liter V8 in my GMC Sierra that I traded so I downgraded in the power department. I bought it for versatility. The in-bed trunk is shockingly cool. If I got another truck over the next 2 or 3 years, I would probably go back to a V8 though.

V-Eight
07-10-09, 11:40 AM
yeah, mine only has 247 hp. So it is underpowered as far as trucks come, you're right. But this thread is about looks, thats why I brought it up. .

HP doesn't matter for towing, torque does. My 94 Silverado only has 210 HP, but has no problem hauling a boat or hauling ass. How much torque does the Ridgeline have?

Rodya234
07-10-09, 11:49 AM
HP doesn't matter for towing, torque does. My 94 Silverado only has 210 HP, but has no problem hauling a boat or hauling ass. How much torque does the Ridgeline have?

245lb-ft at 4500rpm.

It's no Duramax that's for sure.

V-Eight
07-10-09, 11:54 AM
Haha, true. Its not even half a Duramax lol

"G$"
07-10-09, 12:44 PM
yeah, it's not really designed to be a towing machine. That's obvious. But it is good at other stuff. Like winning the Baja 1000/400 races. Lol at you guys immediately focusing on its 1 major weakness, towing capacity. I don't see any fords, chevy's, and GMC's doing that, because it's not what they're designed to do.

http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk151/GDUB25/ridge2.jpg

http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2008/11/honda-ridgeline.html

V-Eight
07-10-09, 01:46 PM
That's because when it comes to trucks, towing capacity is one of the most important things

LS1Mike
07-10-09, 02:33 PM
That last guy's comment on the page about the Ridgeline says it all.
"Congratulations to the win for the Mini Van"
That thing is about as much truck as my Equinox.

Gristle Boy
07-10-09, 02:42 PM
Damn Ridgeline people are defensive. This thread will now go to 1000 pages of arguing the relative merits of it's "Ridgeyness". :yawn:

Rolex, I dig the G8 too (Man!). Might have got one but Canadians aren't allowed to have the GXP for some reason. :confused:

Rodya234
07-10-09, 02:46 PM
^ Lol, when the government is telling you what kind of car to drive, it's time to move. I'm already packing my bags.......

Gristle Boy
07-10-09, 02:49 PM
Rodya,
They tell you a LOT of things up here!

dirt_cheap_fleetwood
07-10-09, 03:00 PM
Trucks should be able to do this. Real trucks can do it in 4wd. :)


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Jesda
07-10-09, 03:45 PM
you drive a plymouth crossfire and you don't know how to not drive your car off the road. Plus you post pics of how you own 3 cadillacs to get attention when they aren't even yours and you actually don't even own any. :bigroll: And I'm supposed to just let you talk sh1t? no.

And yet, despite all this, your Ridgeline is still terrible.

In addition, you are terrible.

AMGoff
07-10-09, 03:50 PM
The absolute best thing I've seen written anywhere about the Ridgeline:


As my Chinese buddy said "What's their target demographic for that? Asians with mullets?"

Gristle Boy
07-10-09, 04:00 PM
yeah, it's not really designed to be a towing machine. That's obvious. But it is good at other stuff. Like winning the Baja 1000/400 races. Lol at you guys immediately focusing on its 1 major weakness, towing capacity. I don't see any fords, chevy's, and GMC's doing that, because it's not what they're designed to do.

http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk151/GDUB25/ridge2.jpg

http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2008/11/honda-ridgeline.html

But look how butt ugly it looks doing it!!!!!!
:histeric: :histeric: :histeric: :histeric: :histeric: :histeric: :histeric: :histeric:

I~LUV~Caddys8792
07-10-09, 06:21 PM
Trucks should be able to do this. Real trucks can do it in 4wd. :)


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The funny thing about that movie is you don't really hear the Duramax revving that high, he's probably doing 2000-2500 rpm's through the brakestand.

The Duramax is nice and all, but for pickup diesels, I think the Cummins is best. I just like the fact it's an I-6 (and a HUGE one at that, 6.7L now), it sounds AWESOME, is the easiest to tune, and has the reputation to back it up. Ford hasn't had a truly great diesel since the 7.3L left the market (the 6.0 has tone of problems...injectors, EGR valves, headgaskets) and the 6.4 ain't much better, but they're gonna replace that in a few years too with a new Ford designed engine (not Navistar), and I've heard it's gonna be back in the 6.8-7.0L range again.

My friend with the Titan wants to race me. It'll be close, he thinks he'll win, I think I will. Only one way to find out.... :lildevil:


And yet, despite all this, your Ridgeline is still terrible.

A friend's parents have an '06 Ridgeline RTL and it's nice to ride in, very comfortable, smooth ride, heated leather seats & auto HVAC, lots of cabin space, but that's really all they ever use it for....commuting. It gets good mileage and has never had any problems (but then again, what Honda doesn't?), but it's no fun in the snow because it's full time AWD, and he complains of the power (I've driven it before, and it's not quick), but it stands out in a crowd and can't be categorized with anything else. It's closest competitor in terms of versatility and design would be the Avalanche, but they're a good deal bigger, body on frame rear/all wheel drive and V8 powered.

They are innovative though, lots of cool ideas in them.

dirt_cheap_fleetwood
07-10-09, 06:41 PM
As I said, the Ridgeline is a yuppie truck. It's for people who want to say they drive a truck but also want it to ride like a car. It's the same thing with crossovers. People can say they own an SUV but it is basically a large car/small minivan. My grandpa's '02 with the Duramax rides extremely well for a truck, much better than his old Ford, but when it comes down to it you can still slap a 16,000 lb trailer behind it and it acts like there's nothing there. Heck, you have to tow over 12k lbs before you even have to hit the tow mode for the trans. Not to mention the thing is a rocket. I beat my friend's '04 Impala and I was bucking a 30 mph head wind. We raced from about 25-120 and I just pulled the entire time until he was a small speck in my rear view mirror.

The Cummins is a damn good engine, but it's very noisy and vibrates a lot at idle. The Duramax in my Grandpa's truck is actually slightly quieter than my Mark VII with Mustang GT mufflers.

Jesda
07-10-09, 07:00 PM
A friend's parents have an '06 Ridgeline RTL and it's nice to ride in, very comfortable, smooth ride, heated leather seats & auto HVAC, lots of cabin space, but that's really all they ever use it for....commuting.

Its an Accord with a bed, and its not easy on the eyes. The fault is with Honda for marketing it as a capable pickup truck, which it isn't. Its an around-town cargo vehicle. They should have called it the "Pilot Max" or something.

Honda got it wrong with the first Odyssey too. It was a little stationwagon that barely had room for luggage and baby strollers -- a dwarf next to the Nissan Quest and Chrysler Town and Country. They went back to the drawing board the second time around and asked Americans what they wanted out of a minivan, and did it correctly.

I suspect that once the recession is over, Honda will redesign and rerelease the Ridgeline as an actual truck.

Trucks are like tools. I buy tools to use and abuse, so I buy Craftsman. If I wanted to just make the neighbors think I was manly, I'd get a bunch of toolboxes and place them prominently in the garage for everyone to see, and fill them with Chinese wrenches from Wal-Mart.

Trucks don't have to be able to tow Mount Everest to be useful, but as evidenced by the third world, a real body on frame pickup, even a tiny one, can take SERIOUS daily abuse. GM, Toyota, Ford, and Isuzu sell hundreds of thousands of them for a reason.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Bb2wkRWhYj0/STDvsla0ngI/AAAAAAAAFSM/1ShBjZoVmj0/s400/unsafe-gas-truck.jpg

On that note, I need to go back to Thailand.

Gristle Boy
07-10-09, 07:20 PM
In a probably hopeless attempt to steer this thread away from the Ridgeline and it's attendant "Ridginess", may I present:

http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee221/VhsLegend/Features/800px-Zap_Concept_Car.jpg
Behold the future of ghey!

:bob::bob::bob::bob::bob::bob:

LS1Mike
07-10-09, 07:26 PM
My guess is the Ridgeline that won was about as Honda factory stock as any C5R is factory stock.

LS1Mike
07-10-09, 07:33 PM
Just for the record...
These are trucks.
http://www.fquick.com/images/vehicles/full/4841266531.jpg?1245905148
http://www.autoblog.com/media/2008/05/09f150platinum_10_hr_opt.jpg
http://www.myride.com/images/2007/Chevrolet/Silverado/400/07_Chevy_Silverado_07.jpg
http://www.automedia.com/NewCarBuyersGuide/photos/2005/Ford/F350%20Super%20Duty%20Regular%20Cab/Pickup_Truck/2006_Ford_F350Reg_ext_1.jpg
http://www.automedia.com/NewCarBuyersGuide/photos/2006/Chevrolet/Silverado%203500%20Extended%20Cab/Pickup_Truck/2006_Chevrolet_Silverado3500_ext_1.jpg
http://www.dieseltruckresource.com/pics/data/500/medium/skewedstacks4.jpg
http://www.cardotcom.com/cars/images02/06dodge-ram-mega.jpg
http://www.jalopnik.com/cars/assets/resources/2006/09/2007-Toyota-Tundra-Double-Cab.jpg
http://image.trucktrend.com/f/truck-news/nissan-announces-pricing-on-2008-titan-and-armada/6352302+w700+cr1+re0+ar1/2008-nissan-titan-side-view.jpg


NOT TRUCKS
http://www.babez.de/honda/ridglinertx/honda-ridgline-rtx-2007-titel.jpg
http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2002/09/27/148173.1-lg.jpg
http://www.drive.subaru.com/Fall06/attic_brat_pg1.jpg
http://www.cruzweb.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/el_camino_ss.jpg
http://www.rossvw.com/vw/pics/83truck2.jpg

Aron9000
07-10-09, 08:30 PM
Just for the record...

http://www.cruzweb.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/el_camino_ss.jpg


I'd call an El Camino a truck. Its body on frame, solid rear axle, RWD, V8, and has a pretty big bed. With the right motor under the hood(aka not a 305 V8) I'm sure it could tow 6000lbs without a problem.

The Aussies use them as trucks . . . .

http://digiads.com.au/carsales/used-cars/car_ad_photos/digiads_car_ads_86792_1.jpg

LS1Mike
07-10-09, 09:00 PM
It is on car frame though. So it is a car with a bed. Just like the rest.

V-Eight
07-10-09, 09:18 PM
That last guy's comment on the page about the Ridgeline says it all.
"Congratulations to the win for the Mini Van"
That thing is about as much truck as my Equinox.

That being me?


Trucks should be able to do this. Real trucks can do it in 4wd. :)


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Amen


The funny thing about that movie is you don't really hear the Duramax revving that high, he's probably doing 2000-2500 rpm's through the brakestand.


Yeah, I know the new ones get max torque at like 1800 RPM or something which is pretty cool.

Aron9000
07-10-09, 09:21 PM
It is on car frame though. So it is a car with a bed. Just like the rest.

Back in the day there wasn't a heck of a lot of difference between the way a GM A-body was built and how a 2wd GM pickup was built. The 67-72 trucks used the same front suspension setup, and more interestingly they used coil springs in the rear like an A-body car.

"G$"
07-10-09, 11:31 PM
The unwarranted bias on this board is akin to racism. the point of my post was that ridgelines are not hideous abominations. I never said that they are a "truckers truck" with massive towing capacity. The are a pretty significantly cool vehicle. However, the GM/american car fans here are so obsessed with their hatred for a Honda/foreign products that they have to pretend like it's a piece of crap vehicle and change the subject to make an argument. I'm sorry GM went bankrupt, it's not honda's fault though for making quality vehicles when GM was serving up less than quality vehicles...it's not your fault, it's not your fault, it's not your fault.

And Jesda, nice comeback. Wait you didn't have one. Go back to posting about Ford F-150's that you don't own, cadillacs you don't own but your buddy ian does, driving off the road because you can't drive, your leaky plymouth crossfire, and making threads about bleach. Too bad you aren't as good with real life grown up stuff as you are with navigating internet forums and taking pictures and posting them. I'm sorry.

hueterm
07-10-09, 11:43 PM
Oh please...you didn't just bring racism into this...

The Ridgeline haters may think you're a :Danielle: , but a racial element??? :crybaby:

They're not dogging on Tundras or Titans....so it sounds like an issue w/the vehicle to me -- not where it's made...

To be clear, I don't have a problem w/Ridgelines -- I just want a larger truck. I'm sure they come in handy for people who don't tow or haul excessive loads.

orconn
07-10-09, 11:43 PM
The unwarranted bias on this board is akin to racism. the point of my post was that ridgelines are not hideous abominations. I never said that they are a "truckers truck" with massive towing capacity. The are a pretty significantly cool vehicle. However, the GM/american car fans here are so obsessed with their hatred for a Honda/foreign products that they have to pretend like it's a piece of crap vehicle and change the subject to make an argument. I'm sorry GM went bankrupt, it's not honda's fault though for making quality vehicles when GM was serving up less than quality vehicles...it's not your fault, it's not your fault, it's not your fault.

And Jesda, nice comeback. Wait you didn't have one. Go back to posting about Ford F-150's that you don't own, cadillacs you don't own but your buddy ian does, driving off the road because you can't drive, your leaky plymouth crossfire, and making threads about bleach. Too bad you aren't as good with real life grown up stuff as you are with navigating internet forums and taking pictures and posting them. I'm sorry.

Lighten up, theres nothing wrong with liking Ridgelines or other crossover vehicles. I for one would never own or drive a truck, if I again had horses or boats to haul I'd get someone with a truck to do it for me, just as in the past. Opinions are cheap, especially on the internet, so no point in getting uptight over a difference of one.

Jesda
07-11-09, 01:59 AM
http://i39.tinypic.com/1e3lw2.gif

Rodya234
07-11-09, 02:45 AM
The unwarranted bias on this board is akin to racism. the point of my post was that ridgelines are not hideous abominations.


And then someone disagreed with you. So someone has a different opinion about the Ridgeline, It's not like anyone insulted you, so why are you taking it so personally? Sure some of the opinions about the Ridgeline might be based on more then looks, but it doesn't really warrant being so offended.

AMGoff
07-11-09, 02:47 AM
The unwarranted bias on this board is akin to racism. the point of my post was that ridgelines are not hideous abominations. I never said that they are a "truckers truck" with massive towing capacity. The are a pretty significantly cool vehicle. However, the GM/american car fans here are so obsessed with their hatred for a Honda/foreign products that they have to pretend like it's a piece of crap vehicle and change the subject to make an argument. I'm sorry GM went bankrupt, it's not honda's fault though for making quality vehicles when GM was serving up less than quality vehicles...it's not your fault, it's not your fault, it's not your fault.

And Jesda, nice comeback. Wait you didn't have one. Go back to posting about Ford F-150's that you don't own, cadillacs you don't own but your buddy ian does, driving off the road because you can't drive, your leaky plymouth crossfire, and making threads about bleach. Too bad you aren't as good with real life grown up stuff as you are with navigating internet forums and taking pictures and posting them. I'm sorry.

WTF? You seriously need to either grow a pair or just completely 'eff off. Jesus Christ... "Oh no" - no one else here likes your friggin' f-uck (fake-truck), so it's immediately chalked up to unwarranted bias that's akin to racism?

What sort of pansy-ass, overemotional nonsense is that? Did you ever stop to think that maybe it was listed on here with no contest because a good deal of people simply think it's butt-ugly?

You think otherwise... You like it and think it looks good - that's perfectly fine. But don't get all twisted out of shape because such sentiments fall into the vast minority and it's not like it's just here either... Judging by their lackluster sales, it seems to be a market-wide consensus. It's not very hard to figure out why either... Aside from its looks, there aren't many people in the market for an overpriced, underpowered minivan with a small, exposed flat cargo area.

Also, what exactly was the point of linking to that Baja 1000 page... So an extensively modified Ridgeline won the race due to sheer luck - Did you even read the entire article? That extensively modified Ridgeline would have lost the race to both a FJ Cruiser and a H3, had the FJ not had its entire front end ripped off by a boulder a few miles from the finish line... AND had a stock Dodge Ram not pulled the Ridgeline out of the sand right after the FJ's crash. Now there's some great marketing material.

Bottom line - it's a stupid car. You made your opinion be known, now move on... There's no need to get your panties in that much of a bunch. I mean, really... By your (over)reaction, one would almost think it's as if someone insulted your buck-toothed, hunch-backed cousin or something.

Rolex
07-11-09, 09:27 AM
:food-snacking:

LS1Mike
07-11-09, 10:43 AM
I never said the Ridgeline was a bad car or Crossover. It does just fine at that. It is just a really really Sh*ty truck.

"G$"
07-11-09, 11:00 AM
Oh please...you didn't just bring racism into this...

The Ridgeline haters may think you're a :Danielle: , but a racial element??? :crybaby:

They're not dogging on Tundras or Titans....so it sounds like an issue w/the vehicle to me -- not where it's made...

To be clear, I don't have a problem w/Ridgelines -- I just want a larger truck. I'm sure they come in handy for people who don't tow or haul excessive loads.

I compared it to racism. didn't accuse anybody of it. it's a valid comparison.

"G$"
07-11-09, 11:01 AM
And then someone disagreed with you. So someone has a different opinion about the Ridgeline, It's not like anyone insulted you, so why are you taking it so personally? Sure some of the opinions about the Ridgeline might be based on more then looks, but it doesn't really warrant being so offended.

I'm not that offended, just plan on winning the argument.

"G$"
07-11-09, 11:04 AM
WTF? You seriously need to either grow a pair or just completely 'eff off. Jesus Christ... "Oh no" - no one else here likes your friggin' f-uck (fake-truck), so it's immediately chalked up to unwarranted bias that's akin to racism?

What sort of pansy-ass, overemotional nonsense is that? Did you ever stop to think that maybe it was listed on here with no contest because a good deal of people simply think it's butt-ugly?

You think otherwise... You like it and think it looks good - that's perfectly fine. But don't get all twisted out of shape because such sentiments fall into the vast minority and it's not like it's just here either... Judging by their lackluster sales, it seems to be a market-wide consensus. It's not very hard to figure out why either... Aside from its looks, there aren't many people in the market for an overpriced, underpowered minivan with a small, exposed flat cargo area.

Also, what exactly was the point of linking to that Baja 1000 page... So an extensively modified Ridgeline won the race due to sheer luck - Did you even read the entire article? That extensively modified Ridgeline would have lost the race to both a FJ Cruiser and a H3, had the FJ not had its entire front end ripped off by a boulder a few miles from the finish line... AND had a stock Dodge Ram not pulled the Ridgeline out of the sand right after the FJ's crash. Now there's some great marketing material.

Bottom line - it's a stupid car. You made your opinion be known, now move on... There's no need to get your panties in that much of a bunch. I mean, really... By your (over)reaction, one would almost think it's as if someone insulted your buck-toothed, hunch-backed cousin or something.

not a very intelligent response. Calling it a minivan is kind of childish because it's not built on a minivan platform or anything like a minivan.

when pickuptruck dot com takes ridgelines off their website and puts them on minivan.com then maybe you'll have a point.

V-Eight
07-11-09, 11:05 AM
Actually, it is like a minivan in the fact thats its a soccer moms 'truck'.


I'm not that offended, just plan on winning the argument.

^ Not gonna happen

"G$"
07-11-09, 11:06 AM
http://i39.tinypic.com/1e3lw2.gif

still didn't post a come back. i knew you didn't have it in ya. :yup:

I~LUV~Caddys8792
07-11-09, 11:19 AM
I'm not that offended, just plan on winning the argument.

Good luck buddy, lol. The argument is over and you have lost.

Oh, and much like the Odyssey, it's unibody, is powered by a transverse V6, which is shared with the Accord.

Atleast when GM builds a truck, they don't build it off the Uplander platform and throw in a V6 from a midsized sedan.

Let's go ahead and take a look at the Ridgeline article on Wikipedia & see what they have to say about it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_Ridgeline

Now Wikipedia is about as unbiased as you can get, no worries about Cadillac owners tainting the fine reputation of the Ridgeline. They're just reporting facts, not opinions.


The Ridgeline is the only car-based pickup in the United States and Canada.


This likely harmed Ridgeline sales, as some cited its weak V6 engine (Honda has never developed a V8 for passenger vehicles) and lack of ruggedness due to its unibody construction, while its relatively short cargo bed compared to a standard pickup truck made it unsuitable for contractors. Unlike other crew cabs, the Honda Ridgeline lacks the option of 6-passenger seating, as it only offers bucket seats and not bench seating in the front.
Sales were initially slow, partly because it was considered over-priced. Consequently, dealers have been discounting the truck (which is unusual for a Honda product), and the average selling price has come down steadily according to J.D. Power. Sales are starting to climb, though they are still a fraction of the market leading Ford F-150.

I'm not saying that Ridgelines are total crap. They're good for what they are, and Honda designed them for a specific purpose, but to compare them against any (I'm trying to not say "real", but it's tough) body on frame, truck based, V8 powered, rear wheel drive based truck is just nonsense.

Edmunds.com's blurb makes the most sense:

Although millions of pickup trucks are sold each year, only a fraction of them actually see an off-road trail or a boat ramp. The rest are daily drivers that make an occasional trip to Home Depot for 2x4s and patio furniture. For those consumers who desire a friendlier pickup that can still handle those occasional jobs, there's the Honda Ridgeline. This four-door ("crew cab") pickup truck has a number of distinctive features and, true to Honda's philosophy, is a vehicle that makes sense for the great majority of people shopping in a given market segment.

hueterm
07-11-09, 11:45 AM
I compared it to racism. didn't accuse anybody of it. it's a valid comparison.


The word doesn't even need to be brought up in any context.

You have a weak truck. Own and embrace your choice, instead of stirring up crap in an argument you're not going to win.

hueterm
07-11-09, 11:49 AM
...no one else here likes your friggin' f-uck (fake-truck)...

In all the time I've known you, this is the funniest thing you've EVER posted :histeric:

77CDV
07-11-09, 01:01 PM
I'm sensing imminent thread lock......

Gristle Boy
07-11-09, 01:26 PM
I'm sensing imminent thread lock......
Yep. Another thread jacked by some Ridgeline apologist who can't accept that people don't love his ghey-ass douche wagon.
http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t342/Gristleboy/1194029798_hd-1004-ridgeline-s.jpg
I don't know why these things attract this type of insecure pansy-thug. Bottom line: It IS a hideous abomination & relevent to this thread. Unlike "winning the arguement". Go back to your Honda forum if you need approval so desperately, you ain't gonna get it here.
:wambulance:

AMGoff
07-11-09, 03:31 PM
not a very intelligent response. Calling it a minivan is kind of childish because it's not built on a minivan platform or anything like a minivan.

when pickuptruck dot com takes ridgelines off their website and puts them on minivan.com then maybe you'll have a point.

How is that unintelligent or childish... Because its contrary to what you've fooled yourself into thinking?

I'm not sure where you get your information, but the fact remains that the Ridgeline is based off the same platform as the Honda Odyssey - a minivan... Itself nothing more than a modified Accord platform.

You're the only one being childish here buddy-boy. If you need to lie to yourself to somehow make yourself feel better, then that's totally on you. It is what it is... Just because you can't accept it due to some over-geared sense of machismo doesn't make it any less a reality.

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck... It's a friggin' duck - not a truck.

Kev
07-11-09, 03:51 PM
much ado bout nuthin ....


Kids these days .... :nono:

dirt_cheap_fleetwood
07-11-09, 05:43 PM
El-Caminos are the best car-trucks ever made.

Rolex
07-11-09, 05:52 PM
I'm actually still a member over on the Ridgeline Owners Club website. I've thought about popping back in and talking enough trash to get myself perma-banned. :devil:

hueterm
07-11-09, 07:04 PM
El-Caminos are the best car-trucks ever made.


Now that Pontiac is RIP, and the Caprice is taking the G8's place, maybe the El C will be reborn as that G8 Sport Truck (or whatever they were going to call it).

Destroyer
07-11-09, 09:06 PM
The unwarranted bias on this board is akin to racism. the point of my post was that ridgelines are not hideous abominations.You will not convince anyone that thinks a Ridgeline (or any car/truck) is a "hideous abomination" that it isn't just because you say so. It's all about taste. I personally like them but the consensus is that it isn't a "real truck". I say it is a "real truck" just as much as any other truck is just on a different level. If it has a real bed, it's a real truck no matter what platform it is based on. You need a light duty truck with limited cargo room? Get a Ridgeline. You need to haul or tow large loads? Get a Cummins. This whole thing is stupid. The buyer likes and buys what he needs.

V-Eight
07-11-09, 10:58 PM
Now that Pontiac is RIP, and the Caprice is taking the G8's place, maybe the El C will be reborn as that G8 Sport Truck (or whatever they were going to call it).

It was scrapped which is dumb because its already being made in Austrailia, it would just need to be another rebadge

gothicaleigh
07-11-09, 11:39 PM
The unwarranted bias on this board is akin to racism. the point of my post was that ridgelines are not hideous abominations. I never said that they are a "truckers truck" with massive towing capacity. The are a pretty significantly cool vehicle. However, the GM/american car fans here are so obsessed with their hatred for a Honda/foreign products that they have to pretend like it's a piece of crap vehicle and change the subject to make an argument. I'm sorry GM went bankrupt, it's not honda's fault though for making quality vehicles when GM was serving up less than quality vehicles...it's not your fault, it's not your fault, it's not your fault.

To protect myself from any claims of 'racism' I feel I should preface this by mentioning that I own a well designed asian car (one that most certainly is not a Ridgeline).

The Ridgeline is ugly and not a real truck. You may like yours (hell, my grandfather liked his Aztek) but it belongs on the list. The ridicule directed at that faux-truck is not unwarranted.

Jesda
07-12-09, 12:00 AM
I've never seen a man get so butt-hurt and resort to personal attacks so quickly over someone not liking their car. Self-esteem issues?

Playdrv4me
07-12-09, 12:06 AM
:food-snacking:

:food-snacking:

Jesda
07-12-09, 12:21 AM
http://www.q45.org/cpg/albums/userpics/10001/thumb_MichealJacksonPopcorn.gif

Kev
07-12-09, 12:29 AM
Just for the record...
These are .....
NOT TRUCKS
http://www.babez.de/honda/ridglinertx/honda-ridgline-rtx-2007-titel.jpg
http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2002/09/27/148173.1-lg.jpg
http://www.drive.subaru.com/Fall06/attic_brat_pg1.jpg
http://www.cruzweb.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/el_camino_ss.jpg
http://www.rossvw.com/vw/pics/83truck2.jpgAhem, I believe you forgot one .....

http://cache.jalopnik.com/assets/resources/2008/01/70_VWTruck_RH.jpg

LS1Mike
07-12-09, 07:22 AM
Hell Yeah, half a "Marty its the Libyans, I don't know how the found me".
Thanks Kev, forgot all about that one!

Submariner409
07-12-09, 10:05 AM
:stirpot: ................

there's always the bumper sticker seen last December during the Florida trip - on a F350 Super Duty - "Real trucks don't have spark plugs".

That definitely excludes the Ricer Ridgeline Runabout from the truck list and drops it into the abominable can.

(.........yeah, I know - also my 4.6 F150. But at least that looks like a truck.) (And I'd take the ElCamino SS any day.)

I~LUV~Caddys8792
07-12-09, 10:32 AM
Speaking of Back To The Future, this truck is badass as well. I've liked it since I was a kid.

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m78/mordecaidesign/bttftoyota.jpg

thebigjimsho
07-12-09, 12:08 PM
sorry i missed your post. i get 18 mpg. It is a little underpowered and would def. benefit from a V8. But I would put it up against any car I've ever seen with a V8 or whatever in the snow, and that's important since I life in Northern New England. I didn't buy it for power because I used to have a 5.3 liter V8 in my GMC Sierra that I traded so I downgraded in the power department. I bought it for versatility. The in-bed trunk is shockingly cool. If I got another truck over the next 2 or 3 years, I would probably go back to a V8 though.
You say "Boston North". That's not northern New England where my relatives see nothing but snow and -40 degree temperatures with sometimes plowed dirt roads. In Boston North, my Town Car with T/C and all-season tires gets by just fine...

thebigjimsho
07-12-09, 12:20 PM
The unwarranted bias on this board is akin to racism.

However, the GM/american car fans here are so obsessed with their hatred for a Honda/foreign products that they have to pretend like it's a piece of crap vehicle and change the subject to make an argument. I'm sorry GM went bankrupt, it's not honda's fault though for making quality vehicles when GM was serving up less than quality vehicles...it's not your fault, it's not your fault, it's not your fault.
If Honda keeps making vehicles like the Ridgeline, with their more than awful sales numbers, they won't be far behind.


And you sound like Al Sharpton...

thebigjimsho
07-12-09, 12:24 PM
Now, personally, I don't mind the Ridgeline. I wouldn't buy one for myself, but I can see the appeal for a light duty worker/hobbyist. And I don't think it's hideous, personally. Although it's far from attractive. And I do think that the Crossfire looks like a dog taking a dump.


But I'd much rather hang out with Jesda. He's the coolest.

thebigjimsho
07-12-09, 12:36 PM
I agree low-mid torque is more useful, especially with heavy cars.

The Northstar matched the torque figure (and even exceeded it) with a smaller engine, but of course it is waker lower down with the headline figure only really arriving at around 3,500-4k.

Still a great engine though, happy to provide good off the line performance on the lightest of throttle for normal driving in near silence, but will scream to the rev line at well over 6,000rpm and pull like a freight train while doing so. And sounds quite nice doing it. A real Jekyll and Hyde engine.

Mind you the only place online I see putting this engine down is this forum.
It always amazes me how the whole issue gets blown way out of proportion by a lot of people on here...


While we didn't get many Northstars in the UK, probably around 1,000 in the initial 98-02 run I'd say, I only know of one with a blown head gasket (and it's a small world over here). I know of a lot of mid 90's V6 Mustangs with blown head gaskets though, and a lot of burnt out TH700R4 transmissions. I've seen a lot of blown head gaskets on small block Chevy's too along with various other "common problems. Maybe out 98 on Sevilles are just too new to display many symptoms? Who knows...

Sadly if mine eventually goes the car will have to go in the bin as places over here aren't set up to deal with them which means it would be a $5,000+ repair, which is probably the same as what the car is worth...



Anyhow, sorry for going off topic...


I submit this, the Lancia Thesis:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/69/Lancia_Thesis_Kappa_20071211.jpg/800px-Lancia_Thesis_Kappa_20071211.jpg

It sells at over $60,000 new....

It's worse because it's Italian. I expect a better sense of style from them. This looks like a Huyndai...


When the Italians get it wrong they really get it wrong ....... the Lancia in your picture does look like a Hyundai. Actually what appears to be a older Lancia behind the maroon car looks better. Neither one looks like a $60K car.
I disagree. It looks like an old Hyundai. What it really looks like is a Daewoo. And some models had Pinanfarina styling! ZOMG!!! Some had Georgietto Giugiargo and ItalDesign styling too!!!



http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/23/1999.daewoo.leganza.arp.750pix.jpg

V-Eight
07-12-09, 05:50 PM
Have you seen the Mustang Giugiaro designed?

Destroyer
07-12-09, 09:04 PM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/23/1999.daewoo.leganza.arp.750pix.jpgI bought one of these for a quick flip. Guy I sold it to over a year ago loves it and has had no problems with it. Daewoo's weren't all that bad.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
07-12-09, 09:17 PM
That was the least bad of the Daewoos. The dealer I worked at sold those when they were new (one of the few in MN), and Daewoos turned into the biggest POS's ever after about 4-5 years. Not sure if that's because they were crap cars or because nobody appreciated them after the brand went bankrupt.

Playdrv4me
07-12-09, 09:58 PM
Daewoos are absolute and utter GARBAGE. One of the biggest reasons they get scrapped early is because tooling for the engine parts is not readily available anymore and the engines are difficult to work on. This basically makes them a pile of scrap if they ever have engine trouble.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
07-12-09, 10:40 PM
Oh that's right, I forgot that it took us two weeks to receive any Daewoo parts we'd have to special order.

Destroyer
07-12-09, 11:12 PM
Daewoos are absolute and utter GARBAGE. One of the biggest reasons they get scrapped early is because tooling for the engine parts is not readily available anymore and the engines are difficult to work on. This basically makes them a pile of scrap if they ever have engine trouble.The Leganza that I sold him was a '99 model and it had the same motor as an Isuzu Amigo. How hard can it be to get parts for that?. My '05 Suzuki Forenza IS a Daewoo. Daewoo still builds cars, they just wear different badges. I didn't know my Suzuki was a Daewoo when I bought it. After a little research I found that Suzuki bought out Daewoo and Daewoo is still building cars. Weird but my Suzuki doesn't feel all that different from my ex '00 Camry from a quality stand point or performance stand point.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
07-12-09, 11:18 PM
I dunno why it's hard to get parts for them, but it was always two weeks out for OEM Daewoo parts. It's funny because like you said, Daewoo is still in business, heck, they even build the Aveo, which is why we'd always call it the Chevrolewoo.

Jesda
07-13-09, 12:14 AM
And I do think that the Crossfire looks like a dog taking a dump.

http://static.open.salon.com/files/thatsracistgm751224856460.gif

Playdrv4me
07-13-09, 01:19 AM
Daewoos are the last holdover of the crappy Korean era before Hyundai/Samsung/Kia et al grew up and became major players in the automotive and electronics industries, and started to give the Japanese a run for their money. In my experience, there is a reason you don't see many 100k plus mile Daewoos (or even many approaching 100k) at auctions. If you do they usually come across as "red light" (as-is lanes at the auction) due to pre-existing problems. It's also why low mileage ones are the norm. I've seen Nubiras, which are probably the worst of all of them, in NICE condition with something like 60k miles for about $1800.00 at RETAIL. They just don't hold up well over the long term, which is -also- a reason that many banks and aftermarket warranty companies either placed strict restrictions on, or completely exclude Suzuki and Daewoo products from their programs.

The parts availability issue depends on the engine type and which cars it was fitted to I suppose. Whatever motor is in the Aveo and the Suzukis obviously has a wide parts distribution here because there are still dealers. But some of the engines are extremely difficult to find parts for because there is NO supplier in the U.S. anymore. This is probably why you had to wait on parts, Chad.

The Aveos were sold in such massive quantities they are a little easier to find with high mileage on them, but I wouldn't trust them with too many miles. As much I love Hyundais/Kias... you also have to be careful with those at too high of mileage, but they get more and more reliable all the time.

As for the Daewoos and Dae-zukis, they are perfectly acceptable daily drivers so long as you don't expect a typical ages long service life from them. Plus at the dirt cheap price you can't really complain if they break, they're pretty disposable.

Destroyer
07-13-09, 10:32 PM
As for the Daewoos and Dae-zukis, they are perfectly acceptable daily drivers so long as you don't expect a typical ages long service life from them. Plus at the dirt cheap price you can't really complain if they break, they're pretty disposable.Exactly. My Daezuki had 16k miles on it for $3k. If it takes me to 60k or so miles relatively hassle free I'll gladly throw it out and feel I got my money's worth out of it.

Kev
07-14-09, 09:33 PM
This is a truck. :rolleyes:

gm1bGAMt5L8

V-Eight
07-14-09, 10:59 PM
My summer job in in a campground and I saw one of these lol, although the vehicle wasn't pink....

http://www.canadiandriver.com/testdrives/images/01aztek_tent_x.jpg

Gristle Boy
07-24-09, 04:49 PM
:ack:
http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t342/Gristleboy/cube2.jpg

inurok
07-24-09, 04:55 PM
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y193/inurok/redneck_ricer.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y193/inurok/050908_160802.jpg

V-Eight
07-24-09, 07:29 PM
HAha, it that ricer real?

Destroyer
07-25-09, 01:31 AM
:ack:
http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t342/Gristleboy/cube2.jpg
I kinda like the Nissan Cube. I never thought I'd like little foreign cars but I have to admit they make sense.

Aron9000
07-25-09, 03:36 AM
That honda reminds me of the honey wagon. It looks kind of like the hose will pull out from the hood and suck out your septic tank.

orconn
07-25-09, 11:42 PM
There is something strangely attractive about that Honda Civic. At least it appears to be functional and to the point.

V-Eight
09-07-09, 12:41 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v99/MIKLOP/02-08-09_1055.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v99/MIKLOP/02-08-09_1054.jpg

.....WTF is that chode-car?

I~LUV~Caddys8792
09-07-09, 01:21 AM
Late '90s Suzuki Vitara.

V-Eight
09-07-09, 01:29 AM
...AKA gay-mobile

Aron9000
09-07-09, 02:10 AM
...AKA gay-mobile

I guess Susuki felt the need to court those 15 or so flaming homosexuals who would've otherwise bought a Geo Tracker.

http://www.canadiandriver.com/articles/jc/images/95tracker_con4x4.jpg

I~LUV~Caddys8792
09-07-09, 02:17 AM
Those things make a Wrangler look like an S-Class.

77CDV
09-07-09, 12:12 PM
Asian SUVs FTL.

gary88
09-07-09, 01:10 PM
Asian SUVs FTL.

http://i1005.photobucket.com/albums/af175/gheb882/2001isuzuvehicross5633-396x249.jpg

:cool:

I~LUV~Caddys8792
09-07-09, 01:13 PM
Well, not ALL Asian SUVs are bad. The Land Cruiser has always been one of the premiere honest-to-god SUV's, no matter which guise it's in.

Aron9000
09-07-09, 03:59 PM
^

http://www.torasport.com/store/images/T/t-584-491.jpeg

In addition to being an ugly pile of crap, outward visibility is worse than any SUV I've ever been in, maybe worse than a Hummer H2.

orconn
09-07-09, 04:58 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v99/MIKLOP/02-08-09_1055.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v99/MIKLOP/02-08-09_1054.jpg

.....WTF is that chode-car?

For the sake of accuracy, this is not a Suzuki Vitara. It is a Suzuki X-90 which was imported for two years during the mid-nineties. Needless to say it had very little impact on the American (or any other) market. I am sure Suzuki management sat around sucking ramen and wondering "What were we thinking!" Wouldn't be surprised if several of the managers retired to Upper Hokkaido over their decison to produce the X-90.

Destroyer
09-07-09, 11:11 PM
For the sake of accuracy, this is not a Suzuki Vitara. It is a Suzuki X-90 which was imported for two years during the mid-nineties. Needless to say it had very little impact on the American (or any other) market. I am sure Suzuki management sat around sucking ramen and wondering "What were we thinking!" Wouldn't be surprised if several of the managers retired to Upper Hokkaido over their decison to produce the X-90.I always thought those were "kinda" cool. :eek:

dirt_cheap_fleetwood
09-08-09, 12:27 AM
Well, not ALL Asian SUVs are bad.

MU Wizard FTW!

Honestly I miss that truck. If another cheap one presented itself I would probably buy it, especially if it was stick shift again.

http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn17/Saber2580/My%20Cars/1992%20Rodeo/100_5970.jpg

V-Eight
09-08-09, 05:52 PM
Terrible pictures, but wow....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v99/MIKLOP/08-09-09_1535.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v99/MIKLOP/08-09-09_1536.jpg

Didn't get a chance to get one of the hood, but it was ridiculous.

thebigjimsho
09-08-09, 11:00 PM
Obviously everyone wants it! He's got The Club...

I~LUV~Caddys8792
09-08-09, 11:34 PM
Terrible pictures, but wow....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v99/MIKLOP/08-09-09_1535.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v99/MIKLOP/08-09-09_1536.jpg

Didn't get a chance to get one of the hood, but it was ridiculous.

Ah yes, the Sunfire. The ultimate preppy 16 year old girl's car.

V-Eight
09-08-09, 11:50 PM
Its one thing to drive that if that's all you can afford, but to do all that shit to it.....for shame

gary88
09-09-09, 12:04 AM
The money spent putting that stuff on could have been used to get out of driving a Sunfire :nono:

77CDV
09-09-09, 02:21 AM
A riced Sunfire? Pourquoi?

Aron9000
09-09-09, 10:44 AM
Ah yes, the Sunfire. The ultimate preppy 16 year old girl's car.

Actually its the fat, ugly, middle aged, trailer trash woman who is possibly addicted to meth ride of choice.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
09-09-09, 01:08 PM
Come to think of it, I know someone who fits that description perfectly that owns one.

Kev
09-09-09, 08:43 PM
Ah yes, the Sunfire. The ultimate preppy 16 year old girl's car.Actually its the fat, ugly, middle aged, trailer trash woman who is possibly addicted to meth, (wishing they were 16 year old girls again) ride of choice.
fixed :D

Mr. '92
09-09-09, 10:54 PM
I hate PT cruisers(the PT stands for pretty trashy). and those buggies. don't forget smart cars. Just today I was in the middle of passing one, then all of a sudden they tried to speed up so that I coldn't get by. Not that a smart car could accelerate more than my 92 DeVille but why waste the gas on a smart car. I just said "Bring It!" and proceded to go back into the lane. It was like a chiwawa trying to scare a pitbull. Not gonna happen! They learned thier lesson and backed off.

In addition, just because of all the bad experiences I've had with the drivers: I HATE solaras too! I hope I didn't offend anyone.

Aron9000
09-10-09, 02:06 AM
I hate PT cruisers(the PT stands for pretty trashy). and those buggies. don't forget smart cars. Just today I was in the middle of passing one, then all of a sudden they tried to speed up so that I coldn't get by. Not that a smart car could accelerate more than my 92 DeVille but why waste the gas on a smart car. I just said "Bring It!" and proceded to go back into the lane. It was like a chiwawa trying to scare a pitbull. Not gonna happen! They learned thier lesson and backed off.

In addition, just because of all the bad experiences I've had with the drivers: I HATE solaras too! I hope I didn't offend anyone.

Forgot about the smart car. Pulled up to one at a light one time, bumper to bumper. His whole car came about even to the cowl on my Brougham. His whole car was literally the size of my hood. I then proceeded to floor it and cut in front of him:patriot:

dirt_cheap_fleetwood
09-10-09, 11:38 PM
I have been working on the Lincoln lately and it will now spin the tires for a good ways off the line. I put a Focus in its place earlier today and damn it felt good.

Gristle Boy
09-11-09, 08:02 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v99/MIKLOP/02-08-09_1055.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v99/MIKLOP/02-08-09_1054.jpg

.....WTF is that chode-car?

:bob:"chode-car" FTW!!!!

I~LUV~Caddys8792
09-12-09, 12:45 AM
I have been working on the Lincoln lately and it will now spin the tires for a good ways off the line. I put a Focus in its place earlier today and damn it felt good.

Good. We'll have to race next meet. :lildevil:

dirt_cheap_fleetwood
09-12-09, 02:01 AM
You will still win. I did an awesome ass burnout at Strat's today though. I brake torqued it and held it for a good 20 seconds with me and 2 friends in the car. There was lots o smoke. :D

I~LUV~Caddys8792
09-12-09, 02:20 AM
That's the one thing I could do in the S Class that I can't do in the Regal, the brake stand.

eldorado99
09-12-09, 02:45 AM
That's the one thing I could do in the S Class that I can't do in the Regal, the brake stand.

I've never tried it in my cars because it is a little hard on them, but you should just be able to set the parking brake and do a great brake stand.

Aron9000
09-12-09, 03:05 AM
I've never tried it in my cars because it is a little hard on them, but you should just be able to set the parking brake and do a great brake stand.


He'll probably get an awesome 1 wheel peel doing that. I tried a brake stand in my open diff 350 TBI Brougham, and it was pretty damn lame IMO. It might have been respectable if I had a limited slip diff.

You need a limited slip differetial and some serious power if you really want to put on a smoke show. My old 1999 Z28 Camaro(LS1, 305rwhp) would simply destroy the rear tires within 15 seconds in a brake stand. On a cold(<32 degrees) day I could smoke the tires all the way to 75mph by just flooring it from a dead stop and not letting up. Provided I had the balls and was able to keep it pointed straight.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
09-12-09, 09:40 AM
Yeah, it was only a one wheel peel in the S Class. Still was cool to see that car doing that. With the Regal, I don't have to resort to any fancy antics to get the wheels to spin, I just punch it off the line, and she'll spin until about 35 or so.

V-Eight
09-12-09, 10:51 AM
You need a limited slip differetial and some serious power if you really want to put on a smoke show. My old 1999 Z28 Camaro(LS1, 305rwhp) would simply destroy the rear tires within 15 seconds in a brake stand. On a cold(<32 degrees) day I could smoke the tires all the way to 75mph by just flooring it from a dead stop and not letting up. Provided I had the balls and was able to keep it pointed straight.

Holy shit, what did you do to that car?

Aron9000
09-14-09, 01:19 AM
Holy shit, what did you do to that car?

Summer tires with no tread left + 20 degrees outside=insane wheel spin:bonkers:

It wouldn't do that trick on a warm day or with a decent set of tires, but it would usually spin them through most of 1st gear and bark them pretty hard on the 1-2 shift.

"G$"
09-22-09, 08:05 AM
http://www.thetorquereport.com/gmc_xt_denali_concept_11.jpg

dirt_cheap_fleetwood
09-22-09, 11:12 AM
^ I actually like that a lot. The wheels are a little big and the ass is a little fat, but otherwise it has good lines.

eldorado99
09-22-09, 02:22 PM
I agree, it needs to be a little less bold, but looks like it could work with a few tweaks and be pretty cool looking.

orconn
09-22-09, 07:21 PM
Oh give a break! Big wheels and thin side wall tires on a truck. Yeh, I know they do it with the Escalades, but is GM now styling for the pimp dudes of Baltimore? Actually, truth be told it looks like Pimpster meets the Honda Ridgeline!

V-Eight
09-22-09, 08:51 PM
I agree, it needs to be a little less bold, but looks like it could work with a few tweaks and be pretty cool looking.

It needs to be a little less Ridgeliney

thebigjimsho
09-22-09, 10:58 PM
Oh give a break! Big wheels and thin side wall tires on a truck. Yeh, I know they do it with the Escalades, but is GM now styling for the pimp dudes of Baltimore? Actually, truth be told it looks like Pimpster meets the Honda Ridgeline!
It's a show car. Every show car has ridiculously big wheels and tires. Where have you been?

Aron9000
09-23-09, 12:33 AM
^ That GMC could very well be the prototype for the next Honda Ridgeline, just swap the GMC badges for the H. Bang, GM just did all the design work for Honda:ack::ack::ack::ack::ack:

"G$"
09-24-09, 01:47 PM
^ That GMC could very well be the prototype for the next Honda Ridgeline, just swap the GMC badges for the H. Bang, GM just did all the design work for Honda:ack::ack::ack::ack::ack:

If the Ridgeline sucks so bad, why did GMC copy it write down to the unibody frame, same door handles on the interior, same in bed trunk, same everything.

:shhh:

orconn
09-24-09, 03:19 PM
I am not one of the Anti-Ridgeline fanatics on the forum, however I don't know how a design gets anymopre generic (nay "homely") than the Honda Pilot and Ridgeline. I have always liked Honda products in general, but after my son bought a Pilot I realized how lacking in any character the poor dears, and their Ridgeline syblings, really were. I mean even the honda's mini-van has got more pizazz than than those two! So GM using the Ridgeline as a template may be OK as far as function goes, but to use it as a styling model really makes one wonder about GM's current design staff.

V-Eight
09-24-09, 06:24 PM
If the Ridgeline sucks so bad, why did GMC copy it write down to the unibody frame, same door handles on the interior, same in bed trunk, same everything.

:shhh:

The Ridgeline sucks because of its lack of power and the fact that its FWD. This one is coming form GMC, so we know it'll have a real engine and not be a joke of a vehicle.

dirt_cheap_fleetwood
09-24-09, 09:55 PM
Didn't this concept come out before the Ridgeline?

Aron9000
09-25-09, 12:45 AM
If the Ridgeline sucks so bad, why did GMC copy it write down to the unibody frame, same door handles on the interior, same in bed trunk, same everything.

:shhh:

The GM did go bankrupt, and many bad decisions were made that led up to that, including that abortion.

ga_etc
09-25-09, 01:45 AM
http://avto-russia.ru/autos/lincoln/photo/lincoln_navigator_2.jpg

How has no one pointed out the FUGLY new Navigator? Ford has gotten really good recently at F'in up some once good looking vehicles.

77CDV
09-25-09, 04:39 AM
^Come on, now, I've always wanted a Norelco on wheels!

dirt_cheap_fleetwood
09-25-09, 08:18 AM
I LOVE the look of the new Navigators. Its the only new car that has the potential to out-chrome my Brougham.

"G$"
09-25-09, 08:22 AM
The GM did go bankrupt, and many bad decisions were made that led up to that, including that abortion.

Ha. true. I just posted that to get back at a few people. :stirpot:

Destroyer
09-25-09, 09:40 PM
^Come on, now, I've always wanted a Norelco on wheels!LMAO, that's great! The new Navigator is a seriously ugly vehicle!:eek:

Jon
09-29-09, 10:26 PM
If the Ridgeline sucks so bad, why did GMC copy it write down to the unibody frame, same door handles on the interior, same in bed trunk, same everything.

:shhh:
GM's ditched the idea of a unibody truck. Try again.

hueterm
09-30-09, 09:35 AM
I kind of like the retro Lincoln grill -- it totally saves the MKX.........

V-Eight
10-09-09, 07:49 PM
http://images.autobytel.com/Web/Carpics/NCTD/04-gx470-hero.jpg

Drove behind one of these today. It is ridiculously tall and narrow, I don't want to know the rollover rate.

itschrome
10-09-09, 08:48 PM
http://www.q45.org/cpg/albums/userpics/10001/imagejpeg_4.jpg this

V-Eight
10-09-09, 11:13 PM
^ lol

V-Eight
10-13-09, 07:07 PM
tool
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v99/MIKLOP/05-10-09_1637.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v99/MIKLOP/0921091109-00.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v99/MIKLOP/25-09-09_1026.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v99/MIKLOP/25-09-09_1027.jpg
The wheels on this Cav made it look jacked up
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v99/MIKLOP/28-09-09_1637.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v99/MIKLOP/28-09-09_1638.jpg

Aron9000
10-13-09, 10:17 PM
I was driving behind a "Honda Integra" tonight. I think some tool took the Acura and RSX badges off his car and made it all JDM. The funny part was the black paint looked horrendous and it had a huge ass dent in the back of it.

Car had the potential to be cool, but it was completely beat to hell with a huge spoiler on it.

V-Eight
10-13-09, 10:27 PM
All ricers have dents. They go drifting and realize they can't drive then they smoke curbs, trees etc. Oh wait, I don't think they ever learn....

Gristle Boy
02-24-10, 05:43 PM
http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t342/Gristleboy/l_c84e2d9f8ba315874ea143090f4509fd.jpg

CadillacCastle
02-26-10, 12:50 PM
Are you crazy?!?!

:cookoo:


The Northstar is one of the finest engines ever made.

It's smooth, quiet and powerful with some innovative features like the zero coolant limp home mode.

It practically saved Cadillac, and introduced the marque to an important younger audience.

I've met many people in the UK who only have a passing interest in cars, are not aware Cadillac ever sold any here, and even they have heard of it.

A higher than average number of head gasket failures don't make it a total rightoff. Most engines have some intrinsic flaw, many mid 90s M3's had serious problems with their aluminium heads falling apart, the Rover k series engine had major head gasket problems all its (very long) life.

As far as I'm concerned I wouldn't touch a cadillac that didn't have one. The older ones were under powered and the Chevy V8 powered ones are simple a non-exclusive engine which lets down the prestige of the car.


Now, if you were to say the Catara I'd agree with you...
:bonkers:

The Northstar is one of the finest engines ever made.
As far as I'm concerned I wouldn't touch a cadillac that didn't have one. .....you must not know about the 93-96 Fleetwoods. These were the best Cadillacs made. IMHO

CadillacCastle
02-26-10, 01:22 PM
I agree low-mid torque is more useful, especially with heavy cars.

The Northstar matched the torque figure (and even exceeded it) with a smaller engine, but of course it is waker lower down with the headline figure only really arriving at around 3,500-4k.

Still a great engine though, happy to provide good off the line performance on the lightest of throttle for normal driving in near silence, but will scream to the rev line at well over 6,000rpm and pull like a freight train while doing so. And sounds quite nice doing it. A real Jekyll and Hyde engine.

Mind you the only place online I see putting this engine down is this forum.
It always amazes me how the whole issue gets blown way out of proportion by a lot of people on here...


While we didn't get many Northstars in the UK, probably around 1,000 in the initial 98-02 run I'd say, I only know of one with a blown head gasket (and it's a small world over here). I know of a lot of mid 90's V6 Mustangs with blown head gaskets though, and a lot of burnt out TH700R4 transmissions. I've seen a lot of blown head gaskets on small block Chevy's too along with various other "common problems. Maybe out 98 on Sevilles are just too new to display many symptoms? Who knows...

Sadly if mine eventually goes the car will have to go in the bin as places over here aren't set up to deal with them which means it would be a $5,000+ repair, which is probably the same as what the car is worth...



Anyhow, sorry for going off topic...


I submit this, the Lancia Thesis:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/69/Lancia_Thesis_Kappa_20071211.jpg/800px-Lancia_Thesis_Kappa_20071211.jpg

It sells at over $60,000 new....

It's worse because it's Italian. I expect a better sense of style from them. This looks like a Huyndai...

A 60,000 car? Looks like it's had bodywork, the door paint looks a shade different color. Shouldn't the front door molding match the rest of the molding? The car behind it resembles a plymouth.