: Stupid Nav.



bigdog9586
07-01-09, 07:10 PM
Or is it me. While on trip in wife's STS w/Nav I wanted to go to a restuarant near where I was staying. Clicked on the points of interests and of course selected restuarants. Chose ALL as I just wanted to see what was near but unlike my Garmin which would have spit them out starting with the closest and listed all moving to those farther and farther away. Am I missing something on the STS Nav or is it just a piece of junk?:thepan:

WillySTS
07-01-09, 07:33 PM
Or is it me. While on trip in wife's STS w/Nav I wanted to go to a restuarant near where I was staying. Clicked on the points of interests and of course selected restuarants. Chose ALL as I just wanted to see what was near but unlike my Garmin which would have spit them out starting with the closest and listed all moving to those farther and farther away. Am I missing something on the STS Nav or is it just a piece of junk?:thepan:
You're not missing anything...that sounds about right...you have to go to the screen and click on the icons close to your location to see what they are if the icons are generic, otherwise the icons give somewhat of an indication as to what type of restaraunt it is by logo.:o

bigdog9586
07-01-09, 08:15 PM
Thanks, that what I thought. It's a real shame when a $200 Garmin out preformes a $2K+ STS.

WillySTS
07-01-09, 08:49 PM
My aftermarket Pioneer Nav in my '03 Silverado is pretty slick too(that is, better than the one in my STS) and the bluetooth is flawless for 1 phone. #2+ phones have to be linked manually is the only flaw I can think of.

trackbait
07-01-09, 08:55 PM
I put my GPS to the test today for a thorough test - right along side the Garmin stick-on.

I knew where I was going (about 60 miles away) and there 3 different ways I could have gone, all within a couple of miles of each other, but knowing the area, I took the longest mileage but virtually clear sailing in no traffic. Had I taken the "recommended' route, yes it was shorter by 6 miles, but the traffic is terrible any time day or night. Both the Garmin and STS NAV recommended the same route initially then things went downhill quickly.

The Caddy - POOR results vs the Garmin. In fact it kept telling me to turn here and there, which would have made absolutely NO sense whatsoever. On highway exits, the STS Nav only showed exit numbers, not street names. The Garmin did both.

On one MAJOR intersection of two Interstates, it never "told" or displayed the way I was supposed to go, when I already knew where I had to move from one to the other. The STS Nav still showed 4.7 miles to the next 'turn'. Have no idea where that would have taken me.

The Garmin performed flawlessly. After realizing I picked another route than the 'shortest' it quickly re-displayed the next best option. The magenta line was clear and correct.

The STS - A HUGE dissapointment. Lacked definition (mimic 3D), No clear cut "line" to follow, voice was close, but could have easily missed the mark. The two were fairly close on time to destination and miles, but that is about it.

I'll stick to my Garmin and use the DVD (with lockpick) for making calls and watching DVD's and TV with digital converter connected to Aux Vid in.

It's a damn good thing I knew the area well and what really threw me, was missing the transition from one Interstate going E/W, transitioning to another Interstate going N/S. That was a MAJOR error in my book. Left me with little confidence had I reallly not known where I was going.
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SUMMARY - STS NAV -----> Just short of junk...

bigdog9586
07-01-09, 10:13 PM
One more thing it told me to do on the way to eat. Decided on where to eat and it was about 8 miles which went fine as all freeway. Told us to take the exit, stay in left lane and turn left onto the surface street. Just as I was turning left wife saw it to the right and thats when the Nav said to make a legal U-turn when safe to do so. We went down about 1/4 mile and turned into a parking lot and Nav said you reached your destination. What a piece of junk.

next2pool
07-02-09, 12:43 AM
The whole GM nav issue is a very sad one for me. When I returned from a stint in Japan, I was in charge of advanced engineering for GM. We virtually had Nav ready to go in 1990--way ahead of the competition. Then the lawyers caused us to chicken out and we took a passive follower role. When we finally did it, we came out with the shitiest system of them all. Not only that, we outsourced it to various suppliers so that there was no consistant GM system. Inexpensive cars had good ones and premium cars had shit--no wonder we are belly up!!

hugo
07-02-09, 12:49 PM
My free year of Directions & Connections is about up and I was planning on letting it expire and just renewing the OnStar and using the built in Nav system.

I agree programming the Nav can be a PITA but I would only use it a couple of times a year and I prefer its operation to the OnStar Directions & Connections system.

I have tested both systems going to places I knew and they both worked OK but after reviewing what you guys have said I'm thinking a hundred bucks a year to keep Directions & Connections would be cheap insurance for the one time I really need help.

Any comments on the Directions & Connections system?

Are the upgrade disks for the NAV worth the outrageous price they are asking?

In hindsight, I'm beginning to think I should have saved $3,650 and skipped the NAV package.

EChas3
07-02-09, 04:41 PM
I think it comes down to competition. Who choses a car by the quality of it's Navigation System? It's a factor, but few buyers do (obviously not me).

The aftermarket is another story. There is competition for every feature/function. To spend more than $1,000 you would have to hire a chauffeur.

In all honesty, a car that could run (or interface to) any major aftermarket GPS system would have a tremendous advantage. Look at the software and applications available on phones already. GPS is not much more accurate than cell-phone tower triangulation. When the best applications become portable, technology flourishes.

Microsoft/Ford anyone?

bigdog9586
07-02-09, 04:59 PM
If they just made a small glovebox in the front of the dash where you could velcro or mount a certain size GPS to it and furnish the power, speaker wire and a antenna and the GPS makers would have a model availible in a week to fit it.
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I think it comes down to competition. Who choses
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a car by the quality of it's Navigation System? It's a factor, but few buyers do (obviously not me).

The aftermarket is another story. There is competition for every feature/function. To spend more than $1,000 you would have to hire a chauffeur.

In all honesty, a car that could run (or interface to) any major aftermarket GPS system would have a tremendous advantage. Look at the software and applications available on phones already. GPS is not much more accurate than cell-phone tower triangulation. When the best applications become portable, technology flourishes.

Microsoft/Ford anyone?

WillySTS
07-02-09, 06:00 PM
My free year of Directions & Connections is about up and I was planning on letting it expire and just renewing the OnStar and using the built in Nav system.

I agree programming the Nav can be a PITA but I would only use it a couple of times a year and I prefer its operation to the OnStar Directions & Connections system.

I have tested both systems going to places I knew and they both worked OK but after reviewing what you guys have said I'm thinking a hundred bucks a year to keep Directions & Connections would be cheap insurance for the one time I really need help.

Any comments on the Directions & Connections system?

Are the upgrade disks for the NAV worth the outrageous price they are asking?

In hindsight, I'm beginning to think I should have saved $3,650 and skipped the NAV package.

The wife and I decided, when we bought our STS-V new, our 1st NEW Cadillac and quite possibly our LAST new car, we decided since we got all the bells and whistles...we're gonna "Ring every bell and Blow every whistle!"...whith that said, we have Onstar,XM and everything else and are loving it! Yes, there are better nav's out there and better blue tooths and even faster sport sedans...so what...there always will be. It was nice enough for me to buy it nearly 3 years ago and I still love it now. I recently took a trip to another city and got more use out of my nav and onstar than I ever have. Just 'cause there are better ones out there doesn't mean the one you have is worthless.

Case in point;
I also have 2 HD tv's. One I bought in 2005 and is a 50"DLP 720p. It is connected to a 7.1 surround sound in the living room. I also have 46"LCD Sony 1080p in the bedroom, no surround. Now, just because the bedroom TV has a GREAT picture doesn't mean the front TV is worthless. We still enjoy watching TV in the front room as much as we ever did...time/progress marches on...don't trip out.:thepan:

turnerbend
07-02-09, 07:12 PM
There are now three (3) things men will lie about. Their gas mileage, their sex life and their Cadillac NAV system....they are crap.

WillySTS
07-02-09, 08:04 PM
There are now three (3) things men will lie about. Their gas mileage, their sex life and their Cadillac NAV system....they are crap.

:crying: I didn't say it was the greatest...I'm just sayn' it's in there...you're stuck with it...make the best of it...like I do with my gas mileage(how could I care about that?)...and my presciptions for Cialis are still current...I'm good.:yup:

At least it looks good and has one of the biggest screens out there:annoyed:

MacMuse
07-02-09, 09:48 PM
... Any comments on the Directions & Connections system?

Are the upgrade disks for the NAV worth the outrageous price they are asking?

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If you have a phone with GPS, then skip the Dir & Con.

As for the Nav discs - I'd love to have an updated set that shows the 13 mile stretch of I-355 around Joliet/Chicago that's been open for like 3 YEARS! But the 2008 discs still don't show it. I would definitely not buy a set every year, but maybe once every 3-4 years.

MacMuse
07-02-09, 09:51 PM
Microsoft/Ford anyone?

I cringe at the thought of being surrounded by cars running Microsoft software.

(oh dang, my windshield just blue-screened again)

EChas3
07-02-09, 11:32 PM
I recall some joke about if cars were powered by Microsoft...

Was the punchline like: Close all the windows, restart it and proceed!


I agree with WillySTS, the dash and Nav screen are superior.

I also agree with MacMuse to a large extent. In Information Technology, hardware and software choices are becoming independent. (After 40 years in the industry, I am seeing true hardware/operating system/software independence from desktop to enterprise systems.)

If I could cost effectively use a particular model's inbuilt navigation display with a large number of vendor's systems, that car would be much more attractive.

MacMuse
07-03-09, 09:03 AM
Snopes (great site that debunks or confirms urban legends) has the full version of the Microsoft/GM joke...

http://www.snopes.com/humor/jokes/autos.asp

Force-1
07-04-09, 01:08 PM
I just returned from a 3800 mile vacation road trip, and the nav got me to every hotel, home, restaurant, and POI I programmed into it, with just 2 minor glitches.

bigdog9586
07-04-09, 02:27 PM
That's the problem. You have to program everything into it. What if I was driving down the highway and I was dead tired and decided I needed a place to stay. On my Garmin I just tell it to list all the motels near me and it spits out a list starting with the closest going to the farthest away. I don't have to bring up the map, program the way points to ONLY show me motels and then spend the next who knows how long touching each POI on the map to see what it is. This is stupid on a $2+K Nav system when a $200 Garmin will do as I said at the begining. I expect a whole lot more out of the GM Nav. I also don't expect it to take me to a place to eat off the freeway where I can see it is just around the corner to the right about 50 feet and have it tell me to turn left and when safe to make a uturn in the middle of the road to get to the business and then when I find a place after turning left a half mile down the road tell me I have reached my destination though I'm a 1/2 mi. away in the wrong direction.
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I just returned from a 3800 mile vacation road trip, and the nav got me to every hotel, home, restaurant, and POI I programmed into it, with just 2 minor glitches.

Superjim
07-04-09, 04:40 PM
Sorry to hear of your disappointment in the nav system

With well over 100,000 miles on two 2006 DTS's, I am pretty happy with mine.
I don't seem to have all the trouble that you do. (For which I am very grateful)

We travel a lot and it works pretty darn good...but I do not have a Garmin to compare it to, I have never needed one...yet. :duck:

Maybe the DTS and STS use a different map system or display system, but mine shows the NAMES on the POI's when I zoom in. If I am zoomed OUT... I have to touch each one to get the name.

I sometimes just push the OnStar button...tell the nice lady what I am looking for and she tells me how to get there. :cool2:
Saves a lot of frustration.

Texas Jim

bigdog9586
07-04-09, 05:30 PM
Maybe thats why GM's Nav is so crappy they want you to spend the extra money on the On Star.
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Sorry to hear of your disappointment in the nav system

With well over 100,000 miles on two 2006 DTS's, I am pretty happy with mine.
I don't seem to have all the trouble that you do. (For which I am very grateful)

We travel a lot and it works pretty darn good...but I do not have a Garmin to compare it to, I have never needed one...yet. :duck:

Maybe the DTS and STS use a different map system or display system, but mine shows the NAMES on the POI's when I zoom in. If I am zoomed OUT... I have to touch each one to get the name.

I sometimes just push the OnStar button...tell the nice lady what I am looking for and she tells me how to get there. :cool2:
Saves a lot of frustration.

Texas Jim

Superjim
07-04-09, 05:41 PM
Maybe thats why GM's Nav is so crappy they want you to spend the extra money on the On Star.
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Maybe so...but I am pretty happy with mine.
Sorry that you are not.

Texas Jim

Force-1
07-04-09, 07:07 PM
That's the problem. You have to program everything into it. What if I was driving down the highway and I was dead tired and decided I needed a place to stay. On my Garmin I just tell it to list all the motels near me and it spits out a list starting with the closest going to the farthest away. I don't have to bring up the map, program the way points to ONLY show me motels and then spend the next who knows how long touching each POI on the map to see what it is. This is stupid on a $2+K Nav system when a $200 Garmin will do as I said at the begining. I expect a whole lot more out of the GM Nav. I also don't expect it to take me to a place to eat off the freeway where I can see it is just around the corner to the right about 50 feet and have it tell me to turn left and when safe to make a uturn in the middle of the road to get to the business and then when I find a place after turning left a half mile down the road tell me I have reached my destination though I'm a 1/2 mi. away in the wrong direction.
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I do agree with your Garmin comments. I just bought my 3rd Garmin (nuvi 855), and it is definitely more user friendly and capable than the in-dash STS nav. I had it in the trunk in case the STS had issues--it stayed in the trunk.

rchern
07-05-09, 09:55 PM
Since I'm thinking about buying a CTS, after seeing this thread, I started a thread on the CTS forum to try to see how they felt about the factory navigation system. As strongly as the STS people felt against it, most of the CTS people that strong for it. What gives?

Superjim
07-05-09, 10:15 PM
Since I'm thinking about buying a CTS, after seeing this thread, I started a thread on the CTS forum to try to see how they felt about the factory navigation system. As strongly as the STS people felt against it, most of the CTS people that strong for it. What gives?


I have wondered that also.
In the DTS forum, most people that have the nav...like it.
In the GM truck forum, that I am on, most people there like it.
I don't know what the deal is with the STS nav system...but several people here sure seem to dislike it... A LOT. :bonkers:

EChas3
07-05-09, 11:20 PM
I too, wonder about this. I will grant that the STS Nav may be clumsy compared to many, but I really like ours now that I know how to use it. With a Lockpick, it does everything I need. In fact, on my recent vacation, it guided us to a mountain top that we would have missed.

It would be nice for map disks to be more current, cheaper, etc. but quibbling about $200 bucks on a car that listed for $39-66K is pointless.

TimmyC
07-06-09, 02:07 PM
The nav on my car blows too. It'll get you where you want to go but you'll probably go way out of the way. I've used it a few times where I knew where I was going and the route prescribed was 10 miles further than necessary. It wants you to get on the highway for every trip, even if you're just going down the street. Plus it's a huge pain to program. It really is a POS.

hugo
07-06-09, 03:19 PM
I just checked the GM NAV disc center and it says that I need;

2009 NA CORV/GP/STS/9-5, North America.
The disc is currently back ordered, part number 25976806, $199.

Since this has been on back order for as long as I can remember, does anyone actually have one and is it worth the wait?

WillySTS
07-06-09, 04:13 PM
Since I'm thinking about buying a CTS, after seeing this thread, I started a thread on the CTS forum to try to see how they felt about the factory navigation system. As strongly as the STS people felt against it, most of the CTS people that strong for it. What gives?

The difference is they ARE different...The '08+ CTS nav has XM Nav Traffic as well as a few other things and IS great. I think the "08+ trucks do too, at least the Escalades do. The STS nav was designed in '04 for the '05+ models. And since the car is being discontinued no update is planned. The STS nav is not the worse one available in a Cadillac, the SRX and XLR nav's seem archaic to me. I don't know how good a Garmin was in 2004, but I would imagine it is not as good as it is now

MacMuse
07-06-09, 10:08 PM
Since I'm thinking about buying a CTS, after seeing this thread, I started a thread on the CTS forum to try to see how they felt about the factory navigation system. As strongly as the STS people felt against it, most of the CTS people that strong for it. What gives?

Check a Corvette forum - they have the same NAV as the STS.

...just did a 10 minute check of the main vette forum - and couldn't find a single complaint thread. strange.

bigdog9586
07-06-09, 10:30 PM
I am the one who started this thread I think of many and I have the 09 disk which isn't any better than the 08 one or for that matter the 07. What I find bad about it is the price of the GM nav against the cheap Garmin. Now if GM sold theirs for what you pay for the Garmin than I could live with it. I sure don't understand how the CTS people could like it as I bet it is the same thing as we have but maybe in a different wrapper. Bottom line the things it don't do for over 2 grand is bull. :banghead:
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I just checked the GM NAV disc center and it says that I need;

2009 NA CORV/GP/STS/9-5, North America.
The disc is currently back ordered, part number 25976806, $199.

Since this has been on back order for as long as I can remember, does anyone actually have one and is it worth the wait?

bigdog9586
07-06-09, 10:34 PM
One thing I don't understand is how come I can use Street Atlas on my laptop and it comes on ONE DVD and it has almost every road in the United STates on it where as I'm always running into places just outside of good size towns where as the GM nav doesn't work.
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The difference is they ARE different...The '08+ CTS nav has XM Nav Traffic as well as a few other things and IS great. I think the "08+ trucks do too, at least the Escalades do. The STS nav was designed in '04 for the '05+ models. And since the car is being discontinued no update is planned. The STS nav is not the worse one available in a Cadillac, the SRX and XLR nav's seem archaic to me. I don't know how good a Garmin was in 2004, but I would imagine it is not as good as it is now

Force-1
07-07-09, 12:33 AM
One thing I don't understand is how come I can use Street Atlas on my laptop and it comes on ONE DVD and it has almost every road in the United STates on it where as I'm always running into places just outside of good size towns where as the GM nav doesn't work.
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I believe it's all the POIs that require the extra room--not the roadways.

stevenriz
07-07-09, 11:10 AM
I am in agreement with the majority here. Although I like the STS Nav, my Navigon is far superior in directions, saying street names and poi's list in order of distance from your location. I can't even get the POI's to work properly or I just don't know how to do it I guess. As we drive down the highway, I see food, money and accomodations signs pop up but I don't know how to access them. I touch those icons and nothing happens. If we want to look for a POI, we have to pull over and use the nav while stopped. What a pain, especially if you are on a busy freeway... I gave the navigon to my girlfriend but we are going to use it on a trip this weekend because it is so easy to program...