: Well, This Was Unexpected



dirt_cheap_fleetwood
06-30-09, 01:43 AM
But I bought a Lincoln. :hmm:

Yep, I was flipping through Craigslist tonight and came across this, a 1988 Mark VII LSC. Its got 107k miles and he wanted $1700 for it. I went to have a look, and its in rather good condition. No rust anywhere, there is just a little bubbling on the leading edge of the trunk. I paid $1500.

I talked to the guy for a while to find out its history. He has owned the car for the past 15 years and has taken pretty good care of it. The suspension was completely replaced a few years ago, both the bags and compressor. It has newer Michelin Hydroedge tires on it and the A/C has been converted to R-134 and is in working order.

It has a few minor issues. The radio does not play actual radio, but the tape player works flawlessly. Que the mp3 tape adapter and I'm good to go. The cruise does not work, but I don't really need that for my around town daily driver. The driver seat was torn but he put a cover on it, so there is no perforated leather for me bum. :( There is a short in the dash so the tach and the fuel gauge are inoperative when the headlights are on, no big issue there either. The power steering pump may also be on its way out, but that I can replace myself with relative ease. He even included all the factory service manuals for the car. Its mostly just little things that I will simply deal with and not waste time trying to fix. Nothing a little TLC can't solve. As I said, this is just an around town daily driver to keep me from putting miles on the Brougham while I wait for my grandparents to sell their Infiniti. I should be able to sell the car for what I paid.

Now the fun part, performance. Yes. It is not blazing fast, but its got some definite go under the hood. It handles like you wouldn't friggin believe. On the way home there was a time when there were no other cars within a half mile of me on the highway so I decided to do some rapid lane changes at 65mph. It was fun. The ride is also superb, easily on par with my old '95 DeVille. This thing soaks up the bumps perfectly but you can whip it around a corner if you wanted to. Interior noise is so so but not unbearable. The owner also had Mustang GT mufflers installed recently so it has a very nice grumble to it when you get on the throttle.

The interior is nice, a little snug, but I am tall so its hard to find one I fit nicely in. There are so many buttons, I am in heaven. :cloud9: The seats are extremely comfortable and even has leg supports that are power adjustable. :)

That's all for tonight, more pictures to come tomorrow in the daylight, hopefully.



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gdwriter
06-30-09, 02:40 AM
Congrats; should make for an entertaining daily driver so you can keep that beautiful Brougham in as nice a shape as it's in.

Aron9000
06-30-09, 02:45 AM
Moar buttons=Moar luxary!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I've always liked those from a design perspective. They were one of the first cars to use composite headlamps in this country too. Did those cars have an IRS or was it a solid axle?

DopeStar 156
06-30-09, 02:58 AM
I miss my 89 Mark VII.... :(

Night Wolf
06-30-09, 07:07 AM
Sweet, another Lincoln owner! Hopefully I'll get myself off my butt to sell mine soon. Desire to drive it lately? None.

Should be a fun ride tho. You may want to change the TV bushings on the trans as perventative maintenance, if it goes out the trans will be done in a matter of miles.

Check out lincolnsonline for excellent tech writeups.

96Fleetwood
06-30-09, 08:25 AM
Unexpected happens... I was supposed to purchase a new G8 GT... and came home with a Ferd... errr... Marauder thing :suspect: Good thing is our Cadillacs stay preserved!

I remember my Father purchased a '87 Mark VII new... he traded it on a '87 Vette later that year because the Mark leaked oil since new and the small town dealer refused to fix it. I was only 7 at the time, but I do remember all the gadgets (the removable top in the Vette made up for the lack of buttons).

Enjoy it! Gotta love these uber cheap "throw away" cars as daily drivers!

I~LUV~Caddys8792
06-30-09, 09:10 AM
I like those! The Mark VII's are always overshadowed by the Mark VIII's, but the VII is a heck of a cool car as well. The styling is very cool, and pretty timeless, especially considering it was originally penned in probably 1981 or '82. John, I know you're like me when it comes to this, but big square cars rock! Nothing like having hard-edged curves and razor sharp lines.. How's the 302's power? Does it compare well to the 4.9's power in your '95 DeVille? Is it a lot faster than your Brougham?

Aron, it has an IRS. Four bar link with air spring on lower arm and a stabilizer bar.

You got a heck of a good deal for $1500, be proud! Is it a greyish color or like a light blue? I have the 1989 and '90 Mark VII brochures at home and I can tell you the exterior color name. The interior color is called shadow blue. Are you planning on bringing this to the track during the meet? I'd be curious to see what it runs.. You and Brian need to have a "who can buy and sell more cars in a year" competition. I think he's up to four now. Is this your 4th as well?

Enjoy it! Now go make a burnout video! :lildevil:

RightTurn
06-30-09, 11:03 AM
Nice. Now we need those daytime pics. :D

dirt_cheap_fleetwood
06-30-09, 11:16 AM
First thing to fix is the power steering pump, its going. It makes fantastic noises when you turn at stop and the fluid is nice and milky. Yum.

Chad, the power is fairly good, but less than what I expected from what is essentially a fancy Mustang or Thunderbird. From a dead stop it is a dog but at high RPM it is much quicker. The thing is a rocket from 25-65 and pulls pretty well all the way past 85. It is easily the best performing car I have ever owned, but that is not saying much (Isuzu FTW!). The '95 had much more off the line power and so does the Brougham but above 30 they both died off significantly. The Lincoln is also the only car I have owned to have headers and true dual exhaust. It is a light blue exterior.

I forgot to mention this thing has automatic high beams, just like the Caddies did back in the day. It will automatically turn the high beams on and off when it sees oncoming traffic. It works pretty well and I was playing with it on the way home.

hueterm
06-30-09, 11:31 AM
I love Mark VIIs.....

Florian
06-30-09, 11:38 AM
I think you overpaid.


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billc83
06-30-09, 12:11 PM
Congrats on the new ride.

orconn
06-30-09, 01:09 PM
Sure has got alot of buttons, assuming tey all do something signicant you should have fun! I very rarely see Continentals of that vintage here in Richmond, actually I don't remember them being that common when they were new. My step-father had a 1985 Thunderbird Turbo that we inherited when it had 17,000 miles on it (it was 9 years old, my mother had used it to get groceries after my step-father passed pass away). These mid 1980's Ford products were the companies attempts to put some quality back into their cars. They were also the first of the "Jelly Bean" cars along with the Taurus and Sables. The Thunderbird Turbo was a darling of the Car press at the time. Truth be told it was OK when it got its' boost up but was a dogoff the line. The suspension was prretty oogd and those huge tires really did their job. The Turbo ended up being my son's high school car and was stolen (really) from in front of the house just before I was to try and sell it! The only car I have ever had stolen.

gdwriter
06-30-09, 02:08 PM
That damn Craigslist. :histeric:

I was just browsing Craigslist for Cadillacs right before the February Chicago meet when I found that '02 Seville, and that got me thinking about an upgrade. Although I didn't buy that car, it did keep me looking, and I found a nicer Seville with fewer miles for a better price. Win-win-win! And four months and 6,000 miles later, I'm still crazy about the car.

MauiV
06-30-09, 03:43 PM
Nice buy, love those cars. Tons of go-fast parts for that 5.0.

There is a burgandy one here in town with a cam, headers and tach/shift light on the dash. He thought he wanted some of the Caddy one day, he was wrong.

dirt_cheap_fleetwood
06-30-09, 10:07 PM
Well, here's the daytime pictures. As I said, the body is damn near perfect, which as others can attest is rare around here. A little bit of work to get rid of the yellow in the headlights and it will look great. There is just the one small bubbling spot near the trunk. It looks very close to the color of the Brougham but it is slightly lighter. The interior is worn but not completely beat to hell. I had no idea you could have so many controls just for headlights.


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Red_October_7000
06-30-09, 10:50 PM
Damn! That's a nice car! Needs some tender loving care with Armour-All and a trip to the scrap yard for some fresher parts, but those things asside, it's awesome! Those Lincoln Coupès were sweet, I'd love to have one and mod the piss outta it so it'd blow the doors off anything else. Best of luck with it!

Destroyer
06-30-09, 11:54 PM
The Mark VII has always been a body style I love. About 6 months ago I went and test drove a black '88 LSC with 17" Black Bullet wheels and a 5 speed (owner modified). Looked sharp but drove like crap. The manual transmission just felt bad throws were too long and the clutch would not go all the way down, etc. Needed paint and the interior was falling apart. That specific one was great in concept but terrible in excecution.

Eric Kahn
07-01-09, 12:08 AM
but you really wanted the 84 turbo diesel version :D

Red_October_7000
07-01-09, 01:52 AM
There was one, I can't remember, it was a sedan that looked like that, that you could get with the manual from the factory. Was a very low production option like the diesel IIRC. I've pictues of one somewhere.

EDIT: Ah, I figured it out. It was an option on the GTC, which itself was a rare option on top of the LSC. Combined a High-output 5.8 litre engine with the 5-speed and a different rear-end ratio. Exactly what I want as a "turnkey" solution. The production figures I saw, though, were so low I doubt any GTC cars still exist (fewer than fifty were made) much less any with the 5-speed (part of the top package on the GTC, it had the 5.8 litre and the 5-speed, only a handful were ordered.)

orconn
07-01-09, 02:42 AM
It is interesting that it had cloth inserts in the door panels while the seats are leather. By the way the seats are the same as the ones in the Thunderbird Turbo, same adjustable leg support and side bolstering with adjustable lumbar support. Looks pretty neat in the daylight, should be a fun daily driver ...... certainly not one you see every day!

Jesda
07-01-09, 05:52 PM
THE 80S ARE BACK

Nice car! Are you going to put insulation in the doors to reduce noise?

ted tcb
07-01-09, 06:25 PM
Great score!
I owned a new 1988 LSC.
I recall mine as being very quick when going WOT at about 40mph.
Gas mileage driving from Canada to Florida was about 22 on the highway.
Very quiet, killer stereo, and very muscular aesthetics.
If there was a weak spot, it didn't track as well on the highway as my fwd
Maxima.
I put two snow tires on the back, and it was a great car during our
northern Ontario winters.

Weak spots were pitting BBS rims, and the clear coat finish literally disintegrated after a couple of Canadian winters.
The Lincoln district rep didn't help me with the clearcoat issue, so my next 30 or so cars have not been Ford products.

I've rarely seen LSC's in the condition of yours.
The body is really quite nice ... what can you expect from the interior.
My seats started cracking after about 2 or 3 years, so yours look pretty good after 20 plus years.

Enjoy the ride ... makes me miss mine.
Does the trunk closedown still work???

77CDV
07-01-09, 06:41 PM
Congratulations on a well-bought classy DD.

dirt_cheap_fleetwood
07-01-09, 08:35 PM
Enjoy the ride ... makes me miss mine.
Does the trunk closedown still work???

Yeah, it still works. I spent about an hour last night looking in the trunk for the code to the damn keyless entry only to discover it is actually printed on the trunk lid support arm. :banghead: I cannot begin to describe how soft and cushy the ride is yet the car handles superbly. Chad will have to do a review of it in August.

Jesda, the noise does not bother me. The Brougham ain't exactly the quietest thing on the road either. The mirror make so much wind noise at highway speed its not even funny.

hueterm
07-01-09, 08:40 PM
Did the Bill Blass leather hold up better than the LSC leather? Did they both have the same engine?

I~LUV~Caddys8792
07-01-09, 09:50 PM
Yes, the BB and LSC have the same 225hp 302's, atleast they did in the end. The differences between the two models consist of different seats, more chrome on the BB, along with a wood trim interior, different wheels (BB's have wire spokes) and a digital dash on the BB.

Both your cars have big square headlights and are light blue. :)

dirt_cheap_fleetwood
07-01-09, 10:51 PM
Both your cars have big square headlights and are light blue. :)

Yeah, I didn't really plan it that way. I just like blue.

hueterm
07-01-09, 10:58 PM
I just wonder if the perf'ed leather in the LSC is more prone to wear than the leather in the BB? Almost all of the seats in LSCs that I see have really worn leather and/or failing bolsters.

ted tcb
07-01-09, 11:38 PM
I think the aggresive design of the LSC bolsters just equates to premature wear.
You pretty much drag your body across the bolster to get into that seat.
The Bill Blass seats were a flat design by comparison.

I thought the car had a pretty amazing trip computer for that period in time.

Destroyer
07-01-09, 11:45 PM
Yes, the BB and LSC have the same 225hp 302's, atleast they did in the end. The differences between the two models consist of different seats, more chrome on the BB, along with a wood trim interior, different wheels (BB's have wire spokes) and a digital dash on the BB.

Both your cars have big square headlights and are light blue. :)Bill Blass had 150hp vs 225hp for the LSC.

dirt_cheap_fleetwood
07-02-09, 12:24 AM
Bill Blass had 150hp vs 225hp for the LSC.

That was the older models. Starting in 1988 they all had the 225hp 5.0L engine.

I have been pouring through the FSMs that came with the car just for fun and I have come to the conclusion that GM manuals are 100x better. The Ford ones don't even have wiring diagrams for at least half the systems on the car and its a PITA to find any information in them. GM hired way better mechanical drawers as well.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
07-02-09, 07:52 AM
All u need now is a tacky '80s era vanity plate! :p

Night Wolf
07-02-09, 11:13 AM
That was the older models. Starting in 1988 they all had the 225hp 5.0L engine.

I have been pouring through the FSMs that came with the car just for fun and I have come to the conclusion that GM manuals are 100x better. The Ford ones don't even have wiring diagrams for at least half the systems on the car and its a PITA to find any information in them. GM hired way better mechanical drawers as well.

Heh, 1996 TC manuals are easy - step by step with pictures. Even then I have not needed them yet. I have a sepreate electrical/ vaccum manual, maybe your car has one too but you don't have it?

dirt_cheap_fleetwood
07-02-09, 12:19 PM
I have three books. There is a Chassis/Electrical, a Powertrain and a Body manual. The Chassis/Electrical is mostly chassis stuff and leaves much to be desired in the electrical segment.