: Name that car . . . .



Aron9000
06-25-09, 02:33 PM
This is a fun thread we did on another board. I'll post a pic of some oddball car, and everybody has to guess what it is. The first person to guess correctly gets to post the next car. You can only post another car if you guess correctly. Anyways . . . .

http://i41.tinypic.com/2ut2dxv.jpg

Ranger
06-25-09, 03:09 PM
One thing is for sure. With padded chains VS doors it sure ain't American.

itschrome
06-25-09, 03:53 PM
looks like a custom VW thing.

Gristle Boy
06-25-09, 04:05 PM
Some kinda trebant?

dkozloski
06-25-09, 04:32 PM
Dkw?

billc83
06-25-09, 05:33 PM
Not sure, but I think it may be an old Crosley.

hardrockcamaro@mac.c
06-25-09, 05:40 PM
It's a Mini Moke isn't it?

EDIT: Actually, no it isn't, the wheel arches are wrong...

RightTurn
06-25-09, 06:13 PM
Renault?

Gristle Boy
06-25-09, 06:36 PM
I wuz right.... it's a Trebant "Tramp".:domo:

Gristle Boy
06-25-09, 06:52 PM
:bob:http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t342/Gristleboy/HideousPOS.jpg:bob:

hardrockcamaro@mac.c
06-25-09, 07:22 PM
It's a Daihatsu according to the badge.

Given the licence plate I'd say a Daihatsu Naked but surely not?!

Gristle Boy
06-25-09, 07:52 PM
Bingo! Hideous ain't it?

hardrockcamaro@mac.c
06-25-09, 07:59 PM
http://homepage.mac.com/hardrockcamaro/.Pictures/misc/carguess1.jpg

orconn
06-25-09, 10:56 PM
It's got to be British, no else would put a top loke that on a car. Do they still make Turners? If they do I'd bet it was a Turner!

I~LUV~Caddys8792
06-25-09, 11:50 PM
Tvr....?

ga_etc
06-26-09, 02:23 AM
Looks like the illegitimate lovechild of a Corvette and a Miata...

hardrockcamaro@mac.c
06-26-09, 03:54 AM
It is British yes...

Aron9000
06-26-09, 03:56 AM
http://homepage.mac.com/hardrockcamaro/.Pictures/misc/carguess1.jpg

Is it a lotus, judging by the badge?

hardrockcamaro@mac.c
06-26-09, 05:40 AM
Good guess to be fair, but no.

It is a very small car company, they typically produce kit cars for you to build at home, but this is one of the few production cars they made in the early 90s, you bought it ready built like a regular car. It does have a small V8 engine...

Hooligan63
06-26-09, 09:13 AM
Is it a Fisher Fury Spyder?

orconn
06-26-09, 10:33 AM
No, it couldn't be a Grunsford-Beevly Barkmore roadster!

hardrockcamaro@mac.c
06-26-09, 11:52 AM
Ironically you're the closest! LOL!

Well, it does start with a G...

orconn
06-26-09, 12:56 PM
The car is a Ginetta G27

hardrockcamaro@mac.c
06-26-09, 01:08 PM
Hehe, a G33 but yes, virtually identical.

Here's the original review on the "old style" Top Gear:

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/Top-Gear-19911031_209651.htm

Aron9000
06-26-09, 04:10 PM
Post a car up orconn, you're next!

orconn
06-26-09, 06:14 PM
Post a car up orconn, you're next!

I am having trouble posting the picture, so go ahead and post one, Aron9000, in my place.

Aron9000
06-26-09, 07:29 PM
Easy one.

http://i42.tinypic.com/2vwvh3m.jpg

hardrockcamaro@mac.c
06-26-09, 07:39 PM
The original Cadillac isn't it?
Was it called the "A"?

Rodya234
06-26-09, 07:46 PM
Yep, thats the 1903 Cadillac Model A.

Gristle Boy
06-26-09, 07:57 PM
Did the Bluetooth support the iPhone?:duck:

hardrockcamaro@mac.c
06-26-09, 08:16 PM
Here's a very rare and unusual one:

http://homepage.mac.com/hardrockcamaro/.Pictures/misc/carguess2.jpg

Eric Kahn
06-26-09, 08:19 PM
looks like the areo-car without the wings

Sevillian273
06-26-09, 08:21 PM
Thats a Radio-Flyer! I had one when I was a kid! :D

hardrockcamaro@mac.c
06-26-09, 08:27 PM
looks like the areo-car without the wings

Correct! I think they made like 3 or 6 or something?
Worth about 3 million these days?

billc83
06-28-09, 07:16 PM
I was under the impression that no running examples of an Aerocar existed. Wow.

We need a new car!

Eric Kahn
06-28-09, 08:15 PM
Just checked back, will have to find a car to post :)

Eric Kahn
06-28-09, 08:25 PM
http://home.fuse.net/kubla/mystery.jpg
have fun

billc83
06-28-09, 09:57 PM
Stupid brass era cars all look the same to me.

My best guess is one of the three P's, but I really have no clue...

creeker
06-28-09, 09:58 PM
http://home.fuse.net/kubla/mystery.jpg
have fun

Dusenburg?. The eagle might indicate it's american.

MauiV
06-28-09, 10:02 PM
A Pope-Hartford?

Sevillian273
06-28-09, 10:33 PM
The steering wheel and gearbox is on the right.

orconn
06-28-09, 11:04 PM
Is it an Anheisser-Busch mobile? Actually I remember seeing this picture of the car in my old copies of Automobile Quarterly.

Eric Kahn
06-28-09, 11:16 PM
its american, they made 45,000 of them between 1906 and 1914 or so cars of that time had steering wheels on whatever side the maker put them, no standard back then

RightTurn
06-28-09, 11:18 PM
Is it an Anheisser-Busch mobile?

:lol:

orconn
06-28-09, 11:44 PM
Perhaps is it a four seater American Flyer?

orconn
06-29-09, 12:27 AM
Perhaps is it a four seater American Flyer?

Oops, I meant Thomas Flyer!

Hooligan63
06-29-09, 04:22 PM
American Underslung?

hardrockcamaro@mac.c
06-29-09, 04:55 PM
Is it a Winton of some sort?

orconn
06-29-09, 07:07 PM
American Underslung?

You got it, it is an American Underslung!

Hooligan63
06-29-09, 08:25 PM
Yeah,talk about old,I loved the external brake and gearbox,but your info was wrong,they stopped production in 1914..So,my turn I guess

This is a one of a kind sports car,only one exists,and is one of the fastest cars in the world and was built in 1995:

Eric Kahn
06-29-09, 08:35 PM
Yep American underslung, wish I could afford one, but not going to happen

hardrockcamaro@mac.c
06-29-09, 09:01 PM
Yeah,talk about old,I loved the external brake and gearbox,but your info was wrong,they stopped production in 1914..So,my turn I guess

This is a one of a kind sports car,only one exists,and is one of the fastest cars in the world and was built in 1995:

Lotech (Lotec?).

I forget the exact model.
Custom made for some rich middle eastern guy iirc.

billc83
06-29-09, 10:14 PM
hardrockcamaro gets that one.

FROM WIKIPEDIA

Lotec is a German sports car manufacturer. The company was founded in 1962 by Kurt Lotterschmid. By 1969, the firm began building race cars, and would turn their attention to modifications for Porsches in 1975. In 1983, they began to create aftermarket aerodynamic and performance parts for Mercedes-Benz cars.

In 1990, Lotec was commissioned by an oil baron from the United Arab Emirates to build a sports car for him. The completed vehicle (known as the Lotec C1000) was completed in 1995, at a final price of around $3.4 million dollars (USD). The car is equipped with a 5.6L Mercedes-Benz V8. The engine was fitted with two turbochargers for a total output of 1000hp.

In the year 2004, the company completed its first production vehicle, badged the Sirius. The Sirius is powered by the same 5987cc Mercedes-Benz V12 as the Pagani Zonda. Lotec claims that the car will produce 1000hp, or up to 1200hp when tuned differently. The vehicle itself is composed primarily of reinforced carbon fiber, which lends to its relatively low curb weight. Lotec has also announced a re-designed version of the Sirius for 2009, that changes some of the body work but retains the same motor and transmission as the current model.

hardrockcamaro@mac.c
06-29-09, 10:25 PM
http://homepage.mac.com/hardrockcamaro/.Pictures/misc/carguess3.jpg

billc83
06-29-09, 10:30 PM
:histeric: I just saw one of these on Craigslist.

It's a Corbin Sparrow! Craiglist Ad I JUST looked at like 5 minutes ago... (http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/1243766461.html)

Blue is a much nicer color, though that's not saying much...

billc83
06-29-09, 10:44 PM
I'll toss one out there, softball style:

http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=814&pictureid=4203

Probably too easy...

Hooligan63
06-29-09, 11:02 PM
I'll toss one out there, softball style:

http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=814&pictureid=4203

Probably too easy...

It's an invisi-car,made famous by the Invisible Woman of Fantastic Four fame,and produced by Mr. Fantastic?

Hooligan63
06-29-09, 11:05 PM
hardrockcamaro gets that one.

FROM WIKIPEDIA

Wikipedia misquoted...Yes,hardrockcamaro got it,it's the Lotec 1000,built for a man in Dubai,but is now making the auction rounds in the US.

http://www.tvrfreak.com/Albums/Trips/2003%2005%2023%20Lotec/

Here's the specs:
Year (of specifications) 1995
Engine 5547 cc twin turbo Mercedes V8
Transmission 5 speed manual
Max speed 252 mph
0-60 mph 3.2 seconds
Horsepower 850 bhp @ 6200 rpm


For sale here:
http://carolina-auto-sports.ebizautos.com/detail-1995-lotec-c-1000-2856788.html

Aron9000
06-30-09, 01:20 AM
http://homepage.mac.com/hardrockcamaro/.Pictures/misc/carguess3.jpg

Its Dori the blue fish
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc176/linamarcelae87/dori.jpg

Hooligan63
06-30-09, 09:46 AM
Its Dori the blue fish
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc176/linamarcelae87/dori.jpg

Hahahaha....Priceless...Let's just hope it doesn't forget what it's doing or where it's going..I thought it resembled the worlds fastest toilet.

Aron9000
06-30-09, 02:16 PM
I'll toss one out there, softball style:

http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=814&pictureid=4203

Probably too easy...


Its the top secret government stealth car, so stealthy its invisible to a camerea.

Post up a pic!!!!!!!!!!!

billc83
06-30-09, 06:34 PM
Err...is that not visible to everyone? It's OK on my browser...

One sec.

Either it's visible now, or here's a link to the pic in a photo album (http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=814&pictureid=4203).

http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=814&pictureid=4203

Can you see me now?

hardrockcamaro@mac.c
06-30-09, 06:49 PM
Bricklin SV-1

Gull wing doors rule. :)

billc83
06-30-09, 07:02 PM
A dim bulb brightens. Sorry guys, I was totally unaware that my picture wasn't displaying. I even spent some time looking up "Invisi-car" to see if they used a Bricklin as her ride!

It's a shame gullwing doors never caught on. They not only look cool, but actually require less side clearance than conventional doors (when hinged correctly; i.e. near the center of the roof).

In any event, hardrockcamaro gets another one, despite my attempt to hide the gullwing aspect by posting a side view...

Rodya234
06-30-09, 07:04 PM
dammit! stop getting them when I'm not paying attention LOL :crybaby:

:lol:

hardrockcamaro@mac.c
06-30-09, 08:25 PM
OK, I'll post this up before head off to bed...


http://homepage.mac.com/hardrockcamaro/.Pictures/misc/carguess4.jpg

Although you can see it's a race car, they had to sell road going versions to the public with the same bodywork and mechanicals to use them in the racing.
Make and exact model in this race style trim please...

<grin>

Rodya234
06-30-09, 08:32 PM
I'll hazard a guess and say..... Peugeot 205 Turbo 16?

Eric Kahn
06-30-09, 11:07 PM
Renault 5?
B class rally car

orconn
06-30-09, 11:13 PM
Actually it was a Renault 5 Turbo sports racing and rally car. One of the top "hot cars" of the 1980's

hardrockcamaro@mac.c
07-01-09, 03:55 AM
Good thinking, you're all in the right ballpark, but wrong cars...

Eric Kahn
07-01-09, 04:20 PM
VW Rabbit or golf as they were called in europe

orconn
07-01-09, 04:25 PM
It's a Renault R5 Turbo, the remaining question is which of many "homologation" versions (there were many) is this car. To know for sure we will have to find the exact photo shown with identifying captioning. So far I've had no luck!

hardrockcamaro@mac.c
07-01-09, 04:52 PM
It's not a Renault.

<grin>

Rodya234
07-01-09, 05:20 PM
Is it a Metro 6R4?

Please say yes, :bonkers:

orconn
07-01-09, 05:55 PM
I think Rodya234 got it ....... a" MG Metro 6R$ Group B Rallye car." I never would have quessed it, I guess it had many iterations including one as a Rover. Did Rover buy the old stamping presses from Renault?

hardrockcamaro@mac.c
07-01-09, 06:00 PM
Is it a Metro 6R4?

Please say yes, :bonkers:

We have a winner !!!!

:highfive:


Initially it was a 3L Naturally Aspirated 6 cylinder with 12:1 compression producing 410BHP at over 9,000rpm. 0-60 came up in around 3 seconds, 0-100 in around 8 seconds.

They then dropped the engine down to 2.3L and twin turbo'd it, producing 650BHP and running 0-60 in around 2.5 seconds. The car had to weigh no less than 1100kg (around 2400lbs) for the rules. That amounts to 590BHP per ton.


As we all know Group B rallying was cancelled after several high profile fatal accidents which were inevitable when you send lightweight 650BHP+ cars down twisty dirt track roads at speeds of up to 140mph:



1986

The stage was set for 1986 to be a very exciting season. Defending champion Timo Salonen had the new Evolution 2 version of Peugeot's T16 with ex Toyota driver, Juha Kankkunen. Audi's new Sport Quattro S1 boasted over 600 hp (450 kW) and a huge snowplow-like front end. Lancia's Delta S4 would be in the hands of the Finnish prodigy Henri Toivonen and Markku Alen, and Ford was ready with its high tech RS200 with Stig Blomqvist and Kalle Grundel.
Everything was to go tragically wrong, however, on the "Lagoa Azul" stage of Portuguese Rally near Sintra. Portuguese national champion Joaquim Santos crested a rise to find the road blocked with spectators crowding to see the fastest cars come through. He lost control of his RS200 while trying to stop and plunged into the crowd. Thirty-one people were injured and three were killed. All the top teams immediately pulled out of the rally and Group B was placed in jeopardy.

Disaster struck again in early May at the Tour de Corse. Lancia's Toivonen was leading the championship, and once the rally got underway he was the pace setter. Seven kilometres into the 18th stage, Toivonen's S4 flew off the unguarded edge of a left hand hairpin bend and crashed into a ravine. The car landed inverted with the fuel tanks ruptured by the impact. The combination of red hot turbocharger, Kevlar bodywork, and ruptured fuel tank ignited the car and set fire to the dry undergrowth. Only a cloud of smoke and the lack of Toivonen's car at the finish indicated that something was very wrong. By the time rescue workers made it to the remote spot (some 30 minutes, by some accounts) all that remained of the car was a blackened frame with the bones of Toivonen and co-driver Sergio Cresto inside. With no witnesses to the accident it was impossible to determine what caused the crash other than Toivonen had left the road at high speed. Some cite Toivonen's ill health at the time (he reportedly was suffering from flu); other suggest mechanical failure, or simply the difficulty of driving the machine although Toivonen had a career full of crashing out while leading rallies. Up until that stage he was taking stage win after stage win and leading the rally by a large margin with no other driver challenging him. Simply using a racing fuel cell in place of the fuel tank may have saved them.
The crash came a year after Lancia driver Attilio Bettega had crashed and died in his 037. While that fatality was largely blamed on the unforgiving Corsican scenery (and bad luck, as his co-driver, Maurizio Perissinot was uninjured), Toivonen and Cresto's death, combined with the Portugal tragedy and televised accident of F1 driver Marc Surer in another RS200 which killed his co-driver, compelled the FIA to act: Group B cars were immediately banned for 1987.

hardrockcamaro@mac.c
07-01-09, 06:04 PM
I think Rodya234 got it ....... a" MG Metro 6R$ Group B Rallye car." I never would have quessed it, I guess it had many iterations including one as a Rover. Did Rover buy the old stamping presses from Renault?

Actually the cars look quite different if you look at them side by side.
The two are not even slightly related. Completely different.
:thepan:

Metro 6R4:
http://www.mgownersclub.co.uk/images/1984-mg-metro-6r4.jpg


Renault R5T:
http://blog-imgs-27.fc2.com/a/v/a/avantime/s-r5tm.jpg

Rodya234
07-01-09, 06:30 PM
This one should be of moderate difficulty:
http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/3479/024d.jpg (http://img254.imageshack.us/i/024d.jpg/)


Good Luck! :thumbsup:

orconn
07-01-09, 07:49 PM
It is a Panther De Ville from the 1970's, made by Panther Westways a British specialty car maker.

dirt_cheap_fleetwood
07-01-09, 08:21 PM
It looks like an Excalibur, but I don't think they ever made four door cars.

Rodya234
07-01-09, 08:27 PM
It is a Panther De Ville from the 1970's, made by Panther Westways a British specialty car maker.

Bingo! :thumbsup:

Really bad car that was, the interior noise at 70mph was enough to damage human hearing! :bigroll:

orconn
07-01-09, 11:10 PM
This one is not too obscure, but still not well know to Americans:[

Disregard this post I'll try to get the car picture up tomorrow.

orconn
07-02-09, 03:56 PM
This one may take you some time. Name the maker and decade of manufacture. Here's a hint: It's a convertible, not a cabriolet or drophead coupe!

orconn
07-03-09, 07:17 PM
^^^^ Hint #2 - It was built on the West Coast of the United States and had a fiberglass body.

billc83
07-03-09, 07:55 PM
My best guess is it's an old (50s era?) Nash-Healey, but I don't think the grille is right.

orconn
07-03-09, 09:27 PM
My best guess is it's an old (50s era?) Nash-Healey, but I don't think the grille is right.

You got the decade right, but the Nash-Healey was a tri-national effort involving America (Nash), British (Healey) and Italian (Pinin Farina). The car in question was strictly an American effort. But a good quess! By the way both cars were used in competition.

70eldo
07-03-09, 09:30 PM
The nose looks like an old Volvo...

orconn
07-03-09, 11:14 PM
The nose looks like an old Volvo...

Yes there was a Volvo that had a nose that looked somewhat similar. It was the Volvosport P1900 which began production in 1954 and was sold to the public between 1955 and 1956. All together 44 cars were produced. Interestingly both cars shared fiberglass bodies. But the mystery car is not a Volvo of any type. (the p1900 is not to be confused with the P1800 models which came out in the 1960's.)

hardrockcamaro@mac.c
07-04-09, 06:51 AM
It looks like the sort of car you'd see in those old Mexican rallies...

hardrockcamaro@mac.c
07-04-09, 06:59 AM
Is it an Allied?

orconn
07-04-09, 10:44 AM
Is it an Allied? I have never heard of a car named a "Allied," did you mean Allard? While the mystery car is was contemporary of the Allard (a British car) and both were used in early US road racing. The car is not an Allard.

hardrockcamaro@mac.c
07-04-09, 06:39 PM
No I actually meant an Allied.

Very rare fiberglass bodies cars from the early 50s:

http://www.tamsoldracecarsite.net/MysteryCars2Fiberglass.html

orconn
07-04-09, 08:02 PM
^^^ Now the Allied is a car I had never heard of before. First glance I thought, as I'm sure everyone did, that it was a Cistalia, but the article cleared that up. I'm not clear that Allied qualified as a car manufacturer but rather was a fiberglass body maker, of which there were many in the U.S. in the fifties and sixties; Devlin being the most prolific. But thank you for introducing me to this rare Cistalia knockoff body.

The mystery car here was manufactured by an actual auto manufacturer and the cars were supplied as luxury GT's or in a more stripped down version as racing cars ...... very similar to the British Allards during the 1950's. The mystery car's components were all of American origin and it was one of the first cars to use aircraft disc brakes on a production (1952). Needless to say the car was quite expensive in its' day and production figures were very low.

AMGoff
07-05-09, 01:54 AM
I'd hardly say that it was made by an actual auto manufacturer... More like the pipe dream of a washed up racing driver that used a mishmash of parts from all of the "Big Four" American manufacturers - GM, Ford, Chrysler, and Studebaker and only a handful were ever built.

It's an "Edwards America" and it was light (about 2500lbs), fast, and relatively expensive (around $55-65,000 in today's dollars). That particular model is either a 1953/54 and had either a 205HP Lincoln 317 Y-Block or a Cadillac 331 V8 with 230HP and a hefty 330lb-ft of torque.... Both were mated to a GM Hydramatic.

It was a good idea plagued by bad timing...

orconn
07-05-09, 12:16 PM
We have a winner! And the winner is .........AMGoff!

Eric Kahn
07-05-09, 07:54 PM
not my turn but here is one
http://home.fuse.net/kubla/car2.JPG
car and my messy garage
and it's for sale

orconn
07-05-09, 08:11 PM
Is it a Reynard formula car? Appears to have once had a Buick engine.

AMGoff
07-05-09, 11:19 PM
not my turn but here is one

car and my messy garage
and it's for sale

HEY! :tisk: I know exactly what it is - officially irrelevant.

Wait your damn turn and peddle your merchandise elsewhere... I'm trying to come up with something good here.

Eric Kahn
07-06-09, 12:20 AM
I don't expect anyone to buy it, not a reynard formula car, american series

if you come up with something good, I will not be able to guess it :D

orconn
07-09-09, 12:10 AM
It has been four days since AMGoff identified the Edwards-American thus winning the round. Haven't had a new mystery car as yet from him. Maybe we just through it open to the next person with a car to put up for us to identify?

AMGoff
07-09-09, 12:41 AM
Blah blah blah... Because we all (or at least some of the more pedantic amongst us) have nothing better to do than worry about how often this silly little game gets updated and posted to. As I said, I was trying to think of something good, so much along the same lines of the last entry, here ya go - Name the year (as close as possible), manufacturer, and model:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2532/3703532128_193377f6bc.jpg?v=0

Aron9000
07-09-09, 12:44 AM
It has been four days since AMGoff identified the Edwards-American thus winning the round. Haven't had a new mystery car as yet from him. Maybe we just through it open to the next person with a car to put up for us to identify?

I'll post one then . . . . .

AMGoff
07-09-09, 01:13 AM
I'll post one then . . . . .


Sorry... beat you to it.

Aron9000
07-09-09, 01:19 AM
Sorry... beat you to it.

by about 30 seconds:thepan: I'll take mine down.

Eric Kahn
07-09-09, 01:24 AM
Mine was a 1986 march buick wildcat used in the indy lights series during the mid to late 80's
don't even know if march is still making race cars

I would guess the orange one is an AMC javelin race car, not sure what the 2 seat sports car is

orconn
07-09-09, 02:01 AM
Blah blah blah... Because we all (or at least some of the more pedantic amongst us) have nothing better to do than worry about how often this silly little game gets updated and posted to. As I said, I was trying to think of something good, so much along the same lines of the last entry, here ya go - Name the year (as close as possible), manufacturer, and model:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2532/3703532128_193377f6bc.jpg?v=0

It is a Kurtis 500M roadster which was built between 1954 and 1956 by the Kurtis Sports Car Co. of Los Angeles. The cars designer Frank Kurtis had also designed winning Indy cars in the early to mid 1950's and the Kurtis car that became the Muntz Jet of the early fifties.

AMGoff
07-09-09, 02:14 AM
It is a Kurtis 500M roadster which was built between 1954 and 1956 by the Kurtis Sports Car Co. of Los Angeles. The cars designer Frank Kurtis had also designed winning Indy cars in the early to mid 1950's and the Kurtis car that became the Muntz Jet of the early fifties.

There's a surprise. Well there you go orconn... :thumbsup: Now you can finally fulfill your week's dream of going on to the next round. ;)

orconn
07-09-09, 04:10 PM
This car was the beginning of over 45 years of production.

Aron9000
07-10-09, 01:36 AM
This car was the beginning of over 45 years of production.

Steudabaker Avanti? I'm just guessing because you said 45 years of production.

orconn
07-10-09, 06:23 AM
No the car is not the Studebaker Avanti. Good guess though given the hint.

AMGoff
07-10-09, 01:23 PM
This car was the beginning of over 45 years of production.

Well... Unlike some others, I tried to give ample time for someone else to answer and resist any virgin-esque, bookish, giddy schoolgirl-like urges to be the first one with my hand up and immediately answer.

But since no one else knows it or is simply not paying attention anymore, I might as well call it...

Even though it's not the best picture in the world, it's definitely an original Lamborghini GT - either a 350 or 400... Despite the fact that I can't see to many details in the picture, I'm going to assume by the original phrasing that it's a 350.

So to not cause anyone to go through some sort of withdrawal or anything - I'll try not to take as long to post something else... Although perhaps this time we can let some of the other kids play too... :rolleyes:

orconn
07-10-09, 02:15 PM
We all are appreciate your great restraint in this matter, Mr. Goff! You are correct it is a 1964 Lamborghini 350GT. This particular car was originally painted metallic gold and was the car shown by Automobile Lamborghini ath the 1964 Geneva Auto Show as their first production car. The early very fine Grand Turismo cars were to be eclipse by the far more exotic Miura and subsequent supercar models. There were approximately 126 350GTs produced 1964 and 1968 when production of the Islero superceded the 350 and 400 GT models.

orconn
07-18-09, 01:37 PM
If any one else is interested in continuing this game they should go ahead and post a mystery car. Enough time has elapsed waiting for AMGoff to come up with a car for us to proceed without his contribution.

ga_etc
07-18-09, 03:39 PM
Thought this would be interesting to keep this going. Make, model, and year would be nice.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4a/Lancia_Flamina_GT%2C_1963.JPG

AMGoff
07-18-09, 07:52 PM
^^ It's a Lancia Flaminia... Either a '62 or a '63 GT coupe. It's used a 2.8L V6 which was good for about 150 horses or so and was actually a bored version of the very first V6 engine ever put into a production car.

AMGoff
07-18-09, 07:59 PM
If any one else is interested in continuing this game they should go ahead and post a mystery car. Enough time has elapsed waiting for AMGoff to come up with a car for us to proceed without his contribution.

Wow... You really have absolutely nothing better to do, do you? I had completely forgotten about it once it got bumped off the first page - so my sincerest apologies for prolonging your "raison d'etre," although it does seem as if everyone else had forgotten about it as well.

Since it seems the ball is back in my court, I'll try to get something new up there this weekend... Mmmmkay? I wouldn't want anyone having any sort of anxiety attack because of this... :helpless:

Aron9000
07-19-09, 12:59 AM
Wow... You really have absolutely nothing better to do, do you? I had completely forgotten about it once it got bumped off the first page - so my sincerest apologies for prolonging your "raison d'etre," although it does seem as if everyone else had forgotten about it as well.

Since it seems the ball is back in my court, I'll try to get something new up there this weekend... Mmmmkay? I wouldn't want anyone having any sort of anxiety attack because of this... :helpless:

^ How about you quit being a dick by not posting anything when you name the right car. We had this thread up to 50+ pages in another forum I go to. If you are going to play the game, play by the rules or don't play at all.

ga_etc
07-19-09, 12:59 AM
By the way you were correct. '63 Lancia Flaminia GT. I'm afraid to ask how you know all of this stuff.

AMGoff
07-19-09, 01:48 AM
^ How about you quit being a dick by not posting anything when you name the right car. We had this thread up to 50+ pages in another forum I go to. If you are going to play the game, play by the rules or don't play at all.

Oh please... Don't get all indignant, you just want your thread to continue - else you would have simply bumped and continued one of the several threads that have already tried doing this. It's been done here before, at least three different times.. Besides.. What are you, eight... "Play by the rules." What rules - your rules? As I already said... I had simply forgot about it after it was knocked off of the first page, as almost everyone else evidently had as well. Either way, it wasn't intentional... and beyond that, who cares about your other forum - again, it's been done more than once already... So get a grip.

Frankly, to save web/server-space they should all be merged/combined anyway, rather than have 4-5 different threads in the lounge about the same thing.



By the way you were correct. '63 Lancia Flaminia GT. I'm afraid to ask how you know all of this stuff.

Nothing scary about it... I just know cars. BTW - You came up with a good one.

As I said, I'll try to get one up this weekend so to not seem like I'm purposely being a "dick" and subsequently satisfy two peopl.... err... everyone.

AMGoff
07-19-09, 02:25 AM
Here... List year, make, and model. Go wild:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2510/3734533836_fa5679cf83_o.png

Sevillian273
07-19-09, 04:16 AM
How bout a little amendment to the rules to keep things fresh? How bout "no new car within 24hrs of the last correct answer and the next turn is open to anyone" This forum is very active and things get buried quite quickly....

Oh, and before I get attacked let me go ahead and state that no, I dont have anything better to do than sit here and wait for the next car AND that my entire existence on this planet hinges on this very thread.

70eldo
07-19-09, 04:26 PM
Here... List year, make, and model. Go wild:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2510/3734533836_fa5679cf83_o.png

You find really odd cars!
Anyway, so far I found something similar:
http://www.gizmag.com/pictures/lrg_img/spira-three-wheel-two-seater-100mpg-8.jpg

70eldo
07-19-09, 04:32 PM
Got it!
It's a 1947 Davis.

The Davis was first introduced in 1947 by Glenn Gordon "Gary" Davis in the United States of
http://www.3wheelers.com/clearpixel.gifhttp://www.3wheelers.com/a_davilogo.gifhttp://www.3wheelers.com/clearpixel.gifAmerica. Just after World War II, Davis bought a small racing car that had been converted into a 3-wheeler and named the "Californian". Believing it would make a good economy vehicle Davis built his first prototype which he nicknamed "Baby" (or Davis D-1). The second Davis prototype D-2, (or Davis "Delta") was also built in 1947. From 1948 the Davis Motor Company then produced 11 Divan models that all featured a removable top.
The Davis is possibly the largest production 3-wheeler ever made being 14 feet in length and wide enough to sit four adults abreast. It was powered by a 2,600cc four-cylinder Continental engine (whilst the first two prototypes used a Hercules engine) and had an aluminum body that was attached directly to a steel chassis with normal cushion body mounts. Davis also produced a military 3-wheeler that used the same chassis and was in effect a 3-wheeled jeep. It is not know for certain but it is believed that only two of these were made. In total only 17 Davis vehicles were made of which a number still exist in the United States.
http://www.3wheelers.com/clearpixel.gifhttp://www.3wheelers.com/clearpixel.gifThe 5th Davis that was made was later shipped to the Reliant Motor Company in Tamworth (UK) for "engineering evaluation" and upon its return , never actually left the UK. The Customs Officers demanded that the customs bond be paid for the car to be sent back to America. At the time the company who owned the rights to manufacture the car were not willing/able to pay for return shipment and as Reliant did not want to pay the customs bond, Reliant was required to "destroy the car under the eyes of the customs agents." Davis ceased production in 1949.

70eldo
07-19-09, 05:01 PM
Here's another three-wheeler. Shouldn't be too difficult:

http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb93/Bues_Almighty/gp.jpg

AMGoff
07-19-09, 06:57 PM
Got it!
It's a 1947 Davis.

Close enough... It's a '48.


You find really odd cars!

...

Here's another three-wheeler. Shouldn't be too difficult:

http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb93/Bues_Almighty/gp.jpg

And you say I find really odd cars... Look at what you came up with - not too difficult... Good grief! Although I did forget that you were in Germany, so that helped make a little more sense.

Anyway... It's an early 30's Goliath Pionier, '32-'34 thereabouts. They used a huge .2L two-stroke engine which was good for around a whopping 5.5HP... Watch out!

AMGoff
07-19-09, 08:22 PM
Okay... This should be a good one. Note - There might be more than meets the eye... So answer carefully as appearances might be deceiving. As always, at least include Year, Make, and Model:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2438/3737260318_a6317b0704_o.png
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2428/3737260808_59c68a8787_o.png

V-Eight
07-20-09, 09:50 AM
Close enough... It's a '48.



And you say I find really odd cars... Look at what you came up with - not too difficult... Good grief! Although I did forget that you were in Germany, so that helped make a little more sense.

Anyway... It's an early 30's Goliath Pionier, '32-'34 thereabouts. They used a huge .2L two-stroke engine which was good for around a whopping 5.5HP... Watch out!

Wow, my push lawnmower makes like 3.2 and my riding mower like 20ish lol

70eldo
07-20-09, 03:20 PM
Close enough... It's a '48.
I couldn't see a difference... but hurray!


And you say I find really odd cars... Look at what you came up with - not too difficult... Good grief! Although I did forget that you were in Germany, so that helped make a little more sense.

Anyway... It's an early 30's Goliath Pionier, '32-'34 thereabouts. They used a huge .2L two-stroke engine which was good for around a whopping 5.5HP... Watch out!

Correct. And I just knew you would find it. Unfortunately for the game the name was partly readable on the nose of that... freak 'car'.

orconn
07-21-09, 05:41 PM
I'll venture an educated guess; this car is particularly hard to identify because it is missing parts that would make it easier to identify (hood ornament, etc.). But given what I can identify I would say it is a 1928 or 29 Pierce Arrow Series 80 or 81 5 passenger Sedan which has the optional New York headlights in place of the more common fender mounted headlights typical of Pierce Arrows. Judginging from the style and quality of the wire wheels and rear luggage rack and bumpers the car is of a high quality make. But we can barely make out the hubcaps, which may not be original, and the emblem on the radiator shell is not distinguishable so that leaves the radiator shell, which is or very close to a Pierce-Arrow's and the shape of the rear window to try to specify make and year.

AMGoff
07-21-09, 06:40 PM
Negatory...

Aron9000
07-21-09, 07:06 PM
I'm going to guess its a Duesenberg model A, although I'm really terrible with pre WWII cars.

AMGoff
07-21-09, 07:19 PM
Good guess, but no... It was based on a regular production model (neither a PA or Duesy) and retained the same exterior. Any modifications that may have been done to them would have been ahead of their time and are rather pertinent to today's automotive market.

billc83
07-21-09, 11:41 PM
Why didn't I get in on the Davis? I knew that one...

This is a really tough one. Too bad I can't zoom in the picture close enough to see what's written on the wheels.

Aron9000
07-22-09, 12:05 AM
Good guess, but no... It was based on a regular production model (neither a PA or Duesy) and retained the same exterior. Any modifications that may have been done to them would have been ahead of their time and are rather pertinent to today's automotive market.

I'm going to guess there were some aerodynamic enhancements to that John Deere painted special(lack of hood ornament for example) Therefore I'm guessing its a Cord, he made some really streamlined looking stuff.

AMGoff
07-22-09, 12:37 AM
I'm going to guess there were some aerodynamic enhancements to that John Deere painted special(lack of hood ornament for example) Therefore I'm guessing its a Cord, he made some really streamlined looking stuff.

Nope... As I said, it retained the same exterior with very few - if any changes other than removal of an emblem or ornament. Figure out who provided the "shell," so to speak... and that should help lead you to who made this car.

Focus on the hint I already gave... Any modifications made could be considered ahead of their time, as they are pertinent to today's auto market.

70eldo
07-22-09, 03:59 AM
How about an Audi Type R 19/ 100 hp "Imperator" pullman limousine, 4.9 l eight-cylinder engine, 1927; the first Audi model with an eight-cylinder engine?

70eldo
07-22-09, 02:28 PM
Yeah, I am pretty sure it's an Audi Type R from 1927-1929 with a Pullmann limousine body. You can barely make out the "1" on the hub caps.
http://www.autoevolution.com/cars/audi-typ-r-imperator-1927.html

It was just a coincidence, that I saw a picture of an Audi Type M in a magazine (not even an automotive magazine) I read and though that looked kinda like the car in the picture in this thread. So I checked internet for the Audi types and found the Type R as a match.

70eldo
07-22-09, 02:30 PM
Nope... As I said, it retained the same exterior with very few - if any changes other than removal of an emblem or ornament. Figure out who provided the "shell," so to speak... and that should help lead you to who made this car.

Focus on the hint I already gave... Any modifications made could be considered ahead of their time, as they are pertinent to today's auto market.

I still don't get the hint though...

AMGoff
07-22-09, 07:02 PM
An Audi...? I'd be one of the last people to list a foreign car. It's American made, as is the model it's based off of.

As far as the hint is concerned regarding any modifications made to the model it was based on... Think of modern-day automotive technologies in use today which could have been considered ahead of its time when this was produced.

billc83
07-23-09, 12:31 AM
I originally thought it was a Packard because of the hexagons on the wheels. But they'd be red.

It's a pre-war American made car, with some features that were way ahead of their time.

It's not a Pierce-Arrow; headlights would give that away. It's not a Duesy. It's not a Cord, which I though was a great guess considering the Cord L-29 was one of the first FWD cars - a feature seen in most of today's cars.

My best guess is it's a Marmon Sixteen, early 30s vintage. Their body panels were aluminium, a weight-saving technique. IIRC aluminium was also used in the engine, which is pretty standard nowadays.

70eldo
07-23-09, 02:45 AM
An Audi...? I'd be one of the last people to list a foreign car. It's American made, as is the model it's based off of.

As far as the hint is concerned regarding any modifications made to the model it was based on... Think of modern-day automotive technologies in use today which could have been considered ahead of its time when this was produced.

Go check pictures of the Audi Type R Pullmann Limousine. The resemblance is astonishing! Sidekicks, bumpers, body, grille, slots in the side hood... If your picture is not from an Audi, than either the Audi was a copy (which I doubt, as it was derived from the Type M), or that car was a copy of the Audi.

orconn
07-23-09, 10:22 AM
Go check pictures of the Audi Type R Pullmann Limousine. The resemblance is astonishing! Sidekicks, bumpers, body, grille, slots in the side hood... If your picture is not from an Audi, than either the Audi was a copy (which I doubt, as it was derived from the Type M), or that car was a copy of the Audi.

Unfortunately for us, 70eldo, American cars of that era had very similar coachwork. While this car may resemble an Audi, it in fact also resembles many American sedans of the late 1920's. In this case the car is apparently a modification of a higher volume production car from which the identifying emblems have beeen removed. The body is possibly of GM Fisher Body origin, to my eye it looks like a '29 Buick. It is very difficult to identify these American cars without the cars unique badges.

orconn
07-23-09, 10:32 AM
I originally thought it was a Packard because of the hexagons on the wheels. But they'd be red.

It's a pre-war American made car, with some features that were way ahead of their time.

It's not a Pierce-Arrow; headlights would give that away. It's not a Duesy. It's not a Cord, which I though was a great guess considering the Cord L-29 was one of the first FWD cars - a feature seen in most of today's cars.

My best guess is it's a Marmon Sixteen, early 30s vintage. Their body panels were aluminium, a weight-saving technique. IIRC aluminium was also used in the engine, which is pretty standard nowadays.

As a point of interest, apparently not all Pierce Arrows had the headlights fared into the front fenders. P A also offered an option called the "New York City headlight" that used conventional, for the time, headlight shells and placement between the two front fenders. This car's radiator shell best resembles a '29 Pierce Arrows radiator shell. The hub caps do resemble a Packards, but as you pointed out the hexagone in the center is the wrong color. I don't see any modifications that standout as far as being ahead of their time. But we may be missing something obvious.

billc83
07-23-09, 05:55 PM
Yeah, I didn't read your previous post close enough and then was too lazy to edit.

AMGoff
07-23-09, 07:23 PM
The company which produced and branded the final product made modifications regarding the drivetrain... Again, something which could be considered ahead of its time and is pertinent to today's automotive market. However, production was needless to say... limited, due to overall economic conditions of the time - as well as because the manufacturer which provided the base body, chassis, and engine ultimately found itself belly-up thanks to the market crash of '29...

Aron9000
07-24-09, 12:20 AM
I'm pretty sure you're talking about fuel effieceny, but I have no idea what the car is.

orconn
07-24-09, 12:36 AM
How about an Audi Type R 19/ 100 hp "Imperator" pullman limousine, 4.9 l eight-cylinder engine, 1927; the first Audi model with an eight-cylinder engine?

Interestingly, in 1928 Audi purchased and transported to Germany the manufacturing equipment from the then defunct Rickenbacker automobile company. Both the engines and bodies of the Rickenbacker were then used by Audi for their Zwickau and Dresden models of the late 1920's and early 1930's. This may well account for the similarities you found between the Audi and the mystery car.

70eldo
07-24-09, 01:32 PM
Interestingly, in 1928 Audi purchased and transported to Germany the manufacturing equipment from the then defunct Rickenbacker automobile company. Both the engines and bodies of the Rickenbacker were then used by Audi for their Zwickau and Dresden models of the late 1920's and early 1930's. This may well account for the similarities you found between the Audi and the mystery car.

Wow, very interesting! It's like digging archeology and rediscovering ancient facts. Hurray for internet! I am still proud I found this then!

So, it's not a Rickenbacker?

orconn
07-25-09, 11:50 PM
I think this maybe one of those cars that can only be identified by luckily finding a copy of the pictured displayed and reading the caption under the picture. Having said that, someone will undoubtedly identify the car on the next post!

It could be an LPG (liquid propane gas) conversion. Many companies apparently did these conversions in the 1920's and 1930's, but so far I have not been able to turn up any specific companies that performed these conversions or any pictures of cars of that period that were series produced as LPG cars.

At any rate it will be interesting to find out what make, year and model and the car's special attribute.

orconn
07-29-09, 11:27 AM
I quess everyone is stumped with the current mystery car. So if we want to continue the game in this thread someone should post a new "mystery" car for identification.

AMGoff please identify your mystery car so we will all know what we have been missing. Thanks

Aron9000
07-30-09, 01:18 AM
I quess everyone is stumped with the current mystery car. So if we want to continue the game in this thread someone should post a new "mystery" car for identification.

AMGoff please identify your mystery car so we will all know what we have been missing. Thanks

The old grump got us pretty good with that John Deere painted special.

orconn
08-03-09, 02:53 AM
I hope "the old grump" will favor us with an identification of his mystery car. As its early August he's probably on vacation, so I hope we hear from him upon his return. Meanwhile, I hope someone else will post a mystery car for us to work on.

Aron9000
08-03-09, 03:35 AM
I've got a pretty darn good one . . . .

http://i25.tinypic.com/4hb2au.jpg

cvettr/cts-v
08-03-09, 04:09 PM
amc javelin

Aron9000
08-03-09, 05:01 PM
amc javelin

Think even quirkier

AMGoff
08-03-09, 09:29 PM
It is beyond amusing (and hypocritical) that I'm being referred to as "the old grump," I mean... That's rich - real gold right there.

Anyway, what else can be said but... WOW - it's more than evident that certain people (who shall be referred to as "the old bump-er") are in serious need of a hobby, because this simply isn't healthy... Furthermore... It's too ironic that at one point I was chastised and basically told in so many words, that if I didn't want to "play by the rules" then I shouldn't "play" at all... Yet now all of the sudden, interestingly enough the "rules" have been changed/ignored to fit some personal fetish.

Thankfully however, I really couldn't care less... If nothing else, I simply hope to never see anyone else chastised for not "playing by the rules" - since there obviously aren't any.

Either way... I don't think I've ever seen such overt OCD so efficiently transferred to a webpage before... Sweet Jesus :eek:

70eldo
08-04-09, 02:33 AM
Damn, I thought I was close with a Buick, because the logo on the wheel center has this diagonal blue (?) band. Anyway, they did not go belly-up in 1929, so I will look further

70eldo
08-04-09, 04:38 AM
This is what I could find on drivetrain novices and I couldn't find a 1926-1929 specific car brand that went belly up in or by the 1929 recession:

Getting power from the engine to the wheels of an automobile has provided a seemingly endless challenge for rear-wheel-drive, front-wheel-drive, 4-wheel-drive, front-engine, rear-engine, and mid-engine cars, longitudinal, transverse, vertical, slant, and flat engines, plus an amazing array of hardware in between. George Selden's notorious 1877 patent was for a front-drive carriage with a transverse 3-cylinder engine, anticipating the Chevy/Suzuki Sprint by over a century. When it comes to car designs, there are very few new ideas, just progressively successful adaptations of old concepts.

The heart of the drivetrain is the transmission. Because gasoline engines develop their torque over a very narrow speed range, several gears are needed to reach useful road speeds. (Steam engines and electric motors can be used in cars with no transmissions.)

The modern transmission was introduced by a pair of Frenchmen -- Louis-Rene Panhard and Emile Levassor -- in 1894. The engineers had invited the press to a demonstration of "the most revolutionary advancement to date in the brief history of the motor car industry." Unfortunately, the engine in their demo vehicle died, and they were reduced to giving a chalk talk on multi-geared transmission theory to a bored press corps.

One 19th-century newsman reported their invention as "more hocus-pocus from charlatans trying to cash in on the public's fascination with the new motor car." Maybe the inventors should have skipped the tech talk and just used the description later attributed to Panhard: "It's brutal, but it works!"

Cars of the time transmitted engine power to the wheels in a simple fashion that was easy for non-engineers to visualize. The engine drove a set of bevel reduction gears that drove a shaft and pulley. Leather belts extended between the pulley and geared wheels on an axle. One wheel, the small one, got the car going by meshing with a ring gear on one of the driving wheels. The big wheel then took over to get the car to hustle along at a top speed of 20 mph. If the car encountered a hill that it did not have the power to climb, the driver would come to a dead stop so he could engage the small wheel.

Thus did British auto pioneer F. W. Lanchester describe the transmissions in his cars: "One belt-driven HIGH gear that will go over everything and one bel-driven LOW gear in case the car had to climb a tree."

It was not until a year after their disastrous news conference that Panhard and Levassor regained their reputations. At this time, they had their first car ready for the press to drive. With it, they changed a lot of minds.

That 1895 Panhard-Levassor was revolutionary -- not the transmission alone, but the whole drivetrain layout. In fact, it has served as the prototype for most vehicles built in the 90 years since then. Unlike other cars of that day, it possessed a vertically mounted engine in the front of the vehicle that drove the rear wheels through a clutch, 3-speed sliding gear transmission and chain-driven axle. The only modern features missing from the setup were a differential rear axle and driveshaft. These came along three years later, in 1898, when millionaire-turned-auto-hobbyist Louis Renault connected a vertical engine with transmission to a "live" rear axle by means of a metal shaft.

The live rear axle -- which Renault adapted from an idea developed in 1893 by an American, C. E. Duryea -- was called the differential rear axle. It used a number of gears to overcome the problem of rapid tire wear, which resulted on turns with the "dead" axles used by all other carmakers. "Differential" referred to the ability of the unit to turn the outer driving wheel faster than the inner driving wheel, eliminating tire scuffing in turns.

By 1904, the Panhard-Levassor sliding gear manual transmission had been adopted by most carmakers. In one form or another, it has remained in use until recent times. Obviously, there have been improvements, the most significant being the invention of a synchronizing system that permits drive and driven gears to be brought into mesh with each other smoothly without gear clashing. This system allows both sets of gears to reach the same speed before they are engaged. The first of these synchromesh transmissions was introduced by Cadillac in 1928. An improvement to the design patented by Porsche is widely used today.

Between the time the sliding gear-transmission was introduced and the perfection of the synchromesh, there were other attempts at making it easier for the driver to shift gears. One was the planetary transmission in the 1908 Model T Ford. It had a central gear, called the "sun" gear, surrounded by three "planet" gears. Today, planetary gears are more widely used in automatic transmissions than in manual.

Some pretty elaborate planetary manual transmissions did evolve, however. One was developed by Walter Wilson and was called the Wilson Preselector. It came along in 1930.

This gear system, which used four individual planetary gearsets, allowed the driver to preselect one gear ratio by moving a small lever on the steering column. the driver could then "order up" the particular preselected gear by depressing a foot pedal. This caused a camshaft to disengage one gear and simultaneously allow the preselected gearset to engage.

All transmission designs since the Panhard-Levassor unit have had one goal in common -- to make shifting easier. Obviously, the easiest to shift transmission is the automatic. It's strictly an American innovation.

The first automatic was invented in 1904 by the Sturtevant brothers of Boston. It provided two forward speeds that were engaged and disengaged by the action of centrifugal weights without need for a foot-operated clutch. As engine speed increased, the weights swung out to engage bands -- first the low-gear band and then the high-gear band. The unit failed because the weights often flew apart.

The next significant attempt at an automatic transmission was by Reo in 1934. Called the Reo Self-Shifter, it was actually two transmissions connected in series. For ordinary driving, one unit upshifted itself automatically in relation to car speed through the engagement of a centrifugal multiple-disc clutch -- much the same idea used by the Sturtevants. The second transmission was shifted manually and was used only when a lower gear was needed.

In 1937, Buick and Oldsmobile came out with a transmission called the Automatic Safety Transmission. it had a conventionally clutch for shifting the transmission into forward or reverse. Once in forward, the transmission shifted automatically by using two hydraulically operated planetary units -- one for LOW gear and one for DRIVE. The unit was the forerunner of the GM Hydra-Matic, which was born in 1938.

The Hydra-Matic consisted of three planetary gearsets that were operated hydraulically. A fluid coupling was used to connect the engine and transmission. Credit for perfecting the fluid coupling goes to Chrysler, which developed the concept in 1937. However, Chrysler did not make use of it until 1941, when the Chrysler Fluid Drive transmission was introduced. This was not an automatic unit, but a standard transmission with a fluid coupling, not a clutch.

By 1948, the automatic transmission had evolved into the hydraulic torque converter that we know today coupled to a planetary geartrain. The first to use the converter was Buick. The '48 Buick Dynaflow, as it was called, was the model for present-day automatic transmissions. Others soon followed with similar units -- Chevrolet Powerglide, Fordomatic and Merc-O-Matic in 1950; and the Chrysler M-6 Torque Converter Automatic in 1951.

These are some other interesting developments in the history of transmissions and drive units:

In the early days of transmissions, leather-lined, multiple-disc, oil-bathed clutches were in common use. Although the first use of a dry single-plate clutch was by Duryea in 1893, it was not until 1921 that a design was developed that would not burn out in a few hundred miles, thanks mainly to Englishman Herbert Frood, who perfected more durable friction materials.
Universal joints were first introduced on the 1902 Peerless. The 1908 Franklin was the first car to use roller-bearing U-joints. The 1930 Hupmobile pioneered needle-bearing U-joints, which is the point where we stand today.
Although differential locks were first used on a steam lorry in 1903 to provide wheel traction on slippery roads, it was not until 1956 that the first production limited-slip differential for a popular car was produced by Studebaker.
In 1906, Otto Zachow and William Besserdich of Clintonville, Wisconsin, built a car with the first successful 4-wheel-drive unit. A year later, they began a company called the Four Wheel Drive Auto Co.
In 1913, Packard made a milestone step in differential development with the introduction of a spiral-bevel ring and pinion set that cut the noise level produced in the rear axle. In 1926, with the introduction by Packard of the hypoid gear rear axle, noise ceased to be a problem altogether, unless the differential was going bad.
In 1934, automatic overdrive was introduced on the Chrysler and DeSoto Airflow.
The latest development in transmission seems to be the continuously variable automatic transmission, or CVT. The CVT is driven by a metal link belt. We've come full circle in 100 years, back to the belt-drive!

orconn
08-04-09, 02:40 PM
Aron9000's car looks like a modified 1966 Dodge Charger or perhaps a modified Plymouth Barracuda fastback 1967.

70eldo
08-05-09, 07:52 AM
On my quest for the answer I find a lot of interesting pictures and facts!

http://www.earlyamericanautomobiles.com/

70eldo
08-05-09, 09:36 AM
Rambler AMX?


I've got a pretty darn good one . . . .

http://i25.tinypic.com/4hb2au.jpg

70eldo
08-05-09, 10:18 AM
Rambler AMX?

No, 1972 Chrysler Valiant VH XL Charger?

Aron9000
08-05-09, 02:14 PM
No, 1972 Chrysler Valiant VH XL Charger?

Correct, its an Aussie machine.

Interesting tidbit, one of the high performance engine options on these was a straight 6 HEMI. Made over 250hp, I can't remember the exact specs right now.

70eldo
08-06-09, 07:14 AM
Okay... This should be a good one. Note - There might be more than meets the eye... So answer carefully as appearances might be deceiving. As always, at least include Year, Make, and Model:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2438/3737260318_a6317b0704_o.png
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2428/3737260808_59c68a8787_o.png

1929 Stearns-Knight Model J 8-90?
Or at least that's the base...

http://www.nevadarockhounds.com/AWA/Cars/StearnsK/SK29Ja.jpg

70eldo
08-06-09, 08:21 AM
1929 Stearns-Knight Model J 8-90?
Or at least that's the base...


Correction: 1928 Stearns-Knight Model N 6-80

AMGoff
08-06-09, 02:21 PM
1929 Stearns-Knight Model J 8-90?
Or at least that's the base...




Correction: 1928 Stearns-Knight Model N 6-80

Thanks for bringing it back around :thumbsup:

You're definitely on the right track... It was indeed based off a Stearns-Knight! Kudos for actually putting some time into it... Although it was based on a '29 model, not a '28... Either way... you're getting very, very close my friend. Keep up the good work!

I~LUV~Caddys8792
08-06-09, 05:19 PM
Ok, so howsabout this? It's not off an extremely rare car, but it's weird to see this badge on that car...

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/Stuff%20from%20work/IMG_0796.jpg

70eldo
08-07-09, 05:14 AM
I got it!

1930 Rauch & Lang Gasoline-Electric Hybrid Sedan.

http://www.jwrautomuseum.com/vehicles/1930rlge.html

http://www.jwrautomuseum.com/carimgsm/1930RL-S.jpg

http://www.jwrautomuseum.com/carimgsm/1930-RLDIA.jpg

Amazing story!!!

70eldo
08-07-09, 05:33 AM
Ok, so howsabout this? It's not off an extremely rare car, but it's weird to see this badge on that car...

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/Stuff%20from%20work/IMG_0796.jpg

1957 Lincoln Continental?

70eldo
08-07-09, 05:40 AM
I will place a next mistery car tonight.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
08-07-09, 06:49 AM
1957 Lincoln Continental?

Close but no cigar.

70eldo
08-07-09, 08:53 AM
Close but no cigar.


But you have to wait your turn anyway. Even if you are super moderator ;)

70eldo
08-07-09, 02:15 PM
Ok, here we go: year? Make? Model?
I don't think it's too difficult, but these are my own pictures and I found the setting quite amusing

http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb93/Bues_Almighty/DSC00306.jpg

http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb93/Bues_Almighty/DSC00304.jpg

orconn
08-07-09, 07:32 PM
^^^ It appears to be a post 1950 (the placement of the headliights on the fenders aftewr 1950 give it away) Morris Minor 1000 2 door coupe. I will leave the exact year to others as they were in production between 1950 (with the new headlight placement) and 1970 with over 1,5 million cars produced and the nuances of the various model years are beyond my knowledge. I am quite familiar with the old pots as several families I knew had them in Brazil when I was growing up there in the 1950's. I

orconn
08-07-09, 07:37 PM
Ok, here we go: year? Make? Model?
I don't think it's too difficult, but these are my own pictures and I found the setting quite amusing

http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb93/Bues_Almighty/DSC00306.jpg

http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb93/Bues_Almighty/DSC00304.jpg

I quess one could call this a "Garden Variety" Morris Minor 1000!

billc83
08-07-09, 07:41 PM
:rimshot:

AMGoff
08-08-09, 01:18 PM
I got it!

1930 Rauch & Lang Gasoline-Electric Hybrid Sedan.

http://www.jwrautomuseum.com/vehicles/1930rlge.html

http://www.jwrautomuseum.com/carimgsm/1930RL-S.jpg

http://www.jwrautomuseum.com/carimgsm/1930-RLDIA.jpg

Amazing story!!!

Bingo :thumbsup:

Kudos my friend, kudos... I knew that someone with enough patience, genuine interest in automobilia, and a desire to play by the, ahem.. originally prescribed "rules" would get it.

You're right though... It really is a fascinating story and a real piece of American automotive history which was sadly, a tad bit ahead of its time... One can only wonder what the automotive landscape might be like today, had cars such as this really taken off and been allowed to prosper, expand, and further develop.

Again... Bravo and kudos! The metaphorical "ball" is rightly in your court... ;)

70eldo
08-09-09, 08:27 AM
I quess one could call this a "Garden Variety" Morris Minor 1000!

Bingo!
I'll just give you the year, since the pictured car is not complete and the shape didn't change that much over the years.

http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb93/Bues_Almighty/DSC00305.jpg

70eldo
08-09-09, 08:56 AM
Bingo :thumbsup:

Kudos my friend, kudos... I knew that someone with enough patience, genuine interest in automobilia, and a desire to play by the, ahem.. originally prescribed "rules" would get it.

You're right though... It really is a fascinating story and a real piece of American automotive history which was sadly, a tad bit ahead of its time... One can only wonder what the automotive landscape might be like today, had cars such as this really taken off and been allowed to prosper, expand, and further develop.

Again... Bravo and kudos! The metaphorical "ball" is rightly in your court... ;)


It was a real challange to find it. Only one made makes it hard!
Anyway, I spent hours and hours of research, sometimes until deep in the night. Stearns-Knights were not that common, since he didn't have much of a PR nor distribution systems and dealers for his cars. But those were great cars with the very interesting sleeve-valve Knight engine.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_VDqeUPnkZ8c/SWXjvUNoYqI/AAAAAAAAAmo/yxmdb4llggM/s400/KNIGHT2.jpg
I stumbled upon a drawing poster and recognised the cooler grille. That's pretty much the only real significarnt difference between any car of that era.
http://www.arizonaccca.com/publications/SKStudebakerAtoZ.pdf

Here's a picture made that same day of your mistery car:
http://files.conceptcarz.com/img/Willys%20Knight/30-Willys-Knight-66-B_DV-09_BC_a01.jpg

Anyway, BEAUTIFUL cars have been made with the "Silent-Knight"!!!

http://www.sportscardigest.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/101508-1255-scottsdalea1.jpg
Even WWII fighter plane engines were with (single)sleeve-valve engines (radials and V's). I'm like, bring back that technology!

:thumbsup:

And thanks again for the challenge! I found so much interesting car history! :highfive:

I~LUV~Caddys8792
08-09-09, 11:39 AM
Bingo :thumbsup:

Kudos my friend, kudos... I knew that someone with enough patience, genuine interest in automobilia, and a desire to play by the, ahem.. originally prescribed "rules" would get it.

You're right though... It really is a fascinating story and a real piece of American automotive history which was sadly, a tad bit ahead of its time... One can only wonder what the automotive landscape might be like today, had cars such as this really taken off and been allowed to prosper, expand, and further develop.

Again... Bravo and kudos! The metaphorical "ball" is rightly in your court... ;)


Wow, a working hybrid in 1930. Take that Prius owners! :highfive:

I~LUV~Caddys8792
08-09-09, 11:42 AM
But you have to wait your turn anyway. Even if you are super moderator ;)

Alright, well since it seems that all our other mysteries have been solved, here's another picture from the one I posted earlier.

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/Stuff%20from%20work/IMG_0810.jpg?t=1249832519
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/Stuff%20from%20work/IMG_0805.jpg

Hint: they made this car for three years, but the dashboard was only like this for one. It's very space-ageish.

70eldo
08-09-09, 01:36 PM
Alright, well since it seems that all our other mysteries have been solved, here's another picture from the one I posted earlier.




Hint: they made this car for three years, but the dashboard was only like this for one. It's very space-ageish.

I appreciate your enthusiasm, but orconn guess the last one right, so he can post the next mistery car. ;)

orconn
08-09-09, 03:38 PM
I appreciate your enthusiasm, but orconn guess the last one right, so he can post the next mistery car. ;)

Thanks for the consideration, but I'm having trouble with picture posting, so Chad can have my turn.

Chad the car is a 1960 Continental Convertible (Lincoln)*
* They changed the design on the '60 because of the propensity of the large piece of plastic covering the instruments to crack on the '58 and '59. (My friends dad's 1958 sedan cracked within a month of his taking delivery "new."

Go ahead and post another one, Chad.

orconn
08-14-09, 03:52 PM
Anybody still interested in this?

AMGoff
08-14-09, 04:52 PM
Anybody still interested in this?

Damn... Lost the pool by a single day :nono:

In case you haven't noticed - there's only been one person who has consistently bumped this thing back up for whatever reason. So post a stinkin' pic or just let the thing die already.

Hooligan63
08-31-09, 09:33 AM
Well,since I'm back,I have one since no one else posted one.

This definitely isn't stock,and I don't remember anyone stating anything about the car having to be stock,so here you go.Make,Model,Year:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/MattGrimm13/MysteryCar.jpg