: Enough with the carriage tops.



Jesda
06-24-09, 12:20 AM
http://www.q45.org/cpg/albums/userpics/10001/normal_IMG00042.jpg

Yes, its a Lincoln, but its an MKZ. I mean, come on.

Playdrv4me
06-24-09, 12:26 AM
That's just...

No, there's no words for that abomination.

The Shriner badge on the tail-light is the finishing touch.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
06-24-09, 12:48 AM
When I was in Kansas earlier this month, I saw a carriage top on a late '90s Camry. No shit.

dirt_cheap_fleetwood
06-24-09, 12:51 AM
There is someone that works at the McDonalds by my work that has a carriage top on a late 80's Corolla. I will take a picture of it sometime.

orconn
06-24-09, 12:53 AM
While I have nothing against Shriners, I do find carriage tops, or any number of pseudo-convertible treatments of hard top cars to be an unnecessary and unsuccessful attempt to improve contemporary auto design. I first saw these so called "luxury" treatments, when I had an office in Beverly Hills, applied to mostly American luxury cars of the early eighties. They struck me at the time as too much money chasing bad taste ......an all to common Beverly Hills phenomenon. We had just come down from Detroit's padded vinyl roof affliction when this and the burgeoning "Rolls" grill appendage and the new trend toward "stretch" limos (O'Gara Coachworks had a showroom at Wilshire Blvd and Rodeo Dr. before it was demolished to make way for the new pedestrian mall) was just making itself felt. Unfortunately the desire to"guilt the lily" is not unique to the inhabitants of Beverly Hills and we've seen these auto embellishments become common in the most backwater of American towns and the term "Pimped" take on a hole new meaning.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
06-24-09, 12:53 AM
There is someone that works at the McDonalds by my work that has a carriage top on a late 80's Corolla. I will take a picture of it sometime.


Hmmm.... Any relation there?? :hmm: :hmm:

Playdrv4me
06-24-09, 01:02 AM
When I was in Kansas earlier this month, I saw a carriage top on a late '90s Camry. No shit.

Yes! I've seen the 2000s ROUND body with them. It looks HORRIBLE!

Playdrv4me
06-24-09, 01:07 AM
I believe the automotive industry term for this disaster is "Sim-Con Top". As in... Simulated Convertible.

As long as you're faking it, why not add the stick-on Sunroof?

http://sunboar.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/decano-sunroof1.jpg

(No, that is NOT Billy Mays)

orconn
06-24-09, 01:22 AM
I believe the automotive industry term for this disaster is "Sim-Con Top". As in... Simulated Convertible.

As long as you're faking it, why not add the stick-on Sunroof?

http://sunboar.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/decano-sunroof1.jpg

(No, that is NOT Billy Mays)

Its' actually Fidel Castro's grandson turned Capitalist demonstrating his new company's product and service. Viva la revolucion!

Sevillian273
06-24-09, 01:39 AM
Ehh heh.... guilty as charged...:hide:
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m280/merc892003/PC090014.jpg

Aron9000
06-24-09, 01:51 AM
The worst offenders are a Cadillac CTS with a fake top. I've seen both the old and new bodystyles with these abominations, complete with the tacky gold ornaments and trim.

dirt_cheap_fleetwood
06-24-09, 02:19 AM
Ehh heh.... guilty as charged...:hide:
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m280/merc892003/PC090014.jpg

That is fine, its a large, stately luxury sedan with solid body lines, so it looks like it belongs. Take my Brougham for example, it would look weird without the top on it. My Fleetwood looks good with the half top it has. The C body DeVilles also look great with the tops if the color combo is right, like white with a blue top. The K body DeVilles, however, are too roundy and look much less attractive with the tops on them. I actually prefer the tops.


The good.


http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn17/Saber2580/My%20Cars/1990%20Brougham/100_7679.jpg

http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn17/Saber2580/My%20Cars/1988%20Fleetwood/IMG_0194.jpg

http://www.100megsfree4.com/cadillac/cad1990/1993/sdv2.jpg


The bad.


http://www.nakovanj.biz/image/100_0105.jpg

http://www.lasvegasdodge.com/stock/16670A.jpg

Sevillian273
06-24-09, 02:40 AM
Haha agreed. Those last 2 are aweful! What I dont like about mine is that the carriage top ends in the MIDDLE of the roof! Stately luxury wasnt exactly the trim level I was going for with that car... My uncle removed the cloth top from his Pontiac Parisienne and after the neccesary body work it looked sweet.

billc83
06-24-09, 03:01 AM
There can be only one:

http://static.flickr.com/3021/3027319009_2a482d5374.jpg

Too bad I missed the one on eBay a few months back with both carriage top AND continental kit[!].

77CDV
06-24-09, 03:06 AM
The carriage top treatment works on very few cars. This is not one of them.

Rodya234
06-24-09, 03:14 AM
Yeah, the one on my dad's car suckzors. Personally I hate them on any car, but the stupid roof was the only reason that car only cost 900 bucks. At least the sunroof is real. :lol:
http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/9349/sspx0310i.jpg (http://img40.imageshack.us/i/sspx0310i.jpg/)



Now compare that to one that doesn't have a crappy carriage roof like mine:
http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/1026/sspx0037.jpg







I think the bare roof makes the car look much more stately and professional, awhile the carriage roof just looks like a lame attempt at the same.

Aron9000
06-24-09, 03:19 AM
The carriage roofs look horrible on the newer Cadillacs that have the doors that wrap into the roof of the car. It was kind of convincing on the older cars like the Brougham that were really square with doors that tucked under the roof.

dirt_cheap_fleetwood
06-24-09, 03:19 AM
The C body DeVilles are very tricky when it comes to the carriage tops. Some color/wheel combos, like your gray one, look 10x better without the top. However, there are others, like the aforementioned white with blue top and spoked hubcaps, that look far better with the top. Other ones that has always been to my liking is the slate green with a neutral colored top or royal blue with a white top. White with a black top is also suitable.

Spyder
06-24-09, 09:46 AM
<------------ Minority, apparently. I like 'em. It was one of the reasons I bought my '94 STS, white with tan top. Looked freaking great then and I still like the look now...

But then again, I like old Dodge's, Kaisers, Studes and Checkers.

itschrome
06-24-09, 10:08 AM
When I was in Kansas earlier this month, I saw a carriage top on a late '90s Camry. No shit.

just the other day i saw a 09 camary with one!!! i

c5 rv
06-24-09, 10:43 AM
I was just having this discussion with a buddy of mine. His requirements for his last DeVille:

- White or blue body
- Blue or beige contrasting canvas top
- Sunroof.

There are many people who really like the carriage roof look. I am one of those who don't.

Eric Kahn
06-24-09, 05:29 PM
my 95 has a carriage top that I do not like, would not have bought the car because of it but the deal was too good to pass up

dkozloski
06-24-09, 05:36 PM
Carraige roofs were invented as a way to sell cars that came down the production line with ripples in the roof from production errors or as a result of crash damage. It caught on with a certain segment of the public but it can still be a big warning sign that you might just be getting ready to buy a package with hidden damage.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
06-24-09, 07:49 PM
I agree with John. The carriage top works well on big square cars, not on rounded ones, and only on domestics. They hit their popularity peak in the '70s and '80s, back when all cars were square and long.

Cadillacs that look great with the carriage top:
1977-92 Broughams (as long as it's vinyl and not faux cloth)
1977-84 DeVilles (the big D Bodies never looked as good with metal roofs IMO)

1989-93 DeVilles. Moreso the sedan, but it's another one of those that's color dependant. Some color combinations look horrid, some look great. And again, these were offered with three different types of vinyl roofs, whether they were OEM or aftermarket.
Full padded- vinyl, covers all the roof, only on SDV
Formal Cabriolet- vinyl, covers behind the b-pillar. Only available on Coupes
Full-Cabriolet- cloth, covers entire roof, available for SDV and CDV
The one that Rodya posted was aftermarket. I saw one like it before, but it's NOT listed in any of the brochures.

1979-85 Eldorados. I also think they look great with the cloth top, but even more so with the stainless roof on the Biarritz models. That is class!

1993-96 Fleetwood Broughams. With the full vinyl top, it looks miles better than the base Fleetwood, to me atleast.

With that being said, I'd usually steer clear of a carriage top, just because it's easier to clean a metal roof and requires less maintenance.

V-Eight
06-25-09, 12:17 AM
That is fine, its a large, stately luxury sedan with solid body lines, so it looks like it belongs. Take my Brougham for example, it would look weird without the top on it. My Fleetwood looks good with the half top it has. The C body DeVilles also look great with the tops if the color combo is right, like white with a blue top. The K body DeVilles, however, are too roundy and look much less attractive with the tops on them. I actually prefer the tops.


The good.


http://www.100megsfree4.com/cadillac/cad1990/1993/sdv2.jpg



Can't agree on that one. TBH I always prefer a metal top

dirt_cheap_fleetwood
06-25-09, 01:10 AM
Is this better? Not the most ideal wheels, there were better options at the time, but this is the only white car I would ever buy.

http://www.performanceautos25.com/1992%20Cadillac%20Deville/coverpic.jpg


This is for sale by me. Perfect color/top/wheel combo. :drool:

http://images.autotrader.com/images/2009/5/6/262/003/11498554840.262003609.IM1.03.565x421_A.562x421.jpg

Playdrv4me
06-25-09, 02:19 AM
Man I know I'm not in the majority here but I just do not like the Deville coupes. Probably the ONLY Deville coupe I ever found attractive was Rick's grey one. He had that looking pretty good... Aside from that though I think the Sedan looks alot more complete.

I do agree though that the best color combo to have the Carriage roof is Cotillion White with a Navy blue roof. I don't mind the roof at all there.

eldorado99
06-25-09, 03:50 AM
Enough with Carrot Top?? Yeah I think so too, someone needs to tell him he's not funny at all.

Seriously though I agree. I don't even like them on Town Cars anymore. Everytime I see this ad for a '00 TC http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/cto/1220711346.html I throw up in my mouth a little bit. Though everyone else must do the same because its been for sale for months... that might be the asking price though.

Red_October_7000
06-25-09, 04:42 AM
Carraige roofs were invented as a way to sell cars that came down the production line with ripples in the roof from production errors or as a result of crash damage. It caught on with a certain segment of the public but it can still be a big warning sign that you might just be getting ready to buy a package with hidden damage.

How the fvck do you know all this shit? Seriously dude, I thought I was full of lots of little facts. Now I see my future and it is awesome. This does go a long way to explaining cars I've seen that have no business having them, such as the afforementioned 2000s-era Camrys, they look like cat shit on a cough drop with a Landau roof (I've always heard them called Landau Roofs). I think a lot of them find there way onto what I call "old man specials", big, comfy cars like Grand Marquis and LeSabres, that will have some sort of insane name ("Presidential Series" is popular but there are as many variants as stars in the sky), the Carriagge top or Landau Roof if you will, and zero additional options. They look the part, but they're just a pig in a prom dress.

c5 rv
06-25-09, 02:36 PM
I thought I remembered this topic:

http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/cadillac-forums-lounge-member-introductions/29069-throwup-time-carriage-roof-lexus.html#post227711

AMGoff
06-25-09, 03:55 PM
I generally dislike carriage roofs... Although I am a guilty offender with owning one - the Eldo is blue with a white top. It actually looked good to me for some reason and still does, especially with the blue piping in the interior. I think I posted these a while ago, but I still have the pics from when I first got it up on flickr...

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2017/2349746733_18a7d3c271.jpg?v=0
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2197/2349746739_3625789a5a.jpg?v=0
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2309/2349746747_dc1441dfd5.jpg?v=0

However... I totally agree with Chad that in general, they look much better on squared bodies than they do on more rounded ones. There's a '98+ Seville that I've seen driving around here that looks very similar to this and it just looks God-awful:

http://www.pillings.com/pics/Cadillac/Seville/1998_Simcon.jpg

It's as bad, if not worse than these...

http://www.pillings.com/pics/Chrysler/300M/1999_Flat_DripRails.jpg
http://www.pillings.com/pics/Chrysler/PTCruiser/2000_Flat.jpg

And most especially these...

http://www.pillings.com/pics/Lexus/2001_LS430_FlatFormal_DripRails.jpg
http://www.pillings.com/pics/Lexus/2002_ES300_Flat.jpg

Awful... Just awful...

AMGoff
06-25-09, 04:05 PM
Jesus Christ... It gets even worse - Hyundais? Seriously?

http://www.pillings.com/pics/Hyundai/Sonata/1999_Flat_DripRails.jpg
http://www.pillings.com/pics/Hyundai/XG300/2001_Flat_DripRails.jpg

Ohhh... But I've saved the best one for last... Wait for it... Wait... for... it...

http://www.pillings.com/pics/Dodge/Pickup/1994_Flat.jpg

The Tony Show
06-25-09, 05:19 PM
I'm still shocked that some Cadillac Dealer in Miami or Ft. Lauderdale hasn't wrapped an XLR's folding hardtop with vinyl or canvas.

orconn
06-25-09, 05:35 PM
I'm still shocked that some Cadillac Dealer in Miami or Ft. Lauderdale hasn't wrapped an XLR's folding hardtop with vinyl or canvas.

Yeah, and stuck a "Limited" emblem on the flag pannel!

dirt_cheap_fleetwood
06-25-09, 05:49 PM
Adam, you have no idea how much I want your Eldorado. Screw the Wagoneer, I would much rather have white leather. That is also one of the best color combos out there, blue with the white top.

Playdrv4me
06-25-09, 05:54 PM
ohhh... But i've saved the best one for last... Wait for it... Wait... For... It...

http://www.pillings.com/pics/Dodge/Pickup/1994_Flat.jpg

Aww come on man!!!

Sevillian273
06-25-09, 07:22 PM
That dodge pickup takes the cake. Epic Fail. I cant imagine worse unless they stick one on a hummer!

ga_etc
06-26-09, 04:31 AM
Dirt_cheep_fleetwood's coupe is very sharp and so is AMGoff's Eldorado. Examples of the carriage roof looking good. That Ram, however, is an abomination... :shudder:

dkozloski
06-26-09, 05:18 AM
Here's how to make your own with thinwall conduit and chicken wire.

http://www.rodandcustommagazine.com/howto/86421/index.html

Sandy
06-26-09, 10:39 AM
Ther Cimmaron above needs the following:

All chrome done in Gold
A sun Roof in the Sim-Com
A continential kit with a wire wheel disc in the center
a "California Rake"


A sim Con does not look good on any C-Body beginning with the 1994s

gary88
06-26-09, 03:11 PM
Yesterday I saw a black '07 CTS with a carriage top :ack::ack:

dkozloski
06-26-09, 03:31 PM
Is a CTS with a carraige top and 22" buggy wheels retro?

I~LUV~Caddys8792
06-26-09, 03:40 PM
I drive by this '94 two days a week. It's one of the few 94-96's that the simcon works on.

http://images.autouplinkusa.com/v/6635/Originals/1G6KD52B3RU22949702.JPG

dirt_cheap_fleetwood
06-26-09, 09:32 PM
^ Sorry Chad, but that is hideous. It looks like cheap plasticrap glued to the roof. If those have a top at all is MUST be cloth. I also do not like the fact that it covers part of the opera windows on the rear doors.

Red_October_7000
06-27-09, 04:44 AM
Here's how to make your own with thinwall conduit and chicken wire.

http://www.rodandcustommagazine.com/howto/86421/index.html

Wow that must look like SHIT when it's finished. And they spell "Custom" with a "K" for the hard C sound. Ugh. All in all it reminds me of that car I saw once on a Jalopnik page; it was a Pontiac, A Sunfire or something, covered with wood and plaster or something to make it look like a Laborghini. Here's the link if you wanna throw up in your mouth a little.
http://jalopnik.com/5291052/pontiac-sunfire+based-fake-lamborghini-ends-up-in-junkyard

inurok
07-23-09, 03:42 AM
I love mine
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y193/inurok/P1010305.jpg

93DevilleUSMC
07-23-09, 08:58 PM
I can't stand them on any non-luxury car, and on any car past the mid-90s. They are a non-contact eye gougr on late-model Sevilles.