: Helicopter stared me down. I played it cool.



Jesda
06-07-09, 08:00 PM
I went to the Spirit of St Louis Airport to take some pictures of the car. The area is surrounded by some up and coming commercial developments, abandoned rural structures, and farm land. Then of course there's the airport itself which serves cropdusters, charter jets, personal aircraft, and helicopters.

I pulled into the end of a street near the runway and parked. After I began taking photos a small white helicopter came close and hovered nearby for about 4-5 minutes, giving me a stare-down. I'd estimate it was about 1/3 of a mile away, perhaps less, just hanging out there pointing at me. I tried not to face in its direction and played it off like I didn't notice him. He eventually went away. Damn spook.

http://www.q45.org/cpg/albums/userpics/10001/normal_DCP_3977.jpg
http://www.q45.org/cpg/albums/userpics/10001/normal_DCP_3978.jpg
COOL HOUSE. I LIVE HERE AND CHEW TOBACCO.
Not really.

http://www.q45.org/cpg/albums/userpics/10001/normal_DCP_3979.jpg
NICE YARD

http://www.q45.org/cpg/albums/userpics/10001/normal_DCP_3982.jpg

http://www.q45.org/cpg/albums/userpics/10001/normal_DCP_3985.jpg
http://www.q45.org/cpg/albums/userpics/10001/normal_DCP_3984.jpg
Thats obviously an airport back there.

http://www.q45.org/cpg/albums/userpics/10001/normal_DCP_3990.jpg
Cliche Cardomain pose.

http://www.q45.org/cpg/albums/userpics/10001/normal_DCP_3993.jpg
After he flew away I took a photo. If you look at the roof of the car, half way between the door handle and the pink Vintage Vinyl bumper sticker, then look right above the grass, you can see the helicopter.

http://www.q45.org/cpg/albums/userpics/10001/normal_DCP_3996.jpg
http://www.q45.org/cpg/albums/userpics/10001/normal_DCP_4003.jpg

http://www.q45.org/cpg/albums/userpics/10001/normal_DCP_4005.jpg
Paid a few bucks to clean the wheels, finally.

http://www.q45.org/cpg/albums/userpics/10001/normal_DCP_4006%7E0.jpg
WOW I'M SO ARTISTIC. ONLY A TRUE ARTIST KNOWS HOW TO PUSH BUTTONS IN IPHOTO.

That is all.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
06-07-09, 08:03 PM
http://www.q45.org/cpg/albums/userpics/10001/normal_DCP_3977.jpg

Wow, talk about being out of place.

Rodya234
06-07-09, 08:17 PM
I've been chased by the Chicago Police helicopter (yes, there's only one) twice in my life.

The first time was at night and they used the spotlight and everything. Damn near crapped my pants. Of course the chopper wasn't as scary as the two police cruisers that were right with it.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3193/2632194249_cc28debab9.jpg?v=0
I hate that thing.

Jesda
06-07-09, 08:21 PM
Wow, talk about being out of place.

At night they turn it into a ghay bar. :cool2::shhh:

I~LUV~Caddys8792
06-07-09, 08:25 PM
At night they turn it into a ghay bar. :cool2::shhh:

Do the sweet, seductive sounds of George Michael draw you near?

Rodya234
06-07-09, 08:30 PM
Ghay bar? the crossfire must fit in perfectly. :p

Playdrv4me
06-07-09, 08:51 PM
I went to the Spirit of St Louis Airport...

I pulled into the end of a street near the runway and parked. After I began taking photos a small white helicopter came close and hovered nearby for about 4-5 minutes, giving me a stare-down.

Don't park on a Helipad next time.

Jesda
06-07-09, 09:01 PM
Ghay bar? the crossfire must fit in perfectly. :p

Thats why I showed up early. Parking lot gets full with Miatas, Beetles, Jettas, Audi TTs, Wranglers, and V6 Mustangs. :D

I~LUV~Caddys8792
06-07-09, 09:03 PM
Thats why I showed up early. Parking lot gets full with Miatas, Beetles, Jettas, Audi TTs, Wranglers, and V6 Mustangs. :D


And the infamous "I'd Rather Be At A Michael Buble Concert" bumper stickers as far as the eye can see..... :lol:

dkozloski
06-07-09, 09:13 PM
As I was driving through Isabel pass one night in a heavy snowstorm I noticed a strange glow all around me that seemed to be traveling with me. I stopped, got out, looked up, and there was an Army helicopter equipped with a big search light that was using me for a guide. I got back in my car and proceeded down the road with the chopper right above me all the way. As I passed by the Army's cold weather training facility at Black Rapids I saw the helicopter land safely. I'll bet that guy wished he'd done a little better planning.

Ranger
06-07-09, 10:34 PM
I tried not to face in its direction and played it off like I didn't notice him.
You should have taken pictures of him.

Jesda
06-07-09, 10:48 PM
You should have taken pictures of him.

I'm brown.

Rodya234
06-07-09, 10:50 PM
I'm brown.

He could have thought you were a terrorist on a reconnaissance mission to the airfield.

Or that your camera was some sort of new terrorist RPG.

orconn
06-07-09, 11:28 PM
As I was driving through Isabel pass one night in a heavy snowstorm I noticed a strange glow all around me that seemed to be traveling with me. I stopped, got out, looked up, and there was an Army helicopter equipped with a big search light that was using me for a guide. I got back in my car and proceeded down the road with the chopper right above me all the way. As I passed by the Army's cold weather training facility at Black Rapids I saw the helicopter land safely. I'll bet that guy wished he'd done a little better planning.

Great story!

eyekandyboats.inc
06-07-09, 11:37 PM
Jesda. you have a very nice car! :).. almost got one a while back but picked up a RX-8 instead

Spyder
06-08-09, 10:16 AM
So...you'll be parking between the blue Miata and the silver Jetta?

Jesda
06-08-09, 10:39 AM
So...you'll be parking between the blue Miata and the silver Jetta?

In more ways than one. :cool2: :hotdog:

dirt_cheap_fleetwood
06-09-09, 12:58 AM
Only a plain white helicopter? Where I am at I can shake a fence and have 2 Apaches over me in a minute flat. Its kind of scary actually and the damn things keep flying around all night patrolling the base.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
06-09-09, 01:43 AM
Did someone say helicopter?

http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/photos/uncategorized/2007/04/11/v22osprey01.jpg

Rodya234
06-09-09, 01:00 PM
Hey! That's not a helicopter............oh wait.

Aron9000
06-09-09, 09:02 PM
Did someone say helicopter?

http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/photos/uncategorized/2007/04/11/v22osprey01.jpg

I guess those are real then. Only place I've seen one was in the new Terminator movie.

Rodya234
06-09-09, 09:38 PM
Yep the V-22 is in active service with the USMC.

dirt_cheap_fleetwood
06-10-09, 12:03 AM
There are not many of them though. They were plagued with problems for much of their life but now they have finally worked all the kinks out.

The Tony Show
06-10-09, 02:07 PM
I think the helicopter pilot was simply gazing in awe at the amazing stickers on your Crossfire.

Night Wolf
06-10-09, 04:36 PM
With a helicopter comes a helicopter refueler:

http://www.defencetalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/helicopter-air-refueling-japan-01.jpg

Finished working on one last week, back to a standard cargo model again.

gary88
06-10-09, 04:46 PM
Still not as cool as the KC-135 :alright:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v222/gheb88/foto_kc135d.jpg

dkozloski
06-10-09, 06:07 PM
Back in the day when I was first learning to fly I was shooting touch and go landings at a local private field in my Cessna 180. As I was on final approach I noticed a large turbine helicopter spooling up alongside the runway near my projected landing zone. I decided to make a go around and just as I passed the helicopter he lifted off the ground into a hover. I was close enough that the rotor downwash flipped my plane onto its back and I got an instant lesson in recovering from unusual maneuvers. During climbout after the recovery I looked back and saw the helicopter settle back on the ground. If I'd contiued with my original idea to actually touch down I'd probably be dead. Since that incident I don't trust helicopter pilots. In my own mind I'll always believe that it was the deliberate act of a jokester.

Jesda
06-10-09, 06:10 PM
I think the helicopter pilot was simply gazing in awe at the amazing stickers on your Crossfire.

He was like "Damn, Vintage Vinyl! I gotta buy some rekkids"

V-Eight
06-10-09, 07:01 PM
Still not as cool as the KC-135 :alright:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v222/gheb88/foto_kc135d.jpg

Because it doesn't have a boner?

MauiV
06-10-09, 08:14 PM
Brown skinned male driving a funny lookin car with out of state plates taking pictures around an airport. I cant imagine why the fuss.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
06-10-09, 08:40 PM
Jesda, did you have your turban on again?

Night Wolf
06-10-09, 08:43 PM
Still not as cool as the KC-135 :alright:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v222/gheb88/foto_kc135d.jpg

KC-135 dosen't do this:

http://www.ndu.edu/nwc/nwcCLIPARt/US_AIR_FORCE/Equipment/Attack-Fighter_Aircraft/AC-130/aAC130HSpectre06.jpg

:cool2:

nikon
06-10-09, 09:42 PM
Back in the day when I was first learning to fly I was shooting touch and go landings at a local private field in my Cessna 180. As I was on final approach I noticed a large turbine helicopter spooling up alongside the runway near my projected landing zone. I decided to make a go around and just as I passed the helicopter he lifted off the ground into a hover. I was close enough that the rotor downwash flipped my plane onto its back and I got an instant lesson in recovering from unusual maneuvers. During climbout after the recovery I looked back and saw the helicopter settle back on the ground. If I'd contiued with my original idea to actually touch down I'd probably be dead. Since that incident I don't trust helicopter pilots. In my own mind I'll always believe that it was the deliberate act of a jokester.


yup, your just like every other fixed wing guy I know....they compare choppers/planes to bikes/cars we're always the outlaws....it's ok I don't mind being the outlaw. And I must say, I find it extremely hard to believe any pilot knowing the risks would play a 'joke' on someone......don't worry old man, you can trust us...we just don't like runways.

http://www.jollygreen.org/Humor/Reasoner.jpg

gary88
06-10-09, 10:42 PM
KC-135 dosen't do this:

http://www.ndu.edu/nwc/nwcCLIPARt/US_AIR_FORCE/Equipment/Attack-Fighter_Aircraft/AC-130/aAC130HSpectre06.jpg

:cool2:

Oh yeah?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v222/gheb88/Untitled-1-10.jpg

:rock:

Night Wolf
06-10-09, 11:11 PM
Oh yeah?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v222/gheb88/Untitled-1-10.jpg

:rock:

LOL!

What about up close n personal?

http://www.militarypictures.info/d/934-3/ac-130.jpg

http://xmb.stuffucanuse.com/xmb/viewthread.php?action=attachment&tid=4405&pid=12838

Angel flares!

http://newcentrist.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/ac130-gunship2.jpg

http://members.tripod.com/~allen8633/ac-130hflairs.jpg

I'm becoming rather partial to them now, I didn't think I would. I've been working on this airframe coming up on a year now - it's a rather easy aircraft to work with, atleast with what I've done.... the fact that these things were designed in the 30's/40's, as it first flew in 1952 - and are still being produced today here in Georiga is impressive.

Ah well, I should stop before I threadjack :)

I~LUV~Caddys8792
06-10-09, 11:14 PM
She is attractive. Oh yeah, women behind big guns.

Spyder
06-10-09, 11:50 PM
Another view...

dkozloski
06-11-09, 12:07 AM
yup, your just like every other fixed wing guy I know....they compare choppers/planes to bikes/cars we're always the outlaws....it's ok I don't mind being the outlaw. And I must say, I find it extremely hard to believe any pilot knowing the risks would play a 'joke' on someone......don't worry old man, you can trust us...we just don't like runways.

http://www.jollygreen.org/Humor/Reasoner.jpg
A good friend of mine who was an ex Viet Nam chopper pilot had thousands of hours of rotory wing time and a lot less fixed wing time. Unfortunately, while making an instrument approach to Galena AFS, Ak in an Aero Commander twin that belonged to the Fort Wainwright flying club the weather was worse than expected and conditions got so bad he reverted to his earliest training and tried to pull the plane into a hover to assess the situation. He spread himself and his family as well as another family all over the ground. The approach was a GCA approach and his actions were well documented. Strangely enough the accident investigators remarked that it wasn't the first time they'd seen this reaction in an old chopper pilot.

dkozloski
06-11-09, 12:20 AM
Not too long ago my nephew got to go on a ride along on a KC-135 mission out of Eielson AFB, Alaska refueling some F-22s. He was impressed. A guy that had worked for him at his NAPA store had quit and joined the Alaska Air National Guard. My nephew, half joking, said that he'd like a ride some day on an ANG tanker. One day out of the blue he got a call and his old employee told him to get on his horse if he wanted to go for a plane ride.

Night Wolf
06-11-09, 12:37 AM
A good friend of mine who was an ex Viet Nam chopper pilot had thousands of hours of rotory wing time and a lot less fixed wing time. Unfortunately, while making an instrument approach to Galena AFS, Ak in an Aero Commander twin that belonged to the Fort Wainwright flying club the weather was worse than expected and conditions got so bad he reverted to his earliest training and tried to pull the plane into a hover to assess the situation. He spread himself and his family as well as another family all over the ground. The approach was a GCA approach and his actions were well documented. Strangely enough the accident investigators remarked that it wasn't the first time they'd seen this reaction in an old chopper pilot.

Aero Commander...

we had one at my tech school... dubbed the Ground Commander as the thing was severly corroded from a salt water landing. I thought it was a rather interesting plane, had that wild bush pilot look to it while still being a small GA aircraft, this isn't the one but it was similar... yellow, black and white also called bumble bee.

http://www.edcoatescollection.com/ac3/Exec%20Aviation/Aero%20Commander%20500S.jpg

nikon
06-11-09, 10:11 AM
A good friend of mine who was an ex Viet Nam chopper pilot had thousands of hours of rotory wing time and a lot less fixed wing time. Unfortunately, while making an instrument approach to Galena AFS, Ak in an Aero Commander twin that belonged to the Fort Wainwright flying club the weather was worse than expected and conditions got so bad he reverted to his earliest training and tried to pull the plane into a hover to assess the situation. He spread himself and his family as well as another family all over the ground. The approach was a GCA approach and his actions were well documented. Strangely enough the accident investigators remarked that it wasn't the first time they'd seen this reaction in an old chopper pilot.


Thats just stupidity, or he was really nervous and shouldn't have been up anyways...he couldn't have been that skilled if he couldn't even remember what kind of ship he was in.....either way, that has nothing to do with you not trusting helicopter pilots...everyone makes mistakes.

MauiV
06-11-09, 01:37 PM
I dont trust any pilot, especially those whose call sign starts with November and even more so if they cant maintain 250 knots. The worst? CAP flights.

dkozloski
06-11-09, 06:14 PM
Thats just stupidity, or he was really nervous and shouldn't have been up anyways...he couldn't have been that skilled if he couldn't even remember what kind of ship he was in.....either way, that has nothing to do with you not trusting helicopter pilots...everyone makes mistakes.
A fixed wing aircraft floats on gossamer wings, a helicopter thrashes the air into submission with multiple flyswatters with way too many moving parts all supplied by the lowest bidder.

Night Wolf
06-11-09, 09:46 PM
A fixed wing aircraft floats on gossamer wings, a helicopter thrashes the air into submission with multiple flyswatters with way too many moving parts all supplied by the lowest bidder.

LOL! Yeah... thats so true.

I remember back when I was taking lessons in a C-152, my instructor, a real old timer - always said that in a moment of emergency, one will resort back to their very first training/instructor, regardless of experience level. Maybe not a 100% statement, but from various things I've read over the years, I'd say it is true for some.

nikon
06-12-09, 05:19 PM
A fixed wing aircraft floats on gossamer wings, a helicopter thrashes the air into submission with multiple flyswatters with way too many moving parts all supplied by the lowest bidder.


I will agree with that :lol:

dkozloski
06-12-09, 06:12 PM
The first helicopter I ever road on was an SH-3 Sea King. As I was hoisted aboard via a horse collar the first thing I noticed was that the whole machine oscillated around about 1/2in or more at the rotor rev rate. The sensation was similar to riding in a giant paint shaker. The next thing I noticed was that anything inside the machine that was less than an inch or so from anything else, had been hitting or rubbing together at one time or another indicating an even worse rotor imbalance issue had occurred. I asked one of the Marine Corps crew members what happened when they picked up ice on the rotors and he said, "You crash". Helicopters are not safe. After we landed on the carrier one of the cew members got his finger ring hung upon the doorway as he exited and left the ring and the finger with some tendons trailing from it hanging there. Shortly there after another chopper landed on the flightdeck and as the rotor spooled down the droop stops failed to deploy and the rotor blades drooped until they caught the tailboom. The machine went over on its side and proceeded to thrash itsef to death. Helicopters are not safe.

orconn
06-12-09, 06:51 PM
Helicopters may be unsafe, Koz, but riding in a medevac chopper sure beats waiting for them to build an airstrip so they can land a fixed wing and get your wounded butt out the LZ! Long live choppers and their pilots and crew!

Sinister Angel
06-12-09, 08:42 PM
Don't know about the SH-3, but the UH-60Ms (and I'm sure earlier versions as well) have heated leading edges on the main rotor blades.

Ranger
06-12-09, 10:54 PM
Helicopters may be unsafe, Koz, but riding in a medevac chopper sure beats waiting for them to build an airstrip so they can land a fixed wing and get your wounded butt out the LZ! Long live choppers and their pilots and crew!
Amen! No greater site than a formation of extraction choppers, gunships or dustoffs when you need them. I hold those crews in MUCH higher esteem than fixed wing anytime. They have my undying admiration. :bows:

dkozloski
06-12-09, 11:24 PM
Amen! No greater site than a formation of extraction choppers, gunships or dustoffs when you need them. I hold those crews in MUCH higher esteem than fixed wing anytime. They have my undying admiration. :bows:
There's no difference in the crews. Anyone that is willing to operate in an unnatural element, including submariners, gets my admiration.

Ranger
06-12-09, 11:31 PM
There's no difference in the crews. Anyone that is willing to operate in an unnatural element, including submariners, gets my admiration.

Originally Posted by dkozloski View Post
"Back in the day when I was first learning to fly I was shooting touch and go landings at a local private field in my Cessna 180. As I was on final approach I noticed a large turbine helicopter spooling up alongside the runway near my projected landing zone. I decided to make a go around and just as I passed the helicopter he lifted off the ground into a hover. I was close enough that the rotor downwash flipped my plane onto its back and I got an instant lesson in recovering from unusual maneuvers. During climbout after the recovery I looked back and saw the helicopter settle back on the ground. If I'd contiued with my original idea to actually touch down I'd probably be dead. Since that incident I don't trust helicopter pilots. In my own mind I'll always believe that it was the deliberate act of a jokester.
"

orconn
06-13-09, 12:14 AM
There's no difference in the crews. Anyone that is willing to operate in an unnatural element, including submariners, gets my admiration.

I couldn't agree more with your statement, my hat off to all those who go in harms way both in combat and in the daily carrying out of their assigned tasks and duties. That goes for military, naval and air personnel as well as civilians who take risk so that we may have a better place to live.

GizmoQ
06-13-09, 01:39 AM
I was close enough that the rotor downwash flipped my plane onto its back and I got an instant lesson in recovering from unusual maneuvers.

Been there, done that! But in my case it was a freak wind shear and I was on takeoff just out of the ground effect (appx 10 feet and rising) at 240kts. Seeing the cracks in the pavement was all I remember about the takeoff. Someone later told me I did the complete takeoff inverted, rolled it over 270 degrees at the end of the runway into a left turn, sucked up the gears, and went on to complete the mission.





Amen! No greater site than a formation of extraction choppers, gunships or dustoffs when you need them. I hold those crews in MUCH higher esteem than fixed wing anytime. They have my undying admiration. :bows:
There's no difference in the crews. Anyone that is willing to operate in an unnatural element, including submariners, gets my admiration.

No offense to the daredevils in rotary wing aircraft, I appreciate the inticacy of the designs of such aircraft as the Apache, Commanche, and Blackhawk when Congress forced me to initiate the design of what my fellow engineers dubbed the "Electric Whirley Weasel Jayhawk".

Electric - onnboard Electronic Jammers ala EF-111F
Whirley - self explanatory (but I was Air Force with three bleeding-edge fighters under my belt)
Weasel - nickname for aircraft of the United States Air Force tasked with the Suppression of Enemy Air Defenses (SEAD) mission
Jayhawk - search and rescue (SAR)

After I got the program killed (to meet all their requirements the aircraft doubled in size and the crew would be sterile after 50 hours, cancer in 100, dead in 200), Congress turned it back over to the Army who came up with the MH-60L Direct Action Penetrator (DAP) / AH-60L.

But, my point is don't disparage us fast movers, we're all in the same game: you win, you RTB and have a beer; you lose, you're just DEAD. For us the proximity of the game has changed - no more machine gun dogfights, but the pucker factor still pegs when your aircraft is painted and there are missiles in the air!