: Red STS Review of ICE Paste Polish and Meguiars Gold Class



K STS
05-31-09, 10:03 PM
continued from http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/cadillac-sts-forum-2005-through-2010/170887-red-sts-review-ice-3-step.html.

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I pulled the cover over my car at noon, and went to work. First came the ICE TechPolish, put on all surfaces, wheels, plastic, windows, etc and let to dry for 30 minutes. It was a pain in the ass to get off. Heres what it looks like with the ICE Polish Applied.

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K STS
05-31-09, 10:04 PM
Next came to wipe it off with a microfiber. It took forever, but as you can see the paint and clear look AMAZING. Keep in mind there is NO WAX on the car yet. This is just the polish with clear and paint.

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K STS
05-31-09, 10:04 PM
The next step was to apply the Meguiars Gold Class. I used the included applicator, and did everything BUT the black plastic. I made sure there was a visible layer on the car:

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K STS
05-31-09, 10:04 PM
Here is the final product. As you can see, the paint is amazingly reflective. The color is much deeper, and truly vibrant. My roommates couldn't believe how much better the car looked after the clay bars/polish/wax. It is better than the show room floor.

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K STS
05-31-09, 10:05 PM
And here are the pictures you've all been waiting for! The finished product!:

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Overall, I give all the products used a giant TWO THUMBS UP. It truly changed the appearance of my car.

Superjim
05-31-09, 10:13 PM
That looks really good.

Texas Jim

Unique Distributing
05-31-09, 10:58 PM
I too use the Gold Class wax it is amazing for a nice solid finish on the cadillac. i went through at least 8 waxes before i came across this one. it might be 20$ but it is worht every pennie! dont go for the cheap stuff..... Ehhh did u buff this out or hand polish it?

K STS
06-01-09, 01:08 AM
Everything was done by hand. It took two full 8 hour days for the complete process. But totally worth it I think.

DBeaSST
06-01-09, 10:58 AM
The clay bar kits are a great thing. It can totally transform the look of the paint regardless of your choice of polish/wax. I've suggested them to several people who, after recovering from all the hard work, are amazed at how much it improves the look and feel of the paint.

Nice work on your STS!

Regulator
06-01-09, 11:25 AM
All that work and you leave an air freshener hanging off the mirror??

Lifer
06-01-09, 01:10 PM
Love the color. Needs some real portraits now.

1. The 17" wheels defy the massive appearance of this whip. Get some 18" or better.

2. That FORD front plate really sets off this machine. WHOO WHOO.

3. What about the inside, the engine, the glass? By the way, I never heard of waxing the windshield.

WillySTS
06-01-09, 01:32 PM
Love the color. Needs some real portraits now.

1. The 17" wheels defy the massive appearance of this whip. Get some 18" or better.

2. That FORD front plate really sets off this machine. WHOO WHOO.

3. What about the inside, the engine, the glass? By the way, I never heard of waxing the windshield.

I agree with 1 and 2, however, even ZAINO recommends applying their polish to the winshield because:

a) It sheds water better, kinda acts like RAIN-X

b) Makes it hard for bugs to stick and easier to clean off

c) Adds ZAINOS (don't know about other waxes) 40 UV rejection to the glass and thus help protect the interior from UV damage.

sburgin
06-01-09, 02:44 PM
I have an 05 STS - same color and tint shade as yours...
First thing I did too when I bought it was to clay bar it and wax .
these cars to clean up very nicely.

I still have the stock 17 inch wheels, and while I don't like them - I cannot find any 18 inch wheels that I think look classy, yet still sporty/show off (know what I mean)...I'm 41, and dont wan't to look like I'm an 17 yr old cruising the strip. Any suggestions ? pics ?

Regulator
06-01-09, 02:52 PM
sburgin,

I agree, putting rims on this car is difficult. I'd keep them stock or try to find some 18" take offs. Have you looked at all for a rear spoiler? That would really set that car off.

sburgin
06-01-09, 09:57 PM
perhaps -but I have to think getting a set of stock 18 inch wheels would be more expensive than going aftermarket. I'll have to keep my eye open.

To the submitter of this thread though, you *really* need need to get a random orbital polisher (like a porter cable 7424). it will cut your two day project down by more than a half. Plus, it will give you a shine you'll never be able to get with microfiber cloths and elbow grease

EChas3
06-01-09, 10:53 PM
perhaps -but I have to think getting a set of stock 18 inch wheels would be more expensive than going aftermarket. I'll have to keep my eye open.

To the submitter of this thread though, you *really* need need to get a random orbital polisher (like a porter cable 7424). it will cut your two day project down by more than a half. Plus, it will give you a shine you'll never be able to get with microfiber cloths and elbow grease

Not to pick a fight but...

Occasionally 'take-off's' can be found pretty cheap, if you believe the posts.

It's a lot easier to harm the finish and trim with a polisher. I'd like to compare the shine(s).

Regulator
06-02-09, 10:13 AM
You can't harm the finish with a random orbital polisher.(not unless you really try)
There is no way one should have done all that work by hand, there is no way to really polish by hand......maybe a quick once over, but that is way too much car. It takes a professional at least 2 hours to do a car with a 1600 rpm rotary buffer.... you can't tell me you can get anywhere near that doing 30 rpms by hand?

sburgin
06-02-09, 04:45 PM
my thought process as well - random orbital polishers don't keep the friction in one place long enough to cause any damage (maybe if you just lean your whole body on it). It's the RPM's that do all the work.

next time you go to do this - go rent one and report back. My money says you'll not go back to hand buffing ever again.




You can't harm the finish with a random orbital polisher.(not unless you really try)
There is no way one should have done all that work by hand, there is no way to really polish by hand......maybe a quick once over, but that is way too much car. It takes a professional at least 2 hours to do a car with a 1600 rpm rotary buffer.... you can't tell me you can get anywhere near that doing 30 rpms by hand?

hazcaddy
06-03-09, 10:38 AM
Amen to that. I've hand orbital buffers for about 10 years now and they work great. Through experience I've found it is important to
a) have plenty of bonnets, so as soon as one gets "waxed up" you can put a new one on;
b) there will still be areas you'll have to do by hand because the buffer can't reach (e.g. under door handles), and most importantly
c) use the buffer only to take polish and wax off. Putting it on with a buffer will illustrate several laws of physics that you learned about in high school, and will also involve a change of clothes.

bbshriver
06-03-09, 07:16 PM
Your experience in part C is exactly backwards of mine, I've always used the random orbital to apply product, and remove by hand. I use mostly Griot's Garage products and that seems to be the way they have designed the "system"
http://www.griotsgarage.com/product/car+care/car+polishing/car+polishes/machine+polish+%26+wax+kit.do

I've never had much luck with removing wax or polish with the machine, but partially I think because I've never had enough bonnets.

I did mine by hand this weekend, using the 1 step sealant from Griots, but I haven't bought the random orbital yet (used to use my parents' but they moved to Fla, so not as convenient now). Came out amazing, but could be a touch better if I'd had the orbital.


Amen to that. I've hand orbital buffers for about 10 years now and they work great. Through experience I've found it is important to
a) have plenty of bonnets, so as soon as one gets "waxed up" you can put a new one on;
b) there will still be areas you'll have to do by hand because the buffer can't reach (e.g. under door handles), and most importantly
c) use the buffer only to take polish and wax off. Putting it on with a buffer will illustrate several laws of physics that you learned about in high school, and will also involve a change of clothes.

K STS
06-03-09, 07:38 PM
Love the color. Needs some real portraits now.

1. The 17" wheels defy the massive appearance of this whip. Get some 18" or better.

2. That FORD front plate really sets off this machine. WHOO WHOO.

3. What about the inside, the engine, the glass? By the way, I never heard of waxing the windshield.


I plan on getting some chrome 20" wheels in a few weeks.

The ford plate is gone.

See other pictures.

K STS
06-03-09, 07:39 PM
I will be purchasing a orbital this week as well.

EChas3
06-03-09, 08:09 PM
Oh boy! A chance to buy a new toy!

Anybody know the value of Bon Ami for windshield bug removal?
Just rinse thoroughly.

AllWheelEric
06-03-09, 09:16 PM
K: Beautiful. I wish I would have found an STS in that color. I settled on Silver ("platinum"). Even so, you make me want to go spend a weekend cleaning it. When I look at your final photos, I have an urge to apply a treatment to your tires. I have an idea. You come polish my car, and I'll spray your tires! Seems fair to me.

K STS
06-04-09, 11:52 AM
yeah, i forgot to put the tire wet on. doh.

notso1951
06-06-09, 03:10 PM
Your car is beautiful man! Where can I buy the products you used? Is it a kit, or 3 different products? Please tell me what I need to get and I'll try to get mine looking as sharp as yours. Thanks!

trackbait
06-06-09, 03:57 PM
It's a lot easier to harm the finish and trim with a polisher. say what? I'd like to compare the shine(s).

With the Porter Cable 7424 buffer and the CORRECT foam pads, CHECK THESE OUT (http://www.autogeek.net/pc-foam-pad-kit.html)you wil get a substaintially better finsh that than when it rolled off the line brand new.

Comparisons? The hardest color on the planet is black. May I direct you to a few images for comparisons.. The after's look like wet nail polish.


http://www.c5dreamer.com/misc/blkb4.jpg
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http://www.c5dreamer.com/misc/blkb4a.jpg

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I would wager to say there is NO WAY you could ever get a finish like that by hand. Simply impossible.
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Another tip: Wash your car with a microfiber towell, then BLOW IT DRY it with a leaf blower. Will keep the swirlies away and minimize re waxing as often.

Dougs06sts
06-29-09, 04:23 PM
Excellent tip KSTS ! I've followed your advice step by step and have a couple photos of the results. The car came out looking fantastic. Everything was done by hand also and it took me about a day and a half. Lots of work :banghead:, but well worth it for the results :thumbsup:

Doug

hazcaddy
06-29-09, 05:32 PM
Excellent shine!

What I'm finding with getting a high shine on my Diamond White car is that it just becomes a high gloss white car: the "pearlized" look disappears for about a week. Using the new Maguiar Ultimate Quick Detailer spray instead between my twice-yearly polishing sessions alleviates that somewhat; you get a good shine but no loss of the special color effect.

:shhh: A heads-up for folks in Southern Ontario: the Eagle One "All Wheel & Tire Cleaner", which I've found to be mahvellous at getting rid of brake dust without killing yourself, is being dropped by most car parts and retail stores like Cdn Tire. Only Wal-Mart now sells it. I stocked up this morning to see me through to the end of the year.

amgqmp1
06-29-09, 08:53 PM
I did mine by hand this weekend, using the 1 step sealant from Griots, but I haven't bought the random orbital yet (used to use my parents' but they moved to Fla, so not as convenient now). Came out amazing, but could be a touch better if I'd had the orbital.

I've been using Griots products for years now, and a bottle of their Paint Sealant just arrived last week. I haven't yet had time to put it on, but I will say that you are better off having applied their Paint Sealant by hand. It's cut with their Fine Hand Polish product (I used to have an S2000...which was cake to do by hand, small car...so I extensively used the Fine Hand Polish and their Best of Show Wax). You won't hurt anything by running it on with an orbital, but I doubt you'd gain much.

My moms car was the first I had seen with it, and I was sold. You should see the Paint Sealant after a year (and one Iowa winter). Amazing product.

amgqmp1
06-29-09, 08:56 PM
Oh boy! A chance to buy a new toy!

Anybody know the value of Bon Ami for windshield bug removal?
Just rinse thoroughly.

LOL, isn't that stuff grout cleaner? If it's the thing with the little chicken or ducky on it...that stuff is very abrasive.
What kind of bugs are you getting on your windshield, anyways? :)

K STS
06-30-09, 01:05 AM
Excellent tip KSTS ! I've followed your advice step by step and have a couple photos of the results. The car came out looking fantastic. Everything was done by hand also and it took me about a day and a half. Lots of work :banghead:, but well worth it for the results :thumbsup:

Doug

Your car looks amazing. I REALLY like the color and wheels. Glad I could help. I STILL see effects of my process here from OVER A MONTH AGO!

porkfarm
07-03-09, 05:04 AM
I have tried a lot of waxes that the folks on autotopia rave about, but a few weeks ago I tried the ICE wax. I was shocked at how easy it was to use and how nice it looked, but it did not last long at all. Like a week..
But then I washed and waxed again with ICE and topped with Meg. #26 and I could tell by how the #26 was going on that it seemed to be sticking better to the paint. Used my UDM to buff it off and wow.. This was on the blue STS.

I think I am going to wash, clay ( real clay ) the bad areas then get some ICE clay, then ICE then top with Gold Class or #26. maybe try to work in the Klasse twins.. but now we are talking 3 days with multi coats and this will be on the white STS. That should hold it for the summer.

Dougs06sts
07-03-09, 05:20 AM
I have tried a lot of waxes that the folks on autotopia rave about, but a few weeks ago I tried the ICE wax. I was shocked at how easy it was to use and how nice it looked, but it did not last long at all. Like a week..
But then I washed and waxed again with ICE and topped with Meg. #26 and I could tell by how the #26 was going on that it seemed to be sticking better to the paint. Used my UDM to buff it off and wow.. This was on the blue STS.

I think I am going to wash, clay ( real clay ) the bad areas then get some ICE clay, then ICE then top with Gold Class or #26. maybe try to work in the Klasse twins.. but now we are talking 3 days with multi coats and this will be on the white STS. That should hold it for the summer.

Sounds like you're planning to do more work than you need to. If you:
1. Use the Liquid Clay
2. Use the Clay bar
3. Use the Polish
4. Cover with a coat or 2 of the McGuires'

You'll get an awesome finish and with a buffer it will only take a day to do leaving you the rest of the weekend to show it around town. K STS will tell you that the bitches love it. lol. :bling:

porkfarm
07-03-09, 10:28 PM
but if I use the Klasse, it needs a day to setup before another coat of sealer can be done. After everything is sealed, That's when I top with a good straight wax..

The Clay, Ice clay and Ice are just to get the paint very clean and white and ready to seal up and top off.

I do it once a year per car. After that just GoldClass wash and maybe ICE wax topped with a good straight wax.

K STS
07-06-09, 09:35 AM
Sounds like you're planning to do more work than you need to. If you:
1. Use the Liquid Clay
2. Use the Clay bar
3. Use the Polish
4. Cover with a coat or 2 of the McGuires'

You'll get an awesome finish and with a buffer it will only take a day to do leaving you the rest of the weekend to show it around town. K STS will tell you that the bitches love it. lol. :bling:

bitches love the shine

trackbait
07-06-09, 06:40 PM
I have tried a lot of waxes that the folks on autotopia rave about, but a few weeks ago I tried the ICE wax. I was shocked at how easy it was to use and how nice it looked, but it did not last long at all. Like a week..
But then I washed and waxed again with ICE and topped with Meg. #26 and I could tell by how the #26 was going on that it seemed to be sticking better to the paint. Used my UDM to buff it off and wow.. This was on the blue STS.

I think I am going to wash, clay ( real clay ) the bad areas then get some ICE clay, then ICE then top with Gold Class or #26. maybe try to work in the Klasse twins.. but now we are talking 3 days with multi coats and this will be on the white STS. That should hold it for the summer.



Now HERE's a guy that knows how to take care of the finish! Bravo. Not a single wasted step in the process. Should be done 3 to 4 times a year. Porter Cable and 4 different specific foam pads, and get after it. KUDO's Dude! (#26 is the key ingredient in this mix)

porkfarm
07-06-09, 10:37 PM
Thanks Trackbait.. Like I said, I just stumbled onto the ICE wax. It is a great prep product.

I got three coats of Klasse sealer on in the past 2 days.. I use sonus acr. spray .. Just a very light mist on a terry cloth bonnet and it comes off. Not easy, but the paint looks wet..

#26 tomorrow. As a side note.. I pulled the front grill from my white STS and painted it white to match the car. Now that is the best mod I have done yet... It was popcorn.

I might see if that chrome paint will look better than the gray on the wifes blue STS.

K STS
07-07-09, 11:33 AM
how long did it take you to take the grille off and put it back on? I wonder how chrome paint would look on factory grille. hmmm.

porkfarm
07-07-09, 12:19 PM
took about 20 mins. Just plastic push pins holding it on.
Start at the top and slowly remove.

a flat tip screwdriver will pop out the 4 pins ( 2 on each side) and take care on the bottom tabs that might have 3 metal clips that hold the headlight washer tube. If you have that option. I broke one of mine, but superglue worked great fixing it.

Just need to take your time.

I also pushed out the caddy center cap in front of the radar rather than tape that off.