any reliable info on the powertrain?

It looks like the magazines are starting to place the HP closer to 350 instead of 400.

GM still has an issue with the stigma of the gaz guzzler tax. So maybe they are compromising to get better fuel economy and avoid the tax.

Originally posted by HotRodSaint
It looks like the magazines are starting to place the HP closer to 350 instead of 400.

GM still has an issue with the stigma of the gaz guzzler tax. So maybe they are compromising to get better fuel economy and avoid the tax.
funny thing is that z06 vettes get better gas mileage than our cads. i think figure is somewhere around 18/28

yeah but you carry more things in the Cad. Lets see one sexy blond babe next to me or the Texas Bikini Team next and behind me? Thats a tough one :D

what i'm saying is that gas guzzling tax wouldn't apply to either ls6 or ls1

GM North America President Gary Cowger said it would have 400hp at the Detroit autoshow.

Here's a video. Long, but quite interesting. Click on the 3rd dot to scroll to the part about the CTSv.
http://webevents.broadcast.com/gm/cadillac2003

Ahh. GM always seems to cut back on the horsepower at the last minute.. The Z06 gets better gas mileage because of weight. Right? It only ways about 3100 pounds...

Originally posted by Sal Collaziano
Ahh. GM always seems to cut back on the horsepower at the last minute.. The Z06 gets better gas mileage because of weight. Right? It only ways about 3100 pounds...

i'm sure cts isn't that far off from cts. I'm guessing within 300lbs. I did hear few ppl making comments that vettes aren't being pushed any harder because they don't want to pay gas guzzler's tax.

This weeks Autoweek is still claiming 400hp for the CTS. They also claim 340hp for the GTO. I'm thinking that GM may want the Caddy to have a higher HP output than the GTO.

i hope that figure holds true. That will be awesome seeing these monsters out on the road beating all the performance euro and japanese contenders.
Shoot you only need an ls1 vette to beat the m3 so with the ls6 in cts you should be able to kill it and still have some room left.

Originally posted by Devil_concours
Shoot you only need an ls1 vette to beat the m3 so with the ls6 in cts you should be able to kill it and still have some room left.

And some money too! ;)

I think i may check out the ctsv when it comes out. I love the ligenfelter twin turbo 427 vette. 0-60 in 1.97 sec... having the thoughts of sending the cts to ligenfelter is too good to be true.

Maybe I'll end up waiting on the STS and see what's doing with the CTS-v... If it has anywhere near 400 horsepower, I'd be very happy...

a source over at another caddy forum insists that it will be 350hp.

ZO6 - 3116lbs.
CTS - 3509lbs.
The weight difference, although significant, is not the reason for the gas mileage difference. Tuning and gearing is the difference. Cadillac learned and has NOT made the same mistake again with respect to the SRX. It will have gas mileage figures WAY above it's competition thanks to a SUPER-TALL final gear.

Anyway, getting back to CTSv performance. A new wrinkle has appeared in the story. It seams that certain GM exec's are getting interested in a new AWD drivetrain from Holden (the folks that brought us the new GTO base-car, the Monaro).
It seams that Holden has not only got a nice AWD Commadore platform, but also has an EXTREME performance version sedan that uses a Chevy race-prepped 427. GM is already talking production on that. So the possibilities are wide-open for virtually ANY drivetrain that Cadillac may want to dump into the CTSv (or possibly the nex gen Seville, er, STS)
I still think it's going to be the same basic drivetrain as the GTO initially.

Cadillac SHOULD get a 4WD car option going..

Otherwise.. I've been hearing that the 350hp figure is just a rumor - but, I believe it.. Hopefully, we get the 400hp we've been hearing...

if the CTS comes out with the same basic drivetrain as the GTO im gonna be pissed...then ill just be screwed and will not know what to buy when my lease is up

it will be very interesting when the gto comes out. It will be compared to all the cars including gm's other cars for handling performance which it is suppose to be VERY good at.

Originally posted by Devil_concours
it will be very interesting when the gto comes out. It will be compared to all the cars including gm's other cars for handling performance which it is suppose to be VERY good at.


i really dont want to go off on a tangent so ill keep this short...why does pontiac think it can sell the GTO when it couldnt sell the Firebird..arent these cars very similar.

But to get back to cadillac...to me the CTS-V needs 350hp minimum

Originally posted by Brett
But to get back to cadillac...to me the CTS-V needs 350hp minimum

If Cadillac's intended target audience is potential M5 buyers, then it needs a minimum of 394HP.

Originally posted by HotRodSaint
If Cadillac's intended target audience is potential M5 buyers, then it needs a minimum of 394HP.


ctsv's target audience is potential m3 buyers
stsv's job is to get the m5 buyers

Originally posted by Devil_concours
ctsv's target audience is potential m3 buyers
stsv's job is to get the m5 buyers

here is one of the problems of comparing BMW and cadillac, they just compare strangely...the CTS may price around the 3-series but it is the size of the 5-series so the CTS-v would better compete against M5...the M3 better competes with the corvette...and before you guys jump on me about the corvette being the great american sports car check the stats the M3 and corvette are very comparable...of course the Corvette is better:D...the STS should really be taking a shot at the S-class and 7-Series

Originally posted by Brett
here is one of the problems of comparing BMW and cadillac, they just compare strangely...the CTS may price around the 3-series but it is the size of the 5-series so the CTS-v would better compete against M5...the M3 better competes with the corvette...and before you guys jump on me about the corvette being the great american sports car check the stats the M3 and corvette are very comparable...of course the Corvette is better:D...the STS should really be taking a shot at the S-class and 7-Series

here is how this should be compared
cts technically is a midsize sedan. However, cadillac uses cts as a direct competition to the 3 series (handling capability targeted directly for the 3 series). For the size most bmw is small for the class that it's competiting in.

CTS as an entry level luxury car competes directly with 3 series(bmw's entry level car). STS competes directly with 5 series as midsize luxury car and dts comeptes directly with 7 series as the full szie luxury.

This doesn't just apply to bmw v cadillac it's more like bmw vs all.

like i said, they dont really compare all that well, by saying the DTS competes with S and 7 you are basically saying Cadillac does not compete with S and 7...i like the DTS but they are nowhere close to those cars

im not disagreeing with you about CTS and 3-series, i just dont think that cadillac and BMW compare all that well

3-series/CTS
M3/Corvette
5-series/sts
M5/CTS-V?
7-series/no real competitor

i guess thats how i see it...just one mans opinion...but i know im right dammit:)

Originally posted by Brett
like i said, they dont really compare all that well, by saying the DTS competes with S and 7 you are basically saying Cadillac does not compete with S and 7...i like the DTS but they are nowhere close to those cars

they are in the same class. Only thing that sets german counterparts apart from our deville is the price. That's why cadillac needs to step up and get into ultra luxury with sixteen concept and bring cadillac brand name up one level and improve in terms of quality in every model.

Originally posted by Brett
im not disagreeing with you about CTS and 3-series, i just dont think that cadillac and BMW compare all that well

3-series/CTS
M3/Corvette
5-series/sts
M5/CTS-V?
7-series/no real competitor

i guess thats how i see it...just one mans opinion...but i know im right dammit:)

m3's only competition is audi s4/rs4.

m3 wasn't meant to be a sports car.

"m3 wasn't meant to be a sports car"

maybe not but when it came out all the mags did head to head with vette and M3 and it won car and drivers best handling car in the world title a few years ago...it may not be meant to be an american sports car but it was meant to be a BMW sports car

Originally posted by Brett
"m3 wasn't meant to be a sports car"

maybe not but when it came out all the mags did head to head with vette and M3 and it won car and drivers best handling car in the world title a few years ago...it may not be meant to be an american sports car but it was meant to be a BMW sports car

and this same magazine declare m3 as the winner because it had backseats when vette killed both m3 and boxster in every category of test that they performed.
M3 gets compare to vette and boxster because of its capabilities. It's not a sports car it wasn't meant to be. It's just that m3 can beat most of sports cars that are out in the market currently

Originally posted by Devil_concours
and this same magazine declare m3 as the winner because it had backseats when vette killed both m3 and boxster in every category of test that they performed.
M3 gets compare to vette and boxster because of its capabilities. It's not a sports car it wasn't meant to be. It's just that m3 can beat most of sports cars that are out in the market currently

i think it actually won because car and driver cant have a bmw lose anything...but we're gonna have to agree to disagree on this one, if the M3 is not a sports car i dont know what is...BMW's site has the Vette as the first comparison car in the dropdown menu for "M3 Competitors"...the car has an optional trans that is essentially the gearbox F1 uses...im not sure what your criteria is for something being a sports car but the 911 has a back seat as well

Originally posted by Brett
i think it actually won because car and driver cant have a bmw lose anything...but we're gonna have to agree to disagree on this one, if the M3 is not a sports car i dont know what is...BMW's site has the Vette as the first comparison car in the dropdown menu for "M3 Competitors"...the car has an optional trans that is essentially the gearbox F1 uses...im not sure what your criteria is for something being a sports car but the 911 has a back seat as well

Traditional lines are certainly getting blurred.

(Quick, anyone know why that new VW isn't really a Phaeton?)

I think it's a stretch to call the M3 a sports car. It is certainly a Sports Coupe.

The 911 rear seat is more like a jump seat. And no one would consider it a 2+2.

There is no Coupe's (or Sedans) that can compete with the M3. Unless you want to include the Mustang Cobra. So they have to go up against all the other 'driver' oriented car's.

Originally posted by HotRodSaint
Traditional lines are certainly getting blurred.

(Quick, anyone know why that new VW isn't really a Phaeton?)

I think it's a stretch to call the M3 a sports car. It is certainly a Sports Coupe.

The 911 rear seat is more like a jump seat. And no one would consider it a 2+2.

There is no Coupe's (or Sedans) that can compete with the M3. Unless you want to include the Mustang Cobra. So they have to go up against all the other 'driver' oriented car's.

i guess you missed my post about audi rs4. Maybe not in here in us but m3 does have a direct competitor in europe.

Originally posted by Brett
i really dont want to go off on a tangent so ill keep this short...why does pontiac think it can sell the GTO when it couldnt sell the Firebird..arent these cars very similar.

Heh... Same drivetrain... and thats about it.

Couldnt sell the firebird???

Maybe if they actually advertised it they would have sold.

Originally posted by Nagash01WS6
Heh... Same drivetrain... and thats about it.

Couldnt sell the firebird???

Maybe if they actually advertised it they would have sold.

i don't think advertisement was an issue because mustang wasn't advertised just as much as the firebird. It just lost market share and gm made a decision as a business/company. Just as Australians have a different taste in cars as us, new GTO is going to be a different dog than firebird.

Originally posted by Devil_concours
what i'm saying is that gas guzzling tax wouldn't apply to either ls6 or ls1

The way the gas guzzler is avoided in the
Corvettes is via a skip shift mechanism in the 6
speed manual. Below 2000 RPMs, you shift
from 1st to 4th. The stick has a tall 6th gear
for low RPM high mileage highway cruising.

Originally posted by HotRodSaint
If Cadillac's intended target audience is potential M5 buyers, then it needs a minimum of 394HP.

Doesn't the M5 weigh almost 500lbs more than
a CTS? I guess HP numbers are used like
GHz numbers for computers. People like
one easy number to compare things when
actually it does not tell the whole story.

Originally posted by peccles
I guess HP numbers are used like
GHz numbers for computers. People like
one easy number to compare things when
actually it does not tell the whole story.

First, I would assume that stuffing a V8 into a 6 cylinder car, will increase it's weight. It certainly won't make it lighter.

Second, until we have that V8 car that has been properly weighed in and tested in the 0-60, 1/4 mile and slalom, then HP is about all we can focus on right now.

Welcome to the board. Please try not to start any flame war's in this section. And certainly not with me. ;)

To all,
Her is the link to todya's Detroit News and a complete write-up about the new 3.6L V-6 engine. It seems to be destined for many uses incl. the CTS:

http://www.detnews.com/2003/insiders/0304/01/insider-124694.htm

Enjoy. This has to suffice until an honest to goodness V-8 is available in late of this year.

GordonB

This is easier:
http://www.detnews.com/2003/insiders/0304/01/insider-124694.htm

from article:

a 370 hp ......V6??? turbo ? or does the family include V8s??

Originally posted by Chuck C
from article:

a 370 hp ......V6??? turbo ? or does the family include V8s??


"This global engine will come in displacements ranging from 2.8 to 3.6 litres and be both naturally aspirated and turbocharged. "

I owuld say that the turbo would make 370hp. If and when it is ever produced.

Who would want a turbo V6 over a natural V8? By the time the 370hp high-feature V6 hits the streets the Chevy smallblock will be putting down four and a quarter in modest tune.

.Jinx

Originally posted by Jinx
Who would want a turbo V6 over a natural V8? By the time the 370hp high-feature V6 hits the streets the Chevy smallblock will be putting down four and a quarter in modest tune.

.Jinx

I think the key word is GLOBAL.

In markets where gas ain't as cheap as the USofA, a turbo V6 would be a better performance alternative than a V8.

i would love a turbo v6

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Blast from the past anyone?

After the 09 V speculation thread, this was kind of a fun read. Go to the last page of this forum, and it gets even better.

way to confuse me dude... You were all wrong!

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Blast from the past anyone?

After the 09 V speculation thread, this was kind of a fun read. Go to the last page of this forum, and it gets even better.

lol, just read a couple on the first page...kinda funny

'sneak peak at cts-v race car' :thumbsup: lol