: combustion gas test turned yellow



Talamant3z
05-17-09, 03:16 PM
ok guys heres the backround info. car never had an issue always ran fine at around 205ish well now summer has hit i been running 215 to 235. i got the loaner test from autozone and it didnt have some instructions so i guessed on it. so what i did was put the tube on the radiator reservoir turned the car on and at first it would bubble a little. i waited liked a minute and the coolant started to gush out. as it gushed out the clear liquid turned yellowish see pic below. so i ran to turn the car off and move the tube and coolant still gushed out for about a good 30sec. now if i did the test right then that means i have hg issues right? if so how long till they go? like i said before the temp gets to 230ish and drops right away to 215 (the middle). any tips to keep it going before the hg goes. any help would be greatly appreciated i love the car but im not going to dump all that money into it

http://i39.tinypic.com/1zqq5i1.jpg

Talamant3z
05-17-09, 03:44 PM
i been doing some reading in other threads and it seems a good number of the people who fail the test are loosing coolant. i am not dont know if that matters

aso car is base 1997 eldo with 164xxx miles

Ranger
05-17-09, 04:28 PM
It will slowly get worse. You may be able to drive it like this for a year if you don't push it hard. Eventually it will get hotter and start to overflow to the point of being undriveable.

Talamant3z
05-17-09, 04:45 PM
It will slowly get worse. You may be able to drive it like this for a year if you don't push it hard. Eventually it will get hotter and start to overflow to the point of being undriveable.

damn when i went to take the loaner tools back it hit 247 when i was in idle. i didnt re fell the coolant tank after i did the test so could that cause it to get that hot? i bought some more but i havent put it in whats the right way to add new coolant

Talamant3z
05-17-09, 08:03 PM
ranger i was thinking and i think i did the test wrong i think coolant got into the tube.i know i might be in denial but when i started the test i filled the tube to the first line circled with clear liquid. well i didnt know how to fo the test so i guessed. with the car off i put the tube into the
reservoir then went to turn the car on. like i said it would bubble a little. then after maybe 2 mins the coolant gushed out. could the coolant have gotten in the tube which cause it to be so full and look yellow? i replaced the coolant lost (which was almost a gallon) and the car runs colder now than before. its running 208 220 in idle. like i said i know i might be in denial (because i love the eldo so much haha) but when the test is preformed does it full up with that much "extra" liquid?

http://i43.tinypic.com/4j1b0g.jpg

Ranger
05-17-09, 08:46 PM
i didnt re fell the coolant tank after i did the test so could that cause it to get that hot?
Very possible.


whats the right way to add new coolant
Fill the surge tank to the 1/2 point and cap it up. Check it after running a bit. If it needs a top off, let it cool and then top off.

I have never used one of those testers so I don't know how to use it , but I believe you are only supposed to suck in air from the surge tank and pass it through the solution which would explain the bubbles as I learned last night from Northstar. Not sure what coolant would do to it. I'd retest it.

zonie77
05-17-09, 09:20 PM
it seems a good number of the people who fail the test are loosing coolant. i am not dont know if that matters



You are losing coolant. It came out of the surge tank while you were doing the test.

It takes exhaust gas to turn it yellow, not coolant, sounds like the HG's are gone. Sorry

Talamant3z
05-17-09, 09:30 PM
Very possible.


Fill the surge tank to the 1/2 point and cap it up. Check it after running a bit. If it needs a top off, let it cool and then top off.

I have never used one of those testers so I don't know how to use it , but I believe you are only supposed to suck in air from the surge tank and pass it through the solution which would explain the bubbles as I learned last night from Northstar. Not sure what coolant would do to it. I'd retest it.
i will its free will u have to pay but they give the money when u return the product

You are losing coolant. It came out of the surge tank while you were doing the test.

It takes exhaust gas to turn it yellow, not coolant, sounds like the HG's are gone. Sorry
thats just it i am not loosing coolant. it only came out because the pressured bulit up with no radiator cap on it can only go one way and thats out right? but my car never looses coolant

Ranger
05-17-09, 10:13 PM
When the cap is off there is NO pressure, but the boiling temp drops to 212. With the cap on (15 psi), the boiling temp rises to 265. You can't run more than maybe 5 min. (max) with the cap off before it will boil and overflow.

Talamant3z
05-17-09, 10:15 PM
When the cap is off there is NO pressure, but the boiling temp drops to 212. With the cap on (15 psi), the boiling temp rises to 265. You can't run more than maybe 5 min. (max) with the cap off before it will boil and overflow.

yeah thats what i ment it boiled over and came out.

jeffrsmith
05-17-09, 10:35 PM
The extra came from when your car boiled over, unfortunately it didn't really boil over, the antifreeze was being displaced by exhaust gases. The exhaust gases are what causes the liquid to turn yellow.

Bottom line - you need to be thinking about replacing the HGs probably sooner rather than later.

Talamant3z
05-17-09, 11:17 PM
The extra came from when your car boiled over, unfortunately it didn't really boil over, the antifreeze was being displaced by exhaust gases. The exhaust gases are what causes the liquid to turn yellow.

Bottom line - you need to be thinking about replacing the HGs probably sooner rather than later.

ok i understand that the yellow means that they are bad but where did all the extra liquid come from? i think when the coolant came gushing out some gushed into the tube because up until that point the cars coolant came out the liquid was clear. or is it normal for extra liquid so show up in the tube?

zonie77
05-18-09, 12:43 AM
You aren't getting extra coolant, the combustion gases are pushing it out.

tateos
05-18-09, 04:40 PM
jeffrsmith and zonie are correct. The question you need to ask yourself is: is the car worth the repair? It is a '97 with 164K miles on it. How is the body, the interior, the rest of the mechanicals? How much do you like the car? Do you want to keep it for 2-3+ more years? That will help you decide whether to repair it or have it repaired.

Talamant3z
05-18-09, 05:25 PM
You aren't getting extra coolant, the combustion gases are pushing it out.

ok so say the hg where good no issues. how long with the radiator cap could the car run and the coolant not gush out? because my car doesnt loose coolant it just came out when i had the cap off performing the test. so what you telling me is on a normal good running car no coolant will come out the tank while the car is on?

Talamant3z
05-18-09, 05:29 PM
jeffrsmith and zonie are correct. The question you need to ask yourself is: is the car worth the repair? It is a '97 with 164K miles on it. How is the body, the interior, the rest of the mechanicals? How much do you like the car? Do you want to keep it for 2-3+ more years? That will help you decide whether to repair it or have it repaired.

its in good shape but i would dump 3g on a 12 year old car

Ranger
05-18-09, 08:22 PM
ok so say the hg where good no issues. how long with the radiator cap could the car run and the coolant not gush out? because my car doesnt loose coolant it just came out when i had the cap off performing the test. so what you telling me is on a normal good running car no coolant will come out the tank while the car is on?

You can run the engine till the coolant reaches 212 degrees. Then it will overflow. Probably less than 5 minutes on a "normal good running car".

Talamant3z
05-18-09, 08:35 PM
You can run the engine till the coolant reaches 212 degrees. Then it will overflow. Probably less than 5 minutes on a "normal good running car".

so even on a good running car the coolant will come out then right? because he says that mine is gushing out because of exhaust gases.

Talamant3z
05-18-09, 08:39 PM
ok well i just went outside and i had drove for 30mins and put a white napkin under the over flow hose and it has one drop. im going to wait longer and see but so far one drop

Ranger
05-18-09, 09:03 PM
so even on a good running car the coolant will come out then right? because he says that mine is gushing out because of exhaust gases.
Yes, coolant heats up, expands and then boils out the top in a few minutes. If it is because of the head gaskets, it will "boil" out even when it is cold. That is from exhaust gases being pumped into the cooling system, displacing the coolant and pushing the coolant out. It is known as "false boiling".

Talamant3z
05-18-09, 09:25 PM
Yes, coolant heats up, expands and then boils out the top in a few minutes. If it is because of the head gaskets, it will "boil" out even when it is cold. That is from exhaust gases being pumped into the cooling system, displacing the coolant and pushing the coolant out. It is known as "false boiling".

yeah mine didnt when i did the test i held the tube in the tank for a good 5 min. before it gushed out. also its its hg issues will coolant come out the overflow hose?

Talamant3z
05-18-09, 09:29 PM
also when it boils out when cold does that mean at start up with the cap off it will gush out? because mine didnt it took some time and when it came out that sh!t was hot haha

Ranger
05-18-09, 09:56 PM
also its its hg issues will coolant come out the overflow hose?
Eventually, yes.


also when it boils out when cold does that mean at start up with the cap off it will gush out?
Yes


because mine didnt it took some time and when it came out that sh!t was hot haha
That is normal.