: Automat Kalashnikov

07-09-04, 03:05 PM
I saw a documentary on Mikhail Kalashnikov and his rifle yesterday on the Sundance movie channel, the producers (who just happened to be German) went to his home in the Urals interviewing him, to Afganistan and tagged along with the famed Mujaheddin guerillas and in Los Angeles - doing a few takes about the shoot out that happened in N. LA and then going to the streets, interviewing cops and gang members. They also compare rifles too. M16 vs AK (in the beginning)

Its a good documentary. Truthful too. Mikahil wants to be remembered for creating a weapon that defends his country...not for what his weapon has done otherwise.


Dead Sled
07-09-04, 11:54 PM
AK's and all the variants are outstanding weapons and they are fun to shoot.

if guns cause crime, pencils cause misspelled words

07-10-04, 02:31 AM
I held one at a gun show in the early '90's, very heavy, but then my FN-FAL was no plastic fantastic light weight either. :p How come no one ever mentions the updated (and I thought) improved AK-74? The power of the cartridge is supposedly equivalent to a 30-30 Winchester, and in my opinion better than the American M16, or the Canadian variant (modded for cold-weather fighting) C7A1.

Remember, banana clip=evil
straight clip=good :D


07-10-04, 10:16 AM
Ive liked the 74 over the 47, looks a lot better in black if i may say. Has more range, better muzzle braking... but does it have that AK hit power still? ie. Goes through tree's....:halo:

You: Dude toss me a banana! Him: A WHAT?? *gunfire in the background*

Err, i meant a magazine!

07-10-04, 12:56 PM
Is it just me, or are AK's usually associated with "the bad guys"? Even in Counter Strike, the terrorists have the option for the AK, but the counter terrorists don't!

07-10-04, 02:16 PM
well, the AK rifles were always cheaper than the M-16 , which is why there are so many of them. That's not to say that they're bad rifles, but they just aren't up to the effectiveness of M-16.
The M-16 also got an upgrade (like the ak47 got upgrade to ak74) and the new M-16 is called the M4, its smaller i think, anyways it looks a lot cooler than the m16 and it has the grenade launched built in:


07-10-04, 04:28 PM
Theres still an M-16 , but the new model from the same "line" is the M4 and M4A1 and A2 which is technically a carbine and/or assault version of the M-16, smaller size, higher rate of fire... more for close combat type. For the M-16, theres now the A3 and A4 versions.

If its easier to compare, the M1 Garand would be the M16 today, the M1 Carbine would be the M4 today.

That combo there looks like the M4 with an M203 40mm grenade launcher.