When it comes to wild and ridiculous stories on the Internet, the GT-R is the gift that keeps on giving. I already posted a thread about the $2,000 transmission fluid service (http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/cadillac-forums-lounge-member-introductions/165665-routine-gt-r-service-thatll-about.html), but this latest development is even better.

Everyone has heard the stories of Nissan denying warranty claims on transmissions for turning off the VDC system, but now they've updated their "blacklist" of activities that void your ENTIRE warranty (not just the drivetrain) for things such as driving in any competitive event, track or airstrip, unplugging any electronics, having the car serviced anywhere except a GT-R certified Dealer, and even dynoing the car.

Here's just a snippet from the completely fun-destroying, "Don't you dare drive this car in an entertaining manner" memo from Nissan:



Exclusions and Limitations to Manufacturers Warranty


Please read your GT-R Warranty Information Booklet carefully. The Nissan GT-R warranty provides you with extensive coverage when the vehicle is operated in accordance with the Owner's Manual. The warranty includes a number of other specific conditions, exclusions and limitations, which include (but are not limited to) exclusions due to failures resulting from:

Racing, competitive driving of any sort and/or any use on a track or airstrip, or otherwise not operating or maintaining the vehicle as set out in the Owner's Manual and Service and Maintenance Guide;

Operating the vehicle with the Vehicle Dynamic Control (VDC) off, except when rocking vehicle when stuck in mud or snow;

Not adhering to the service and maintenance requirements set out in the Nissan GT-R Owner's Manual and the Service and Maintenance Guide, including failures resulting from the use of non-Genuine Nissan Parts or required or recommended fluids;

Improper repairs or services rendered at facilities other than Nissan Certified GT-R dealerships;

Failing to have the Performance Optimization Services completed in a timely manner;

Genuine Nissan Parts not intended for use on the GT-R, including NISMO parts not specifically designed and manufactured for application to the GT-R, or any non-Genuine Nissan Parts;

Replacing a GT-R special specification part with a non-GT-R special specification part (see GT-R Owner's Manual for the list of GT-R special specification parts);

Operating the GT-R on a dynamometer, except a dynamometer test performed to comply with applicable local law for emissions testing.

Additionally, some modifications will VOID your GT-R New Vehicle Limited Warranty Coverage. Read your warranty information booklet carefully for specific details of all terms, conditions, limitations and exclusions.

Important: Additional Exclusion and Warranty Voiding

Damage to the powertrain, or any drivetrain component(s) that occurs when there is a record in the Vehicle System Data Recorder (VSDR) that the vehicle was driven with the VDC off during the period when the damage was incurred is excluded from coverage under this warranty.

Adding, replacing, reprogramming, attempting to reprogram, altering or disconnecting any computer, control unit, or electronic module or deleting any or all stored information in any computer, control unit, or electronic module, or denying access to any data or information stored in any computer, control unit, or electronic module VOIDS ALL COVERAGE under the 2010 Nissan GT-R New Vehicle Limited Warranty. Such actions are also "misuse" and "tampering" as those terms are used under "What Is Not Covered" in the warranty. See your Owners Manual for additional important information and related warnings


Full document available to read HERE (http://jalopnik.com/5201918/2010-gt+r-warranty-voided-for-denying-nissan-access-to-your-black-box-data)

The GT-R is officially the worst car to own. Period.

Not saying it wouldn't be fun to drive, due to the ocean of bull that comes with it, I'd never own one.

It's like buying an EA game.

How do these sell?

Transmission failures, expensive upkeep, ugly as sin, and a novel's worth of fine print to sign off on before purchase...

The other day I saw my first GT-R in the flesh; it's just as ugly as in the pictures.

Well now that takes all the fun out of the car. Good news is the resale should go down the crapper so we should be able to pick up a used one for one hell of a price :D

Just more FAIL.














It's amazing how much I disdain the GT-R but love the new 370Z. Probably because the Z is a pure sports car without all the bull...

Its for shit like this that I wish you could sign away a warranty for a discount. What is it really worth on a car like this? Seriously -you may as well not bother. Breakdown nowhere near a "Nissan-Certified GT-R Dealership"? There goes your warranty. Have the oil changed at your local mechanic? There goes the warranty. Miss a service 'cause you're on holiday? There goes the warranty.

That said, if they say you dyno'd it, how are they to tell it wasn't done for emissions? They're not too delicate doing those tests, ya know; last time my 'Vette had it something went pear-shaped and smoke started pouring out from under the hood. Mechanic ignored it and carried on with the test. It was just a mild oil leak from an old gasket, but, seriously? At least they changed that law and the 'Vette is now too old for emissions, but a GT-R is not.

The fail is growing with this car

but love the new 370Z. Probably because the Z is a pure sports car without all the bull...

pure sports cars dont have automatic syncro rev matching (or whatever they call it)


oh, and OP; I am pretty every car on sale in the US lists competitive driving to null and void your warranty

How do these sell?
I would say not so good. The dealer directly at the end of my street received two of them. One was sold, but he drove it himself for a month before delivery (basically drove it himself before blackbox activation), and the second has been on and off the lawn for 6 mos on nice days.


Just more FAIL.
It's amazing how much I disdain the GT-R but love the new 370Z. Probably because the Z is a pure sports car without all the bull...The ONLY thing I like about the GT-R is the killer cockpit style roofline and windows seen from a side angle. I must say that the 370 premium wheels are really growing on me. Hate the catfish face though.


Its for shit like this that I wish you could sign away a warranty for a discount.
Really good point!

In before the GTR nut swingers.

The vision and concept behind the car is quite amazing, IMHO, but when the manufacturer places these kinds of restrictions on its use, it's called a sham ... a joke ... a scam ...

when the manufacturer places these kinds of restrictions on its use, it's called a sham ... a joke ... a scam ...Not just a sham... A...
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_dlAF3C8MtQU/Safrs-X5V8I/AAAAAAAAAh0/5PQaq9ZfEd0/s400/shamwow.jpg

When I was watching the Top Gear episode when they went to Japan and testing the GT-R it was able to tell, by GPS, whether it was at a track or not. If it detected you were on regular roads it had a speed limiter activated. When you got to a track the speed limiter was taken off. So basically Nissan encourages you to take it to a safe location to put the car through its paces but if you do that your warranty is void. WTF?

Read the fine print of any owner's manual, you will find something that states the warranty does not cover competition or commercial use. I don't think Nissan is being unreasonable here. If you want a really fast car to use on the street, you are covered. If you want to race it and something breaks, you are on your own. These high performance vehicles are NOT sold as race cars. That's the way it has always been, that's the way it will always be.

Well this makes my insides tingle


VIDEO: Hennessey GTR700 rips 2.8s 0-60 with launch control off

by Drew Phillips on Apr 8th 2009 at 10:30AM

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/04/hennessey_gtr700_lead.jpg
Click above to watch a video of the Hennessey GTR700 run the 1/4 mile after the jump

You name it and John Hennessey will make it faster. From Vipers to Vettes to Challengers, Hennessey Performance will take competent sports cars and make them into tire-shredding speed demons with more horsepower than any street-going vehicle should ever logically have. The latest creation to come from the Texas tuner is the GTR700 based on the Nissan GT-R. The upgraded Godzilla now sports 715 horsepower and 662 lb-ft torque thanks to numerous modifications including a stainless steel exhaust system, new ECU programming, modified turbos with larger compressor wheels, 100mm cold air intake, high-flow fuel injectors, transmission cooler, clutch pack upgrades, and more. The result is stupefying. Sixty mph comes up in just 2.8 seconds, 100 mph in 6.7 seconds and 150 mph in 14.5 seconds. Compared to a stock GT-R, the GTR700 reaches 186 mph in less than half the time. Someone needs to take this thing to the Nurburgring. Hit the jump to watch the Hennessey GTR700 hit a full 1.0g during acceleration on its way to a 10.87 sec @ 132 mph quarter mile run.

YouTube - Hennessey GTR700: 10.87 @ 132 mph No Launch Control

YouTube - 2009 Nissan GTR: 0-300 km/h in 24.79 sec.

Read the fine print of any owner's manual, you will find something that states the warranty does not cover competition or commercial use. I don't think Nissan is being unreasonable here. If you want a really fast car to use on the street, you are covered. If you want to race it and something breaks, you are on your own. These high performance vehicles are NOT sold as race cars. That's the way it has always been, that's the way it will always be.

Tis true but since it's a GT-R now it's a big deal. I'm sure if you show up to your Chevy dealership with a blown transmission because you went to the track I'm sure Chevy will still honor their warranty.:nono:

And that package cost how much?

about $20,000 dollars. nearly $25,000 installed.

And installing it probably voids your warrenty. :histeric:

And that package cost how much?

about $20,000 dollars. nearly $25,000 installed.

And installing it probably voids your warrenty. :histeric:
I'm sure it does..............just like every other car under the sun. If you have the money to buy a GT-R you have the money to modify it. I don't think too many people aren't going to buy a Ferrari or Lamborghini because it doesn't get good gas mileage or because it costs $20k+ for maintenance intervals

Tis true but since it's a GT-R now it's a big deal. I'm sure if you show up to your Chevy dealership with a blown transmission because you went to the track I'm sure Chevy will still honor their warranty.:nono:

The difference is that Chevy doesn't plug in to your PCM and look to see if the Traction Control was turned off, then void your warranty. If given reason to go digging, Dealers are instructed to look for aftermarket PCM calibrations, many of which are poorly written and are a justifiable reason to void a drivetrain warranty, but they won't blanket dissolve a warranty for something as simple as disabling stabilitrak.

I know plenty of guys who have blown up transmissions, diffs, motor mounts, and many other parts at the track. They clean off the numbers, tow it in to their local Chevy Dealer and have the parts replaced under warranty- all without Chevy digging into their PCM and voiding their warranty because they turned off TC (or dynod it, or changed the oil somewhere else, or put Amsoil in the trans, etc, etc......)

pure sports cars dont have automatic syncro rev matching (or whatever they call it)


oh, and OP; I am pretty every car on sale in the US lists competitive driving to null and void your warranty
Since the V's pedals are poorly placed for heel and toe, I'd gladly take the Synchro rev-match transmission anyday...

Go drive a pure MR2 and its 110hp...

Unfortunately this is the way most manufacturers of -real- performance vehicles are going these days. With economics being what they are, the ever increasing cost of ever advancing parts technologies, as well as the advancements in the technologies that allows them to MONITOR how all of those various parts are being USED, manufacturers are tightening down their belts on Warranty claims. Obviously, a transmission in a Chevy anything doesn't cost more than most ENTIRE Chevrolet cars. This protects the manufacturer from becoming responsible for outright abuse on such outlandishly expensive custom parts.

With that being said, GM hasn't tightened down the warranty to quite this extent on the ZR1, but if they can find an out by the vehicle being "abused" when it comes in for a warranty claim, they most certainly will take advantage of it.

Nissan hasn't been a player in the TRUE exotic, or even NEAR exotic performance category in decades, if not EVER. I can see why they are a little skiddish their first time at bat. Keep in mind that most of the CLASSIC GT-Rs were turned into monsters via the aftermarket, with modifications so heavy they would have voided the warranty anyway. Keep in mind ALSO that at least for the first round of cars, they were selling them at a LOSS to begin with.

Someone mentioned earlier being able to "buy-down" the warranty. Well, in essence I think that is exactly what you've got here. Love it or hate it I think most would admit that this car is a bargain at its price-point for the power and capability it has on tap (especially considering the cost of the 911 it competes with). By skimming the warranty down to bare essential use coverage, they're able to keep the cost of entry low. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

Unfortunately this is the way most manufacturers of -real- performance vehicles are going these days. With economics being what they are, the ever increasing cost of ever advancing parts technologies, as well as the advancements in the technologies that allows them to MONITOR how all of those various parts are being USED, manufacturers are tightening down their belts on Warranty claims. Obviously, a transmission in a Chevy anything doesn't cost more than most ENTIRE Chevrolet cars. This protects the manufacturer from becoming responsible for outright abuse on such outlandishly expensive custom parts.

With that being said, GM hasn't tightened down the warranty to quite this extent on the ZR1, but if they can find an out by the vehicle being "abused" when it comes in for a warranty claim, they most certainly will take advantage of it.

Nissan hasn't been a player in the TRUE exotic, or even NEAR exotic performance category in decades, if not EVER. I can see why they are a little skiddish their first time at bat. Keep in mind that most of the CLASSIC GT-Rs were turned into monsters via the aftermarket, with modifications so heavy they would have voided the warranty anyway. Keep in mind ALSO that at least for the first round of cars, they were selling them at a LOSS to begin with.

Someone mentioned earlier being able to "buy-down" the warranty. Well, in essence I think that is exactly what you've got here. Love it or hate it I think most would admit that this car is a bargain at its price-point for the power and capability it has on tap (especially considering the cost of the 911 it competes with). By skimming the warranty down to bare essential use coverage, they're able to keep the cost of entry low. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
that's a lot of blibber blabber to say you dyno the friggin thing and buh-bye...


A joke.

Tis true but since it's a GT-R now it's a big deal. I'm sure if you show up to your Chevy dealership with a blown transmission because you went to the track I'm sure Chevy will still honor their warranty.:nono:

quite so; I am just pointing out what they are doing is perfectly within reason. if they didnt do this, how many rich kids would coming out of the woodwork with their race-broken GT-Rs crying to the dealer that the transmission failed? I doubt there are very many rich kids doing this in their Corvettes.

Since the V's pedals are poorly placed for heel and toe, I'd gladly take the Synchro rev-match transmission anyday...

Go drive a pure MR2 and its 110hp...

140bhp

that's a lot of blibber blabber to say you dyno the friggin thing and buh-bye...


A joke.

Allowning someone with a moustache to drive your GT-R will result in the warranty being void. :lol:

stray moustache hairs will interfere with the PS3 built into the dash?

I know plenty of guys who have blown up transmissions, diffs, motor mounts, and many other parts at the track. They clean off the numbers, tow it in to their local Chevy Dealer and have the parts replaced under warranty- all without Chevy digging into their PCM and voiding their warranty because they turned off TC (or dynod it, or changed the oil somewhere else, or put Amsoil in the trans, etc, etc......)Well maybe this is one of a long list of reasons as to why GM is where they're at now. If GM has no problem letting f-tards beat the crap out of their cars and then bring them in for warranty repairs and then they honor it then they deserve to be where they are. They SHOULD be digging into your PCM's so that as a company they won't be dropping money like it's their job. I haven't heard much of anything about the ZR-1's and if they're even out yet but once/if any problems start coming up on it it should be interesting to see as to how they handle it.

Well maybe this is one of a long list of reasons as to why GM is where they're at now. If GM has no problem letting f-tards beat the crap out of their cars and then bring them in for warranty repairs and then they honor it then they deserve to be where they are. They SHOULD be digging into your PCM's so that as a company they won't be dropping money like it's their job. I haven't heard much of anything about the ZR-1's and if they're even out yet but once/if any problems start coming up on it it should be interesting to see as to how they handle it.

That's easy to say when it's not your warranty they're voiding. Anyone who remotely considers themself an enthuusiast has turned off the TC or Stability Control on their car at least once, and would scream bloody murder if the factory used that as grounds to void their warranty.

Do you honestly believe that turning Stabilitrak off and hitting some twisty roads, chirping the tires on a few shifts and maybe peeling out from a stoplight or two is reason enough for an OEM to say "We no longer stand behind this product"? How about dynoing the car? Is strapping it to the rollers and running through the gears with a huge fan cooling the engine a justifiable reason for an OEM to say "Our transmission wasn't designed to be run to redline once, so now you're on your own"? Because that's what Nissan is doing.

All OEMs build more than enough into the price of their cars to cover the average warranty expense. Occasionally they lose on a car when it eats up a bunch of parts or gets driven hard and breaks some stuff, but the majority of the time they spend less on repairing the car than they built into the price. A few hundred diffs and transmissions have nothing to do with GM's monetary situation (unless you consider that for every guy they're paying to install a diff, there's 4 more sitting at home making 90% salary thanks to the "jobs bank").

that's a lot of blibber blabber to say you dyno the friggin thing and buh-bye...


A joke.

I don't condone what Nissan is doing nor do I even particularly like that video game of a car, however I can see the reasoning behind why they're doing it if I dig past the sensationalism of "omg can't dyno my car!" a little.

If you want to jump on the "let's find reasons to hate the GT-R" bandwagon be my guest, I think the drive-by-wire approach to the whole car is silly and it should have just had a plain-jane manual trans option to begin with. Most of these stupid threads wouldn't exist to begin with if they hadn't made the damn transmission out of gold-dust.

I make these threads when I see the opportunity to defuse some of the hyperbole that follows this car around in the media and forums. People act like this car is the most magical, amazing thing ever assembled (the "godzilla" nickname grinds my oats), so I just enjoy playing devil's advocate and pointing out that the streets in GT-R land are not all paved with candy and confetti.

I make these threads when I see the opportunity to defuse some of the hyperbole that follows this car around in the media and forums. People act like this car is the most magical, amazing thing ever assembled (the "godzilla" nickname grinds my oats), so I just enjoy playing devil's advocate and pointing out that the streets in GT-R land are not all paved with candy and confetti.

I honestly think alot of that died down after the initial release of the car. I also think some of the initial razzing of the car (ESPECIALLY the car's ring time scandal vs. Porsche) was absolutely justified. But I think overall the hype has mostly settled and it's a respected, but not loved car by anyone other than straight ricer-types.

For the money, a V2 is a much *much* better purchase. Actually, 30 grand less.

How about dynoing the car? Is strapping it to the rollers and running through the gears with a huge fan cooling the engine a justifiable reason for an OEM to say "Our transmission wasn't designed to be run to redline once, so now you're on your own"? Because that's what Nissan is doing.And I can't blame them for doing that because dyno'ing a car puts a lot of stress on parts so as an automaker I made a car that competes with Ferrari, Porsche, Lamborghini, aka the BIG boys and if you feel the need to then further beat the tar out of your car it's now my responsibility to fix it with no cost to you? It's one thing to stand by your product, it's another to go and blatently beat the crap out of your car and then try to act as if you drive just as carefully as grandma does. But at the end of the day you will have a hard on for this car no matter what it does. You can sit in it and it can cure AIDS, Cancer, etc and you will still find something to bitch and moan about the car

But at the end of the day you will have a hard on for this car no matter what it does. You can sit in it and it can cure AIDS, Cancer, etc and you will still find something to bitch and moan about the car

I haven't fabricated or exaggerated anything. The simple fact is that no other OEM who offers performance models (be it the M division, AMG, Mazdaspeed, V-Series, SVT, etc) denies their customers' warranty for such harmless actions like adding AmSoil to the trans, disabling the traction control, or running the car on a dyno. I hardly see how pointing out the ludicrous stipulations of NIssan's warranty can be considered "bitching and moaning", but whatever.

You and I both have a hard on for the car, but in completely opposite ways. Ain't life grand? :D

If the GT-R cured either AIDS or cancer I'd let its ugliness slide...

The GT-R is just different. It uses gobs of computers, tech, and unusual ideas to do what "Soviet 'Big Hammer'" theory does a lot more simply in a car like the Corvette. ZR-1 = Big V8 + Blower + glass-fibre-composite everything= Win. GT-R = V6 + Twin-Turbos + Computers + Gimmicky Trans + more computers + AWD =Win? The complexity is a downfall. Read about the first Imperials with computer-controlled injection. Most were retrofitted to carbs as a simpler way of sorting out the problems. Right now my own Corvette is being diagnosed for computer problems and problems from its own, nearly unique fuel injection system (another very early computerized injection system). Sooner or later this gimcrackery will sort itself out and these advancements will benefit many cars and be reliable.

The GT-R itself IS ugly, and the lack of a true manual transmission I feel is a huge disadvantage for the sportscar market. Many people who buy sportscars won't even consider an automatic. Hell, many people won't consider an automatic, period! Sure, things like double-clutch automated manuals will win on race-day, but they're not selling race cars, they're selling big toys, basically, and toys must be fun, first and foremost.

and the lack of a true manual transmission I feel is a huge disadvantage for the sportscar market. Many people who buy sportscars won't even consider an automatic.

If that's true, why is it so hard to find a manual transmission? You would be hard pressed to find a clutch-pedal in the econobox aisle these days. And every add I have seen for an 09V features "a quick shifting, 6-speed automatic."

No one wants manuals any more. DSG is the future (even if it is a bleak one)

If that's true, why is it so hard to find a manual transmission? You would be hard pressed to find a clutch-pedal in the econobox aisle these days. And every add I have seen for an 09V features "a quick shifting, 6-speed automatic."

No one wants manuals any more. DSG is the future (even if it is a bleak one)
Hell look no further then the exotics of today. The Veyron isn't a manual, the Ferrari's may have a manual option but it's all of those button shifts on the steering wheel and the same with Lambo. Manual's may make for a better feel from a drivers perspective but from a performance stand point when every little tenth of a second matters you need the fastest way possible of shifting into the next gear and no person can shift faster then a computer can hence why this is the way the performance cars are heading whether we like it or not

If the GT-R cured either AIDS or cancer I'd let its ugliness slide...

:snap:

I can't say I'm overly impressed with the aesthetics of the car. The first time I saw one parked on a lot I thought it was a 300 Z with a ricey body kit. :pwn:

Pair that with the whole "if you fart inside the car we'll void your warranty" position the company has taken, and you can keep your 80k "supercar."

Hell look no further then the exotics of today. The Veyron isn't a manual, the Ferrari's may have a manual option but it's all of those button shifts on the steering wheel and the same with Lambo. Manual's may make for a better feel from a drivers perspective but from a performance stand point when every little tenth of a second matters you need the fastest way possible of shifting into the next gear and no person can shift faster then a computer can hence why this is the way the performance cars are heading whether we like it or not
People are obsessed with 3 pedals. As long as these manumatic transmissions use clutches, they act as manuals...

If GM has no problem letting f-tards beat the crap out of their cars and then bring them in for warranty repairs and then they honor it then they deserve to be where they are. They SHOULD be digging into your PCM's so that as a company they won't be dropping money like it's their job. I haven't heard much of anything about the ZR-1's and if they're even out yet but once/if any problems start coming up on it it should be interesting to see as to how they handle it.dynoing or turning off the nannies is not beating the crap out of cars.and the ZR1 has been on the road for 6 months...

And I can't blame them for doing that because dyno'ing a car puts a lot of stress on parts so as an automaker I made a car that competes with Ferrari, Porsche, Lamborghini, aka the BIG boys and if you feel the need to then further beat the tar out of your car it's now my responsibility to fix it with no cost to you? It's one thing to stand by your product, it's another to go and blatently beat the crap out of your car and then try to act as if you drive just as carefully as grandma does. so now driving to redline is putting on a lot of stress? you bend over backwards to try to validate your points. stop and think. you sound even more stupid than Nissan.

People are obsessed with 3 pedals. As long as these manumatic transmissions use clutches, they act as manuals...

After I drove an SMG M3, my desire for a conventional manual just about went away.

After I drove an SMG M3, my desire for a conventional manual just about went away.
to reiterate, I love 3 pedals. I just also love 2 pedal manuals...

Fuggin Datsuns

People are obsessed with 3 pedals. As long as these manumatic transmissions use clutches, they act as manuals...

you must never have driven one in a parking lot, or God help you, tried to parallel park one

Manuals are a very unique and engaging driving experience, and they give you a lot of control over you're vehicle, as you're able to push it to limits that an automatic would deem stressful.

However, the days when manuals could always pull off a higher quarter and lap time then an auto are quickly coming to an end. Autos like Porsche's Tiptronic S and technologies like PAS are doing things that people would never have thought possible. Autos are shifting faster and more precisely then ever before, and they get faster everyday.

Autos used to be only more convenient, and in all other regards they were inferior to manuals. But soon will come the day that autos become superior (performance-wise) to manuals, and on that day the thing that saves the manual from extinction will be that invigorating feeling of control that comes with driving one.

dynoing or turning off the nannies is not beating the crap out of cars.and the ZR1 has been on the road for 6 months... lol since when!? If you honestly think that dyno'ing a car isn't putting a lot of stress on a car then you know zero about cars

so now driving to redline is putting on a lot of stress? you bend over backwards to try to validate your points. stop and think. you sound even more stupid than Nissan.Pot calling the kettle black. Nobody said driving to redline will void your warranty but doing what basically every car company under the sun does with their cars aka driving them at the track or road racing them then you void your warranty. Hell you of all people should know since you have a V1 CTS-V about the guy on here who blew his rear diff at the track and they voided his warranty because of it. So in other words, you guys REALLY need to get off of this cars nuts and stop nit picking over every little thing. IIRC if you don't use Mobil 1 oil in your Ferrari your warranty is voided but why aren't you all crying and bitching and moaning about that? Oh yeah, because it's not a GT-R! I'm sure if you bring your V2 CTS-V to the dealer with a smaller pulley and want to get your blower/engine covered under warranty because either one of them blew they would laugh you out of the place

my laughing point was the guy who welded his diff to the chassis then got upset because they wouldnt warranty it when it broke

This whole thread makes me feel privileged that I can do whatever I want to my car, and not having to worry about warranties. Mine expired when I was still in baby shoes. :D

Guys guys, you're not understanding the reason for the black box!






The black box is there so when the car breaks and the owner finds out how much it is to fix it out of warranty and then runs it off a pier into the ocean, the supra owners can hire a diver to find the pinging and salvage it for parts!

:devilheh::alchi:

^^ LOL. :alchi:

Hell look no further then the exotics of today. The Veyron isn't a manual, the Ferrari's may have a manual option but it's all of those button shifts on the steering wheel and the same with Lambo. Manual's may make for a better feel from a drivers perspective but from a performance stand point when every little tenth of a second matters you need the fastest way possible of shifting into the next gear and no person can shift faster then a computer can hence why this is the way the performance cars are heading whether we like it or notThe Lambos and Ferraris still have manuals available...

...then you know zero about cars

Pot calling the kettle black.Dude, you werent sure if the ZR1 was even on the road...and youre saying he "know(s) zero about cars"?

Ferrari will not void warranty if you dyno the car. They also won't void warranty if you use the Manettino switch...and this switch changes values in the trans, suspension, diff, and steering. Nissan is unreasonable with their warranty.

Manuals are a very unique and engaging driving experience, and they give you a lot of control over you're vehicle, as you're able to push it to limits that an automatic would deem stressful.

However, the days when manuals could always pull off a higher quarter and lap time then an auto are quickly coming to an end. Autos like Porsche's Tiptronic S and technologies like PAS are doing things that people would never have thought possible. Autos are shifting faster and more precisely then ever before, and they get faster everyday.

Autos used to be only more convenient, and in all other regards they were inferior to manuals. But soon will come the day that autos become superior (performance-wise) to manuals, and on that day the thing that saves the manual from extinction will be that invigorating feeling of control that comes with driving one. I know the V used an auto for its fast 'Ring run, but I really dont think auto's will ever replace manuals. Automated manuals might completely replace normal stick shift manuals, but I would think autos are going the way of the dodo bird.

Dude, you werent sure if the ZR1 was even on the road...and youre saying he "know(s) zero about cars"?

Ferrari will not void warranty if you dyno the car. They also won't void warranty if you use the Manettino switch...and this switch changes values in the trans, suspension, diff, and steering. Nissan is unreasonable with their warranty.

Exactly.

Comparing putting a smaller pulley on a CTS-V to turning off the traction control on a GT-R is apples and oranges. Concorso hit it right on the head.

I don't even remember posting that last night. That was me drunk after downing 8 beers and 3 Monster energy drinks with vodka

I don't even remember posting that last night. That was me drunk after downing 8 beers and 3 Monster energy drinks with vodka
then I will forgive you. color yourself blessed... :bouncy:

So did you all know you cannot dyno a Bugatti? :) Its true!

If I had a Veyron, I'd be too busy sorting through all the poon I was getting to take the car to a dyno.

If I had a Veyron, I'd be too busy sorting through all the poon I was getting to take the car to a dyno.


If I had a Veyron I'd be too busy trying to get a rematch with the Eurofighter :D

Hey Tooooooooony!!!:stirpot: just in case you didn't already know:thumbsup:

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/04/16/revised-nissan-gt-r-clocks-7-27-56-lap-time-at-the-nurburgring/

Revised Nissan GT-R clocks 7:27.56 lap time at the Nürburgring

by Noah Joseph on Apr 16th 2009 at 12:59PM
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2010 Nissan GT-R at the Nurburgring - Click above for a hi-res gallery

Enough is never enough. Not when you're talking supercars and Nürburgring lap times. As if enough jaws weren't dropped when Nissan posted their fantastic initial time of 7:29 around the vaunted Nordschleife (besting Porsche's best), the automaker's engineers went back to the garage looking for a little extra for 2010. They came back with a slightly updated version, with five extra horsepower and revised dual-clutch transmission with updated launch control, plus a bigger fuel tank, new tires and a retuned suspension. So what effect would these modifications have on the GT-R's 'Ring run? About a second and a half off the record, which now stands for the Japanese supercar at an awe-inspiring 7:27.56.

According to Nissan, the time was posted using a 2010 GT-R with the optional V-Spec wheels and tires, driven by former F1 tester Toshio Suzuki. Fantastic as that time is, it's still another second short of the Chevrolet Corvette ZR1's 7:26.4 (to say nothing of the Dodge Viper ACR's 7:22.1), so Nissan will be back at it. And without the dirt and dust which the Japanese team says was coating the track to impede its lap time, they figure they just might find enough extra speed to claim the record. Details in the press release after the jump.

http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/cadillac-forums-lounge-member-introductions/164380-reason-why-people-shouldnt-put-too.html

http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/cadillac-forums-lounge-member-introductions/164380-reason-why-people-shouldnt-put-too.html

lol:getaway:

:lol:

When it comes to wild and ridiculous stories on the Internet, the GT-R is the gift that keeps on giving. I already posted a thread about the $2,000 transmission fluid service (http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/cadillac-forums-lounge-member-introductions/165665-routine-gt-r-service-thatll-about.html), but this latest development is even better.

Everyone has heard the stories of Nissan denying warranty claims on transmissions for turning off the VDC system, but now they've updated their "blacklist" of activities that void your ENTIRE warranty (not just the drivetrain) for things such as driving in any competitive event, track or airstrip, unplugging any electronics, having the car serviced anywhere except a GT-R certified Dealer, and even dynoing the car.

Here's just a snippet from the completely fun-destroying, "Don't you dare drive this car in an entertaining manner" memo from Nissan:




Full document available to read HERE (http://jalopnik.com/5201918/2010-gt+r-warranty-voided-for-denying-nissan-access-to-your-black-box-data)

As a moderator for this forum, you show a lack of class. When do we gleefully report on other cars perceived trouble ? I own a Cadillac and a GTR . I will never own another Cadillac. I am 67 years old and this is my FIRST car from Japan. I have owned almost every exotic car on the planet. For you to bad mouth the GTR shows your ignorance of cars. I have drag raced and Auto crossed the GTR. And still have a warrenty. I don't have to mod the car ---stock it will out run any Cadillac or Z06 in stock form. Grow up. And for all you people that think the GTR is ugly--- How can you tell ? all you ever see are the tail lights.

LOL, it will not outrun a Z06

LOL, it will not outrun a Z06

Actually it can... a ZR1 on the otherhand is another story

As a moderator for this forum, you show a lack of class. When do we gleefully report on other cars perceived trouble ? I own a Cadillac and a GTR . I will never own another Cadillac. I am 67 years old and this is my FIRST car from Japan. I have owned almost every exotic car on the planet. For you to bad mouth the GTR shows your ignorance of cars. I have drag raced and Auto crossed the GTR. And still have a warrenty. I don't have to mod the car ---stock it will out run any Cadillac or Z06 in stock form. Grow up. And for all you people that think the GTR is ugly--- How can you tell ? all you ever see are the tail lights.

You like the GT-R, others don't. People have different opinions, it's part of life. No sense boiling your own blood over it.

These threads about what ever car is better then whatever car are getting awfully redundant.

As a moderator for this forum, you show a lack of class. When do we gleefully report on other cars perceived trouble ? I own a Cadillac and a GTR . I will never own another Cadillac. I am 67 years old and this is my FIRST car from Japan. I have owned almost every exotic car on the planet. For you to bad mouth the GTR shows your ignorance of cars. I have drag raced and Auto crossed the GTR. And still have a warrenty. I don't have to mod the car ---stock it will out run any Cadillac or Z06 in stock form. Grow up. And for all you people that think the GTR is ugly--- How can you tell ? all you ever see are the tail lights.

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3 year's anniversary today. Quite a return for post number 8.
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You dug up a 2 month old thread just to say this shit?
I don't care if you're 67, grow up.

As a moderator for this forum, you show a lack of class. When do we gleefully report on other cars perceived trouble ? I own a Cadillac and a GTR . I will never own another Cadillac. I am 67 years old and this is my FIRST car from Japan. I have owned almost every exotic car on the planet. For you to bad mouth the GTR shows your ignorance of cars. I have drag raced and Auto crossed the GTR. And still have a warrenty. I don't have to mod the car ---stock it will out run any Cadillac or Z06 in stock form. Grow up. And for all you people that think the GTR is ugly--- How can you tell ? all you ever see are the tail lights.

If you have owned virtually every exotic on the planet and now your sporting a Datsun then I guess the economy is worse than I thought. And as far as your warranty, Im guessing your service writer doesn't know you have been racing it.

Actually it can... a ZR1 on the otherhand is another story

The ZR1 is only .2 quicker on the 0-60

As a moderator for this forum, you show a lack of class. When do we gleefully report on other cars perceived trouble ? I own a Cadillac and a GTR . I will never own another Cadillac. I am 67 years old and this is my FIRST car from Japan. I have owned almost every exotic car on the planet. For you to bad mouth the GTR shows your ignorance of cars. I have drag raced and Auto crossed the GTR. And still have a warrenty. I don't have to mod the car ---stock it will out run any Cadillac or Z06 in stock form. Grow up. And for all you people that think the GTR is ugly--- How can you tell ? all you ever see are the tail lights.

1. These ridiculous warranty denials are straight from Nissan's literature- I didn't make this stuff up. You might think you still have a warranty, but try shattering the transmission with the VDC off and see what happens.

2. I never compared the GT-R's performance to a Cadillac or Z06.

3. I never called it ugly.

4. Warranty is spelled with an "A". If you're going to dig up a months old thread just to insult me, at least have the decency to spell properly when you do so. :)

As a moderator for this forum, you show a lack of class. When do we gleefully report on other cars perceived trouble ? I own a Cadillac and a GTR . I will never own another Cadillac. I am 67 years old and this is my FIRST car from Japan. I have owned almost every exotic car on the planet. For you to bad mouth the GTR shows your ignorance of cars. I have drag raced and Auto crossed the GTR. And still have a warrenty. I don't have to mod the car ---stock it will out run any Cadillac or Z06 in stock form. Grow up. And for all you people that think the GTR is ugly--- How can you tell ? all you ever see are the tail lights.
I think people who have no clue what they're talking about and think moderators have to be opinionless robots have no class themselves. Fine, never own another Cadillac. Hooray for you. Sounds like the old man needs to grow up...

Quit echoing my post.
you sound like a parrot.
parrot's hang around pirates.
...and it all leads back to the GT-:pir8:






(aright, well... it was funny in my head.)

Quit echoing my post.
you sound like a parrot.
parrot's hang around pirates.
...and it all leads back to the GT-:pir8:






(aright, well... it was funny in my head.)

Alright is spelled with an "L" in it. Grow up kid! :thepan:

;)

eta: this thread is now full of win. Now I'm going back into my emotionless, no opinion, moderator mentality.

That will be all people. Carry on. :suspect:

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3 year's anniversary today. Quite a return for post number 8.
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Quality not quantity

FAIL on both counts...

As a moderator for this forum, you show a lack of class. When do we gleefully report on other cars perceived trouble ? I own a Cadillac and a GTR . I will never own another Cadillac. I am 67 years old and this is my FIRST car from Japan. I have owned almost every exotic car on the planet. For you to bad mouth the GTR shows your ignorance of cars. I have drag raced and Auto crossed the GTR. And still have a warrenty. I don't have to mod the car ---stock it will out run any Cadillac or Z06 in stock form. Grow up. And for all you people that think the GTR is ugly--- How can you tell ? all you ever see are the tail lights.Youve owned every exotic and now you drive a GT-R? Did I read this correctly? Sure, the GT-R may be faster on a track, but in every other way that matters to men and women, and practically anyone with 2 legs and a zipper, the Ferrari is a smarter purchase. In every way. Money and taste. Sorry, money NOT taste. :P HAve you seen the revised warranty for 2010 models? Nissan is protecting this car more aggressively then Marty McSorley protected Wayne Gretzky.