: STS in Car and Driver



gman89
07-06-04, 10:13 PM
They liked it, they really liked it!! Now, if I only had some money left after buying the SRX......

rayainsw
07-07-04, 07:57 AM
Mine has not yet arrived - what were their 0-60 and SS 1/4?
RWD loaded, I presume?
Thanks,
- Ray
A little surprised at the MT numbers . . .

gman89
07-07-04, 09:39 PM
Loaded. Every option except the sunroof.


6.0 and 14.6 $47,494 base price. $62,215 as tested.

The most expensive option was the 1SG sport package at almost $8700. The car was black. It looked hot.

When the V model comes out, it will be an animal. Cadillac can finally compete with the imports. They just need to overcome the bad reputation. I am blown away by my SRX every time I drive it, but I still love my 94 DeVille.

b4z
07-07-04, 09:46 PM
Does the V8 RWD model have the gas guzzler tax like the AWD?

If it does, is that included in the MSRP?

b4z
07-07-04, 09:48 PM
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gman89
07-07-04, 10:31 PM
No mention of the tax. The car is rated at 17/26.

rayainsw
07-08-04, 08:12 AM
Thanks for posting the performance #s.
14.6 (at high 90s, I expect) makes more sense to me than these #s:

from MT:


0-60: 6.0

Quarter: 14.2 at 97.5

At 14.2, I'd expect a trap speed over 100.

- Ray
Still looking forward to a drive . . .

rueben44
07-08-04, 04:03 PM
17/26 is not bad at all for a big AWD car like that. Shoot that is almost worth going for.

rayainsw
07-08-04, 05:22 PM
17/26 is not bad at all for a big AWD car like that. Shoot that is almost worth going for.
I believe that the 17 / 26 (mfr est) is for the RWD version - I have not yet seen even a mfr est for the AWD version - that has a gas guzzler tax applied.

- Ray
Wondering exactly how much the AWD version's additional weight and mechanical drag hurt real world MPG . . .

Brett
07-08-04, 05:47 PM
that price is a little scary to me. that puts it in direct competition with some really good cars. and the cadillac has little or no edge on them in features. My LS430 with almost the exact same features of the STS was 62 sticker and I paid ~58.

b4z
07-09-04, 02:09 AM
Also 3 across seating is doubtful in the STS and the trunk is noticeably smaller also.
The Lexus does better on both counts, although my LS400 was one of the most boring cars I have ever driven.

Brett
07-09-04, 09:13 AM
Yeah, the STS should easily outhandle my LS, even with my so-called sport suspension. I just think at that price point the LS is a way better value. Time will tell, hope im wrong.

mlamike
07-09-04, 03:44 PM
From what I've read about the new STS, it is not only a great luxury sadan but also an outstanding sports sadan. It's styling is not copied or variation of some other brand. That's what makes the car better than any Lexus. Those cars are generic copies of Benz cars and they don't compete with bimmer driving dynamics. I think Cadillac has something truely different with the new STS. By the way I drive a Lexus GS400 with navi and trunk spoiler.

megeebee
07-09-04, 05:17 PM
From what I've read about the new STS, it is not only a great luxury sadan but also an outstanding sports sadan. It's styling is not copied or variation of some other brand. That's what makes the car better than any Lexus. Those cars are generic copies of Benz cars and they don't compete with bimmer driving dynamics. I think Cadillac has something truely different with the new STS. By the way I drive a Lexus GS400 with navi and trunk spoiler.
......well then, maybe we can get you in to a Cadillac soon?.....

mlamike
07-09-04, 08:46 PM
If the STS lives up to the hype, I will diffinitely be in a new Caddy soon. Although I'am also considering an Audi A6 V8.

silver bullet
07-09-04, 08:47 PM
Latest issue of autoweek July 12 test of new STS they were very impressed even with the 3.6 version.Cadillac's on a roll go Caddy.:)

gothicaleigh
07-15-04, 11:24 PM
From August 2004 C&D:

'05 STS RWD 320hp 315lb. ft. torque Northstar

0-30: 2.3
0-40: 3.3
0-50: 4.6
0-60: 6.0
0-100: 15.7

1/4 mile: 14.6 @ 97mph
Top Speed: 154 mph

Braking, 70-0 mph: 177ft.
300 ft. skidpad: .86g

gothicaleigh
07-15-04, 11:48 PM
My favorite bits:

'Disable the traction control, summon some minor brake torque, and you can paint 10 feet of rubber stripes.'

'Sixty mph arrives in six seconds flat, same as what a 745i can manage.
Course the BMW goes on to eat the quarter-mile in 14.6 seconds at 97 mph.
Woah! Same as the STS.
What the Cadillac does that the $69,195 BMW doesn't is achieve a top speed of 154 mph. Moreover, Cadillac has calibrated the traction control to allow you to bark the tires at step-off without imposing Big Brother's mechanical hand of moderation. Nice.'

'Fact is, the previous STS was never really a performance car. It was a luxury sedan that simply didn't embarrass itself in the hills. This new STS, in contrast, is barking at the city limits of hot-rod-dom, notably in it's edgy ride, booming acceleration, and tenacious handling.'

'For decades, Cadillac seemed content to stay a step ahead of Lincoln. Now, with the STS -and the SRX before it- you really DO get the feeling the division is serious about competing with foreign luxury brands. When our test car arrived, chief engineer Jim Frederico pointed proudly at panel gaps that have been narrowed to three millimeters from the old car's five. Then he pointed to the top of the door frames, which blend almost invisibly into the roof in a costly "Dutch hem" design. "Let's see Mercedes match THAT," he said.
When's the last time you heard a Lincoln guy say that?'

jerseyvette
07-16-04, 05:12 PM
They liked it, they really liked it!! Now, if I only had some money left after buying the SRX......
Let's pray for a miracle...I'd like to fit in the 05 STS. I am 6'3.5" with long legs. Only car I feel comfortable in is the Escalade and CTS (Front seats).

Hope the wood looks real in the STS 05. I was in a 528i last night and the wood looks real and rich. Lets hope GM picked good suppliers and spent where necessary on the interior!

gothicaleigh
07-18-04, 08:37 PM
The wood is real in the STS. You have a choice between Zebrano wood or Eucalyptus.

The 525i and 530i use a "Titanium finish interior trim", meaning painted plastic.
The 545i uses a "Poplar Grain wood interior trim" or "Maple Grain wood interior trim", meaning finished wood pieces (neither of which are as exotic as Cadillac's wood choices).

The interior of the STS bests that found in the 5 series BMW in every way.

gothicaleigh
07-18-04, 09:05 PM
As for interior room, if you found the 5 and CTS to be fine, then you will have no complaints with the STS:

BMW 5-series
Leg Room(front)....................41.5
Leg Room (rear).....................36.0
Head Room(front)..................37.7
Head Room(rear)...................37.9
Shoulder Room(front).............57.3
Shoulder Room(rear)...............57.2

Cadillac STS
Leg Room(front)...................42.6
Leg Room (rear)...................38.3
Head Room(front).................38.7
Head Room(rear)..................37.9
Shoulder Room(front)............58.6
Shoulder Room(rear)..............57.4

Cadillac CTS
Leg Room (front)...................42.4
Leg Room (rear)....................36.2
Head Room (front).................38.9
Head Room (rear)..................36.9
Shoulder Room (front)............56.6
Shoulder Room (rear)..............56.2

rueben44
07-18-04, 11:11 PM
I literally can not read the post above because of a fu$$ing pop up that will not move or ro away even if I click on it. This is really pissing me off!!!

rueben44
07-18-04, 11:18 PM
Ok Googles pop up blocker did the job!!!!! I can put the asprin away now.

ktills45
07-19-04, 05:59 PM
I just read the C&D review of the STS, and I can't believe I was reading about a Cadillac. Almost nothing but positives with comparable references to the benchmark luxury automotive marques in interior styling, performance and value.

It is really great to see Cadillac aim for the bullseye, and hit it with every car they've debuted in the last three years. I cannot wait to see the STS-V and the new Deville.

Congratulations Cadillac!

BestTimesNow
07-22-04, 09:24 PM
Here's a link to the story in Car & Driver, if you haven't read it yet.

http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=3&article_id=8279

jerseyvette
07-27-04, 02:37 PM
From August 2004 C&D:

'05 STS RWD 320hp 315lb. ft. torque Northstar

0-30: 2.3
0-40: 3.3
0-50: 4.6
0-60: 6.0
0-100: 15.7

1/4 mile: 14.6 @ 97mph
Top Speed: 154 mph

Braking, 70-0 mph: 177ft.
300 ft. skidpad: .86g

VERY Quick Car!! Nice!! I'd like to see how the magnetic option suspension feels while flooring that baby!

gothicaleigh
07-27-04, 03:58 PM
<does a double-take>
Okay, who stole Jerseyvette's log-in? :p



J/K

This should answer how it feels when you floor it:
"The twin-cam V-8 is abetted in its labors by a five-speed Hydra-Matic 5L50-E that may be the best transmission GM has ever produced. Why do we say that? Because you're almost never aware that it's doing anything. This is especially true during kickdowns, even two-gear kickdowns, which are as fast as they are unobtrusive. You know that embarrassed feeling you get when you're about to pass a guy on a two-lane road, and you nail the throttle and get a huge neck-snapping kickdown, only to abandon the maneuver when you discover a car in the oncoming lane? In the STS, all that happens is a nearly instantaneous increase in engine revs. No jolt. No roar. Passengers don't have to suffer for the driver's bad timing."

Smooth as silk. :)

rayainsw
07-27-04, 03:58 PM
From R&T Aug 2004:

Time to speed Seconds
030 mph.......2.1
040 mph.......3.2
050 mph.......4.5
060 mph.......5.9
070 mph.......7.6
080 mph.......9.5
090 mph.......11.8
0100 mph.......15.2
Time to distance
0100 ft.......3.0
0500 ft.......7.8
01320 ft (1⁄4 mile).......14.3 @ 97.5

Even quicker.
- Ray
Particularly impressed with 14.3 in 95 degree heat . . .