: air lift bags = 0 wheel hop!!!!!



thunderbry
03-15-09, 11:48 PM
For anyone that was wondering I just installed the air lift air bags today and was thrilled when I took the v out for a test ride and laid rubber through 1st and 2nd gear with 0 wheel hop. I was skeptacle that this would work as I have read all the threads and never saw anyone saying that they just added air bags and cured the wheel hop. I did only the bags and they are at 15lbs of air a piece and 0 wheel hop. Thank goodness!!!!

jaymfdub
03-16-09, 12:09 AM
part number???

TaVern
03-16-09, 12:11 AM
what the hell is an "air lift bag"???

VforMe
03-16-09, 12:13 AM
This sounds too good to be true....

SoJersey05V
03-16-09, 12:18 AM
hmmm... i went to the strip this past w/e end didnt launch hard because of the fear of the extensive wheelhop.

Vee
03-16-09, 12:22 AM
Make and post a vid please...:thumbsup:

814V
03-16-09, 12:25 AM
Make and post a vid please...:thumbsup:

:yeah:

Max-Q
03-16-09, 12:36 AM
How hard where they to install? Any special tools or tricks to get the job done? How long did it take?

CTSV_510
03-16-09, 01:29 AM
I assume we are discussing these:

http://www.exoticperformanceplus.com/performance_parts/index.html?item=1569

Do they raise your rear end up when inflated?

How is the ride feel?

Would it be ideal to have them installed and inflated permanently?

Pictures/Videos would be nice...

Naf
03-16-09, 03:10 AM
What happens is it helps the springs stay a bit more ridgit. I have them in my Tahoe and i have to admit, i love it. Its like havin stiffer swaybars in the rear with out havin it. Plus when you load up the ride quality doesnt change. Unloaded its a little stiffer but not bouncy.

A must, but you have to be ontop of the air pressure...You will know when it drops. I installed mine and tll today no one has found my fillin points.

Keepin them inflated all the time is not a bad thing, but you will get use to the ride that way...

CTS-Voodoo
03-16-09, 04:18 AM
Naf -
go get a 1 gallon air tank and a compressor from Viair. I used to be big into lowering vehicles with air..

If you ran a 1 gallon tank with a pressure switch you would always have a source of air, it runs off the battery, Since you wont be doing as much adjusting as the dragging minitruck world, you can probably get by with the smallest models (less weight).

Heres the compressor and tank along with a bunch of pieces to splice things in. You might want to hook up the system to a solenoid / air gauge so you can pop the bags up whenever.

http://www.viaircorp.com/098c.html
(http://www.viaircorp.com/10000.html)

Naf
03-16-09, 05:19 AM
True, but you see, i have two problems with that.

1. it gets super hot here
2. i love the space i have and dont want unwanted weight...

My solution is 100% nitrogen in the tires and bags...I leave 20-30% safety on the pressures for the air bags and only 10% on the tires...I adjust once for best overall and leave it there.

lollygagger8
03-16-09, 11:29 AM
please post a video of these in action!!

ichpen
03-16-09, 12:13 PM
Yep, vid would be handy as well as difficulty in installation.

nmaier2201
03-16-09, 12:23 PM
I remember someone.... (maybe rlj5) stating that installation was super easy... like ~2hrs or less. the bags ride in the springs and you can just insert them uninflated from the bottom and pump them up, route your hoses and be done with it.

ya ya I know I could have done a search for that thread.... but then again... so can you if you want more details :)

Howsitgoing
03-16-09, 03:03 PM
1. it gets super hot here

Ain't that the truth! That shouldn't even be called hot. There should be another name for what that is! :bonkers:

thebigjimsho
03-16-09, 06:20 PM
not only do I want vids, but I want to know what type of tires the OP was using. I've seen others proclaim no wheelhop but they end up running craptastic tires that give little resistance and spin on demand...

ccextra1976
03-16-09, 06:39 PM
anyone have it all? like the $17/or specter bushings/ or KARS/trailing arms etc and these bags? and the sticky ichy tires w/no hop at all?

thunderbry
03-16-09, 06:59 PM
Here is what I can tell you at this point - The car has BFG tires on it not slicks on a vht so are they great no but the car wheel hopped before with the same tires on it so it was definately was an improvement.

thebigjimsho
03-16-09, 11:50 PM
hmm...

Max-Q
03-17-09, 02:13 AM
Here is what I can tell you at this point - The car has BFG tires on it not slicks on a vht so are they great no but the car wheel hopped before with the same tires on it so it was definately was an improvement.

Ok but answer some of the other questions when you get a chance.

atdeneve
03-17-09, 09:57 AM
If you make a thread titled zero wheel hop, you're gonna hafta put up a vid.

It's as simple as that. Really. It's like a law. Since back when Eve was rompin around with nothing but a bit of foliage to cover up her nubile mammaries.

thebigjimsho
03-17-09, 11:32 AM
were they nubile?

atdeneve
03-17-09, 11:47 AM
Indeed.

thebigjimsho
03-17-09, 11:53 AM
hmm...

thebigjimsho
03-17-09, 11:54 AM
mmm...

PISNUOFF
03-17-09, 12:40 PM
FYI - Air Lift doesn't make a kit that fits the Eibach springs that come with the GC system. "The coil is too small".

thebigjimsho
03-17-09, 02:22 PM
thank goodness. I didn't want to be tempted by pink, inflatable bags...

lollygagger8
03-17-09, 02:25 PM
thank goodness. I didn't want to be tempted by pink, inflatable bags...

The two you have now are too tempting as it is? :lol:

thebigjimsho
03-17-09, 02:47 PM
:icecream:

thunderbry
03-17-09, 06:18 PM
First of all I would like to appologize to all who are angry by my claim to 0 wheel hop but I am convinced and will post a video when I have the chance.

The installation of the bags are simple, jack up the car take off the wheels, roll the bags up like a taco and shove them into the hole under the springs. Hook up the air lines, valves and youre done. I am running 15lbs of air per side at the moment and havent played around with them at all.

CTSV_510
03-17-09, 06:23 PM
Can you answer the question on ride height - did it change at all?

smashn808
03-17-09, 08:40 PM
Is this the magical solution to all our problems?:canttalk:

ccextra1976
03-17-09, 09:20 PM
Is this the magical solution to all our problems?:canttalk:

everyone kinda of said BS about the $17 dollar washer fix...and look people are happy so far....

maybe bags and washer will do the trick.....

jaymfdub
03-17-09, 10:42 PM
gime an air ride part number and ill take pics as i install em

got the corsa on 2 day!!!! 45 mins on the ground set of raps n a floor jack was pretty smooth and quick :D

SoJersey05V
03-17-09, 11:38 PM
i'm gonna order these! shit for 80 bucks whats the worst that could happen? better then spending $600+ for kars kit to "minimize" wheels hop.

Cowan480
03-18-09, 03:57 AM
:drink2:

ichpen
03-18-09, 10:59 AM
Not an elegant solution.... Still, tempting for the cost. Did ride height and handling change given there's more resistance and less compression with the bags? Also where did you route the air line to? Wouldn't mind a pic.

smorgan
03-18-09, 11:56 AM
I never gave em a thought for the V but we have been using on G body drag cars for years. We always just run one bag in the pass rear coil, box the lowers & adj uppers and be prepaired to look at the sky.... or bust somthin...

Cowan480
03-18-09, 08:54 PM
:food-snacking:

I am very interested in this airbag idea!! I would really like to know what going on!:yawn:

Cowan

CTSV_06
03-18-09, 09:48 PM
I believe this will work. I have air bags installed in my 65 Catalina and they really help stabilize the coil springs. They reduce sway and should only slightly affect ride quality. For $80 it is worth a try. And here are a couple links for installation. --> http://www.firestoneindustrial.com/pdfs/RR/installation/4168.pdf http://www.airliftcompany.com/manuals/MN-167.pdf

Cowan480
03-18-09, 10:11 PM
not a bad investment... Id like to know where thunderbry went to!!

liqidvenom
03-18-09, 10:18 PM
I am really shocked that this just now came to the v crowd. The gto guys have been using this for quite some time and the suffer from the same wheel hop/crappy rear issue that we do.

just because we have a caddy doesnt mean that we shouldnt be looking to others for fixes we all share.

I might pick up a set of these and see what happens.

ctsv154
03-18-09, 10:25 PM
These have been out for months!

liqidvenom
03-18-09, 11:11 PM
but if im mistaken drag bags have been on gtos since they were rocking ls1 powerplants

ctsv154
03-18-09, 11:23 PM
If you wanna talk about drag bags those have been out for forever! The particular bags for the V have been out a long time, its just nobody ever thought to measure and try to buy some that might fit. When somebody did, EPP started carrying them.

thebigjimsho
03-18-09, 11:57 PM
my V has enuff air bags...

liqidvenom
03-19-09, 01:02 AM
my V has enuff air bags...

do they all keep you safe as your rear wheel hops

ccextra1976
03-19-09, 01:07 AM
ok this weekend I'm going to order these and install them the same time I do the $17 washers....and will report when it's all done...

I just want someone to answer the question if the bags change the handleing at all

but for $97 bucks and 80-90% wheel hop reduction it is worth the trial/error

814V
03-19-09, 01:08 AM
they keep me safe if i was ever to get in a accident while receiving rode dome

liqidvenom
03-19-09, 01:13 AM
wouldnt her breast keep you safe in an accident?

and i think if u keep the bags at 7-8psi it shouldnt hamper the handling

814V
03-19-09, 01:18 AM
wouldnt her breast keep you safe in an accident?

and i think if u keep the bags at 7-8psi it shouldnt hamper the handling

i thought the bags were filled with silicone ;)

liqidvenom
03-19-09, 01:41 AM
this guy.....

814V
03-19-09, 01:49 AM
this guy.....

:cloud9:

thebigjimsho
03-19-09, 03:07 PM
wouldnt her breast keep you safe in an accident?


those little starfish?

thebigjimsho
03-19-09, 03:08 PM
do they all keep you safe as your rear wheel hops
I don't have wheelhop...

Cowan480
03-19-09, 04:16 PM
ok this weekend I'm going to order these and install them the same time I do the $17 washers....and will report when it's all done...

I just want someone to answer the question if the bags change the handleing at all

but for $97 bucks and 80-90% wheel hop reduction it is worth the trial/error

Yes!!!!:worship:

darkman
03-19-09, 06:44 PM
ok this weekend I'm going to order these and install them the same time I do the $17 washers....and will report when it's all done...

I just want someone to answer the question if the bags change the handleing at all

but for $97 bucks and 80-90% wheel hop reduction it is worth the trial/error

And while you are at it, I'd like to know if the air bags will let me take the V rock climbing or will I have to wait on Rancho Suspensions to come out with something.

ccextra1976
03-19-09, 07:44 PM
And while you are at it, I'd like to know if the air bags will let me take the V rock climbing or will I have to wait on Rancho Suspensions to come out with something.

I got ya....I had already planned to measure stock and measure at different levels of air pressure...

smashn808
03-19-09, 08:09 PM
And while you are at it, I'd like to know if the air bags will let me take the V rock climbing or will I have to wait on Rancho Suspensions to come out with something.

HAHA rock crawling in the CTS-V. Seriously though, i hope this works out.

smashn808
04-03-09, 06:52 PM
Anyone test this yet?

ccextra1976
04-03-09, 08:42 PM
I didn't install them yet...I'm waiting on another option before I put them in...

WGT31
04-04-09, 12:10 AM
Well I've got the bags and the Kars and I still have F--king Wheel hop:banghead:. I'm running 45lbs of air, (ass up in the air) and Blizzack tires (40lbs). It might change when i put the RSA's back on for summer but I freakin doubt it.:mad:

814V
04-04-09, 12:41 AM
just don't mash it and shift as hard.. problem solved

ccextra1976
04-04-09, 01:10 AM
Well I've got the bags and the Kars and I still have F--king Wheel hop:banghead:. I'm running 45lbs of air, (ass up in the air) and Blizzack tires (40lbs). It might change when i put the RSA's back on for summer but I freakin doubt it.:mad:

isn't that way to much pressure? everything I heard was 7-10

ccextra1976
04-04-09, 01:10 AM
just don't mash it and shift as hard.. problem solved

:hmm: you just posted that :hmm:

thebigjimsho
04-04-09, 11:54 PM
no panacea. except for massive redesign and replacement...

Kael
04-06-09, 05:47 PM
its weird that this finally came up again
I posted on a find of these. .what.. two years ago?

http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/cadillac-cts-forum-2003-through-2007/94741-new-product-find-turn-your-rear.html

thebigjimsho
04-06-09, 06:04 PM
p00p.

Cowan480
04-06-09, 08:49 PM
This is great...

We want it to the floor after a popped clutch and no wheel hop!!!

Im still wait on those results from ccextra1976!!

TrazzNJ
04-08-09, 06:21 PM
I'm guessing this doesn't work like it did on page one????

ccextra1976
04-08-09, 10:30 PM
This is great...

We want it to the floor after a popped clutch and no wheel hop!!!

Im still wait on those results from ccextra1976!!

it's going to be two months...I found out today I will be hoping all over country for the next 1.5 months...and I'm having a machine shop make some "washers" to suppliment the bags....and wishing by the time I get back someone will have some different bushings for the rear diff mounts by then

BirdmanTamu
04-19-09, 02:54 AM
The lack of vid post for proof makes me think this mod works as well as a UUC MM...

Submariner409
04-19-09, 10:44 AM
FWIW, Air Lifts were common in the 60's and 70's when a lot of cars used a 4-control arm/shock/spring rear axle. 100% wheel hop cure, BUT you had to experiment with your car, your tires.

Three ways to do the install - stick 'em in and use the Schrader valve to inflate from under the car, which requires a lot of rolling around on the ground - run a T line from the valves up into the trunk and inflate/deflate both at the same time (sort of like a manual ride height control) - and run 2 lines into the trunk so you can preload each side of the axle with different pressures to cure wheelspin on non-posi differentials.

Several ways to skin this cat, but Air Lifts have been around for a very long time, and they work. Careful tuning is the secret, just like any other mod.

Phil25101
04-19-09, 08:34 PM
I had air bags in my 87 Monte carlo that ran 11.20's in the 1/4 mile. They worked quite well getting the car to hook hard off the line. I thought this might be a quick fix for the wheel hop issue but did not try it yet and this is the first thread I have seen showing that it works. Congrat and kudos to you Thunderbry.

lollygagger8
04-28-09, 11:30 AM
Soooooo......the bags don't work??! :(

nmaier2201
04-28-09, 12:05 PM
I think there is enough sucess posts to say that they do. I'm going to put them on my car as well.... I just keep waiting for a pic of how people routed the air lines into the trunk.... so you can easily adjust the air pressure... if I can see how someone routed the air hoses I'm buyin em.

liqidvenom
04-28-09, 12:40 PM
FWIW, Air Lifts were common in the 60's and 70's when a lot of cars used a 4-control arm/shock/spring rear axle. 100% wheel hop cure, BUT you had to experiment with your car, your tires.

Three ways to do the install - stick 'em in and use the Schrader valve to inflate from under the car, which requires a lot of rolling around on the ground - run a T line from the valves up into the trunk and inflate/deflate both at the same time (sort of like a manual ride height control) - and run 2 lines into the trunk so you can preload each side of the axle with different pressures to cure wheelspin on non-posi differentials.

Several ways to skin this cat, but Air Lifts have been around for a very long time, and they work. Careful tuning is the secret, just like any other mod.


yeah i know on other forums they have to play with the psi settings for a bit before they are able to get this to work 100%

lollygagger8
04-28-09, 02:03 PM
Well if the different size halfshafts help so much, maybe you guys should try different psi on each side. Not drastcially different to where the car would unlevel, but maybe 1 or 2 psi diff on each bag?

V for Vendetta
04-30-09, 12:30 AM
Naf -
go get a 1 gallon air tank and a compressor from Viair. I used to be big into lowering vehicles with air..

If you ran a 1 gallon tank with a pressure switch you would always have a source of air, it runs off the battery, Since you wont be doing as much adjusting as the dragging minitruck world, you can probably get by with the smallest models (less weight).

Heres the compressor and tank along with a bunch of pieces to splice things in. You might want to hook up the system to a solenoid / air gauge so you can pop the bags up whenever.

http://www.viaircorp.com/098c.html
(http://www.viaircorp.com/10000.html)

NIce to see I'm not the only minitrucker-turned V enthusiast. I missed draggin a mini so much I just bought a bagged s10 just to hit the switches again. I'm sure I'll sell it to a highschool kid at the end of the Summer but it's been fun the past two days, especially with my V still in the shop collecting dust.
http://images.craigslist.org/3ne3m33ldZZZZZZZZZ94r7d38d8ff713d18da.jpg

BlackStellion
06-05-09, 06:24 PM
Anyone try this yet?
most deffinitelly wortha try; im sure It has to help.
better than nothing.
up date pleaseee. and whta ever happen with the video and pictures?????

HeavyH20
10-03-09, 02:20 AM
I have a set installed. Very easy to do. I have been testing in the rain since that is the worst case scenario with wheel hop. I found that about 35 PSI on the right side and 10 PSI on the left drastically reduced hop. On dry pavement it works very well and allows for harder launches. I did some off the line tests against a 2008 M3 with some very good success. No hop on the 1-2 and just a little chatter on hard launches. Heading to the track on the 11th so we shall see how it helps.

Mystical_Ice
10-03-09, 02:48 AM
i also come from a lowriding background, in that my first car was a bagged 1980 fleetwood

http://www.f1f3.com/cadillac/personalcaddy0021.jpg

(i say my first car, but i had it till about a year ago, lol).

Anyway, if this gets to be "the fix", i can definately pull together a kit that people can purchase - i still have many contacts in the hydraulic and bagging lowrider world, as well as many shops, who i'm sure would be more than happy to put together a "bagged CTS-V package" - for an excellent price.

Mystical_Ice
10-03-09, 03:05 AM
http://stealth.hard-light.net/hostedpictures/cartrouble/bagged6.jpg
lol