: The beast is gone, I'm back in a Cadillac



dirt_cheap_fleetwood
02-23-09, 11:13 PM
That's right, no more Isuzu Rodeo! Although it was a great truck that never let me down even in the -25 degree weather we had this winter, it was time for it to go.

In its place I have bought a 1990 Cadillac Brougham 350. It has 67,402 miles on it and is in damn near mint condition, especially for the area I live in and the car's age. I paid $3500 for the car which has no mechanical flaws and only a few cosmetic ones, which I think is a steal. It has 4 brand new tires, a $400 head unit and a new exhaust system.

First impressions:

1) The engine: Fantastic. I could easily roast the tires for hours on end if I wanted to (not that I ever would :)). It isn't very fast but it just screams "Slap 5000lbs to my ass and let me drag it down the highway." It is definitely able to get out of its own way. It also has a 700r4 trans for towing capability. The trans doesn't shift as smoothly as other Caddies I have been in but it doesn't feel as fragile either. This car is basically a GMC truck with a softer suspension and a better looking body.

2) Suspension and handling: Although the ride is not super soft a cushy like other Broughams I have been in it is definitely Cadillac worthy. It floats over dips in the road but cracks, gaps and potholes come through rather roughly. It soaks up the large road issues better than my Fleetwood but the Fleetwood can soak up small things better (worst sentence ever). It handles rather well for being such big, heavy (very heavy) car. The back end is a little sloshy on tight maneuvers at speed but it is also very sure of itself. It takes corners surprisingly well, not that I whip it around corners very much. I have driven it 13 miles since I got it.

3) Design: Does this really need a paragraph? This is probably one of the most recognizable cars ever made. The exterior just screams class while the inside is subtle but indulges you luxurious materials and great design.


Time for pictures:


I took this picture the day I picked it up when it was all clean and shiny. There are a few things I need to fix, one of them being the power antenna. It is stuck up. The windshield will also have to be replaced sometime as there are several dings from where it got hit by rocks. This is also evident on the front bumper trim if you look hard enough.

http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn17/Saber2580/My%20Cars/1990%20Brougham/IMG_0083.jpg


And here is how she sits now awaiting plates and a title transfer. I am going to the DMV on Wednesday and transferring over the old plates from the Rodeo. I thought about a vanity plate saying "350 Boat" but it is probably already taken and vanity plates cost a lot more than regular ones.

http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn17/Saber2580/My%20Cars/1990%20Brougham/IMG_0096.jpg

http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn17/Saber2580/My%20Cars/1990%20Brougham/IMG_0097.jpg

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http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn17/Saber2580/My%20Cars/1990%20Brougham/IMG_0094.jpg

http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn17/Saber2580/My%20Cars/1990%20Brougham/IMG_0093.jpg

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http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn17/Saber2580/My%20Cars/1990%20Brougham/IMG_0095.jpg


Hmm, big and beautiful.

http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn17/Saber2580/My%20Cars/1990%20Brougham/IMG_0113.jpg

http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn17/Saber2580/My%20Cars/1990%20Brougham/IMG_0114.jpg

http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn17/Saber2580/My%20Cars/1990%20Brougham/IMG_0115.jpg

http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn17/Saber2580/My%20Cars/1990%20Brougham/IMG_0112.jpg

http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn17/Saber2580/My%20Cars/1990%20Brougham/IMG_0125.jpg

Destroyer
02-23-09, 11:15 PM
Beautiful! Good luck with it!:thumbsup:

Jesda
02-23-09, 11:22 PM
Wow, another clean Cadillac for you. Great color!

dirt_cheap_fleetwood
02-23-09, 11:23 PM
Interior shots:


The seats are a little worn but still feel great and have held up well. A Dove treatment and some Leatherique treatments will make it shine like new.

http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn17/Saber2580/My%20Cars/1990%20Brougham/IMG_0102.jpg

http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn17/Saber2580/My%20Cars/1990%20Brougham/IMG_0103.jpg


I have come under much criticism from my friends about the radio. I have the original in the trunk but I think I will keep this one. It is a very clean installation and looks really good, IMO. I also like the idea of friends/family being able to watch a move on road trips.

http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn17/Saber2580/My%20Cars/1990%20Brougham/IMG_0104.jpg

http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn17/Saber2580/My%20Cars/1990%20Brougham/IMG_0122.jpg


Case in point, Cannon Ball Run!

http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn17/Saber2580/My%20Cars/1990%20Brougham/IMG_0123.jpg


This is the other cosmetic thing I need to fix. There is a nice tear in the driver door padding that mimics the issues on the C-body DeVilles. I hope I can find a local upholstery shop that will do it for a decent price.

http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn17/Saber2580/My%20Cars/1990%20Brougham/IMG_0107.jpg

http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn17/Saber2580/My%20Cars/1990%20Brougham/IMG_0108.jpg

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gdwriter
02-23-09, 11:32 PM
Beautiful car, John. I definitely want a ride (or even better, a test drive) at the August meet in Chicago.

You can get a bright, shiny hood ornament on eBay to replace your faded one, and you'll likely be able to sell the one you already have. I did that with Cruella, and I got more for my faded hoodie than what I paid for a mint one. Win-win!

So does this mean the Fleetwood will become your winter car? Since that car already has some rust, it would make sense to keep your mint Brougham off the salty roads if at all possible.

I can vouch for Sandy's Dove soap treatment. It really brightened up my seats, and I couldn't believe how dirty the rinse water got the first time I did it. As for the armests, dashtops.com sells plastic caps; that's how I took care of the ones in Cruella, but since you have the door mounted seatbelts, that might make it more difficult.

Enjoy your new ride!

dirt_cheap_fleetwood
02-23-09, 11:32 PM
Last post, I promise.

First, video of the horn. It is bad ass and scares the crap out of people. :)



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73P1boGz2lI



Gigantic gas pedal.

http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn17/Saber2580/My%20Cars/1990%20Brougham/IMG_0109.jpg

http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn17/Saber2580/My%20Cars/1990%20Brougham/IMG_0126.jpg

http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn17/Saber2580/My%20Cars/1990%20Brougham/IMG_0127.jpg



Sexy.

http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn17/Saber2580/My%20Cars/1990%20Brougham/IMG_0133.jpg

http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn17/Saber2580/My%20Cars/1990%20Brougham/IMG_0136.jpg



Working opera lights.

http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn17/Saber2580/My%20Cars/1990%20Brougham/IMG_0135.jpg




And here is the last thing I am on the edge about. The previous owner installed some HID lights. At first I thought they were too blue but I went out tonight and rather like them. The look a lot bluer in the photos than in real life. It was again a clean install and if I need to I can pull them and install standard halogen lights in about 20 minutes as none of the original wiring was cut. I will have to see how it goes. The thing I am most concerned about is getting pulled over and ticketed.

http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn17/Saber2580/My%20Cars/1990%20Brougham/IMG_0132.jpg

http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn17/Saber2580/My%20Cars/1990%20Brougham/IMG_0130.jpg

I~LUV~Caddys8792
02-23-09, 11:38 PM
I LOVE your new car! The 77-92 Broughams and 77-84 deVilles are IMO the best looking "old school" Cadillacs ever, especially after the 1990 redesign. Can't wait to see it in person this summer!

creeker
02-24-09, 12:01 AM
You lucked out on the condition and price,I just looked up 90-92 broughams on auto trader .com, they sure have gone up in price,I've been
looking for a 90-92 for quite awhile,but I had to replace my 92 eldo. first,
good luck,enjoy.

gdwriter
02-24-09, 12:09 AM
Sounds like you have the trumpet horn option, which I love. I always say Cruella's horn sounds like a pissed-off church organ. I need to see if I can transplant that horn to Sabrina.

Even better, my hood ornament has a dealer installed alarm. Bend it too far like you were trying to cut the wire and steal it, and the horn goes off. See the demonstration below:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuHIjVTdotI

Brizzal
02-24-09, 12:14 AM
very nice! looks familiar! never been a fan of the 350 wheel package
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v719/zeroCadillac/PICT0004.jpg
all cadys should be stock with these horns...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5nT1GXDAk0

dirt_cheap_fleetwood
02-24-09, 12:29 AM
Brizzal, does your brother still own that car or did he sell it?

Brizzal
02-24-09, 12:35 AM
he still has it, even though i detail it every week inside and out! haha, hopefully he will eventually sell it to me

I~LUV~Caddys8792
02-24-09, 12:39 AM
Speaking of "aftermarket" horns, I always wanted one of these bad boys in my car.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/af/Federal_Signal_Thunderbolt_1000.JPG/400px-Federal_Signal_Thunderbolt_1000.JPG


Probably not *too* legal though, haha.


See.....it's been done before! :yup: :yup:

http://users.tpg.com.au/nielsent/sirenworld/images/43692resized.jpg

Brizzal
02-24-09, 12:53 AM
John did u ever fix the interference from the HIDs? i was reading in the RWD cady forum. i put a kit in my cady and in the 92 FWB with zero problems

Aron9000
02-24-09, 02:38 AM
Nice Brougham, the paint looks amazing on it. I replaced all the faded emblems on mine, makes a big difference IMO.

I like that video screen, I have a regular DIN sized CD player in my 1991, it looks OKAY. But that unit almost looks factory, if they had LCD screens back in the day.

I agree with you on the ride, its pretty stiff by Cadillac standards, but it does handle really well for a big car.

Aron9000
02-24-09, 02:41 AM
very nice! looks familiar! never been a fan of the 350 wheel package


These were a factory option, and you could always get the wire spoke hubcaps on steel wheels instead.
http://www.fquick.com/images/vehicles/full/25595216453.jpg?1228700709

hueterm
02-24-09, 02:45 AM
For hubcaps, I actually think those look pretty good. However, if you're going to have wire wheels, that would be the car to have them on.

gary88
02-24-09, 02:57 AM
Awesome car, congrats!

96Fleetwood
02-24-09, 08:33 AM
Congrats JD!

Hopefully when we meet up this week there will be decent weather so we can take some pictures :thumbsup:

dirt_cheap_fleetwood
02-24-09, 09:25 AM
Aww, who went through and moved Gary's and my thread around? We put threads of our new cars in the member lounge because few people ever look at the sections unless they own that type of car.

dirt_cheap_fleetwood
02-24-09, 03:43 PM
Okay, Illinois sucks so they will not let me get a plate that says "350 BOAT". How does "BROUHAM" sound to the rest of you? I checked on the website and it has not been taken yet. Does it look super retarded without the "G"? I really don't want one that says "BROHAM" because it just looks stupid.

The last owner had organ donor plates on there and they looked really good. The are visible in the first picture of this thread. I can make that one say "BLUE 2".

gdwriter
02-24-09, 04:51 PM
Aww, who went through and moved Gary's and my thread around? We put threads of our new cars in the member lounge because few people ever look at the sections unless they own that type of car.:yeah: Can they be moved back?

Night Wolf
02-24-09, 04:52 PM
Very nice Brougham!

I agree with the others, I wouldn't ruin it by driving it in the salty winters. Thats a car that can stick around for a while.

Seeing pictures of the mint American classic luxury cars makes me want to keep the Town Car.

Aron9000
02-24-09, 05:10 PM
Get a plate that says BROAM. If anybody calls it a BRO-HAM:annoyed:
Tell them its pronounced like your plate.

96Fleetwood
02-24-09, 10:06 PM
I agree with the others, I wouldn't ruin it by driving it in the salty winters. Thats a car that can stick around for a while.

You know.. that is what I thought about my '93 Brougham with 68K original miles....... and then I came to my senses: It is a sub $5,000 dollar car, who cars what happens at this point to it! Drive the heck out of it!

Playdrv4me
02-24-09, 11:02 PM
Keep the HIDs and keep the radio too. I think they lend a touch of modernity to an otherwise classic car, and it isn't a garage queen or anything. Enjoy it.

BTW, what on EARTH is that bag of liquid hanging from the parking brake pedal?!?!

Night Wolf
02-24-09, 11:30 PM
You know.. that is what I thought about my '93 Brougham with 68K original miles....... and then I came to my senses: It is a sub $5,000 dollar car, who cars what happens at this point to it! Drive the heck out of it!

Thats just the mentality I was constintly battling with on all my vehicles prior to the Jeep.

To me atleast, my vehicles were worth more then what KBB says they are. There are alot of people who would buy a $2,500 car (as was the cost of my BMW) and treat it as a beater and run it into the ground... Same with the Lincoln, that car dosen't have a single door ding on it and I take special care to try my hardest and keep it that way... but others may say "it's just a $5k 13 y/o car, who cares" - I care.

If it was a "common" car, then yeah, I can understand, but a premium top line Cadillac? Those cars are gettign harder to find in nice condition.... just think of all the once nice Broughams that are driving around busted up and treated as a beater, those are driven by people with the same mentality.

I'm glad I no longer live in the snow belt... all my vehicles are rust free and look much newer underneath then their age would show... I guess it's just a touchy topic for me as I lived in NY and know what it's like to battle with the salt-filled winters, once the cancer starts, theres no stopping it. I had to sell my Oldsmobile for those reasons, despite it being one of my favorite cars.

dirt_cheap_fleetwood
02-25-09, 12:33 AM
I am going to be storing this car next winter and driving my Fleetwood instead. The Fleetwood is better suited for winter driving anyway (FWD) and it is in worse condition. I am removing the HIDs that are in there now because they are a shitty kit and even after toying with it for nearly an hour today I can't even get the bulb to sit straight in the light housing. They also create a lot of radio interference when I have them on and I cannot stand buzzing noises over my speakers. However, I have already ordered a new 6000K HID kit from SharpHID.com, a vendor here.

The bag of liquid is an air freshener. I have no idea where the guy got it but it works very well and smells AMAZING!

greencadillacmatt
02-25-09, 03:42 AM
HOLY CRAP! That is one nice ride, my friend. I love the blue paint color. The radio/head-unit looks factory. I'd keep that. Gotta love the big-bodies!
:cool2:

96Fleetwood
02-25-09, 08:32 AM
If it was a "common" car, then yeah, I can understand, but a premium top line Cadillac? Those cars are gettign harder to find in nice condition.... just think of all the once nice Broughams that are driving around busted up and treated as a beater, those are driven by people with the same mentality.


I wouldn't say the same mentality as layfolk who beat them into oblivion. Don't get me wrong, I do not abuse my cars. Even though I drive this '93 in the winter, it still gets washed every 5 days. It is just a temporary daily driver for me that will fetch me more than I have invested when I get tired of it. My '96 on the other hand.. I guard it like a child (but I do have almost $20K invested).

A d'Elegance like Aron's is another one that is rare enough to get OCD about.

dirt_cheap_fleetwood
02-25-09, 12:26 PM
Well the count is in:

Cadillac symbols on the car: 32
The word "Cadillac" on the car: 8
The word "Brougham" on the car: 9

gdwriter
02-25-09, 12:41 PM
Well the count is in:

Cadillac symbols on the car: 32
The word "Cadillac" on the car: 8
The word "Brougham" on the car: 9Holy crap! And I thought my DeVille had a lot of emblems. I count only three wreath and crests on the Seville: grille, CHMSL on the trunk and steering wheel. And nowhere does the Cadillac script appear, which I will rectify with a small script emblem I bought on eBay from the export model.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
02-25-09, 09:16 PM
Well the count is in:

Cadillac symbols on the car: 32
The word "Cadillac" on the car: 8
The word "Brougham" on the car: 9


That, is why I love the big old Broughams....they're just so ostentatious. I mean you KNOW you're in the king of Cadillacs when you're riding in this, because you've got 49 different emblems telling you so!

If you took 'em all off, I bet the car would lose 200 lbs! :histeric:

Aron9000
02-26-09, 02:36 AM
Well the count is in:

Cadillac symbols on the car: 32
The word "Cadillac" on the car: 8
The word "Brougham" on the car: 9

DAMN!!! I was going to guess around 20 Cadillac emblems, never bothered to count mine.

billc83
02-26-09, 08:32 PM
Car fact: Every emblem or script on a brand new car raises the price.

There's a reason Yugos don't have emblems...