: Advice to someone buying a used Caddy



AirJigga25
06-20-03, 11:58 AM
I just wanted to pass this along just in case anyone else was ever mulling the decision to spring for an Extended Warrantee or not. Mine cost me $1600 when I bought my car and has been worth its weight in Gold! The thing has saved me about $6 grand in a year. I bought what I thought was a mint 97 SLS from a dealership, and a lot of stuff has gone wrong in the 13 months, 23,000 miles, (this last awful New England winter didn't help either!) since I've had it. It feels pretty good to have 4 things wrong with your car and have them all fixed for free. Plus you get a free POS rental car to beat on all week.

Most of you might recall how I rated Cadillacs low when it comes to overall luxury because one of my main beleifs is that relatively low mile luxury cars should not have to be fixed constantly like Caddies always have to be...

I've had to fix a $2800 oil leak (paid for), a strut, both rear bushings, the alternator core, cooling fan, TCM, window motors, and untold frayed/corroded wires.

Please, If anyone ever buys a used/pre-owned caddy that is just a few years old. Do yourself a favor and get the best extended warrantee you can get. I 95% guarantee that you'll get back what you paid for it over the life of the warrantee. In some cases like mine, it will really save your ass. LATER.

BeelzeBob
06-20-03, 12:26 PM
I totally agree. 100%. Get the warranty. I bought my ETC used from a dealer and I was given the option to extend the warranty at the point of sale. I did - to 100,000 miles. It saved me nearly $10,000.00 in repairs over the course of 2 years...

That being said, newer Caddys are built much better. The quality is improving - and the reliability is as well...

AirJigga25
06-20-03, 12:32 PM
I totally agree. 100%. Get the warranty. I bought my ETC used from a dealer and I was given the option to extend the warranty at the point of sale. I did - to 100,000 miles. It saved me nearly $10,000.00 in repairs over the course of 2 years...

That being said, newer Caddys are built much better. The quality is improving - and the reliability is as well...

What year was your ETC again?

Katshot
06-20-03, 01:26 PM
Overall, I always suggest to NOT get the add-on warranties but in this case, I would tend to agree that the Caddy's propensity for break-downs (and USUALLY expensive ones) could easily make a case FOR the warranties. I would STILL maintain that all are not created equal and the customer should CAREFULLY read the contract over prior to buying. Many make it VERY hard to get a rapair covered.

AirJigga25
06-20-03, 02:29 PM
Overall, I always suggest to NOT get the add-on warranties but in this case, I would tend to agree that the Caddy's propensity for break-downs (and USUALLY expensive ones) could easily make a case FOR the warranties. I would STILL maintain that all are not created equal and the customer should CAREFULLY read the contract over prior to buying. Many make it VERY hard to get a rapair covered.

I recommend Xtra Care by First Automotive. O deductible is best. If you have the dealer call it in you have zero hassles. They make you go to the dealer you bought it at though.

ravensfire
10-07-03, 09:21 PM
I'm talking 1984 on back.
Of course there are two standards that must be met when choosing one of these beasts:

1. get one that has already had the transmission rebuilt.(they all go sooner or later. Mine went at about 120,000).
2. Do not get one that is nearing 150,000 miles(it seems to be at about this point that the head gaskets go)And why replace them soon after b

Now I realize that there is probably a lot of laughing going on because I have said this. People are probably wondering who would willingly purchase a car with an HT-4100(most likely)? Sure it's underpowered and tends to blow up as I've already said, but a full set of new headgaskets will only run you about 300 bucks.

And now the good part:
In the two years since my transmission was replaced, my '83 (130,000mi+) has only needed three replacement parts.
1. the thermostat
2. the exhaust system(stupid salty roads)
3. the fuel pump

Now, for this car none of these items are very expensive. And you can have the pleasure of driving a tank.
These cars were built to last.

Lindsey

El Dobro
10-07-03, 10:39 PM
I bought my 98 SLS along with a GMPP extended warranty less than 6 months ago and it's already had over $6000 in repairs done to it. Am I glad I took the warranty with the car? You're damn right I did and it still has 2 1/2 years to go. The car had 59,000 miles on it when I bought it.

Ralph
10-08-03, 01:42 AM
Air, your 1997 Caddy had 23,000 miles on it when you bought it? Correct me if I misunderstood this, but personally I would never think of paying that much for warrenty coverage. I would also think it is low mileage enough that I would not have to worry about any major repair, considering it is of decent quality. For me, $1600 dollars buys a lot of repairs, IF I need them. My philosophy is, what if I pay that much and NEVER need it while I own it?! Do you know if you got a Monday or Friday car, or if it was abused?? Personally, I don't bother with extended warrenties, USUALLY you don't need them, but if you can afford it, go for it. For example, recently I bought a Swiss watch, the extended warrenty was half the cost of the watch, if I wanted it! I figured why get the warrenty, I know a repair shop that will fix it for 50 bucks! I may void my warrenty doing this, but who cares. ;)

AirJigga25
11-30-03, 10:20 PM
Air, your 1997 Caddy had 23,000 miles on it when you bought it? Correct me if I misunderstood this, but personally I would never think of paying that much for warrenty coverage. I would also think it is low mileage enough that I would not have to worry about any major repair, considering it is of decent quality. For me, $1600 dollars buys a lot of repairs, IF I need them. My philosophy is, what if I pay that much and NEVER need it while I own it?! Do you know if you got a Monday or Friday car, or if it was abused?? Personally, I don't bother with extended warrenties, USUALLY you don't need them, but if you can afford it, go for it. For example, recently I bought a Swiss watch, the extended warrenty was half the cost of the watch, if I wanted it! I figured why get the warrenty, I know a repair shop that will fix it for 50 bucks! I may void my warrenty doing this, but who cares. ;)
62,000.

Ralph
11-30-03, 10:24 PM
Air, I saw the new Acura TL's today, man are they ever nice. No brochure can do justice to the looks of that car! And they come fully loaded, not much for options. Have you decided on your next car yet?

AirJigga25
11-30-03, 10:53 PM
Air, I saw the new Acura TL's today, man are they ever nice. No brochure can do justice to the looks of that car! And they come fully loaded, not much for options. Have you decided on your next car yet?
The New AC TL's looked like a winner from day 1. I love that Acura commercial as the highway gets constructed as it drives forward. 270 horsepower would be nice. My 240 is great for a 2 door. The only disadvantage to cadillac is that the Acura/Honda's both don't have the big soft seats and the smooth suspensions like Caddy. . Plus driving a Caddy, you can pear down the hood at that big beautiful Cadillac Crest.

Ralph
12-01-03, 01:24 AM
I like seats as firm as I can get 'em. When you have 2 discs out, you need it. :yup: How much torque on that V6 Honda?

AirJigga25
12-01-03, 10:07 AM
I like seats as firm as I can get 'em. When you have 2 discs out, you need it. :yup: How much torque on that V6 Honda?
3.0-Liter, VTEC(TM), 60-Degree V6, 24-Valve, SOHC, MPFI Engine; Front Mounted With Horsepower Of 240@6250 and Torque Of 212@5000

elwesso
12-01-03, 07:45 PM
IMO I wouldnt buy a cadillac without a warranty.... Too many expensive things tend to fail taht I cant fix via DIY. UNLESS i had a good maintenance history of EVERYTHING maintenance oriented accounted for, and even some going above and beyond....

I had the option of getting an extended warranty for my Q.... After research, I found out that nearly all the common problems can be fixed DIY (minus tranny failures, but thats inevitable).... So I opted not to.... Do I regret it, NO. I love DIYing, and I wouldnt want to waste my money and then do something and have it void it!

About the type of warranty, you must be very careful... There was a major insurance company that went bankrupt, and a lot of extended warranty companys are getting there too (warranty gold and 1sourceautowarranty come to mind as major co.).... About the only one that is still living is www.autowarrantybrokers.com , and inevitably it wont be long before it goes out with the rest of them..

That being said, I think the best warranty to get is the dealer warranty, or none at all.... You may overpay, but then if the company goes to shit then you can have the dealer mess with your car on their tab..... GO BIG OR GO HOME BABY!!

powerglide
12-03-03, 09:45 PM
I wish I had an extended warranty....seems like every time I goto the dealer something else gets broken......whats goin on with these caddy dealers?

Elvis
12-03-03, 10:26 PM
...you step away from the computer for a few days, and BAM! Sorry I missed all the excitement.

I drove the TL. It's a first-class winner. Best thing Honda ever built, period. Right now, it looks like my final decision will be between the TL and a 2001-02 DeVille. The DeVille will probably win out on price.

powerglide
12-03-03, 10:41 PM
...you step away from the computer for a few days, and BAM! Sorry I missed all the excitement.

I drove the TL. It's a first-class winner. Best thing Honda ever built, period. Right now, it looks like my final decision will be between the TL and a 2001-02 DeVille. The DeVille will probably win out on price.
Ya you did.....
My 2 cents on the TL.
I drove one recenlty and drove the Honda Accord Inspire in Tokyo (I thinks its the same car) anyways, it was sweet but felt just like my 1998 Accord v6. It felt a bit small (although it really isn't) I like more space on the seats and legs head and knees ....not to mention back seat......I think the TL would cost you less to own and in the end, trade or sell for much more than the Caddy (my humble opinion) for example the 98 Accord I paid 24K$ new and sold 4 years later with 75k miles on it for 18K$, hard to beat that kinda value.....but with that said I prefer the comfort and size of the caddy. US automakers are the BEST in the world when it comes to making big comfy highway cruisers. If you're in the market for one of these things, Caddy does it best! No one can make a Lazy boy float over the interstate better than Caddy. (especially if you have bumper-bumper warranty on the Cad)......also after spending time in Japan, its hard to buy into the Lexus/Acura/Infinity badging cuz they are all just Toyota/Honda/Nissan ober there.......

AirJigga25
12-04-03, 12:26 AM
Ya you did.....
My 2 cents on the TL.
I drove one recenlty and drove the Honda Accord Inspire in Tokyo (I thinks its the same car) anyways, it was sweet but felt just like my 1998 Accord v6. It felt a bit small (although it really isn't) I like more space on the seats and legs head and knees ....not to mention back seat......I think the TL would cost you less to own and in the end, trade or sell for much more than the Caddy (my humble opinion) for example the 98 Accord I paid 24K$ new and sold 4 years later with 75k miles on it for 18K$, hard to beat that kinda value.....but with that said I prefer the comfort and size of the caddy. US automakers are the BEST in the world when it comes to making big comfy highway cruisers. If you're in the market for one of these things, Caddy does it best! No one can make a Lazy boy float over the interstate better than Caddy. (especially if you have bumper-bumper warranty on the Cad)......also after spending time in Japan, its hard to buy into the Lexus/Acura/Infinity badging cuz they are all just Toyota/Honda/Nissan ober there.......
^ this guys on point. Accord V6 is extremely similar to the TL and both are good investments. They aren't anywhere near as comfortable as a caddy..they're smaller with much more rigid seats.

Caddy' s along with a few other domestic cars, are built with comfort in mind. I just tested a black 03 DTS and damn, it was comfy and it was a joy to drive that big American V8. (however I like the bench seat is the normal Devilles more though.)

I'm gonna miss pushing the big hulking v8 hood around and having the cadillac crest guide me wherever I go.:( I'll get another one when the time is right though.

powerglide
12-04-03, 12:47 AM
^ this guys on point. Accord V6 is extremely similar to the TL and both are good investments. They aren't anywhere near as comfortable as a caddy..they're smaller with much more rigid seats.

Caddy' s along with a few other domestic cars, are built with comfort in mind. I just tested a black 03 DTS and damn, it was comfy and it was a joy to drive that big American V8. (however I like the bench seat is the normal Devilles more though.)

I'm gonna miss pushing the big hulking v8 hood around and having the cadillac crest guide me wherever I go.:( I'll get another one when the time is right though.

I agree with you on the bench vs bucket too.
When Caddy went from the 99 Deville to the 2000 models they changed the seats....they stitched it up so the actually 'sitting area' looks smaller ( I think it feels smaller too) they did that on the buckets AND the bench which kinda ruins the big couch feel.....I mean the becn is the same size as the previous model but they sstiched it up to make it look smaller and feel smaller which kinda seems convoluted..... (although it does make it look more modern, probably more suport?)
I can't remember where I'm going with this......how about "Bench Seats Rock!"



w.r.t. to 'I'm gonna miss pushing the big hulking v8 hood ...' What happened to your Seville?

AirJigga25
12-04-03, 01:00 AM
I agree with you on the bench vs bucket too.
When Caddy went from the 99 Deville to the 2000 models they changed the seats....they stitched it up so the actually 'sitting area' looks smaller ( I think it feels smaller too) they did that on the buckets AND the bench which kinda ruins the big couch feel.....I mean the becn is the same size as the previous model but they sstiched it up to make it look smaller and feel smaller which kinda seems convoluted..... (although it does make it look more modern, probably more suport?)
I can't remember where I'm going with this......how about "Bench Seats Rock!"



w.r.t. to 'I'm gonna miss pushing the big hulking v8 hood ...' What happened to your Seville?
the bench seats definitely make the devilles feel way more roomy. The DTS didn't feel right, i felt like I was still in a seville.

my seville..:( .uh...i sold it and on friday and got a loaded Accord EX V6 coupe. The move was purely financial. Also...the new ride is better for crowded boston hellhole driving/parking. I'm happy with it so far.

powerglide
12-04-03, 01:17 AM
the bench seats definitely make the devilles feel way more roomy. The DTS didn't feel right, i felt like I was still in a seville.

my seville..:( .uh...i sold it and on friday and got a loaded Accord EX V6 coupe. The move was purely financial. Also...the new ride is better for crowded boston hellhole driving/parking. I'm happy with it so far.
hahah nice! thats the new acura-looking coupe right! Those are SWEET!
The feeling of never having to worry about reliability is something you can get used to..... Now a days I am kinda positively surprised every time the car starts up...not to mention the never ending to-do list of minor things I keep meaning to fix but probably will never get to until the week before I am selling the car.....Cheers to you new ride.

AirJigga25
12-04-03, 01:23 AM
hahah nice! thats the new acura-looking coupe right! Those are SWEET!
The feeling of never having to worry about reliability is something you can get used to..... Now a days I am kinda positively surprised every time the car starts up...not to mention the never ending to-do list of minor things I keep meaning to fix but probably will never get to until the week before I am selling the car.....Cheers to you new ride.Thanks.
yeah the tail looks like an Ac and the front grill looks like an Ac. In the new Acura TL commercials one might mistake it for a honda at first.

I still want a caddy for a sunday driver though. The next one will be paid for in cash or else I'll just inherit that baby blue eldo convertible in my profile.

powerglide
12-04-03, 01:49 AM
Thanks.
yeah the tail looks like an Ac and the front grill looks like an Ac. In the new Acura TL commercials one might mistake it for a honda at first.

I still want a caddy for a sunday driver though. The next one will be paid for in cash or else I'll just inherit that baby blue eldo convertible in my profile.

yup they look real similar from certain angles.....maybe the interiors are more different....it makes buying the Honda an even greater bargain/"investment"!

I have been switching from Japanese to European to American to Japanese to Euro to ...you get the picture. Right now I am at the American car part of my schizoprenic car ownership cycle. I love the big comfy ride and the superlite steering feel and v8 american ride, but also love the no nonense Japanese cars and the finincial advantages of owning a reliable and high resale Japanese ride, but I am also a sucker for a spine jarring stiff seat eurosport blasting around corners no-body roll! Mostly I buy what I feel like and what makes sense at the time (i.e I bought a 2000 M5 in Tokyo cuz they were dirt cheap and abundant, also I only had time to drive on weekends). Now I'm back in the US and I drive long distance, need comfort and space, gas is dirt cheap and so are Caddies (the 98 Deville was going for about 25-30K $ back in Tokyo)
Maybe the thing to do is the Honda for the daily driver/ cad for the w.e. cruisin/ maybe a Mercedes 600SL for the ladies.....