: interesting read about car sales in 09, Cadillac mentioned



haterinc
02-05-09, 09:44 AM
this right-wing hippie obviously must have never driven a 500+hp supercharged car... GOD bless tree huggers, electric cars, and hell while we're at it... little boobs... no frills, no curves, no fun for anyone... :bonkers:

Unsold Car Images From Around The World
Mike "Mish" Shedlock

The Guardian has a series of 10 images about the Growing stocks of unsold cars around the world. I encourage you to click on the link to see them all. Here are a few of my favorites:

Nissan has announced plans to cut its Sunderland workforce by 1,200. Thousands of unsold cars are stored around the factory's test track. Photograph: Nigel Roddis/Reuters






Imported cars stored at Sheerness open storage area awaiting delivery to dealers
Photograph: David Goddard/Getty



The build-up of imported cars at the port of Newark, New Jersey
Photograph: Mark Lennihan/AP



Newly imported cars fill the 150-acre site at the Toyota distribution centre in Long Beach, California. Photograph: David McNew/Getty



Several of the images are very artistic such as the third one above (Newark). It was tough to make a selection.

Here are some related articles.

Nissan cuts send shockwaves across north-east

"Everyone knows someone who works at Nissan," says Elaine Thoms, and she speaks for the whole of Washington and plenty of Wearside towns beyond.

Fallout from job cuts at the carmaker, which is shedding a quarter of its 4,900 workforce, is rippling from the factory overlooking Sunderland across the whole of north-east England.

"My dad was one of the first to go," says Elaine. "He's one of the ones who left before Christmas at Unipress [Nissan's instrument panel supplier, which announced 90 further job cuts on Tuesday]. He thought he'd do best to get out early and find something else. But no one's taking on."

Honda to extend shut-down at Swindon plant

Friday 16 January 2009 12.48 GMT
Honda said this morning it was halting production at its Swindon plant in April and May, extending the two-month closure announced before Christmas to four months.

The company said in November that it would halt production in February and March, with 4,800 workers receiving full basic pay.

Today the company said that because of the continuing fall in demand it was extending the closure, with workers getting 50% of their pay.

Honda's move adds to the deepening gloom in the UK car industry. Nissan has announced plans to cut its Sunderland workforce by 1,200 people, and earlier this week Jaguar Land Rover said 450 jobs would go.






US car workers protest against wage cuts at glitzy launch

Car workers vented their anger at bearing the brunt of swinging cutbacks as the world's top manufacturers orchestrated glitzy launches of eco-friendly vehicles at Detroit's motor show.

Noisy protesters blamed Wall Street's excesses for the credit crunch, which has frozen up car loans to consumers, leaving showrooms bereft of customers. Workers carried banners with messages such as "Cutting wages won't solve Detroit's crisis".

Negotiations with the United Auto Workers' union began this week. Ford is also seeking cuts, although it has not received a government loan, on the grounds that it needs parity with its rivals.




Toyota tells managers to buy one of its own cars

More than 2,000 managers at Toyota have been "encouraged" to buy one of the firm's cars in an attempt to boost morale, as Japan's biggest carmaker braces itself for its first operating loss in more than 70 years.

The company said its 2,200 general managers had agreed to the unprecedented move at informal meetings last month, and insisted they would not be coerced into buying Toyota cars or punished if they failed to do so.

"This is not company policy and in no way mandatory, but more of a form of unofficial encouragement," Toyota spokeswoman Ririko Takeuchi told the Guardian.

Even if every manager heeds the latest call to arms, it is unlikely to make much of a dent in Toyota's inventory. Faced with a soaring yen and a collapse in the export market, Toyota is laying off 3,000 temporary workers and closing all 12 of its domestic plants for 11 days in February and March, reducing production by as many as 200,000 vehicles.



UAW Backs Idea of 'Car Czar'

The head of the United Auto Workers union said Monday that he would like the government to appoint a "car czar" who "knows something about the auto industry" to oversee the restructuring of the Big Three.

On the sidelines of the Detroit auto show, UAW President Ron Gettelfinger said he doesn't favor putting a Wall Street expert in the post.
In related news, union representative Iam A. Fox was quoted as saying he backed the idea of putting a chicken expert in charge of security at the henhouse.

History Repeats At Cadillac

Three months after the 1929 stock-market crash, Cadillac premiered at the New York auto show its Series 452 with a 185-horsepower V-16 engine designed to trump chief rival Packard's V-12.

Fast-forward almost 80 years: Cadillac is ready for another flagship, perhaps something along the lines of the gorgeous Sixteen concept that was first shown in 2003. Except, once again, the economy isn't ready. Worse, once-mighty GM doesn't even have the money to spend on such a project -- it's got Chevy Volts and Cruzes that badly need building.

All this explains why GM is taking a bigger gamble now than it did in 1929 and launching up to 10 new Cadillacs in the next five years. But it has no choice. The future of American luxury is at stake.
No Choice? What kind of statement is that? Of course GM has a choice. GM has a history of making choices, most of them horrible: ResCap, not dumping GMAC, not dumping the Hummer on time, launching the Saturn line which has never had a profitable year in its entire history, caving in to ridiculous union demand the worst of which was granting 90% pay for laid off workers, too many models in general, etc.

Who cares if GM never produces another luxury car? Hardly anyone buys them anyway. With GM's new lease on life at taxpayer expense, it ought to figure out how to do one thing right rather than attempt to do 100 things, and get all of them wrong.
Auto Prices About To Crash

With unsold cars stacking up by the day, demand falling faster, and bailout silliness getting sillier, I have three easy to make predictions.

1) Hundreds of dealerships are headed for bankruptcy in 2009
2) The Fed Is Destined To Become World's Largest Auto Dealership
3) Cars are going to get cheaper, much cheaper. Auto prices will crash. Liquidation sales later this year after the 2010 models come out are going to be fabulous.

It makes no sense to buy a car now, no matter how good the deal looks. The deals will get progressively better as the year rolls on.

UnsafeAtAnySpd
02-05-09, 10:49 AM
Right-wing hippie?

P-Funk
02-05-09, 10:57 AM
Right-wing hippie?

He lost me there too.

haterinc
02-05-09, 11:19 AM
no offense to either of you lol

The Tony Show
02-05-09, 11:26 AM
lawlz at "Right Wing Hippie"- that's like "Anorexic Cake Addict". :lol:

Just another article by an uninformed douchebag who thinks he knows far more about the car business than he really does. Since the housing market crumbled and affected every business out there, everyone seems to think they're an expert on the Auto Industry. Nothing to see here. :yawn:

whisler151
02-05-09, 11:36 AM
this right-wing hippie...

I think you meant left-wing hippie. And don't worry about offending anyone on here. The V series of Cadillac do not really go along with the left-wing tree hugger agenda.

EDIT: As you were.

haterinc
02-05-09, 11:36 AM
oxymoron indeed was the point

its too bad the pics wouldn't copy over of the sea of cars... but in advance on behalf of everyone else without an opinion, i'd like to thank TTS for once again knowing it all... zzzzzzzzzzzzz

NormV
02-05-09, 11:39 AM
Funny to see the Jap's incentives right behind the domestics last month. Negative stuff makes the news though!

Norm

haterinc
02-05-09, 11:40 AM
whisler, off topic, i guess not that this thread had a topic to begin with, just another thread for everyone to show their vastly opinionated knowledge... but how was the install of your Kooks headers and performance...? You happy with them? i've heard mixed reviews

Cadillac Tony
02-05-09, 11:45 AM
Everyone has their opinions, but honestly- it's called a global economic downturn. Watching writers who know nothing about the business suddenly try to blame the fizzling auto industry on the actions of the automakers is laughable.

People were gobbling up huge SUVs as fast as GM and Ford could build them for 15 years- so much so that even Toyota and Nissan jumped into the SUV game. Suddenly, the world economy takes a dump, vehicles stop selling, and GM and Ford are lambasted by Congress for building too many trucks and SUVs.

There's no magic knee jerk reaction that is going to jumpstart the industry. Until the global economy stabilizes, banks start loaning money and people stop seeing nothing but bad news on TV, consumers are sitting on their cash. The sick Auto industry is a symptom of the larger problem, not the problem itself.

whisler151
02-05-09, 11:51 AM
whisler, off topic, i guess not that this thread had a topic to begin with, just another thread for everyone to show their vastly opinionated knowledge... but how was the install of your Kooks headers and performance...? You happy with them? i've heard mixed reviews

The install was great. I think it was $400, which included them fabricating off road pipes. The tune was another story.

I baseline dyno'd at 323rwhp and now i'm 350rwhp. That is close to the average gain from headers and tune. Even if I didnt get any rwhp out of it, the sound that I got made all the difference in the world. I wish I would have done it sooner.

I have had zero issues thus far. 20k miles on them and no burnt wires and no loud ticking from the engine. I did not have mine coated or wrapped. You will be very happy if you get Kooks.

You thinking about getting them?

haterinc
02-05-09, 11:53 AM
;) i'll agree with some of that but as an engineer at a GM plant in the past, and heck even at GE in the past, watching the complacency of american unions at work is the reason the hourly wage cost of american autos is more than twice that of the jap autos made in america. the big 3 have been facilitating their own problem for years and tough times in the economy has forced them to risk going out of business. it will be very interesting indeed

proexpert
02-05-09, 11:53 AM
I hope to be a V2 owner soon, screw the tree huggers. My neighbor got a SmartCar, so he can make up for my V2. :D

haterinc
02-05-09, 11:56 AM
been talking to kooks and ar as well about their upcoming productions. jury is still out on which ones, but as long as they have the dyno #'s to back up the cost i'm interested.

main reason why you didn't coat/wrap them?

whisler151
02-05-09, 12:02 PM
main reason why you didn't coat/wrap them?

When I want something I want it yesterday. So as soon as I got the headers in the mail I drove to the shop and had them do it. I didn't want to wait another few days to have them coated...the wrap looks ugly in my opinion.

My engine temp has not increased and I have not seen any adverse affects. Some people say that with headers, no cats and x-pipe they received too much unwanted attention from the police. I have had zero problems and do a lot of city driving.

Luna.
02-05-09, 02:59 PM
Everyone has their opinions, but honestly- it's called a global economic downturn. Watching writers who know nothing about the business suddenly try to blame the fizzling auto industry on the actions of the automakers is laughable.

People were gobbling up huge SUVs as fast as GM and Ford could build them for 15 years- so much so that even Toyota and Nissan jumped into the SUV game. Suddenly, the world economy takes a dump, vehicles stop selling, and GM and Ford are lambasted by Congress for building too many trucks and SUVs.

There's no magic knee jerk reaction that is going to jumpstart the industry. Until the global economy stabilizes, banks start loaning money and people stop seeing nothing but bad news on TV, consumers are sitting on their cash. The sick Auto industry is a symptom of the larger problem, not the problem itself.

Well said Tony, very well said.

Especially for a car salesman... :D

Cadillac Tony
02-05-09, 03:07 PM
Yah, us kar salesmun arent normully two smart. :pwn:

:D

Razorecko
02-05-09, 03:29 PM
^ Tony do you know if a dealer can make changes to a vehicle's order as long as its before the build date ? Or once the build order is in its too late to change anything ?

Cadillac Tony
02-05-09, 03:34 PM
Yes they can, but it will get removed from the system, then re-entered. Doing that normally delays the build about two to three weeks.

RapidRob
02-05-09, 06:57 PM
^^^ Well - that settles it for me ... no recaros or auto tranny for me;)

Thanks Tony!

Rob