: Depreciation Value?



V-Love
02-03-09, 09:00 AM
This is killin' me. Will these things depreciate already!?! I need to pick one up 2nd hand. How long before we start seeing used ones? Do you guys think they will drop in price like the V1? Although, that was the hardest drop ever.

MacOSR
02-03-09, 09:24 AM
Yes, they will. I predict that sometime this summer you will be able to get one for about 30% under the original sticker.

P-Funk
02-03-09, 10:11 AM
Yes, they will. I predict that sometime this summer you will be able to get one for about 30% under the original sticker.

If that's the case, I may be getting one sooner than I expected. :D

Kadonny
02-03-09, 10:12 AM
Wow, what a topic. Our loss is your gain is that how it goes?

Sorry, just a bit put off that users are clamoring for the car to lose value already after 3 months of being on the road.

Florian
02-03-09, 10:19 AM
figure 30% depreciation the first year.....you should be able to pick one up after the summer rush for 45K or less.


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CIWS
02-03-09, 10:34 AM
This is killin' me. Will these things depreciate already!?! I need to pick one up 2nd hand. How long before we start seeing used ones? Do you guys think they will drop in price like the V1? Although, that was the hardest drop ever.

I think they will fair better than the V1, but almost any car depreciates worse than most owners would like.

thebigjimsho
02-03-09, 11:05 AM
fare.

And the V1's big drop wasn't the first summer. It took about a year before the quick dip, then it leveled off over the next few years...

flyingv
02-03-09, 12:24 PM
Just be happy that you guys didn't buy Sts V's. Bought one in Jan. of 2007 for $60,000, tried to trade it in on a 2009 Cts V and was told they would give me $22,000 for a car w/ 30,000 miles (Only $20,000 less than I owe and the banks won't approve loans with negative equity added in. Don't plan on these cars being worth anything in the future.

thebigjimsho
02-03-09, 12:59 PM
$22G? Man, that's cheap for a lazyman car...

CIWS
02-03-09, 02:54 PM
Just be happy that you guys didn't buy Sts V's. Bought one in Jan. of 2007 for $60,000, tried to trade it in on a 2009 Cts V and was told they would give me $22,000 for a car w/ 30,000 miles (Only $20,000 less than I owe and the banks won't approve loans with negative equity added in. Don't plan on these cars being worth anything in the future.

Hmmm, to be honest there's something missing from this. How long did you finance the car for, 60 months ? If so you haven't been paying on the loan long enough to bring it's value down close to that of a trade-in. At least 36-42 months depending on payment. I'm assuming it's an 06 STS-V, to be fair they should be offering you 27-30K, depending upon it's condition and how much they are looking at needing to put into the car. But in any case if it's in good to excellent condition, they should be able to sell it for around 34K, which means they are low balling the hell out of you, or it's got some kind of history on it.

dqw1
02-03-09, 03:09 PM
04 V, 65K miles=$12,000 (trade in value)
The bottom has fell out of the bucket. I might as well keep it.

GM-4-LIFE
02-03-09, 03:14 PM
I don't think the V2 will drop 30% that fast. I think that once the car has been out at least a year or so, it may drop, but I am sure GM will raise the price of the V2 like they did on the second year Z06.

I bought my V2 so I really don't care as I will be keeping mine for at least a few years.

SG

haterinc
02-03-09, 03:20 PM
it is all supply and demand... the price really won't start falling on them till GM has caught up on production and they're sitting around on the lots... you can expect to see some 09 models being sold well under invoice in December/Jan but 30% off this year is a little dreamy for some of you LOL

Florian
02-03-09, 03:40 PM
$22G? Man, that's cheap for a lazyman car...

relax, dumplin. :tisk:


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V-Love
02-03-09, 04:59 PM
Wow, what a topic. Our loss is your gain is that how it goes?

Sorry, just a bit put off that users are clamoring for the car to lose value already after 3 months of being on the road.

Don't take it personal. I just really have to get this car. After buying two V1's off the lot, I can't afford a new one right now. If there was any way, I would be on my way to see Tony.
Pesonally, I think because of the shutdown at the factory and lack of available Recaros, they will do much better than the V1's. You can never lose buying a V. Even though I paid new, It was worth it to have such a limited car. I still don't see too many V1's on the road and it still impresses my when I drive it.
I just want to be in your club.:worship:

NormV
02-03-09, 06:36 PM
Just be happy that you guys didn't buy Sts V's. Bought one in Jan. of 2007 for $60,000, tried to trade it in on a 2009 Cts V and was told they would give me $22,000 for a car w/ 30,000 miles (Only $20,000 less than I owe and the banks won't approve loans with negative equity added in. Don't plan on these cars being worth anything in the future.

That's an auction price for a STS-V. Co-worker just bought one in the mid $20's. Price is the same a 06 CTS-V!

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?ct=u&car_id=256582214&dealer_id=54067426&car_year=2006&rdm=1233699527775&model=STS&num_records=25&systime=&make2=&highlightFirstMakeModel=&start_year=2004&keywordsfyc=__c3RzLXY,__&keywordsfyc=&keywordsrep=115116115045118&keywordsrep=&engine=&certified=&body_code=0&fuel=&awsp=false&search_type=both&distance=0&marketZipError=false&search_lang=en&showZipError=n&make=CAD&keywords_display=sts-v&color=&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&min_price=&drive=&default_sort=priceASC&seller_type=b&max_mileage=&style_flag=1&sort_type=priceASC&address=44805&advanced=y&end_year=2010&doors=&transmission=&max_price=27000&cardist=71&standard=false

Norm

thebigjimsho
02-03-09, 07:32 PM
relax, dumplin. :tisk:


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thebigjimsho
02-03-09, 07:33 PM
Wow, what a topic. Our loss is your gain is that how it goes?

Sorry, just a bit put off that users are clamoring for the car to lose value already after 3 months of being on the road.
That's right, rich boy...

haterinc
02-03-09, 07:51 PM
Lol this board cracks me up

GM-4-LIFE
02-03-09, 08:09 PM
Lol this board cracks me up

I agree! So many jokesters!

SG

Luna.
02-03-09, 09:01 PM
I don't see many dealers backing off of MSRP much and some are still very much over sticker. Drop 30% that fast? I highly doubt it.

GM-4-LIFE
02-03-09, 09:15 PM
I don't see many dealers backing off of MSRP much and some are still very much over sticker. Drop 30% that fast? I highly doubt it.

And with rumors that GM is going to increase the price even more and cut production volume on the CTS-V, supply will go down while demand goes up. With this in mind, how can the value of the car drop 30%?

SG

JEM
02-03-09, 09:20 PM
And with rumors that GM is going to increase the price even more and cut production volume on the CTS-V, supply will go down while demand goes up. With this in mind, how can the value of the car drop 30%?

The best price support for any year-old used car is that used car purchases don't pay gas-guzzler tax*

*but don't say it too loud or God knows what Obama's crew will do.

CSX
02-04-09, 06:28 AM
Wow, what a topic. Our loss is your gain is that how it goes?

Sorry, just a bit put off that users are clamoring for the car to lose value already after 3 months of being on the road.

It's the unfortunate truth that luxury cars take a beating in resale value. Seems particularly true for niche luxury-sport vehicles like the CTS-V. Take for example, Chrylser's SRT8 line. A little over a year after its release, many 300 SRT8s could be had for around half of its original MSRP.

And I just found this on eBay...4 model years old, original sticker around $180k, now being sold for less than 30% of that.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Cars-Trucks___2005-CL65-AMG-One-owner-SUPERCAR-1-OF-142-%20%20BUILT_W0QQitemZ320335995274QQddnZCarsQ20Q26Q 20TrucksQQddiZ2282QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Truck s?hash=item320335995274&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=72:317

Not everyone's in a financial position to afford a brand new vehicle, but with the depreciation these cars will inevitably face, I don't see how it's wrong to hold out for a used one at a much more feasible price.

CIWS
02-04-09, 09:55 AM
That's an auction price for a STS-V. Co-worker just bought one in the mid $20's. Price is the same a 06 CTS-V!

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?ct=u&car_id=256582214&dealer_id=54067426&car_year=2006&rdm=1233699527775&model=STS&num_records=25&systime=&make2=&highlightFirstMakeModel=&start_year=2004&keywordsfyc=__c3RzLXY,__&keywordsfyc=&keywordsrep=115116115045118&keywordsrep=&engine=&certified=&body_code=0&fuel=&awsp=false&search_type=both&distance=0&marketZipError=false&search_lang=en&showZipError=n&make=CAD&keywords_display=sts-v&color=&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&min_price=&drive=&default_sort=priceASC&seller_type=b&max_mileage=&style_flag=1&sort_type=priceASC&address=44805&advanced=y&end_year=2010&doors=&transmission=&max_price=27000&cardist=71&standard=false

Norm

Seeing cars like that worries me. Notice there's no "Supercharged" and V badges on the doors. Now it could be they just removed them (although unlikely), or it could be the body has had work done. If they wanted to be stealthy one would think all of the V badges would be taken off.




http://rover.ebay.com/ar/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?mpt=1376933161&adtype=1&size=1x1&type=3&campid=5336121755&toolid=10001 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Cars-Trucks___2005-CL65-AMG-One-owner-SUPERCAR-1-OF-142-%20%20BUILT_W0QQitemZ320335995274QQddnZCarsQ20Q26Q 20TrucksQQddiZ2282QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Truck s?hash=item320335995274&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=72:317 (http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?type=3&campid=5336121755&toolid=10001&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Febaymotors%2FCars-Trucks___2005-CL65-AMG-One-owner-SUPERCAR-1-OF-142-%2520%2520BUILT_W0QQitemZ320335995274QQddnZCarsQ20 Q26Q20TrucksQQddiZ2282QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_T rucks%3Fhash%3Ditem320335995274%26_trksid%3Dp4506. c0.m245%26_trkparms%3D72%3A317)

Not everyone's in a financial position to afford a brand new vehicle, but with the depreciation these cars will inevitably face, I don't see how it's wrong to hold out for a used one at a much more feasible price.

That's just sad to see.

Kadonny
02-04-09, 10:39 AM
That's right, rich boy...

Who you callin a boy???

Razorecko
02-04-09, 12:00 PM
those cl65's are tempting. I'm seeing them on ebay in the 50's w/ mid teens in mileage. 0-60 under 3 and very low 11's.....hmm high 10s with dr's. So many options nowadays -lol

Florian
02-04-09, 12:32 PM
when you wanna come.







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why? you gonna be my pivot man?


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Heavychevy1
02-04-09, 12:34 PM
You'll have to face the fact that buying anything new these days is going to result in some loss. The V2 is new kid on the block so it will be immune for a short time, then it will be business as usual, people losing parts of their shirts on new purchases. With the GMS for friends and employee pricing etc. the value will take a beating. V2's will be in the mid-low 50's maybe a high 40's by the end of this year or beginning of next. I'd bet on it.

haterinc
02-04-09, 12:58 PM
^^ and where is Norm to weigh in on this? lol

silverws6ta
02-04-09, 01:16 PM
Seeing cars like that worries me. Notice there's no "Supercharged" and V badges on the doors. Now it could be they just removed them (although unlikely), or it could be the body has had work done. If they wanted to be stealthy one would think all of the V badges would be taken off.
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Agreed -- Fine exhibit below; I actually went and test drove this car back last June before buying mine.. it was NOT pampered as mine was.. had 18k on it instead of 12k, lettering was REMOVED and in the center console, they still hanging onto that price though! lol


http://www.boydpcb.com/VehicleSearchResults?pageName=PreOwnedVehicleSearc h&make=Cadillac&model=STS-V&search=preowned&search=certified&location=&bodyType=CAR&trim=&priceSearch=0&minPrice=4000&maxPrice=43000&minYear=2000&maxYear=2008&minMileage=0&maxMileage=123000&minMPG=18&maxMPG=37

NormV
02-04-09, 03:45 PM
Auction should have them in the upper 30's this time next year. Manual with no roof. With a few miles it'll broken in and the torque will be free flowing and probably still be faster than the twin turbo M5 which has too much torque already and doesn't need any more since it can't put the power down as it is. :)


Norm


^^ and where is Norm to weigh in on this? lol

haterinc
02-04-09, 03:55 PM
awesome!! and in true (n)form...

thanks you sir! LOL

Florian
02-04-09, 05:08 PM
Hey Norm....Im in Ashland all the time (usually eating lunch at Buehlers or at the range at FF&F)....we gotta hook up sometime.


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thebigjimsho
02-04-09, 09:40 PM
those cl65's are tempting. I'm seeing them on ebay in the 50's w/ mid teens in mileage. 0-60 under 3 and very low 11's.....hmm high 10s with dr's. So many options nowadays -lol
What? There is no production car on earth that does 0-60 in less than 3. You're crazy...

V-Love
02-05-09, 04:22 AM
What? There is no production car on earth that does 0-60 in less than 3. You're crazy...

Oh yeah...
YouTube - World's Fastest street production car 0 - 60 mph in 2.6 sec

asabase
02-05-09, 10:49 AM
Wow, looking at that those CL's, I'm starting to like this crap economy. It's going to be either a used E55 or used CTS-V2 for me.

Razorecko
02-05-09, 11:37 AM
lol, my mistake - under 4. To do under three you'd need either some serious dr's or awd.

Razorecko
02-05-09, 11:38 AM
Wow, looking at that those CL's, I'm starting to like this crap economy. It's going to be either a used E55 or used CTS-V2 for me.

problem is now you'll have every punk teen driving around in an e55. I just seen a couple drive down the street in chicago looking all of 18yrs old trying to look like badasses....lol i'll take the V thanks.--especially when now you have used e55 rides on the market you know a majority of the buyers can afford the vehicle but probally can't afford the maintenance.

Cadillac Tony
02-05-09, 12:30 PM
Not to rain on anyone's parade who thinks there will be $39k used Vs in a year, but wholesalers are still calling us and offering $1,000 over Line 310 (Dealer Invoice) for these cars. As long as there's not people trading them en mass, the values should hold substantially higher than the Gen 1 CTS-V.

Feel free to bookmark this post so you can come back to it in a year and call me either an idiot or a genius. :lol:

thebigjimsho
02-05-09, 01:53 PM
Not to rain on anyone's parade who thinks there will be $39k used Vs in a year, but wholesalers are still calling us and offering $1,000 over Line 310 (Dealer Invoice) for these cars. As long as there's not people trading them en mass, the values should hold substantially higher than the Gen 1 CTS-V.

Feel free to bookmark this post so you can come back to it in a year and call me either an idiot or a genius. :lol:How about when a seat makes you want to sell a 4 day old V? I know you get me good deal in 18 months. Make deal on Cadillac!

Razorecko
02-05-09, 02:03 PM
The market will be solid for this car for the next year or two. I'm a member across countless forums and I can't tell you how many people are just waiting for used v's to come out so they can 'snap 'em up. This kind of demand for a "used" vehicle will keep the used prices up nice n' high :lildevil:

thebigjimsho
02-05-09, 02:31 PM
Personally, I don't think they'll drop that much. I paid full MSRP on my V1 because it was special. 1st year model, 1st year line. But the V2 I'm just looking for someone else to take the initial hit. Plus, I've got a head start on paying for it...

StealthViggen
02-05-09, 03:06 PM
I hate to tell you guys, but these will drop just like every other limted availability , specialty car. 2008 Audi S6, list over 85K are at auction for low 40's. 07 e63's, low 40's, M6's, low 40's. Unless Obama's buy american plans have some crazy impact, these cars will be just a worthless as every other high HP, luxury car.

FreddyG
02-05-09, 04:01 PM
Just be happy that you guys didn't buy Sts V's. Bought one in Jan. of 2007 for $60,000, tried to trade it in on a 2009 Cts V and was told they would give me $22,000 for a car w/ 30,000 miles (Only $20,000 less than I owe and the banks won't approve loans with negative equity added in. Don't plan on these cars being worth anything in the future.

Sorry if this sounds offensive, but that's what I'm hoping for!

We own a Mercedes that we bought new in 2004 and fell for the stealership's rant of how they hold their value :bsflag:

We paid $62k for our car and now they're selling in the upper teens! So much for holding value.

I told myself that I wll NEVER buy another new car, but almost went back on it after I drove the new Vee! It is one heck of a car and I Will have one in my garage in the future, it just won't be new!

Once again, I Apologize to the Guys that bought them new for the future depreciation loss, but at least you get to drive them while they depreciate and that has to be worth something! :cheers:

thebigjimsho
02-05-09, 04:13 PM
I hate to tell you guys, but these will drop just like every other limted availability , specialty car. 2008 Audi S6, list over 85K are at auction for low 40's. 07 e63's, low 40's, M6's, low 40's. Unless Obama's buy american plans have some crazy impact, these cars will be just a worthless as every other high HP, luxury car.
Of course they'll drop, ding dong. It's the question of when...

StealthViggen
02-06-09, 12:43 AM
Well I look everyday for 09 v's on Manheim or Adesa. Sooner or later there will be one, and I tell you then what it went for.

thebigjimsho
02-06-09, 03:19 AM
Well I look everyday for 09 v's on Manheim or Adesa. Sooner or later there will be one, and I tell you then what it went for.
I want answers now!

JEM
02-06-09, 03:26 AM
I07 e63's, low 40's, M6's, low 40's.

E63 wagon in the low 40s I might be there. Oh man, I'd love to see that.

M6, you can crush 'em all and I won't shed a tear. The E63 6-series is just about the ugliest thing BMW's ever put on wheels.

idoitforv
03-08-09, 07:45 PM
For all you out there waiting like me, it has finally started. $57K 7K miles Cant really tell the options but it looks like a stock auto which is about $64K MSRP car after gas tax about 11% hit in 5 months. I'm likin it. Its on autotrader but dumbazz program wont let me post website link

thebigjimsho
03-08-09, 08:05 PM
usurp the program.

OldRoadDawg
03-08-09, 08:49 PM
Here's 6 listed on AutoTrader:

Used CTS-Vs (http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/searchresults.jsp?num_records=25&search_lang=en&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&search_type=used&distance=0&address=90009&marketZipError=false&style_flag=2&body_style=SEDAN&make=CAD&model=CTS&make2=&start_year=2009&end_year=2009&min_price=50000&max_price=68000&seller_type=b&transmission=&engine=8+Cylinder&drive=&doors=&fuel=&max_mileage=&color=&keywordsrep=&keywordsfyc=&keywords_display=&sort_type=priceDESC&body_code=8&certified=&advanced=y&highlightFirstMakeModel=&showZipError=n&default_sort=priceDESC&awsp=false&keywordsrep=&keywordsfyc=&systime=&rdm=1236555729006)

thebigjimsho
03-08-09, 09:09 PM
defeat it.

FreddyG
03-09-09, 01:58 PM
Thanks for the post! I was curious to see when someone would sell the first used one and also how much they'd go for.

My thoughts were that if someone used GMS to get their car, they're not losing hardly any money by selling it for that price now.

I keep telling myself to be patient, but it's hard!

M5eatr
03-09-09, 04:26 PM
Patience? Let's say you die tomorrow, or in the near future before getting your V? What did that do for you? Your last days were spent lamenting and tortured that you don't have a V2. Tha's just plain wrong if you're a cheapskate like Bigjim. But in a way I am glad to see him tortured a bit. :histeric:. If you can't afford it that's different:helpless:.

Well, I jumped in and let me tell you, it's worth it. Night and day from my '04.

thebigjimsho
03-09-09, 07:06 PM
Patience? Let's say you die tomorrow, or in the near future before getting your V? What did that do for you? Your last days were spent lamenting and tortured that you don't have a V2. Tha's just plain wrong if you're a cheapskate like Bigjim. But in a way I am glad to see him tortured a bit. :histeric:. If you can't afford it that's different:helpless:.

Well, I jumped in and let me tell you, it's worth it. Night and day from my '04.
and lemme guess, you've already got it to 204mph... :lildevil:

neuronbob
03-09-09, 10:06 PM
I keep telling myself to be patient, but it's hard!

I agree! I am constantly :jedi: myself. My job situation is secure (I work for myself and I'm crazy busy :) ), I can afford this car, have been drooling over this car for over a year, yet I still like my current car and want to get a little more mileage out of it (only 36k miles!).

Even my in-laws are telling me to just get the V if I want it, "you only live this life once". I'm starting to succomb to the pressure.......

thebigjimsho
03-10-09, 12:10 AM
I could trade in mah V1 and get a V2 now if I wanted. But I want both. And I'm only taking the hit once. I'll get mine cheaper this time...

FreddyG
03-10-09, 02:18 PM
Patience? Let's say you die tomorrow, or in the near future before getting your V? What did that do for you? Your last days were spent lamenting and tortured that you don't have a V2. Tha's just plain wrong if you're a cheapskate like Bigjim. But in a way I am glad to see him tortured a bit. :histeric:. If you can't afford it that's different:helpless:.

Well, I jumped in and let me tell you, it's worth it. Night and day from my '04.

Very Good point, but here's my line of thought: We bought my wife's Mercedes new in 2004 for somewhere in the $60k region (can't remember the exact number, but it's irrelevant), and now that car can be picked up from a dealer in the high teens/low twenties! That makes me sick how much it depreciated! I fell for the salesman's schtick of "They hold their value really well!"

Granted, it wasn't a limited production vehicle, but none the less, A LOT of money to me and if by practicing a little patience can save me a bit of coin, I'll TRY to wait! :lildevil:

Vlakaz
03-10-09, 02:27 PM
Saving money is a good thing, but I agree with the above posts, you only live once, you can't take the money with you, and if you can afford it and want it just bite the bullet and do it. :) If you don't have the $ then obviously you shoudl wait.

Also, keep in mind, that any used Vs you see over the next few months are going to have fairly low milage on them, and I can almost guarantee they have been driven extremely hard since the owners knew they were going to sell them. I'm not a mechanic, but driving a car hard from new without a good break in period can't be good in the long term.

Just a thought.

Razorecko
03-10-09, 02:33 PM
Mercedes are HORRENDOUS with resale. The new c63 amg loses about 10k in value as soon as you get off the lot !! 190,000$ cl65's from 2005 are going for 40k !!. Also I am betting the manual versions of the V will hold their value alot better because there are so few

thebigjimsho
03-10-09, 02:41 PM
hmm...

Razorecko
03-10-09, 02:43 PM
hmm...

lol yea i know what you're thinking. But realize that all mercedes dealers add an ADDITIONAL 90$/hr to the labor charges for the bi-turbo v12

Vlakaz
03-10-09, 02:48 PM
Mercedes are HORRENDOUS with resale. The new c63 amg loses about 10k in value as soon as you get off the lot !! 190,000$ cl65's from 2005 are going for 40k !!. Also I am betting the manual versions of the V will hold their value alot better because there are so few

Thats possible, and it was something I considered before buying the Auto V. I just think that a car in this price range, this size, with this much power, and with all the competition having auto boxes, it just won't attract many manual buyers in a traffic packed city.

Either way, odds are we will all lose alot of $ on resale, so I plan to keep mine for 7yrs at least. Get my value out of it :)

Hec think of it like an expensive movie... you go spend your $10 and you are entertained for 90 minutes. With this you spend your 80KCDN and are entertained everyday for years! Plus you can resell the car and get some $ back... you can't resell your ticket stub :)

Razorecko
03-10-09, 03:47 PM
^ thats pretty much the fact of life. We pay to play with anything that has some speed. Speed has the bad resale. Not the brand name or the model.

thebigjimsho
03-10-09, 04:26 PM
Facts of Life. I prefer Blair...

qtzman
03-10-09, 08:19 PM
Drive, beat, and dump by oct.

thebigjimsho
03-10-09, 08:37 PM
that's pretty weak

jianco
03-11-09, 12:33 AM
Don't hold your breath gang for 45k. If GM files BK and they stop producing the car for a while, scarcity may keep the prices up. If you have not yet driven or spent time in one, you need to experience the incredible luxury, performance and technology in this car. There is NOTHING being made for under 100k that comes close to this car. The ZR-1 is a POS compared to the V as far as total car experience.... luxury and performance. The M5 feels more cheaply made as does the E63, and neither have as much user friendly technology. Plus the V will dust them

OldDrummer55
03-11-09, 04:26 AM
I haven't seen ONE V2 in Eastern WA...

jvp
03-11-09, 09:40 AM
The ZR-1 is a POS compared to the V as far as total car experience.... luxury and performance.

That's flaming fanboi-ism right there. Anyone with even half a brain realizes that, yes, the V has more interior amenities than the Corvette does. But the ZR1 (without the hyphen. This isn't 1990) is on a performance strata that the V will never get to, from the factory.

Calling the ZR1 a POS as far as anything is concerned seems a bit.. well.. stupid.

The clue-phone is ringing. It's for you.

jas

M5eatr
03-11-09, 11:33 AM
and lemme guess, you've already got it to 204mph... :lildevil:

No but around 125. I was doing a few funs up over a ton from 70 without the radar detector yesterday. I don't know exactly because I still unsure of the gauges. They are much smaller than the V1 and the car is just freakishly smooth fast. The V1 is more of a hotrod, banging, the parade clunk, the whistling moonroof. Nothing here just pushing back in your seat fast. It has a throatier and noisier exhaust note on startup and idly, believe it or not. I did get stopped by our local Highway One boy who admired the car and informed me I was doing 82 in a 50. Explained it's a new car, Unsure of the gagues, didn't know how fast I was going, I was going to work (emergency), dressed in scrubs and pulled out my "get out of jail free cards." He let me go, thanked him profusely and was on my way. Hard to say what would have happened if I blew past him at 125+ though. If they have internet access in Riker's then I would be telling you the story from there.

Needless to say, the radar detector is back in the car today.

Ok CheapskateBigJimShow?

M5eatr
03-11-09, 12:12 PM
Very Good point, but here's my line of thought: We bought my wife's Mercedes new in 2004 for somewhere in the $60k region (can't remember the exact number, but it's irrelevant), and now that car can be picked up from a dealer in the high teens/low twenties! That makes me sick how much it depreciated! I fell for the salesman's schtick of "They hold their value really well!"

Granted, it wasn't a limited production vehicle, but none the less, A LOT of money to me and if by practicing a little patience can save me a bit of coin, I'll TRY to wait! :lildevil:

Well, what do you expect from Eurotrash? All cars lose their value. If you bought a Benz for resale, you were most surely duped. The higher price they are the more they bomb.

FreddyG
03-11-09, 01:24 PM
Well, what do you expect from Eurotrash? All cars lose their value. If you bought a Benz for resale, you were most surely duped. The higher price they are the more they bomb.

I do agree with what you're saying about resale, but I didn't buy it for resale and if you buy just about ANY car for resale, you've bought it for the wrong reason! There are exceptions to every rule, but I bought it because my wife and I have never had a Benz and wanted to give it a try. Besides, the Eurotrash Porsche's hold their value fairly well.

I've thought about an SL65 though but knowing how MB maintainence works, affording the car is not the biggest part of the picture, especially like it's been posted above about the cost of maintaining the V12 bi turbo setups! Besides, I could get into a Nice Vee for the same cost or a bit more. I like the Vee better too and in my opinion, the CTS-V is the Nicest car on the market right now!

I do have to say though, that calling the a Benz Eurotrash is just showing your ignorance!

If you'd like to compare the build quality of our 2004 E500 to the build quality of a 2004 Cadillac (you pick the one that you want to compare it to, because it doesn't matter), that would be a HUGE disappointment on your part!

The newer Cadillac's are built much better than the early 2k models were. GM has their act together as far as that goes, now they just have to get other things under control (the Union and the workers, but that's a whole different subject)!

Please don't think that I'm trying to start an argument, I'm just giving my thoughts just like you were. :cheers:

concorso
03-11-09, 01:42 PM
If you'd like to compare the build quality of our 2004 E500 to the build quality of a 2004 Cadillac (you pick the one that you want to compare it to, because it doesn't matter), that would be a HUGE disappointment on your part!
Your own personal experience is just that, your own experience. Ill compare my CTS to your E500. Mine had nothing break or wear out, except for brake pads, oil, and gasoline. ;) But in the end, its also just my experience. 1 single car.
Early 2000 Mercedes are known as the worst in Mercedes history, a fact Mercedes themselves have admitted. You may have gotten a good one, but dont get cocksure and say that all Mercedes have better reliability then Cadillac...Theres a reason why Cadillac ranked higher then Mercedes for most of the early 2000's...Audi ranks higher as well. I personally wouldnt buy anything from Mercedes out of warranty, from the late 90's until the present models.

M5eatr
03-11-09, 02:12 PM
I do agree with what you're saying about resale, but I didn't buy it for resale and if you buy just about ANY car for resale, you've bought it for the wrong reason! There are exceptions to every rule, but I bought it because my wife and I have never had a Benz and wanted to give it a try. Besides, the Eurotrash Porsche's hold their value fairly well.

I've thought about an SL65 though but knowing how MB maintainence works, affording the car is not the biggest part of the picture, especially like it's been posted above about the cost of maintaining the V12 bi turbo setups! Besides, I could get into a Nice Vee for the same cost or a bit more. I like the Vee better too and in my opinion, the CTS-V is the Nicest car on the market right now!

I do have to say though, that calling the a Benz Eurotrash is just showing your ignorance!

If you'd like to compare the build quality of our 2004 E500 to the build quality of a 2004 Cadillac (you pick the one that you want to compare it to, because it doesn't matter), that would be a HUGE disappointment on your part!

The newer Cadillac's are built much better than the early 2k models were. GM has their act together as far as that goes, now they just have to get other things under control (the Union and the workers, but that's a whole different subject)!

Please don't think that I'm trying to start an argument, I'm just giving my thoughts just like you were. :cheers:


Not picking a fight either. But in my immediate family, I am seen as the "buy American guy" and I have to consatntly defend myself against them. One brother in law, S430, another S500, another E500. My mother, E500sport, brother CLS500. Wife, GL450, just traded in early lease and new GL450. Couldn't get her into the Escalade or Denali which were my choices.

So I do know Eurotrash. The cars are way overpriced for what you get. Granted, my '04 CTS-V's build quality was not comparable to the E500 sport of the same year, but the cars had a 12-15 k difference at the time and now the resale is the same. Plus all the Benz's had some issue. All had tranny problems. Much to my surprise, I was never able to grenade my differential as others here have, evn some multipe times. I can tell you I was hard on my car. I went through 46xxx miles and three sets of tires. The car would have needed a new set soon anyway.

My point is that if you think you need a Benz because it is built better you will be disappointed. The high standard that is associated with it is false. They are great cars though, but overprced. Again, just my experience.

thebigjimsho
03-11-09, 07:45 PM
Ok CheapskateBigJimShow?
:yawn: :elitistsnob:

NormV
03-12-09, 02:24 PM
Unless GM just thew in the towel and is folding up shop, they just turned away the governments 2B installment for March. Said savings was better than expected in Jan and Feb. Which squelches the bankruptcy advocates.

Still are asking for 2.6m for April.

Norm

FreddyG
03-12-09, 02:39 PM
Your own personal experience is just that, your own experience. Ill compare my CTS to your E500. Mine had nothing break or wear out, except for brake pads, oil, and gasoline. ;) But in the end, its also just my experience. 1 single car.
Early 2000 Mercedes are known as the worst in Mercedes history, a fact Mercedes themselves have admitted. You may have gotten a good one, but dont get cocksure and say that all Mercedes have better reliability then Cadillac...Theres a reason why Cadillac ranked higher then Mercedes for most of the early 2000's...Audi ranks higher as well. I personally wouldnt buy anything from Mercedes out of warranty, from the late 90's until the present models.

I'm not getting cocksure (?) about the Mercedes, just making a statement that ours has been a Very good, reliable car and that's all I'm saying. Believe me, I'm not one of those Guys that thiks having an MB makes you "All That" because that would be the furthest thing from the truth. I'm just saying that ours has been a good car! As far as things wearing out, we've had the same experience. Nothing serious (ie: Expensive) wearing out and the caveat was that the first three years of maintainence was paid for by Benz. This was nice in case something did go wrong. We did have to buy a new cupholder though! :D

I'm just trying to make a point that just because JD Powers or whoever ranked them poorly, doesn't mean all of them are bad!


Not picking a fight either. But in my immediate family, I am seen as the "buy American guy" and I have to consatntly defend myself against them. One brother in law, S430, another S500, another E500. My mother, E500sport, brother CLS500. Wife, GL450, just traded in early lease and new GL450. Couldn't get her into the Escalade or Denali which were my choices.

So I do know Eurotrash. The cars are way overpriced for what you get. Granted, my '04 CTS-V's build quality was not comparable to the E500 sport of the same year, but the cars had a 12-15 k difference at the time and now the resale is the same. Plus all the Benz's had some issue. All had tranny problems. Much to my surprise, I was never able to grenade my differential as others here have, evn some multipe times. I can tell you I was hard on my car. I went through 46xxx miles and three sets of tires. The car would have needed a new set soon anyway.

My point is that if you think you need a Benz because it is built better you will be disappointed. The high standard that is associated with it is false. They are great cars though, but overprced. Again, just my experience.



I know that you're not trying to start an argument. It's just a bunch of Passionate Car Guys talking amongst each other! I'll never have a problem with that, as long as it doesn't get overheated! :cheers:

I do agree that they are overpriced! I'd NEVER buy a new one again!

I told my wife that when we bought it and now I really agree with it! We originally ordered an 04 E55, which is an amazing car, but I chickened out because it was WAAAAY more than I wanted to spend on a car! I'm glad that I did now, because you can get those in the high twenties/low thirties all day long now! That would've made me sicker than I feel about our car!

Am I glad that we bought an MB...................Yes, because it is a life experience that we've enjoyed (and my wife still to this day, Loves her car and that's worth it right there to me)! Would I buy another one...............Possibly for her, but I can Guarantee you that it wouldn't be new and as stated, it would have a warranty on it because maintainence/labor rates aren't cheap!

The Cadillac commercial for the CTS makes Alot of sense to me, in that it states that " When you turn your car on, does it return the favor?" (or something like that) and this car still makes my wife happy, thus making me happy! So, I have no regrets (not that it would do me any good now :D)!

If I offended anyone or gave you Guys the wrong idea about my feelings of MB compared to Cadillac, then I'm Sorry! I don't want to sound like a troll who comes on here and bashes Caddies, because that would be the furthest thing from the truth!

I already told my wife that by the end of this year, we'll have a CTS-V in our garage! In my opinion, it's the Nicest car out there now (at least for me it is)! :cheers:

StealthViggen
03-12-09, 02:52 PM
Still been looking on auction sites, and have not come across anything yet. I am hoping by the summer there should be a few.

V-Love
03-13-09, 03:45 AM
Still been looking on auction sites, and have not come across anything yet. I am hoping by the summer there should be a few.

Thanks for looking and keep us posted if you find one(after you purchase is fine). I would imagine there may be some people that bought one and can't afford to keep it in this uncertain financial period. I, for one, am not spending anything untill after the summer.

M5eatr
03-15-09, 12:12 PM
:kari4::kari4::kari2:
:yawn: :elitistsnob:

You think way too much of me Jimbo :histeric: :kari3: :kari4::kari2:

Oh and by the way who's the chick?

jvp
03-15-09, 01:10 PM
Oh and by the way who's the chick?

Kari Byron, from the Mythbusters.

Hot, hot, HOT.

jas