: Look Guys What Top Gear Have To Say About Cadillac



RERM
06-30-04, 11:35 PM
LOOK GUYS WHAT TOP GEAR HAVE TO SAY ABOUT CADILLAC :



"Cadillac specialise in making cars for people who are about to die of old age. They also have an interesting sideline in cars that look like a complete idiot designed them. However it looks like the one car they make that isn't complete rubbish won't actually make it to the great British shores. But nonetheless Richard went to have a look at what we are missing out on. The CTS is one of the very few American cars that is capable of going round a corner without sliding into a ditch. Its interior is horrid of course, but at least when you put your foot down something happens "

http://www.bbc.co.uk/topgear/thisweek/

Comments anyone?

Vesicant
07-01-04, 12:26 AM
I have a lot of friends from the UK.. and they'd agree.

The problem most of them have: It looks bland and interior/exterior things dont "flow". Its American so its automatically crap :bonkers:. They also have issues with cars using large engines that require a lot of fuel. Even if it is a V6 that gets 25 on the highway. And the suspensions are terrible.

Im use to it, and I tend to concur with a lot of their views on what the car should or shouldnt be.

Yet, with anyone... some cars catch their eyes, others dont.


Then again, what the heck kind of a car do i have? Its a euro model!

Vesicant
07-01-04, 12:42 AM
I must also say, that what i commented to.. that is a very very stereotypicalized or generalized statement about what MOST of the rest of the world thinks about American cars. And just happened to include my friends.


Not everyone hates American made vehicles. And theres examples of it right here, in this forum.

Truth is most of these people have never driven one... but who's to say whats right or wrong? Its the persons belief and feeling.

Ralph
07-01-04, 12:54 AM
The author is just jealous because of their high gas prices they are restricted to driving the Euro Focus. They WISH they could drive American luxury cars with a nice soft suspension and not a bone-jarring BMW setup. :halo:

Msilva954
07-01-04, 10:25 AM
Ralph I agree.....driving my mothers BMW is nice once in a while but I feel so stiff when getting out.....its a great change to drive an effortless Cadillac once in a while.

Randy_W
07-01-04, 10:44 PM
This from the people who brought us Lucas, Lord of Darkness!:suspect:

Msilva954
07-02-04, 10:27 AM
Yep, and from the same people that are being bought out by just about every manufature out there to improve there cars and quality. Shows you how much they know.

Rolex
07-07-04, 11:04 AM
This from the people who brought us the Mini Cooper. Hmmmmm :hmm: Maybe a big V8 American sled has more room and power then they're used to.

CoupeDevilleRob
07-09-04, 09:59 PM
The British have always hated American cars, they're just ignorant. I take any British crticism of American cars with a grain of salt. If you want to argue though, just mention the fact that the American auto industry was a major player in keeping their pathetic little island from becoming the Fatherland West.

davesdeville
07-10-04, 05:04 PM
Europeans, pffffff. Euros want a car with the weeniest engine they can find, that can turn really well. That's my summary of their taste in cars, if you can even call it taste. Cadillacs can't turn really well, and don't have weenie engines, so naturally they're not gonna be appealing to them.

Jesda
07-17-04, 10:29 AM
The British can have their high taxes, $6 gas, narrow roads, and tiny diesel deathtraps. I'll take my 300hp V8 sedan and wide open north american interstates, thank you very much.

The new Mini Cooper is a German design with German components (BMW). Ford saved Jaguar's ass, revamped the product line, and dramatically improved quality. Rolls and Bentley are now entirely German. And the world is a better place without MG -- the MX-5 Miata filled MG's void for the last 15 years without the horrid quality issues.

And over in France, Renault is up to some interesting things.

-Jesda

bustleback
09-13-06, 07:38 PM
Well i'm a brit and love all the old yank stuff and i own a 84'Seville-77'SDV and a 78'Seville.
But i do recall that a certain New cadillac uses a Saab floorpan.and most of the electricals are of european origin.:thepan:

RedGalant2k1
09-13-06, 08:33 PM
The British can have their high taxes, $6 gas, narrow roads, and tiny diesel deathtraps. I'll take my 300hp V8 sedan and wide open north american interstates, thank you very much.

The new Mini Cooper is a German design with German components (BMW). Ford saved Jaguar's ass, revamped the product line, and dramatically improved quality. Rolls and Bentley are now entirely German. And the world is a better place without MG -- the MX-5 Miata filled MG's void for the last 15 years without the horrid quality issues.

And over in France, Renault is up to some interesting things.

-Jesda

I wonder if MG still uses chokes in their engines. The last two I drove made me think I was driving a lawnmower.

I'd much rather drive a car with some decent size to it like a Cadillac DTS, or Escalade than something like a MG.

But I think your comment that they really are just jealous that our gas is several dollars cheaper, our taxes are less, and our cars consume more gas and can comfortably fit four or in many cases five people.

AznPrydeRegalRyde
09-15-06, 03:37 PM
The author is just jealous because of their high gas prices they are restricted to driving the Euro Focus. They WISH they could drive American luxury cars with a nice soft suspension and not a bone-jarring BMW setup. :halo:
Thats a Top Gear qoute from 2004. These people rub alot of American autoheads the wrong way. But most people just don't get them. They say everything for show. Clarkson owns 2 Fords, but he still 'says' every American car is rubbish. Its a great act and it makes the show entertaining. Personnally, Ill watch their show everytime over Motortrend or Car&Driver who are just not as blatantly biased.

I love sporty hard riding cars. And Last gen Caddys were about as sporty as a tube sock. I agree with their opinions about Caddy in the past. Vague steering, overly soft suspension, fwd boat, hard plastic interiors. The difference is that I don't think cheaper interior materials and floaty suspension is a bad thing. Just something different then I like.

I mean, everyone is rich enough to demand gazelle leather stiched with walrus pancreas fibre in their car, correct? If we didnt have this stuff, our days would be ruined, lol...

Jesda
09-16-06, 01:31 AM
Hello, dead thread!

I take back what I said about Renault. They suck.

El Dobro
09-16-06, 12:38 PM
That's it for the British! The next time Germany wants to invade them, we should let it happen! Oh, wait. That's right, the Germans are already there. Never mind. ;)

AznPrydeRegalRyde
09-17-06, 10:43 AM
I always find it funny when a British person criticizes an american car, and the american shoots back with some stupid comment about saving their asses in the war. Besides that fact thats just a weak come back...
It really just looks like ya have no faith in the american sports car like the vette or viper. Instead of a stupid world war 2 comment, just ask the british dude how many cars england still produce...and how many previous english cars are now owned by russians and americans.

Leeb
09-20-06, 07:51 AM
This from the people who brought us Lucas, Lord of Darkness!:suspect:

You WERE referring to the 'fail-o-matic' ignition/lighting systems, yes?
:rolleyes:

TomDeville
09-21-06, 12:03 AM
Holy Dead Thread;
Limey cars are dead.

I love the Queen; but,
Bless America instead.


Respectfully yours,

TomDeville:cool2:
:cool2:

bustleback
09-26-06, 11:43 AM
Down with the monarchy as they are german decendants ruling over a multi ethnic..(little iraq/kosovo/iran/sudanese/russian/polish etc etc) country...used to be known as the UK.
I'm planning on relocating to the states before they all take over....the english bloke will have no chance.
Its now at the point where there are more middle eastern immigrants in the uk than there is british armed forces....
Oh and did the US not buy in bulk the Rover p6 3500 V8
fitted with masses of lucas stuff....yes it did have the Buick small block in it but just the block....:worship:

Caddyshack100
09-27-06, 07:55 AM
Its a little hard for CLarkson et al to criticize American cars and Caddies in general when all they do on that show is drive really expensive one off cars, cars that are nice but what the normal man in England would never be able to afford. England, and the rest on Europe is not like North America. Over there, they promote high gas taxes to prevent people from Driving. They simply do not have the room for all the cars that the people want. The only reason that Diesel is so popular over there is because of the high taxes on fuel and the liter tax displacement. Unfortunatly, their ideas are spreading over here, there are wingnuts in Canada, who love the idea of having people jammed up in little houses with the Neighbours looking at you in the front window, they seem to believe that public transit is something that is the greatest thing since sliced bread. Give me a Big Caddy, with a long Interstate to Florida, Texas or anywhere else in North America. Not a jammed up cow road with lots of little 1 liter cars driving on it.

AznPrydeRegalRyde
09-27-06, 08:51 AM
Its a little hard for CLarkson et al to criticize American cars and Caddies in general when all they do on that show is drive really expensive one off cars, cars that are nice but what the normal man in England would never be able to afford. England, and the rest on Europe is not like North America. Over there, they promote high gas taxes to prevent people from Driving. They simply do not have the room for all the cars that the people want. The only reason that Diesel is so popular over there is because of the high taxes on fuel and the liter tax displacement. Unfortunatly, their ideas are spreading over here, there are wingnuts in Canada, who love the idea of having people jammed up in little houses with the Neighbours looking at you in the front window, they seem to believe that public transit is something that is the greatest thing since sliced bread. Give me a Big Caddy, with a long Interstate to Florida, Texas or anywhere else in North America. Not a jammed up cow road with lots of little 1 liter cars driving on it.Actually, Ive only seen them drive 1 1-off car ever, and I watch that show religously, since May, Clarkson, and Hammond took over. The GM hydrogen concept they drove a couple years ago. They do test expensive cars generally, but seldomly one off. And honestly, would you want to watch a show about Honda Civic (affordable) or an NSX? A Cobalt or a Z06 Vette?

But I do agree with most everything else youve said. We're moving to a 'smaller' lifestyle. Personnally I like that tho, big ol caddies bore me for the same reason Clarkson hates them. They're like couches on wheels. But so is an S-class, and those bore me as well. If I was given an S600 for free, it would be sold before you handed me the title.

99Classillac
10-21-06, 04:39 PM
I'd sell the S600 and buy 5 caddies.

nigelb
10-21-06, 04:46 PM
not trying to resurrect the dead but i only just saw this


LOOK GUYS WHAT TOP GEAR HAVE TO SAY ABOUT CADILLAC :
"Cadillac specialise in making cars for people who are about to die of old age. They also have an interesting sideline in cars that look like a complete idiot designed them. However it looks like the one car they make that isn't complete rubbish won't actually make it to the great British shores. But nonetheless Richard went to have a look at what we are missing out on. The CTS is one of the very few American cars that is capable of going round a corner without sliding into a ditch. Its interior is horrid of course, but at least when you put your foot down something happens "
Comments anyone?

Jeremy Clarkson, the mouthpiece of BBC's Top Gear actually owns a 'new' Ford GT40. Only problem is that he lives 2 miles further away from the studio than the Ford can travel on a full tank of gas (honest) and the Ford seems to constantly break down, rather embarrasingly at major UK events in front of the press. Apart from that he really likes it.
Top Gear tested the Chrysler 300 and liked it apart from the fact that it is very big.

As for Cadillac, well he quite rightly pointed out that even though the 98-04 STS had a fantastic motor the suspension was rubbish for rural roads in the UK. Both my STS and ETC have a nasty habit of stiffening the suspension half way through a country bend which makes the rear of the car 'hop' slightly, couple that with the default setting of very soft (try going over a speed bump faster than 20mph, the front frame hits the road)
Also what is the point of having a traction control OFF switch if you can only pull away in second gear?

Anyway the crux of the matter is that Vauxhall/Opel have been making some pretty dire cars for the last 10 years, look at the Catera (6 year old top spec Omegas are dirt cheap) and because the before mentioned Mr Clarkson spoke about the shortcomings of the Cavalier replacement, the Vectra, on national TV, GM kinda banned him from testing any of their cars.
I suppose when you make your living as a motoring journalist that must p*ss you off a little and alter your perspective.

AznPrydeRegalRyde
10-21-06, 05:55 PM
Jeremy Clarkson, the mouthpiece of BBC's Top Gear actually owns a 'new' Ford GT40. Only problem is that he lives 2 miles further away from the studio than the Ford can travel on a full tank of gas (honest) and the Ford seems to constantly break down, rather embarrasingly at major UK events in front of the press. Apart from that he really likes it.
Top Gear tested the Chrysler 300 and liked it apart from the fact that it is very big. Just being picky...

Its called the GT, not the GT40...they decided against going back to that name after the GT90 concept failed miserably...

About him living farther from the Studio then the GT can drive...
This is based on mpg's he managed on the Top Gear test track, 4 mpg. The GT will actually do around 15 mpg DD. Since he won't be "racing" on whatever motorway he drives on to work, he wont have any problem getting there on 1 tank of gas. Not great, but not nearly as bad as you or him make it out to be.

And the reason his car keeps breaking down is due to the OEM computers' relationship with the AFTERMARKET sound system and car alarm they installed. Many cars today have problems with aftermarket alarms.

nigelb
10-21-06, 08:01 PM
the point of my post was to illustrate the simple fact that not everyone in europe completely loathes domestic US cars but can see the good AND bad features in them.
if JC completely hated everything American he simply would not have bought the GT period.
the fact that it's crap on fuel and it won't start (for whatever reason) has not put changed his mind. yet.
oh and didn't richard hammond go and buy that sub-lime charger then spend thousands putting decent suspension and brakes on it. though i'm not sure if he sold it shortly (short-ly, ha ha) after.

yes it's true that our roads are too narrow, too twisty and we recently were paying £1 per litre (over $7 a US gallon) but if simon cowell can waft around in a maybach, i'm going to keep driving my STS and P30 based Allegro

AznPrydeRegalRyde
10-21-06, 08:16 PM
the point of my post was to illustrate the simple fact that not everyone in europe completely loathes domestic US cars but can see the good AND bad features in them.
if JC completely hated everything American he simply would not have bought the GT period.
the fact that it's crap on fuel and it won't start (for whatever reason) has not put changed his mind. yet.
oh and didn't richard hammond go and buy that sub-lime charger then spend thousands putting decent suspension and brakes on it. though i'm not sure if he sold it shortly (short-ly, ha ha) after.

yes it's true that our roads are too narrow, too twisty and we recently were paying 1 per litre (over $7 a US gallon) but if simon cowell can waft around in a maybach, i'm going to keep driving my STS and P30 based Allegroyea, like i said, i was just being picky :) I agree with what youre saying. Not only did Clarkson and company love the GT, they also love that Ford Mondeo ST 220 ANd the new Focus, both of which we dont get over here.
Did Hampster actually buy that Charger? I only the epsiode where he drove it, and was trying to figure out if it could fit in his garage.
The fact is, that different companies make different cars for different markets. Cadillac generally sold in the US predominantly, so why would they need to build something small and economical for tight twisiting roads. I know the lines are gray now, as every manufacturer make every car capable in each market, but the basis of the idea is still there. BMWs are built for autobahn touring. Theres a reason why MG's were small.

By the way, maybe we should trade living quarters. You love your big cars, and I can't believe you described your roads as too twisty. :) I would kill to tour your area of the world on a nice bike :)

nigelb
10-21-06, 08:29 PM
hammond didn't buy the charger he test drove, apparently he had one shipped in from the US and had it modified before he registered it. the car was featured in a couple of magazines over here, it was quite a big deal at the time, the fabled top gear yank tank haters actually buying the things they despised!
hammonds '69 charger 440 (http://www.motiv8vehicles.co.uk/)
don't know if he's still got it, but after his recent 300mph crash i doubt he'd be driving it any time soon.

AznPrydeRegalRyde
10-21-06, 10:36 PM
Heh heh, iirc, Clarkson preferred the Challenger right?

Hammond had alot of work done to that! I bet its a pretty good drive! Pistol grip manual ares cool, would love to see some new cars come with that. By the way, whats the latest word on Hammond? Last I read, he was up walking around, but that was a while ago now.

Zorb750
10-23-06, 01:32 AM
:thepan: DON'T DIG UP OLD THREADS!

Leeb
10-23-06, 05:58 AM
I don't remember seeing anything that said someone w/ something to contribute was forbidden to add to a thread simply because its been around awhile... :confused: