: Comparison with M3?



DAC17
01-24-09, 09:34 PM
I'm curious to know if anyone has cross-shopped a 2009 M3 sedan with the CTS-V. Any significant pros or cons to either?

Thanks.

tblack
01-24-09, 10:30 PM
I'd like to know this too!!

330toSRT8
01-24-09, 10:39 PM
One thing I consider significant is the availability of a 7-speed dual-clutch transmission in the M3.

thebigjimsho
01-24-09, 11:11 PM
The M3 will be quicker in transition in the corners. But it will be outrun by the V in the straights. The M3 sedan has decent room in back but not near the V's room. The V has a nicer interior. The exterior design to me is a draw. I love them both.

Caddyscat
01-25-09, 12:50 AM
if you buy the M3 you get a free hat that looks like a penis.

JEM
01-25-09, 01:45 AM
The M3 will be quicker in transition in the corners. But it will be outrun by the V in the straights. The M3 sedan has decent room in back but not near the V's room. The V has a nicer interior. The exterior design to me is a draw. I love them both.

Everyone tells me the E90 3-series is nearly as big as our old E39s, but I was kinda surprised at how tight the back seat is, in legroom if not in width. The CTS still isn't quite as roomy as my E39 M5, but it's close.

thebigjimsho
01-25-09, 02:29 AM
Everyone tells me the E90 3-series is nearly as big as our old E39s, but I was kinda surprised at how tight the back seat is, in legroom if not in width. The CTS still isn't quite as roomy as my E39 M5, but it's close.I had a couple of ladies driving the V2 with me and an instructor at Monticello. With the seat up a little bit, it was very comfy in the back of the V2. I made it a point to have the seat set to where I liked and then sit in back. It was maybe a tiny bit better than the V1, which is excellent for the size of the sedan.

As for the M3, it's tight, but even with my large frame, I could sit behind my setting for the driver's seat. It may not be super comfortable, but it's doable. But I don't think it's even close to your M5...

Varsity
01-25-09, 04:43 AM
if you buy the M3 you get a free hat that looks like a penis.

Surely buying an M3, you'd be a cock anyway?

What I cant understand is why in America, there seams to be alot of financial isses and unemplyment, yet the true blue American would still by a foreign product? And continue to complain about the state of the economy and country.

CadV
01-25-09, 05:30 AM
Surely buying an M3, you'd be a cock anyway?

What I cant understand is why in America, there seams to be alot of financial isses and unemplyment, yet the true blue American would still by a foreign product? And continue to complain about the state of the economy and country.

Owned :)

MacOSR
01-25-09, 09:48 AM
if you buy the M3 you get a free hat that looks like a penis.

It's your head, not the hat on it :histeric:

thebigjimsho
01-25-09, 01:18 PM
Surely buying an M3, you'd be a cock anyway?

What I cant understand is why in America, there seams to be alot of financial isses and unemplyment, yet the true blue American would still by a foreign product? And continue to complain about the state of the economy and country.Before the V1, I would never think of buying an American high performance sedan. The SHO was great but that was FWD. If it wasn't for the V series, I'd be buying foreign. Why? Because I try to buy what's best. I will not buy domestic if it's not quality.

Buy American is only valid if it's deserving...

cjoe
01-25-09, 01:39 PM
These two cars M3 and CTS-V were my two finalists. I had driven the M3 with dual clutch on three different occasions and was ready to buy because I didn't think I could get a test drive in a cts-v. Once I drove the cts-v
it was an easy decision, I bought the cts-v with recaros. I judge cars by entertainment value (ev) and reliability. l love the cockpit interior of the cts-v and the electronics. The handling is remarkable for a car this size and is almost equal to the M3. I happen to like the growl the car makes under load, but some have characterized this as a drone. On long commutes this could be a negative for some. The power is a given just like the gas mileage. The biggest objection to the M3 is the same one I had with my 07 M5. You have to rev the crap out of it to get any sense of "pull" i.e. entertainment value. Reliability is another issue with BMW's. Their electonic design and reliability has been an issue on every bmw I've owned. Here's a big problem they're having right now is with battery discharge problems if you don't take trips of at least 20 miles in duration you will have problems and they will not cover charging or battery replacemnt under warranty. This is covered under the fine print in the warranty and they call it a "bad driver profile". These problems tend to crop up in the eight months to one year time frame. The more loaded the car the greater the problem. The final nail in the coffin for the M3 was the other car I own which is a bmw 135i. This has the best engine I've been exposed to (19 mpg city) and is pure entertainment. With a $2000 Dinan mod I can get equivalent power to the m3 and probably better performance.

DAC17
01-25-09, 03:59 PM
cjoe: Thanks; perfect response.

Varsity
02-01-09, 01:01 PM
cjoe: Thanks; perfect response.

Well qualified.

thebigjimsho
02-01-09, 05:45 PM
:lies:

concorso
02-01-09, 08:15 PM
Funny, I think the high revving characteristics of the newer BMW V8 is just as addictive as the lazy tq the LSX engines give...

I actually think the M3 vs the CTS-V is the only legitimate comparison now. Any benefits (fun alternatives) the M5 has over the V, the M3 has as well, like the dual clutch trans and hi revving engine, but has sharper handling. The E60's V10 doesnt sound as good as the E90's V8, imo, and thats important to me. The M5 costs a lot more, as well and doesn't corner like the M3 does. Since the CTS-V matches the M5 in every way except for technical bragging rights, the M5 seems kind of redundant.

For argument purposes, the M3 beats the M5 around the Top Gear test track by .9 seconds.

thebigjimsho
02-03-09, 12:28 AM
The CTS-V did beat the M3 around VIR...

concorso
02-04-09, 02:31 PM
How did the E60 M5 and E39 M5 compare to the new M3 or CTS-V at VIR?

4.9 Guy
02-14-09, 03:42 PM
What disappoints about the M3 when I got the chance to test drive one, is the piss poor amount of torque. Only fun I had was over 6K rpms. The CTS V fixes that problem for me. I like a flat as hell torque curve. Not one where I have to wring it out.

BrianH
02-18-09, 01:28 AM
no more BMW sheep, please.

thebigjimsho
02-20-09, 07:46 AM
no more BMW hater sloths, please.

concorso
02-23-09, 02:23 AM
What disappoints about the M3 when I got the chance to test drive one, is the piss poor amount of torque. Only fun I had was over 6K rpms. The CTS V fixes that problem for me. I like a flat as hell torque curve. Not one where I have to wring it out.I prefer the pushrod tq as well, but an M3 is still an exhilarating drive.

liqidvenom
02-25-09, 07:37 PM
why not go for the c63?

concorso
03-01-09, 01:56 PM
What does the C62 offer that the V doesn't...smaller size? Every hardcore review Ive seen says its a bit of a pig on track. If Im gonna go smaller then the V, give me an M3.

cts-me
04-15-09, 04:48 PM
Surely buying an M3, you'd be a cock anyway?

What I cant understand is why in America, there seams to be alot of financial isses and unemplyment, yet the true blue American would still by a foreign product? And continue to complain about the state of the economy and country.

I bought a Caddy, so dont take this the wrong way. There are some things that the germans simply do better then us americans and vica versa. The m3 is an incredibly great car, its hybrid of handling and power + performance and refinement is almost unrivaled.

Also, i havent encountered a company, including GM that can produce the balance between ride quality and comfort that BMW consistently produce. BMWs simply have sublime handling. The m3 looks pretty ****ing sweet too.

That being said, the CTS-V would whip it around any track i can think of. It may not be able to transition as nimbly as the m3, but is nearly as capable around turns if driven carefully and far more potent in a straight line. Mix the V's performance with its sharp exterior styling and BMW beating interior, the V is a better deal in my eyes.

Dont slight a person who buys a foreign car, the germans really do make cars the right way, and have until very recently (with the release of the CTS-V) set the standard in the midsize sedan market.

Buying a car just because its American, and may help the failing domestic automakers make a dime isnt the only thing that should be considered when buying a car.

V-Eight
04-19-09, 01:14 PM
The V is faster, but the car it is more comparable to in size is the M5

Rodya234
04-21-09, 06:31 PM
The only part of the track that the M3 exceeds the CTS-V is the slalom course, because the M3 is 11 inches shorter. Even still, its not much faster through the cones.

concorso
04-26-09, 04:41 PM
What about the braking? Any #'s for the V? The new M3 is a little soft compared to the E46, tho...

Rodya234
04-28-09, 07:05 PM
According to what I read the M3 stops from 60-0 in 113ft, while the CTS-V does the same in 109ft. :thumbsup:

E46 stops in 115ft.

smashn808
06-29-09, 06:49 PM
if you buy the M3 you get a free hat that looks like a penis.
BWAHAHAH! This comment made me crack up for some reason. Thanks man.

Guru0006
01-31-10, 03:41 PM
I drove both the new V and the M3 (coupe not 4 door). The M3 looks nice on the outside but the interior is aweful compared to the V. Not sure what things are being considered. The M3 engine wasn't as much fun as the V either and I thought the V rode better and handled just as well. I was as impressed with the V as I was unimpressed with the M3 (considering all the magazines gushing about it all the time). Now to keep things in perspective and to show that I am not a fanboy of either I ended up buying a GTR.

concorso
01-31-10, 04:45 PM
I drove both the new V and the M3 (coupe not 4 door). The M3 looks nice on the outside but the interior is aweful compared to the V. Not sure what things are being considered. The M3 engine wasn't as much fun as the V either and I thought the V rode better and handled just as well. I was as impressed with the V as I was unimpressed with the M3 (considering all the magazines gushing about it all the time). Now to keep things in perspective and to show that I am not a fanboy of either I ended up buying a GTR.The design of the M3's interior is aweful, but thats subjective. I know people who love it. One area the BMW is still better in the interior, tho, is the build quality. Even the new V I drove had a flmisy feel to the dash, you could lean against the dash and feel and see flexing of the plastic...something I couldnt replicate in the M3. I think you can still get a full leather interior in the M3 as well, and thats something Id pay for. The V has a much more inviting design, tho.

Guru0006
01-31-10, 08:52 PM
And don't forget the V has one of the best NAV systems out there. Way better than either the M3's or my GTR's. I really liked the dash design on the V and controls were all intuitive. I really was VERY impressed with the interior. If you get the NAV on the M3 you have to deal with that stupid knob behind the shifter. Who the hell though that one up?