: Survivor Imperial for Sandy



ted tcb
01-11-09, 10:36 PM
Ok, so, technically, its a 1978 NewYorker.
But, this 2 door survivor is spectacular.

Definitely a must see ... it takes me back to 1978 ... what a great car.
I drove my dad's throughout 1978.
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Submariner409
01-11-09, 11:01 PM
Awesome !!!! .........flight deck and all. The ultimate chick magnet and Drive-In bouncer.

ted tcb
01-11-09, 11:11 PM
You could park Lebowski's Beetle on the trunk.

Funny thing is, our other car in 1977 was a 1972 Marquis Brougham.
The NewYorker, with torsion bar suspension and a 440 engine, seemed to be a
flat cornering, rip snortin' sportscar by comparison to the floaty Marquis.

Times do change.


http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n243/tedtcb/9258_3.jpg

LS1Mike
01-11-09, 11:15 PM
Super clean car!
He has some collection too!

gdwriter
01-12-09, 02:54 AM
Although cars like this aren't something I'd necessarily want for myself, it's always nice to see a well-preserved original car. I do want to sit in it and sink a few inches into that plush leather, though.

Red_October_7000
01-12-09, 03:09 AM
I love those seats. I know a custom shop run by an old-school upholstery dude who's going to replicate those for my in my Suburban once I get the cash together.

dirt_cheap_fleetwood
01-12-09, 04:11 AM
And to think I almost had one of those. First car I ever looked at was a 1976 Chrysler New Yorker Coupe with 40,000 original miles. It wasn't as perfect as this one, but damn good looking. It was a light yellow exterior with gold velour interior. The front seat made it like driving a couch. 440 ci. engine and even the factory 8-track worked and the car came with many 70's disco 8-track tapes! The guy originally wanted $2500 for it but I passed because I decided it would be too difficult to find parts for. I later learned that he sold the car for $1500 cash and boy was I pissed. Although if that was the case, I never woulda met you guys. :)

MauiV
01-12-09, 08:11 AM
God the 70s sucked.

dirt_cheap_fleetwood
01-12-09, 03:05 PM
God the 70s sucked.

The 70's was awesome. Haven't you ever seen American Gangster? :)

ryannel2003
01-12-09, 04:42 PM
I have to say, while I have never been a fan of Chrysler, that is much nicer than the same era Cadillac's. However, I'd take a '59 Eldorado over it any day of the week.

Florian
01-12-09, 04:44 PM
2 words: land yacht.

that is all.



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I~LUV~Caddys8792
01-12-09, 09:51 PM
Of all the full size mid '70s american luxury cars, the Imperials were my favorite. They weren't as floaty as a Lincoln or Cadillac, but they shared the Lincoln's hideaway headlamps, waterfall grille and super plush "tufted" leather seats.

Aside from the Mark IV and V, the 1974-75 LeBaron is my favorite car from that era.

Destroyer
01-13-09, 08:12 AM
Very nice. Love that Imperial!. Guy does have a sweet collection of cars but I never understood why anyone would want to maintain that many cars. Seems like more work than pleasure.

Sandy
01-13-09, 10:43 AM
oh my gawd...i lust for it! Actually i owned an identical car....but even better! Mine was black on black with red velvet & velour interior and the factory power sun roof, along with every possible option, even the optional 3.73:1 axle ratio. Thing could fly ! I sold it to get 1982 imperial, the bustle back lemon that they all were (1981-1983) all were recalled. Prior to this one i had a 1974 imperial. The two cars were 100% identical. They just took the imperial nameplate off and put on new yorker brougham. There was zero difference! I sold her for alot of $$ and ordered a 1982 gold firefrost bustle back imperial which like all 1981 82 & 83 imperials, were lemons and all were recalled, but the 1974 thru 1978 were flawless wonderful cars. Mine also had the pictured here road wheels. The trunk carpeting was thicked than what i have in my home! 1 % 1/2 inch deep nap they were the best imperals ever made! 197401978.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
01-13-09, 05:31 PM
Holy shit....a 3.73:1 rear end. Good luck keeping the rear tires planted until you hit second gear! Hah!

Sandy
01-13-09, 05:56 PM
I meant to say 1974 thru 1978. WOW they were (I hate to use it, but, it fits.....AWESOME) !!!!

Driving like a normal 40 year old man, it was tame as tame could be.
(I was 40 then) ~ Driving like I would when 2 twenty olds rolled up next to me in their 1974 Camaro SS or some such vehicle and looked at my stunning black version of the car above, and I got mad, 'cause they were making fun of my "IMPY" when lite turned green, I'd introduce the gas pedal to the carpet. The screeching alone ShOcKeD them, as I over took them. She also had Sure-Grip Differential with the 3.73:1 optional trailing package ratio.
I've had alotof cars, from Imperials to Mustang McLarens to Caddies & Lincolns. The 1978 Imperial LeBaron Chrysler New Yorker St. Regis Crown Coupe**is STILL my #1. Looks, Style, Rarity, Power, comfort, status, classy and strong as bull, all rolled into one.
**=
1974 & 1975 It was called an Imperial LeBaron Crown Coupe`
1976 thru & including 1978 it was called Chrysler New Yorker Brougham St. Regis Edition!
I have the deLuxe brochures, the color chip charts, and all of the dealer's ordering guides, master color plates, interior sample in each color, showroom posters, owner manuals, and original MSRLP price lists as well as dealer cost lists.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
01-13-09, 06:10 PM
And the sweet thing is, even nowadays you could probably pick them up for pennies on the dollar. Too bad I don't have an additional $5,000 sitting around. Did those have the 440 lean burn or was that only in the lower end Chryslers? I suppose it would be cheaper to get the New Yorker Brougham over the Lebaron, just because of the nameplate attached to the car.

Sandy
01-13-09, 06:26 PM
They were close in price...Very close. They actually did not raise the New Yorker version more than $400 over what the Imperial had been. Remember the '78 (like the "Dove Grey" one illustrated herein) was then 4 years "newer" than the '74 Imperial LeBaron Crown Coupe! Prices always go up.......

Anyhow.... I still do love "Deep Purple" She is just as nice, if not as rare...
http://www.smatarese.com/forum/sandy/P6250005.JPG

Lord Cadillac
01-13-09, 06:32 PM
Ok, so, technically, its a 1978 NewYorker.
But, this 2 door survivor is spectacular.

Definitely a must see ... it takes me back to 1978 ... what a great car.
I drove my dad's throughout 1978.
http://rover.ebay.com/ar/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?mpt=1650326669&adtype=1&size=1x1&type=3&campid=5336121755&toolid=10001 http://rover.ebay.com/ar/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?mpt=1418304236&adtype=1&size=1x1&type=3&campid=5336121755&toolid=10001 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Cars-Trucks___78-NEW-YORKER-BROUGHAM-26K-ACTUAL-MILES_W0QQitemZ220341254387QQddnZCarsQ20Q26Q20Truc ksQQddiZ2282QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash =item220341254387&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=72%3A727%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318 (http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?type=3&campid=5336121755&toolid=10001&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Febaymotors%2FCars-Trucks___78-NEW-YORKER-BROUGHAM-26K-ACTUAL-MILES_W0QQitemZ220341254387QQddnZCarsQ20Q26Q20Truc ksQQddiZ2282QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks%3Fha sh%3Ditem220341254387%26_trksid%3Dp4506.c0.m245%26 _trkparms%3D72%253A727%257C65%253A12%257C39%253A1% 257C240%253A1318)


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Cool.. Even the steering wheel has cushion. :)

hueterm
01-13-09, 09:25 PM
The trunk length on those old Chryslers is the thing that gets me the most. The trunk is as long as the hood LOL.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
01-13-09, 10:36 PM
The trunk length on those old Chryslers is the thing that gets me the most. The trunk is as long as the hood LOL.

Even still, the car has beautiful proportions.

Owning a '70s land yacht, especially a 74-78 Imperial LeBaron/ New Yorker Brougham or a Mark IV/V Lincoln is a dream of mine I will achieve in the somewhat near future.

Destroyer
01-13-09, 11:41 PM
Even still, the car has beautiful proportions.

Owning a '70s land yacht, especially a 74-78 Imperial LeBaron/ New Yorker Brougham or a Mark IV/V Lincoln is a dream of mine I will achieve in the somewhat near future.Hmm, where's the Caddy on that list?:eek::alchi:

ted tcb
01-13-09, 11:48 PM
Chad, our 1977 New Yorker Brougham had the 440ci Lean Burn.
Never had an issue with it ... my dad traded it for a 1979 DeVille, 425ci motor.
The Deville never felt as luxurious as the Chrysler ... and the DeVille was definitely slower.

Sandy ... what was our colour called?
It was a brown, with a very heavy metallic flake (orange metallic tint?).
Looked great in the sun, with the deep brown leather interior, road wheels, all toys but sunroof.

orconn
01-13-09, 11:59 PM
Hmm, where's the Caddy on that list?:eek::alchi:

In my opionion Cadillac had been running on empty during the eary '70s. That changed with the introduction of the 1977's which were a big step forward in both quality and handling. The Cads of early '70s had imitation wood embellishments on their dash and doors that looked like rejects from Mattel quality control, that goes for the Eldorados too. To be honest, unless you bought a Fleetwood the interiors were junk. I am afraid I have to agree with Sandy and Chad on this one, the Imperials and Lincolns seemed to be better quality. But none of them were really top notch.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
01-14-09, 12:28 AM
Hmm, where's the Caddy on that list?:eek::alchi:

Don't get me wrong, I love '70s era Caddys, but they just weren't as luxurious or as over the top as the Imperials or Lincolns. What I really love about the Lincolns and Imperials is how they all had hideaway headlamps and the waterfall grilles. Those two things really added to the intimidation factor of the cars and made 'em look downright mean and nasty. The Cads, as nice as they were, never had that look. And that's one of the main reasons I'd rather have the Linc or Imp. They owned the '70s in terms of design. Cadillac owned the '80s and '90s in terms of design.


In my opionion Cadillac had been running on empty during the eary '70s. That changed with the introduction of the 1977's which were a big step forward in both quality and handling. The Cads of early '70s had imitation wood embellishments on their dash and doors that looked like rejects from Mattel quality control, that goes for the Eldorados too. To be honest, unless you bought a Fleetwood the interiors were junk. I am afraid I have to agree with Sandy and Chad on this one, the Imperials and Lincolns seemed to be better quality. But none of them were really top notch.

Even if their quality wasn't so bad, the interiors just didn't have that over the top, baroque look that the Lincolns and Imperials had. Aside from the Talisman Fleetwoods and d'Elegance deVilles, you couldn't get a Cadillac from that era with the deeply tufted "pillow top" seats, well not until the '77 redesign. The interiors in the Cadillacs in that era didn't look that much different from a Buick or Oldsmobile interior. And that's the second main reason I like the Imps and Lincolns more....plusher interiors.

AMGoff
01-14-09, 01:25 AM
She's a real beaut... One of the last greats to wear the nameplate before Chrysler took the Imperial down its long, torturous spiral towards mediocrity.

Sandy
01-14-09, 01:49 AM
Chad, our 1977 New Yorker Brougham had the 440ci Lean Burn.
Never had an issue with it ... my dad traded it for a 1979 DeVille, 425ci motor.
The Deville never felt as luxurious as the Chrysler ... and the DeVille was definitely slower.

Sandy ... what was our colour called?
It was a brown, with a very heavy metallic flake (orange metallic tint?).
Looked great in the sun, with the deep brown leather interior, road wheels, all toys but sunroof.

Hard to tell without seeing it. Can you post a pic ?
Okay, if it's a dark dark dark brown, it's called "COFFEE" - if it's Copper, like copper wire color, an orangiee--brown, it's called Burnished Copper (A ONE YEAR ONLY COLOR! - 1977, and if it's cross between a medium gray and a dark gold, it's called "Moondust" If it's bright gold, like jewerly, it's called Inca Gold and if it's a dark gold with a brownish tone to it, it's called Spanish Gold.
Here is production figures:

1974 Imperial LeBaron 2-Door Hardtop = 3,793 Same but with Crown Roof - 57
1975 Imperial LeBaron 2-Door hardtop = 1,087 Same but with Crown Roof - 2728

1976 Chrysler New Yorker Brougham Coupe = 2,386 Same but with St. Regis Roof = 9748

1977 Chrysler New yorker Brougham Coupe = 3679 Same with St. Regis Roof = 16,875

1978 Chrysler New Yorker brougham Coupe = 2233 - Same with St. Regis Roof = 9,624

Here are the original list prices & options for the final year, 1978

$7591 '78 N.Y. Brougham 2-Dr. Hardtop
$ 272 Freight
Options Follow:


1084 Basic Group
98 Rear Elec. Defroster
49 Passenger Side Illuminated Vanity Mirror
33 Dual Exterior Remote Mirrors
12 Chrome Door Edge Guards
47 Power Antenna
493 St. Regis Roof w/Opera Windows
99 Cruise Control
100 Tilt Steering Wheel
763 Power Sun Roof
52 Largest Size offered wider whitewall tires (5)
49 Cornering Lamps
236 Dual 6-Way Power Seats Left & Right
84 Power Door Locks
24 Power Trunk Release
197 Am Fm Stereo Electronic Controled
07 Heavy Duty Shocks
25 Optional 3.73:1 Axle Ratio
122 Automatic Height Control
274 Leather Seating Surfaces
40 Undercoating & Under Hood Pad
140 Road Wheels(as shown on the Dove Grey Car)
10 Pedal Dress Up Chrome Trim on Pedals
99 Special Order Paint
Choices:-
Rallye Red (Fire Red)
Wedgewood Blue (Sky Blue)
Burnished Copper (color of Copper Wire)
Inca Gold (bright Jewerly gold)
Vintage Red (Burgundy)
Russet (Color of a chestnut)

None of the Special Colors could have a matching vinyl Roof. The roof
on the Special Colors had to be either Black, white, dark blue, or dark brown.

Aron9000
01-14-09, 02:03 AM
I bet one of these in that Inca Gold with a brown roof was quite a site.

Sandy
01-14-09, 02:03 AM
........and IF you are still around, "TED TCB" thanks for posting. It made me be really sad that I sold mine, but a good kinda sad. It was the only car that I ever had that attracted people my age (then, at that time...30) as well as the uder 21 crowd and the over fifty crowd as well.

i saw the then new 182 Imperial Bustle Back Coupe and ya know how it goes....I had to have one ! (Biggest mistake i made in my life)

But anyhow, I thank you Ted !!!

ted tcb
01-14-09, 11:41 AM
You're welcome, Sandy.
BTW, I remember you posted a pic of a black Imp similar to your car a few years back ... what a gorgeous machine. I suspect if the ebay car mentioned was black on red, you'd be bidding by now:lol:

Looking at the colour chips from the Imperial Owner's Club, our colour was coffee sunfire metallic.

Sadly, about 1 yr into the car, I raced into our driveway too fast with my POS 1972 Capri (german model, V6), and scraped my dad's New Yorker.
They repainted just the door, and the metallic flakes never matched up
in the sunshine.

I looked through my pc, and couldn't find any stored pics of the New Yorker. However, I did find a pic of two other interesting cars I've owned ... 1972 Cutlass' .... a 442 and a Supreme 350.

Here they are side by side .... hmmmm, which one to take out for a cruise??

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n243/tedtcb/171_171.jpg

ryannel2003
01-14-09, 11:51 AM
Love the Cutlasses. My grandfather had an '84 Cutlass Supreme with the 305 V8. Dark blue w/ dark blue velour seats. Best car he's ever had; I'm sure he would still have it if some drunk dumbass hadn't of totaled it.

Cliff8928
01-14-09, 02:22 PM
Love the Cutlasses. My grandfather had an '84 Cutlass Supreme with the 305 V8. Dark blue w/ dark blue velour seats. Best car he's ever had; I'm sure he would still have it if some drunk dumbass hadn't of totaled it.

Really, not a 307? that's strange..

ryannel2003
01-14-09, 03:07 PM
It might be a 307. He couldn't remember which it was, so between the two it probably is the 307.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
01-14-09, 07:45 PM
Yeah, it was the 307. The Buicks and Olds's G Bodies had the 307, the Chevs and Pontiacs had 305.

hueterm
01-14-09, 08:01 PM
I wonder what was longer -- that Imperial/New Yorker, or the similar vintage Lincoln Town Coupe?

ryannel2003
01-14-09, 09:22 PM
Always preferred the Olds and Buick to the other two. They looked so much more stylish. As a matter of fact, my grandfather had the chance to purchase a '87 Buick Grand National GNX, and he didn't like the interior because it looked cheaper than his Cutlass and never got one. If he only knew how collectible they would become! :eek:

I~LUV~Caddys8792
01-14-09, 11:03 PM
I wonder what was longer -- that Imperial/New Yorker, or the similar vintage Lincoln Town Coupe?

The 1977-79 Continentals were the longest Lincolns ever built, at 233 inches even, and .3 inch longer than the 1976 New Yorker Brougham, which was the biggest Mopar from that era, but the longest car of that era, period, aside from limousines and 9 passenger sedans, is the 1974-76 Fleetwood Brougham, at 233.7 inches, from stem to stern.

Red_October_7000
01-14-09, 11:22 PM
I always thought that if you discounted the Series 75, that the 73 Imperial with the "Park Bench" bumpers was the longest postwar production car.

MauiV
01-14-09, 11:45 PM
1964 Mercedes Benz W100 600 245.7"

Aron9000
01-15-09, 02:06 AM
1964 Mercedes Benz W100 600 245.7"

I wouldn't count that car IMO, as its a limousine, something to be chauffered in, not to drive. If you're going to count that, might as well throw in a 1974-76 Cadillac Fleetwood 75 limo, 252.3" length.

The longest non-factory limo would be this monster Cadillac, at 1200", or 100 ft
http://www.limobob.com/_images//100-ft.-boss8.jpg

Cliff8928
01-15-09, 03:14 AM
Yeah, it was the 307. The Buicks and Olds's G Bodies had the 307, the Chevs and Pontiacs had 305.

The easy way to tell by seeing one if you don't know anything else is that the 307 oil fill is in the timing cover, 305 in the valve cover.

Sandy
01-15-09, 11:10 AM
The 3 longest REGUILAR production cars were:

1975-1979 Lincoln Continential
1974-1976 Cadillac Fleetwood Brougham
1974-1975 / 1976-1978 Imperial LeBaron / Chrysler New Yorker Brougham
2 inches seperated them

Sandy
01-15-09, 11:33 AM
It flew! It was the best car I ever owned, better than my 1993 60 Special
and equal to my 2003 Town Car.
The best Chrysler product ever made was the 74-75 Imperials & the 76-78
New Yorker Broughams. Which short of the annual exterior color changes
were all 100% identical ! Those that bought them new, loved them.
I have, over the years seen or known of 4 in Special Order paint colors,
which Chrysler allowed for $99.00. 1 1998 in Wedgewood (Sky) Blue, ( FROM the 1977 )
and 3 in bright Rallye Red (from the Dodge Magnum / Chrysler Cordoba. 2 Reds with black leather
& 1 red with whte leather - all with the standard full length vinyl top.
( Not Crown/St. Regis top ) The Wedgewood Blue 1978 had a white leather interior and
the Dark Blue (navy ) Crown St. Regis Roof, like this Dove Grey car displays.

MauiV
01-15-09, 01:40 PM
I wouldn't count that car IMO, as its a limousine, something to be chauffered in, not to drive.

Clarkson drives his. It only has 1 bench back seat and 4 doors. It is layed out just like any "normal" sedan. Its the luxury of the car that made for it to be used as a chauffered car. Its size and aminities made it perfect for being turned into a limo or armored car, not the other way around.

Brett
01-15-09, 07:31 PM
I KNOW Sal is loving those cushy seats :)

Sandy
01-16-09, 10:04 AM
IF IF IF the "Dove Grey" one at the top of this thead had the Power Sun Roof option, it would be on the way, here, right now in a closed truck, no matter WhaT the wife would have to say! Sadly no factory Sun Roof.

Yes, you have a fine memory. I actually had 2. A 1974 LeBaron 2-Door hardtop (standerd roof - vinyl top 2-Door hardtop in triple black with no sun roof with velour & velvet interior that I took in trade with 10,000 miles from the car's widow - it was her hubbys car, and a 1975 end-of-the-run with the Crown Roof. Black on Black with Cranberry red velour interior - sun roof (extremely rare) and every otpion, except leather. that I ordered, NEW! Like you, the car was parked and was "keyed"on the right rear quarter. Even thought it was black, the paint never matched, again. The re-paints quarter was duller and lacked the gloss of the non repainted part. I lost interest and ordered a all new 1982 bustle back Imp in brilliant jewerly gold metallic. L-E-M-O=N as they all were 81-83. It was then that I switch to Lincolns, having owned a 86 Mark, an 98 Mrk and now a2003 Town Car.But Dove Grey would be here NOW if it had a sun roof. (to keep "Towniee" company) !!

Don't 4-get my bought new extra special Sixty Special http://www.smatarese.com/forum/sandy/

ted tcb
01-16-09, 07:40 PM
No, I'd never forget the Sixty Special. It is, for all intents and purposes, a new car.
If presented with proper documentation, it could very well end up at Barret Jackson's in Scottsdale one day.
Survivor cars are very special.
The Sixty Special is wonderful ... we owned a few Devilles and fwd Fleetwoods from the 89-93.
The Imperial's were special, to me, because of the era and rareness of them.
My favourites are the 1966 convertibles with glass lenses covering the headlights, real wood, and 440 power.
Plus, you've gotta love the eagle on the back bumper and pencil thin tailights, plus the cool interior door handles.
Just a super exclusive luxury ride!

Were you a contributing member to the Imperial Club. What a wealth of infomation that club has been for me.
I seem to recall you mentioning an article you wrote years ago ... could be wrong, though.



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orconn
01-16-09, 08:55 PM
Back in the early '70s, my wife and I lived in an apartment house that had underground parking for two cars that came with each apartment. The two cars would be parked in tandem one behind the other. The retired doctor and his wife who had the two car space next to ours had an Imperial Crown 4 door hardtop kind of mustard yellow brown with matching vinyl roof and yellow leather tufted upholstery. This thing was huge, it filled the space meant for two cars. I had my Lamborghini 350 GT and my Jaguar XJ6 SWB back to front in our space and I don't think our cars stuck much if any beyond the Imperial. Fortunately we were both good neighbors and never dinged any doors or had any other problems during the three years we lived there. But I will never forget the collossal size of that '74 or '75 Imperial! In the space across from the doctor's Imperial was a '66 Cadillac Fleetwood also occupying practically a whole two car slot!

Sandy
01-17-09, 12:29 PM
Ted TCB, you are correct on all assumptions. I was very active in the IOC (Imperial Owners Club) and wrote my fair share of articles. Between myself, my parents and my cousins, we owned more Imperials than probably anyone! Never had a bad one, either.
The Sixty Special is a great car. It's a car of the 90s. It's a weakling compared to a 60s era Imperial. This I am sure holds true as well to a 1965 Caddy -VS- a 2005 mainly plastic Caddy!

Personally I did write the award winning article on the 74-75 Imps, and when they "changed their name" to N.Y. Brougham! :)

Sandy
01-17-09, 12:37 PM
OrCon, from your description, before I got to your sentence, based upon your vivid color description I KNEW IT WAS A 1974 OR 1975 ! 'SPANISH GOLD" - - IT WAS very POPULAR and I could NEVER see why ??!! ? I didn't like it.

Kick me for selling mine ! It was a ONE OFF !!

A black-on-black Crown St. Regis Coupe WITH factory Power Sun Roof and Cranberry Crushed Velour Interior with every possible option, short of special color paint.

THIS CAR -- http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n243/tedtcb/a621_3.jpg -- IN BLACK-0N BLACK

hueterm
01-17-09, 12:59 PM
Here is one on Autotrader Classics:

http://www.autotraderclassics.com/details?adId=86665254

That is a very unique color.

I'm getting very intrigued by these cars -- they would just be too long to fit in the garage !

I~LUV~Caddys8792
01-17-09, 01:14 PM
I am by no means a Mopar nut, but that is one car I'd LOVE to have. It's funny that they made all that good stuff in the '50s, '60s and '70s, then a lot of crap in the '80s and '90s.

My three favorite products from each of Mopar's brands:

Chrysler:
1976-78 New Yorker Brougham
1999-04 300M
1957 300C

Dodge:
1970 Charger R/T
1970 Challenger R/T
2009+ Challenger

Imperial:
1974-75 Lebaron
1970-71 Lebaron
1967 Crown/Lebaron

Plymouth:
1971 'Cuda
1958 Fury/ Belvedere Hardtop Sport Coupe
1970 GTX

Eagle:
1997-98 Talon TSi
1993-94 Talon TSi
1995-96 Talon TSi

Jeep:
1998 Grand Cherokee 5.9 Limited
1988-91 Grand Wagoneer
19xx-xx J-10 "Honcho"

Sandy
01-17-09, 02:43 PM
It was an unusual color, that there "Bittersweet Metallic" ~ Across between a copper and a darkER red. Sorta kinda like a dull new penny. Had alot of red in it - yet was not red. Wedid'nt sell any, I only have the color & trim books.

The Crown St. Regis Roof Colors:
Intro = 1974 on Imperial Coupe in Gold only. Later in 1974 in White (only) on New Yorker Coupes.

In 1975 Chrysler got Gold and Imperial got White and both got Dark Green, Dark Blue, Dark Chocolate Brown, Burgundy went to Chrysler only while Imperial got Silver Metallic!

For 1976 It all stayed the same, BUT The Dark Green was altered to Medium Green and Black was new and so was Light Pastel Beige.

For 1977 Light Blue replaced Dark Blue, Burgundy was altered to Dark Red and the remainder stayed the same.....for the final year....

1978 Light Pastel Beige and the Dark Chocolate Brown were deleted.

Theroof was very popular on the coupes, even though it was $ 500 extra cost (more than Air Conditioning on a Newport!!) However, ultra rare was the roof in combination with a factory Sun Roof. My car had both, as does this Bittersweert & White example - - the ONLY other one I have seen, (or even heard of) with both Sun Roof AND Crown St. Regis roof, Together they added over $1,000 to the car's price !
I do not believe this car's mileage ! 470 miles a year ??? :peeking:

I~LUV~Caddys8792
01-17-09, 03:20 PM
So the St. Regis package was just the formal roof?
It's funny to think that magnificent beasts like these were rolling off the assembly lines as Chrysler almost went belly up...for the first time and Iacocca had to bail them out.

hueterm
01-17-09, 03:31 PM
And dig the old radio mobile phone on that bittersweet model.

So is there any reason to go w/an actual Imperial vs. the New Yorker? Was the power the same on the later models vs the older ones? Any upgrades on the later ones?

The seats on those look EXTREMELY comfortable. I didn't notice that the bittersweet one had a sunroof.....cool.

Sandy
01-17-09, 04:11 PM
'Ya, that phone would spoil any sale to me. Probably drilled into the floor ! Nice car, but you're never ever gonna match that misssing driver's side bodyside moulding and you're never ever gonna find that stand up hood ornament !!!!!!!

If the seller could PROVE those 469 miles a year then I WOULD BUY IT TODAY

HUETERM.....

The Imperial LeBaron CROWN COUPE (1974 & 1975) and the Chrysler New Yorker Brougham with St. Regis Roof were all 100% identical. No upgrades, just new & deleted colors along the way. Stay away from the 1978 WITH the Lean Burjn 400 V-8 Stay with the original 440 Cu In V-8 The 400 LeanBurn was fussy and could be prone to traffic light stalling if not 100% perfectly in proper spec tuning. It actually gave NO advantages.

Headlining on coupes withOUT sun roof was cheap and was prone to discolor. It was a cheap plastic/fabrique weave. OnSun Roof cars it was a high quality nylon

Sandy
01-17-09, 04:27 PM
So the St. Regis package was just the formal roof?

Yes, I Luv Caddies. The roof package @ $500 $$

Sandy
01-17-09, 05:09 PM
From the Imperial Website:



From Frank Cannavale:

Note that many of the 74-75 Imperial's standard features were optional in the New Yorker Brougham, such as Auto Temp. Others such as 4 wheel disk brakes, were not available. So, if you are pulling a NYB wiring harness, check for ATC and other "options."

Note some of the harnesses are separate, so there actually may be three or more different harnesses behind the dash. You'll need to get all of them.

St. Regis option package was available on the 74-78 NYB 2-door.

Basically it was a dress-up package with various trim pieces. The big addition was a padded landau vinyl roof. It was identical to the CROWN Package on the 1974/1975 Imperial.

orconn
01-17-09, 09:00 PM
OrCon, from your description, before I got to your sentence, based upon your vivid color description I KNEW IT WAS A 1974 OR 1975 ! 'SPANISH GOLD" - - IT WAS very POPULAR and I could NEVER see why ??!! ? I didn't like it.

Kick me for selling mine ! It was a ONE OFF !!

A black-on-black Crown St. Regis Coupe WITH factory Power Sun Roof and Cranberry Crushed Velour Interior with every possible option, short of special color paint.

THIS CAR -- http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n243/tedtcb/a621_3.jpg -- IN BLACK-0N BLACK

Sandt, I think you are exactly right with the "Spanish Gold" name for that musardy, brown color. It was also available on on Lincolns bot Continentals and Marks. A colleague of mine had a '74 Mark IV in the color with a brown vinyl roof and brown leather upholstery. None of were taken with the color,; which we refered as "Baby Cack Brown." The fellow had traded his black on black Mark III for the '74 and was very disappointed in the newer car. But I remember the color being quite populat in L.A. I don't recall Cadillac offering that color during that period, or any other for that matter. In the Fall of 1974 I traded the XJ6 for the, at the time, just introduced Chrysler Cordoba. It was white with a dark green vinyl opera coupe top and lovely emerald green "Corinthian leather" tufted set inserts and the handsome polyeurothane (sp?) road wheels. Ricardo Mantalban's recent demise brought fond memories of the car and the long vacation trip around California that my wife took that Fall. The car got alot of attention as I think I was one of the first buyers of a Cordoba in L.A.!

I~LUV~Caddys8792
01-17-09, 10:00 PM
Those odd yellow/gold/orange/red colors are pictured a lot in the mid '70s Lincoln/Cad/Imperial brochures I have.

I saw a nice '74 Mark IV on eBay today in a color combo I wouldn't usually like, but this was so nice I had to take a second look.

It's a real dark forest green with a white roof, white leather interior, green dashboard and green carpets. Usually, I'm not a green fan, especially in the interior, but this is quite nice.
http://i10.ebayimg.com/01/i/001/2a/ba/27fd_1.JPG
http://i14.ebayimg.com/01/i/001/2b/49/908d_1.JPG

Sandy
01-17-09, 11:12 PM
She's a nice Lincoln, only bad part is the steering wheels were waaay too big in diameter! Like those standard full wheel discs. !

I~LUV~Caddys8792
01-17-09, 11:17 PM
Did the Imps have a much smaller steering wheel? I always read that the Imperials had the best steering feel and handling, I wonder if that's one of the reasons why...

Sandy
01-17-09, 11:31 PM
Oh ya, a smaller diameter wheel and thick leather padding in the later ones, plus that torsion bar suspension. You could toss 'em around. do burn outs, etc.
Almost like a luxury cop car. 85% of the time I drove them like a nice guy. But when someone annoyed me by aggressive driving and doing something dumb, and IF I was "in-the-mood" ~ lets just say, that they were pretty impressed. Oft they'd catch me at a light and ask me what was in that Chrysler??? I'd tell them nothing is in this Chrysler, 'cause it's an Imperial.:eek:
440 $-Bbl. Torqueflite Auto (THE weakest link in the equation) 3.25 or 3.73:1 Sure Grip Rear, mine always order with the Handling suspension, and H.D. trailer tow pkgs for their beefed up torsion bars and electrical systems. She would always burn rubber ON DEMAND ! I had:

72 Lebaron 4-Dr Hdt - Triple Black - Leather
74 LeBaron 2-Dr Hdt - Triple Black COUPE - Velvet & Velour
75 LeBaron Crown Coupe - Crown Coupe Silver on Silver with Silver leather
76 N.Y. Bro. St Regis - Black on Black w/Cranberry Red Velour & Sun Roof
77 N.Y. Bro St Regis - Light Blue Met. with matching Crown St. Regid Roof - White Leather / Blue Accents
78 N.Y Bro St. Regis (2 - Sold my 1st demo) #1 White-out Triple White Standard 2-Dr Hardtop Non St. Regis
Sun Roof Red Accents # 2 was Dark Green with St Regis Roof and White Leather & Green Accents.
Sun Roof also. All cars had all options, exceprt where noted, no sun roofs.


You coud eat off any part of any of my Imps. all were 100% of the time like in the Metropolitan Museum of modern art. Even in the Winter ! When i sold them to customers, the new (real) owner who paid the $$$ for them, drove 'em into the ground! They came back to the dealership for service, all door dinged, scratched, filthy, littered up smoked in interiors, cigarette burn holes. It made me sick.

ted tcb
01-17-09, 11:40 PM
Here's a picture for Chad.

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n243/tedtcb/80-81.jpg


And, the link to the accompanying article.
http://www.imperialclub.com/Articles/73MotorTrend/index.htm

I~LUV~Caddys8792
01-17-09, 11:44 PM
I have that article....in a book of Lincoln Continental road tests from 1968-76. :)

ted tcb
01-18-09, 12:06 AM
For Sandy.
YouTube - 1975 Chrysler Imperial New Yorker & Newport Promo (http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=USnuCPHHdxI)

It's a 1975 Chrysler dealer promo tape.
At 4.11, they showcase a white Imperial, red leather ... gorgeous.

Here is a video of a 1976 New Yorker ... the owner basically pushes all
the buttons, showing that everything works. The car is that ugly mustard
yellow, with the gorgeous tufted brown interior.
Fun to see the old gal again.

YouTube - 1976 Chrysler New Yorker (http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=l0zSqPBChao&feature=channel_page)

Sandy
01-18-09, 06:11 PM
A kinda funny thing regarding the Crown (Imperial) and the St. Regis (Chrysler) roofs was that every other month Chrysler Corp. released one additional color roof over to that special $500 roof package. Not all full length Chrysler and / or Imperial colors instantly transferred over to the special roofs. Every 60 or so days, they released one more color. That is why one can see alot more in Gold,Silver, White, Burgundy and Dark Blue, than one will ever see in Dark Brown, Pastel Beige, Light Blue, Dark Green, Black, Medium Green or Medium Red.

MauiV
01-18-09, 09:26 PM
Sorry but other than a VERY small handful of cars, almost exclusively exotics, 70s car design, especially domestics was absolutely PUTRID. :vomit: Land yachts in HORRIBLE colors.

My personal favorite car design from the 70s, the Pantera GT5

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w52/jdinmaui/Pantera.jpg

Sandy
01-18-09, 10:11 PM
but, you are comparing hi po exotic performance cars with family sedan type of cars. 'Ya know, the old 3-box design. An Imperial buyer would have zero interest in a Pantera and a Pantera buyer would never even look at a Chrysler New Yorker. Each one of them, might have a 2nd (or 3rd) car in which a total oppisite would be in order.


Money be damed, perfection would be
A Sports Car
A Luxury Car
A 4-Wheel Drive Sport Ute
A Convertible
A Pick-Up
A Minivan......Each for a different need or desire.

MauiV
01-18-09, 10:50 PM
My point is that during the 50s Detroit built some of the most beautiful cars ever designed. Even many cars of the 60s are still very attractive today. Then the 70s came. FAIL. Huge rectangular monstrosities in the most God-Awful color combinations imaginable and people wonder how foreign car makers got a foot hold in America.

More of them need to find their way to the car crusher so we can build a new Supertanker from 2 of them. Recycling is good for everyone.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
01-18-09, 11:26 PM
Car design in the '50s peaked from '57-'59. Before that, everything was round, tall and bubbly. But for whatever reason, in '57, that's when the fins got real big and the cars themselves got long and low, across the board....GM, Ford, Mopar. For the most part, that stuck around until about '60 or so, then Detroit ditched the fins and kept the front end designs from the '50s, which for the most part looked awkward, then by about '65 or so, most brands had that typical '60s lower, boxier look.

And just as an FYI, those "big ugly rectangular monstrosities" sold in record numbers back in the day. So apparently they weren't total shit, atleast back then. Looking back now, a lot of the cars produced in the '70s were awful, except IMO, the top end luxury cars. Because if performance cars were gone, and none of the american companies were making anything good when it came to economy, they had to do something better than the rest of the world....that would be the luxury.

orconn
01-18-09, 11:55 PM
The lead time needed to design, test and produce a production car back in the 1970's was very long compared to today. Most of the designs were modifed holdovers from the sixties. US automakers were preoccupied with trying to meet new smog pollution standards, bumper requiremnets, not to mention a need to improve gas mileage due to the first "energy crisis" of the early seventies. Cars like the Cordoba and Dodge Diplomat were attempts to get something more rational to the marketplace, but Chrysler and Ford were trailing GM in their efforts to get something smaller into show rooms. GM got their full size cars on the market in 1977, Chrysler and Lincoln continued to produce their moribund "land yachts" and their sales declined precipitously.

I don't know about the rest of the country, but in urban California the Europeans already dominated the luxury market, with the Japanese makes eating up the economy and small car market. Nobody, I knew wanted to seen in one of Detroits out dated, flashy mobiles! The wealthy establishment were already driving Mercedes, and the upwardly mobile had BMW's and Jaguars or in a pinch one of Detroit's attempts at midsize luxury car. Only GM got ahead of this trend with its' 1977 line up ........ which was head and shoulders above GM's previous generation of full sized cars. The new smaller Cadillacs, Deville and Fleetwood, and especially the Seville were major hits for GM for the reat of the seventies. Chrylser slumped almost to oblivion, finally needing a government bailout and Ford was not that much better off. The seventies were an unhappy time in the economy and in the automotive world. In the eighties the econmy improved, but it didn't get much better for Detroit as they produced some of the most godawful cars!

ted tcb
01-19-09, 12:07 AM
Then the 70s came. FAIL. Huge rectangular monstrosities in the most God-Awful color combinations imaginable and people wonder how foreign car makers got a foot hold in America.

More of them need to find their way to the car crusher so we can build a new Supertanker from 2 of them. Recycling is good for everyone.

Look, I get it.
I bought my 1st Honda in 1978 ... not because of quality (the Civic was not a very good car). I bought it because of the price of gas.
The Japanese gained a foothold because the US automakers were far too
slow to respond to market changes. And, yes, the domestics built millions of crappy cars, and some people won't get over it. But, that's another topic.
Looking back in hindsight, which car would I rather have parked in my garage ... the pride of Toyota, a 1977 Corona, or the pride of Chrysler,
a 1977 New Yorker?
Tough choice ... I think not.

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n243/tedtcb/77toyotacorona.jpg
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n243/tedtcb/ny2.jpg

hueterm
01-19-09, 01:00 AM
What you don't see from the above is the scale, which would have the Corona about as long as the CNY from the front of the fender skirt, to the bumper.

Those CNY/IMP coupes rock, I'm sorry. I they look almost as good as a CDV on the outside. Inside, the CDV had it beat overall, but the top of the line seats in the CNY look more comfortable than the Deville. The lower tufting looks nice and the upper rounded shoulder blade area looks like my Concours' seats.

There were a lot of the '70s cars that were great, IMO primarily because coupes were so plentiful:

Mark III - V (III, IV, V, in that order)
Thunderbirds thru 1976 (the earlier the better; better than Cougar IMO)
Grand Prix thru 1977 (best of those GM models IMO)
Toronado (especially XS)
Riviera (especially '71-72 boattails)
Eldorado (any/all)
IMP/CNY (above)
CDV (any/all)
Town Coupe

Yeah, they got 10MPG, and after '73 or so they were woefully underpowered -- but they still looked awesome....

MauiV
01-19-09, 09:01 AM
Grand Prix thru 1977 (best of those GM models IMO)

My first car was a 1975 Pontiac Grand Prix. Black w/ red pin stipe, burgandy "leather" interior, Crager S/S rims and a touch of air shock in the back for just the right rake. My stepdad bought it new and I agree it was one of the better American designs at the time and IMO much better looking than the Monte Carlo.

You had to actually get the doors rocking to close them and the quadra-jet carb was utter junk

For a "first car" it was useable but it got old fast and I quickly moved into a Formula 350 as soon as the opportunity presented itself.

hueterm
01-19-09, 10:56 AM
Yeah, my first one was a '77 in your favorite color -- Hershey brown w/tan buckets. It did have a sunroof though -- and the heaviest doors in the known universe. Minimum golf ball size door ding upon impact.

One of those in black, white, silver...some "normal" color and T-Tops would turn heads today.

My dad's '70, though, was much more fun -- due to the speed involved.

Sandy
01-19-09, 11:37 AM
I had one of these Silver-Crown LeBaron Coupes. 'Ya, I had it for 2 days, Then I got a buyer who wanted it THAT nite and came back with a certified chk and drove it home. All in 90 minutes! I know for a fact that as of 1990 he still had it.Then I lost track. If that Dove Grey one that started all of this had a factory Sun Roof, it would be here, in my garage, right about now, and would never ever be sold, again.

Here's something interesting that you didn't know....

In some communities USED CAR dealers were not allowed. Licenses were not granted. Only NEW car dealers were allowed. For a very brief time in automotive history, in 1972, Chrysler Corp. decided to test the waters and offer Imperial Exclusive dealerships, selling ONLY Imperials. This, only in areas where there were no Chrysler-Plymouth dealers. All in All ONLY 7 were ever granted, in all of the USA. One of them was in N.J. But all 7 failed as the only people who paid for and got an Imperial franchise were USED CAR dealers looking to get into a specific area. They'd build a small 2 car showroom and a small service shop, (akin to an old time little dealership - but 1972-ish modern) and order up 2 Imperials for the showroom and then fill the lot with 100 used cars. This was quickly given the name of a SHINGLE STORE. In other words, they'd hang out a Shingle (Imperial) so they could rightly claim that they were a NEW CAR dealer, when in fact if they did not sell one Imp all year - it was okay.
In 1974 (early 1974) ChryCo put an end to it and yanked all 7 Imperial Exclusive Dealers franchises.
We bought the 2 Imperials from the Jersey dealer .... The were 1972s in January of 1974 !
We sold them in Hemming's Motor News and made a profit !!

We were one of the last old fashioned, always profitable, in-town ICP stores. We had a 3-car showroom floor,
and 5 bay shop, a small parts dept. 1 wash pit, and new car storage lot of 30 cars and a used car lot of just a dozen. Yet, we always made money. Very civic minded, we sold alot of townspeople and donated a raffle car to area Church groups. We were well liked in the community and were great neighbors.

There were 3 partner-owners, one of whom was my parents. But it was an investment and not their main source of income/profession. I WORKED THERE. We had alot of "Demos" Each 1/3rd owner had 2 Demos, he & the wife makes 6 Demos and mine makes 7. O

ryannel2003
01-19-09, 11:49 AM
My point is that during the 50s Detroit built some of the most beautiful cars ever designed. Even many cars of the 60s are still very attractive today. Then the 70s came. FAIL. Huge rectangular monstrosities in the most God-Awful color combinations imaginable and people wonder how foreign car makers got a foot hold in America.

More of them need to find their way to the car crusher so we can build a new Supertanker from 2 of them. Recycling is good for everyone.

I have to agree, the 50's and early 60's offered up some of the most gorgeous cars Detroit ever built. I have several books on the the early Cadillac's and I have to say, they are some of my favorite. I believe my favorite is the '57 and '58 Eldo's, followed by the '65 models with the stacked headlights. The early 70's started out good, but by the later years the cars sucked. With the color combinations, you have to remember that was the style of the time. My grandmother's old house had dark cabinets with olive green appliances and a yellow countertop; it was horrid, and so were the color combos of those cars. 50 years we'll look back and most likely be thinking how ugly our surroundings are now.

Sandy
01-19-09, 02:25 PM
I dunno.

My 74 Imp 2 door was triple black, my 75 was liked the one pictured above, Silver-on-Silver Crown Coupe with Red interior

The other 75 was again a Crown LeBaron black-on black with red interior

The 76 was navy blue with navy Crown LeBaron with white leather with dark blue accents

The 77 was burgundy-red with matching Crown roof & White leather with dark Red Accents

finally the 78 (THAT I SHOULDA BOUGHT & KEPT) :thepan: was light blue metallic with crown roof in matching lt. blue with dark blue leather,

Non of those seem to me to be off the wall ugly.
My parents Imps were likewise tastefull, but were the 4-Door Hardtops.
One was a nice Chocolate Brown metallic. The metallic crystals were gold
Interior was the color of sand on the beach, pin stripe was gold. Padded vinyl top matched the body.

dkozloski
01-19-09, 02:45 PM
I had a 70s Chrysler with a 440. It wandered all over the road like the steering was connected to the front wheels with rubber bands. $300 in front end parts later it still wandered all over the road like a sad old sow. I borrowed a buddy's very similar Chrysler and it wandered all over the road the same way so I gave the car away. I haven't been even mildly interested in owning a Chrysler product since.

hueterm
01-19-09, 04:55 PM
Game on now LOL. Email me for tickets: Sandy V. Koz at the Mandalay Bay...!

Sandy
01-19-09, 06:03 PM
Koz ... ya shoulda call us. I KNOW ZACHTLY WHAT DA PROBLEM WAS!
We coulda fixed it fore you :) Der was a recall on it. Cry-Co installed da rong steering coupling and it did not get along mit da rest of da group.

Ya change out da steering piece dat was described on da recall and put in da right part, and make a couple little adjustments and it was 100% more better and all fixed up ! I understand. My Mom's Imp did dat too. Den came da recall und da boyz in da chop fixed it. Memory is old now, but I tink it was da early 1971s made in 1970 Calander year. It was a factory goof-up
it was not restricted to Imps, it was on cry-slurs too! Da ply-mouths and dodges (I was told0 didn't suffer dis here problem. I don't know why ??????)

dkozloski
01-20-09, 01:45 PM
Mine was a '72 so that ain't the problem. I've driven others since and they all drive the same way. The steering wheel feels like it's connected to the front wheels with rubber bands. If you go over some whoop-de-doos at more than 35MPH you're taking your life in your hands. There ain't been a Chrysler product ever made that drives as nicely as my '06 STS.

Sandy
01-20-09, 02:54 PM
So, do you think it's the steering ratio ? Too wide? I do believe the problem I spoke of was restricted to the early 1971s. We had 3 1972 Imps in immediate family. I drove all 3 at one time or another. I never experienced what you describe. Ditto company cars, that I sold and test drove, i.e. Plymouth Furys.
Are we talking full sized car, compact or midsized ?? Far as i know, the problem I was relating - like I said - was 1971 FULL sized... The M body.

I also drove a 'Cuda when my Imp(s) were sold, and never experienced such on my 340 Cu In V-8 'Cuda. I never heard of the problem on a 1972.

Sandy
01-20-09, 04:02 PM
Koz, thinking more about it all.....a 2006 STS SHOULD be a better car than a 1972 Chrysler. After all....it's 34 years later !

dkozloski
01-20-09, 06:30 PM
I suspect that the real problem was the lack of feedback in the steering system. There was no feel, no resistance, whatsoever. I was used to driving Pontiacs of the era, Catalinas and Bonnevilles, and there was no comparison. Drive the Pontiac first and the Chrysler second and you'd pull over in the Chrysler to see which tire is flat.

The Chrysler was a big old wallowing cream puff and the Pontiac a real road machine.

Sandy
01-20-09, 06:54 PM
Oh yes, that is truth. Pontiac always was the performance division of GM.
We had nothing to go against any Pontiac, period. Until 1970 with the 'Cuda. But, even that only lasted 3 years. Selling 70 71 72 'Cudas with the hemi, 440 6-pac and the other Hi Po engine options was a tough deal The buyers were in their early 20s, had zero credit, had parents who would not co-sign loans, and the kids could not get insurance. All the desire in the world to buy, but lacked the "marbles" ~ as a salesman, all we had with them was a good talk. Exercise.
We did not stock those cars. We sold some, but they had to be ordered.
We had an older clientale (I should talk...now! Feels funny saying that)
Anyhow in their 40s & 50s and then 60s and the 30s. Very affluent in many cases. Small business owners, lawyers, dentists, CPAs.

When we were short handed, I ran the shop (Asst. Shop Mgr.) THAT was the WAR ZONE. e'Body comes in mad. Car trouble. Hated the Shop. Angry people there :)

ted tcb
01-20-09, 06:58 PM
The Chrysler was a big old wallowing cream puff and the Pontiac a real road machine.

I cannot speak of the early full size GM's, but I would use your very same
adjectives to describe our 1972 Marquis Brougham, or 1974 Cougar.
By comparison, the NewYorkers I drove handled and tracked at a much higher level.
The Mercury was a softly sprung, wallowing isolation chamber.
I always thought of it as a passenger's car, while I thought of our same year NewYorker as a driver's car.
Of course, by today's standards, they all seem to come from the dark ages.

Sandy
01-21-09, 01:17 AM
'Ya, but I loved there style. I don't like today's jelly bean style where every car looks like an Infiniti, a Lexus, or a BMW (short of the grille.) Back then you could tell a Grand marquis from a Bonneville from an Imperial form a Lincoln Continential. Each was distinctive. The forthcoming 2010 Taurus looks just like the newest Lexus IS. How about the buick Lucerne & VW Passat ?? Talk about a copy !
If that Dove Grey 1978 CNY way back at post #1 had a Sun Roof (Factory) in it - - it would be here, by now in my garage ! I still love them cars. Right or wrong.... I still love 'em. Memories, I guess has some to do with it. My Dad. My Mom. Me. The people at the dealership. The actual dealership. The cars, but mostly THE IMPERIALS !! :bouncy::thumbsup: Love 'em.
(That is why I now have a Caddy & and Town Car...... No more Imps) :crybaby:

gdwriter
01-22-09, 12:25 AM
Sandy, you'll want to check out the March issue of Hemmings Classic Car, which arrived in my mailbox today. There's a buyer's guide on the 1960 Imperial, and the photo feature car is a stunning Dusk Mauve convertible with a white leather interior. You'll plotz when you see it.

Sandy
01-22-09, 04:11 PM
Where can I find it ? I have never seen it around here. Tell me the price & I'll send ya the $$$ + a little x-tra to postal mail it to me.

Sandy
01-22-09, 04:16 PM
Where can I find it ? I have never seen it around here. Tell me the price & I'll send ya the $$$ + a little x-tra to postal mail it to me.

gdwriter
01-22-09, 04:31 PM
Where can I find it ? I have never seen it around here. Tell me the price & I'll send ya the $$$ + a little x-tra to postal mail it to me.If you have a Border's or Barnes & Noble nearby, you should find it there. If not, let me know, and I'll send you a copy.