: Suddenly, "grabbing life by the horns" doesn't sound so bad.

12-30-08, 11:25 PM
I've got the newly redesigned '09 Ram brochure in front of me, and upon looking through it, I've come to believe that it may very well be the most appealing full size truck on sale now. The exterior is a feast for the eyes, the best looking truck on the market now IMO. The interior is stunning, even in the lower end models, it can be loaded with many high end features and the powertrains are extremely competitive, they're usually the most powerful in their segments.

The rather small 4.7L SOHC V8 makes 310 hp and 330 lb/ft. Here's how it stacks up against the competition:

Toyota's DOHC 4.7L iForce V8 makes 276 hp and 313 lb/ft.
GM's 4.8L OHV Vortec V8 makes 295hp and 305 lb/ft.
GM's 5.3L OHV Vortec V8 makes 315hp and 338 lb/ft.
Ford's 4.6L SOHC Triton 3V V8 makes 292hp and 320 lb/ft.

Their 5.7L Hemi is the second most powerful engine offered in a half ton truck. It makes 390hp and 407 lb/ft. Here's how it stacks up:

Toyota's DOHC 5.7L iForce V8 makes 381hp and 401 lb/ft.
Nissan's DOHC 5.6L Endurance V8 makes 317hp and 385 lb/ft.
GM's 6.2L OHV Vortec V8 makes 403hp and 417 lb/ft.
Ford's 5.4L SOHC Triton V8 makes 310hp and 365 lb/ft.

Here's an exterior picture. Compare it to the competitors. What do you think?


Ram is the best looker, then the F-150, Titan, Tundra then Sierra.

Interiors too while I'm at it....

Tundra Limited:

Titan LE:

F-150 Platinum:

Sierra Denali:

Ram Laramie:

I'd say the Ram has the best interior, followed by the F-150, Titan, Sierra and lastly the Tundra.

Overall, I have to say the Ram is my favorite, followed probably by the Titan, then the F-150, then the Tundra then the Sierra/Silverado.

So in the end, Dodge went from making the Ram barely average in most categories (aside from the diesel) to something totally outstanding in most respects. Kudos to Dodge for that, especially in these troubled times for Chrysler co. :thumbsup:

12-30-08, 11:33 PM
I agree they've done a good job with it. Looking at the side by sides, it's funny how they've all sort of followed Dodge's lead with the prominent front end "mack truck" look. :alchi:

12-30-08, 11:48 PM
I like what they've done, but I've always preferred Sierra over the competition. The Silverado doesn't do it for me styling-wise; the front end is too squishy. GM is offering great incentives on their trucks right now. You can get a Sierra SLT 4WD Extended Cab for around $30k or less, when they sticker for $36k.

12-31-08, 05:04 AM
The Silverado/Sierra and F150 are high-quality workhorses (Ford has a more durable interior), but the Ram scores for style, power, and packaging. I prefer GM trucks for the look and feel, though Edmunds recently had a tranny go kaput on a 2007 Silverado.

12-31-08, 07:13 AM
I try to not be biased, coming from a 95 Ram with the 360CI engine, and an 01 silverado with the 5.3, but I have trouble ranking the trucks. I do like the sierra the best, next the silverado.

What kills the Tundra and the Ram for me is the center stack. The ram's feels like it was chiseled out f a piece of metal, don't like that, and the tundra's center stack des a 2 tone thing.

The Titan interior looks like a thrown together mess, and the Ford's really isn't all that bad to me, but the front is odd, as is the Tundra's and Titan's.

Ram and Silverado look the bill to me. Ram always looks like it'll pulverize you if you so much as tease it, but the silverado feels like just as much truck, with less compensation for one's manhood.

I sat in and got a feel for each of these trucks when I was at an auto show in november.

12-31-08, 08:55 AM
For power, the F-150 would be my choice. The best interior, however, is dead even between the Titan LE and the Ram Laramie. The Laramie has these nice, classic, American lines and surfaces. Is it just me, or can that also be seen on other Chrysler products?

12-31-08, 09:10 AM
Meh, it's a brand new truck. In the past, it was only a leader in sheer size. For consistent, first rate trucks, give me an F-150 or Sierra/Silverado. There is nothing groundbreaking about the Ram that would make it a must-buy...

12-31-08, 09:11 AM
As for looks, I'm underwhelmed with the Ram. Give me a Sierra Denali anyday for a stylish truck...

12-31-08, 09:32 AM
I like the Dodge first, followed by the Ford and then the Chevy/GMC entries. The other kill it for me because they are foreign, and there is just something wrong with the 2 words together, as in "foreign truck" - but my #1 fav is the King Ranch Edition from Ford. How dare they put a more luxury oriented interior in a Ford truck over then that in a top shelf Lincoln!!

12-31-08, 09:56 AM
I'd go with the Chevy/GMC... But I'm not sure I could bring myself to buy a new one seeing as how they have completely dropped the option for a manual transmission even on the 3500 and work truck models. That's just not right. Trucks have clutches, dammit!

The Tony Show
12-31-08, 12:05 PM
I love the ad campaign for the new Ram. A bunch of macho type dudes with Southern accents driving through exploding buildings and jumping over hills? I wonder what demographic they're going after with those?

Lord Cadillac
12-31-08, 12:47 PM
That IS a pretty nice truck. The interior does look quite luxurious.. The only thing I'm not crazy about is the navigation. It's pretty bad in Chrysler vehicles.. Otherwise, the Ram is very nice inside and out.

12-31-08, 12:53 PM
I own an F150 FX4 and my interior is pretty spartan. I got the 08 because I think the 09 Ford front end looks like ass...but I do like the 6spd tranny in the 09. I think your HP numbers are incorrect. My 08 F150 is rated at 315HP and 365TQ. Love my Ford for the simple reason that GM wouldnt budge on price. I got my F150 at dealer cost! I pay 300/mo for 2 years and will buy it for nearly 14K when the lease is over.....nice!


12-31-08, 06:05 PM
The Ram definitely has the best looks of any of its competitors. Much better than the Tundra, that thing looks like fat woman in a flannel shirt. I'd have to give the interior to the GMC. It looks warm and inviting. The Tundra just looks awkward, that's for sure. Look at the center stack in the Ram. It looks like a little robot sitting there without a head. Meh, they could all beat the piss out of my F-150. 4.9 liter for the reliability win!


12-31-08, 06:24 PM
i would take a sierra denali or an EXT (i know not a REAL truck but i don't need oneanyways) if i wanted style. i do however like the ram a LOT better than the 05 i had. i would probobly like the new ram a lot better if the 05 would not have been a nightmare as well as a couple ram fleet trucks my familt owned having hellatious failures and electrical gremlins. to me the sierra denali wins because it's a very simple "truck" design that somehow manages elegance, never even thought those 2 things were possible on the same vehicle. also chad, maybe the fact that you worked at a GM dealership has made you tired of the silverado/sierra's. I know from working at lowes i think almost all of home depo's special order flooring is nicer. but only because i have seen ours for so long it has lost it's "newness" so for me i's say

1.Escalade EXT/Sierra Denali
2.New Dodge Ram
3.Regular yet loaded sierra
4.New Ford F-150 (although i think the new F-150 RAPTOR may take the top spot for me)
5.Nissan Titan
6 Toyota Tundra

12-31-08, 07:08 PM
also chad, maybe the fact that you worked at a GM dealership has made you tired of the silverado/sierra's.

YES. They're nice trucks, especially the GMC (I worked at Chev lol) but I wouldn't own something I saw every day.

12-31-08, 07:24 PM
YES. They're nice trucks, especially the GMC (I worked at Chev lol) but I wouldn't own something I saw every day.

lol i know very much how you feel!

12-31-08, 08:43 PM
Heck I work around Sierra trucks all the time and don't ever think I got tired of them. My mom also has a Yukon XL Denali and I never get tired of driving that truck. Great vehicles.

12-31-08, 10:59 PM
Hate the Tundra inside and out. Hate the Titan inside. Don't care for the center stack in the Ram, and I agree with F that the F-150 grille looks like ass. I'm not a truck person, but if I had to have one, it'd be the Silverado or Sierra.

01-01-09, 09:20 AM
Cummings diesel is the way to go. I get 24mpg while pulling a 36ft 5th wheel.

01-01-09, 01:50 PM
I will say that the exterior of the Dodge is amazing, but all in all I would rather have the Sierra Denali. It just looks much more sophisticated. It is not overly bold and the interior is to die for. Trucks are supposed to have column shifters, not floor shifters (unless its a manual). I like the Sierra's interior because it looks good enough to be in a car. The horizontal air vents are much more appealing, IMO, than the vertical ones in all the other trucks. The dash also has a nice curve to it while the others are just a solid, stupid, ugly looking plastic square, especially the Titan. It seems like the Sierra is saying, "While the others are trying to look big and tough, I am already there and do not need to show off to prove my worth."

01-01-09, 07:00 PM
I thought you could still get a 1/2 ton Chevy/GMC with the Vortec Max as well which is the 345 HP 380 FT/LBS 6.0 in a half ton.

Either way the GM, Ford and Mopar truck offerings are pretty good no matter which way you look at it.
The Tundra, I suppose is pretty good too. Hasen't been out long enough to see how well it will hold up.
I have never been a fan of the the Titan. Tiny Rearend, looks funky to me. The interior is pretty decent, but again when buying a truck interior is like my 3rd or 4th concern on the list.

Eric Kahn
01-02-09, 01:34 PM
I have a 99 ram that the state of KY used to own, bought it for $1800 3 months ago with 111k on it, Has Ac tilt and Cruise but crank windows. Standard cab model, dodge has always had the most room inside
Pickups are supposed to have column shifts for autos and bench type seats, and you can not get a manual in a dodge anymroe unless it is a cummins :(

01-02-09, 01:44 PM
How is Dodge Reliabilty and powertrain endurance vs The Big 2?

01-02-09, 04:30 PM
I sat in a new Ram Laramie today. Let's just say it looks a lot better than it feels.

01-02-09, 05:44 PM
I sat in a new Ram Laramie today. Let's just say it looks a lot better than it feels.

One of these times we meet up I will bring my grandfather's '02 Chevy 2500. It is fully loaded to the max with the Duramax diesel and 4wd. It is the most comfortable truck I have ever been in. The ride is no Caddy but compared with most other HD trucks it is just as good as one.

01-02-09, 07:23 PM
My father has a similar '07 Sierra Classic Duramax and it's an extremely comfortable truck.

01-02-09, 11:46 PM
I sat in a new Ram Laramie today. Let's just say it looks a lot better than it feels.

And therein lies the problem. Mopars have had some great styling over the years, but the lousy choice of materials, combined with slapdash fit and finish and spotty reliability, has condemned them to be forever also-rans. Think about it: you see 20+ year old GM and Ford full size pickups all the time. When was the last time you saw a 20+ year old Mopar pickup? If I was to buy a full size pickup, I'd have to go with GM. Best all-around package IMO.


01-02-09, 11:49 PM
My buddy bought an '08 Tundra and it was a great truck (he sold it). The Tundra was and is an ugly truck though. The 5.7i Force motor was powerful but the exterior styling sucked. The Nissan Titan is an ugly truck too IMO. Actually its the front and rear that make me say that. The rest of the truck is ok. I chose an '05 RAM Daytona quad cab and am happy with it with a few reservations. The Ford, GM trucks just didn't do anything for me when I laid eyes on my Daytona. I look forward to "50% OFF" deals on the '09 RAM trucks. :thumbsup: I may buy one if they do that deal.

01-03-09, 02:12 AM
Actually Craig, the build quality on the Ram was nice. Fit and finish was comparable to a Silverado. So Mopar has come a long way with that.

01-03-09, 07:21 PM
I probably need to check out one of these new Ram's. I was actually a big fan of the '02 when it came out, but never liked the ride or build quality of the interior. Though to be honest, the build quality of the '99-'06 Silverado/Sierra wasn't particularly great either. I remember knocking on the dash of my mom's '05 Yukon XL and just hearing this nasty hallow sound. The plastic used must have been the thinnest on earth.

01-03-09, 08:44 PM

Give me a F250 Kings Ranch