: I Took Delivery of My 09 CTS-V with Recaros. Pics Posted!!!



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Short-Throw
11-27-08, 03:55 AM
My CTS-V came in yesterday! The window sticker arrived a day prior. Those who have had window stickers sent should be close to delivery!

I ordered Thunder Gray A6 with every available option. I may have to plug in the engine block heater just to say I've used it.

I will write a full review shortly once I've had a little more seat time, although I did manage 170 on the odometer already.

My initial thoughts:

They weren't kidding when they said 556 HP! But more impressive is the torque.

The car is wonderful. It has a great exhaust note. The suede steering wheel feels great. The Recaros have come under criticism because of their price, but I feel they are a must have and were well worth it. They hold you firmly in place and are quite comfortable. The MR suspension works well. I went over a bumpy section of RR tracks and it just floated over them in tour mode where normally it would be jarring. I haven't played or programmed any of the options yet as I just wanted to focus on driving the car. The Bluetooth connection is fantastic. I made quite a bit of calls and never had a static issue.

As I posted a few days ago, I will be mounting Pirelli winter tires soon. It was 30 degrees here tonight and the car felt pretty good traction wise. The tires do get quite cold when the car sits and they need time to warm up.

The supercharger response is quick. There is torque in almost any gear. I played with the paddles a little bit just to vary the revs on break in.



More feedback soon as I need to get some sleep..................


Here are some pics I also posted in the 'new delivery' sticky.





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Feel free to fire away any questions!


Mike

JEM
11-27-08, 04:14 AM
Oh, my loins doth ache...

caddynoob
11-27-08, 06:49 AM
OMG, Thunder Gray looks amazing. Much better than I expected.

If you don't mind, can you please post a picture of the shifting "paddle" behind the steering wheel? Are they paddles or more like buttons?

Also, I would really appreciate it if you can share your thoughts on the Ultraview Sunroof. Do you hear noises when you go over speed bumps? Do does the car still feel stiff and handles well with the extra weight up top?

Thanks so much for sharing the pics with us.

readyact
11-27-08, 07:10 AM
Very nice. Now I really can't wait!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TampaV
11-27-08, 07:48 AM
Mike,

It looks fantastic. I agree with you about the Recaro seats. They really make the car complete. As you know, I had a 2005 CTS-V1. The V2 is such a big step up in all areas. It's quite amazing the species has evolved as much as it has from V1 to V2. Don't get me wrong, the first gen car is a great hot rod, but just not the same design goals as the new car. I have to applaud GM for going all out to address so many issues with the V2. Time will tell if they have pulled off what it looks like they have, but it sure seems they have checked off all of the right boxes with this new V.

I am quite jealous, but then I think about my '09 Cyber Gray Z06 with your beautiful Caravaggio seats (thanks buddy) with track upgrades being installed over at Phoenix Performance and I guess I can live a little longer before I take the plung into my own 2010 Cadillac hot rod.

I can't wait to take a spirited romp with you in January.

Enjoy the new ride and get those snows on the car if the white stuff starts falling. We need many more reports as you explore the paddle shifters in sport mode and run it through its paces at Autobahn. I guess the track report will have to wait until they open again in the spring.

Congratulations on having one of the first (if not the first) customer delivered cars. Somehow, I knew you would.

Great pictures!!! Take some of the engine bay if you get a chance.

Steve

harrysstsv
11-27-08, 07:49 AM
Congratulation Mike,

your V looks fantastic, can`t wait till the two export models arrive here at my dealer in Germany. The export models will be fully loaded and my dealer ordered one in white diamont and one in thunder-gray, not sure which one I take, both colors look good.

I keep my STS V but my XLR has to leave!!!!

Thank you for the good pictures.

Harry

Radguy
11-27-08, 08:41 AM
(A LA Led Zepplin) OOOOOOO YAHHHH, OOOOOOO-OOOOOOOO YAHHHH

Congrats on your new ride!! Seems like it will be all they said it would, and more!!

Looking forward to some great reviews.





Congratulations on having one of the first (if not the first) customer delivered cars. Somehow, I knew you would.

I figured the same thing.

Jonathan

caddiedrummer
11-27-08, 08:47 AM
Looks great. Congrats on being number 1.

IRONDOG
11-27-08, 09:15 AM
Congratulateions, Short-Throw!!

OldRoadDawg
11-27-08, 09:52 AM
Looks fantastic!

Wish I would have had the opportunity to drive one with the Recaros at Monticello. It will be interesting to hear your thoughts on the seats over an extended period of time.

Now I'll be gauche and ask 'the' question.

After months of speculation by everyone, reports in the car mags and endless predictions... optioned as your new baby is, with all the bells and whistles, . . . what figure ($$) does GM list on the bottom line of the sticker?

Razorecko
11-27-08, 10:28 AM
Congratulations dude, I can see you picked it up from the cadillac/hummer in libertyville. Thats where i threw down my deposit last week. If i dont mind me asking i'm guessing that you paid msrp correct ? - I got black/black and the first one to order the manual trans so they told me it'll be a while for the manual. Enjoy the ride. Also when you have the time if you could tell us what the break-in procedure is for the lsa supercharged engine. I'm curious how long they want it broke in for.

CIWS
11-27-08, 10:28 AM
Congrats man, and thanks for taking the time to take and post pics of your new car :thumbsup:

RightTurn
11-27-08, 10:50 AM
WOW! She's a beaut! :drool: Congrats.

dqw1
11-27-08, 11:01 AM
What a Thanksgivings for you.:cool:

JEM
11-27-08, 11:15 AM
What a Thanksgivings for you.:cool:

"Honey, turkey can wait, there's still a quarter-tank left!"

chris1268
11-27-08, 11:20 AM
Thanks for the pics and congrats. Hope to see you up at the autobahn next summer - just had my V1 up there 2 months ago and had a blast.

RightTurn
11-27-08, 11:29 AM
What a Thanksgivings for you.:cool:

:yeah: Thanksgiving and Christmas morning, all rolled into one. :drool:

Flyboy
11-27-08, 12:31 PM
Wow Nice......I actually developed some "wood" reading your description of your first impression.....Congrats from Scottsdale...

Radguy
11-27-08, 12:38 PM
Notice Mike hasn't posted yet today.
Methinks a few hours of shuteye, then he be a drivin'.

Short-Throw
11-27-08, 12:46 PM
Notice Mike hasn't posted yet today.
Methinks a few hours of shuteye, then he be a drivin'.

You are dead on!

2.5 hours sleep and back out again! It's been a long time since a 4 door car got me to my target heart rate!

More pics in a few minutes......

Radguy
11-27-08, 12:53 PM
You are dead on!

2.5 hours sleep and back out again! It's been a long time since a 4 door car got me to my target heart rate!

More pics in a few minutes......

I wonder if you have any idea whatsoever, at this moment (me included),just how many of us are living vicariously through you

BTW, 2.5 hrs--pretty good!! I would have thought less!!

Short-Throw
11-27-08, 01:09 PM
More pics in a few minutes......

The pics I first posted were taken 20 minutes before sundown. I snapped a few more today mid morning. Hopefully this will help others trying to decide on a color and show the different hues it appears to reflects given different light angles.

The paddles are easy to operate. You can slip your finger into the concave area to push or just grab the edge as it sticks out. The rev matching blipping is very neat. Driver left is downshift, driver right is upshift, pretty simple. You can also use the gear selector when it's in manual mode.

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The Recaro controls make for a plethora of options to find that perfect fit.

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Here's the stable of 556 ponies!

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You can see the engine block heater plug to the lower right of this pic.

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Cargo net.

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The battery is located in the rear right passenger fender.

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A better look at the fuse box.

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Inside the center console is a 12V power source and more importantly, a USB port for your I-pod. The required connector wire is supplied.

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Short-Throw
11-27-08, 01:09 PM
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Mike

Smokin' 04 CTS
11-27-08, 01:12 PM
too cool !!

congrats.

demorgan59
11-27-08, 01:22 PM
Congrats!! How 'bout some interior pics of the rear seat area with fold down/pass thru. Thanks for an awesome post.

thebigjimsho
11-27-08, 01:58 PM
Hey Tony, is there a time limit to putting down a deposit to picking up a V? It would feel so cool to give you a $1000 deposit to apply to a car I won't buy until late '10...:crying:

Ketzer
11-27-08, 02:03 PM
I'm sure this was covered somewhere...
Does it use a conventional ignition key? Just a fob? Start button?
Thanks for sharing with us! Helps to keep everyone else excited til we can have our own!

Jeff-

Short-Throw
11-27-08, 02:11 PM
Oh, my loins doth ache...

:histeric:


OMG, Thunder Gray looks amazing. Much better than I expected.

If you don't mind, can you please post a picture of the shifting "paddle" behind the steering wheel? Are they paddles or more like buttons?

Also, I would really appreciate it if you can share your thoughts on the Ultraview Sunroof. Do you hear noises when you go over speed bumps? Do does the car still feel stiff and handles well with the extra weight up top?

Thanks so much for sharing the pics with us.

Hi JEM,

Thanks, I am quite pleased with the color. It's one of those things you just can't tell until you see it live. The lines are well accented.

As you can see above, I posted pictures of the paddles for you.

The Ultraview Sunroof give that panoramic feel. I have heard no noises going over bumps. The car is pleasantly smooth in touring mode. You will notice this much over poorly paved roads than a few bumps here and there.

The chassis does feel stiff with a very compliant suspension. I'm still having to adapt to the fact that a four door car has a competition mode. I slid the car a little but on purpose at slower speeds, easy to do in the cold weather and it had nice balance.


Mike

jvp
11-27-08, 02:13 PM
I'm sure this was covered somewhere...
Does it use a conventional ignition key? Just a fob? Start button?


Like the standard CTS, it has what looks like a "key" in the ignition that you never remove. You can turn it to start the engine just like a normal ignition key. However, it can't turn unless the fob is in your pocket or inside the car somewhere.

jas

Short-Throw
11-27-08, 02:18 PM
Mike,

It looks fantastic. I agree with you about the Recaro seats. They really make the car complete. As you know, I had a 2005 CTS-V1. The V2 is such a big step up in all areas. It's quite amazing the species has evolved as much as it has from V1 to V2. Don't get me wrong, the first gen car is a great hot rod, but just not the same design goals as the new car. I have to applaud GM for going all out to address so many issues with the V2. Time will tell if they have pulled off what it looks like they have, but it sure seems they have checked off all of the right boxes with this new V.

I am quite jealous, but then I think about my '09 Cyber Gray Z06 with your beautiful Caravaggio seats (thanks buddy) with track upgrades being installed over at Phoenix Performance and I guess I can live a little longer before I take the plung into my own 2010 Cadillac hot rod.

I can't wait to take a spirited romp with you in January.

Enjoy the new ride and get those snows on the car if the white stuff starts falling. We need many more reports as you explore the paddle shifters in sport mode and run it through its paces at Autobahn. I guess the track report will have to wait until they open again in the spring.

Congratulations on having one of the first (if not the first) customer delivered cars. Somehow, I knew you would.

Great pictures!!! Take some of the engine bay if you get a chance.

Steve

Steve,

This car will be fun passing many Corvettes on track next season. Yours will not be one of them with you driving. I never owned a V1 but have driven them...the V2 is a different animal. reminds of the the C5 Z06 vs the C6 Z06.

I will find a warm day to get it on track before too long, but yes, the real 10/10s driving will have to wait.


Engine bay pics have been posted.


Mike

HPCC
11-27-08, 02:19 PM
Congratulations! Is that the Ebony/Ebony interior? The color of the sueded wheel is throwing me off--is it the flash or is it darker than it appears in the pictures?

jvp
11-27-08, 02:19 PM
Mike -



The chassis does feel stiff with a very compliant suspension. I'm still having to adapt to the fact that a four door car has a competition mode. I slid the car a little but on purpose at slower speeds, easy to do in the cold weather and it had nice balance.

Good for you, my friend. I'm glad you got your new car and are enjoying it so far. I was given the opportunity to ride in one back in May of this year when GM brought a couple of them down to Summit Point Raceway. The driver of the car couldn't let me drive it since it was GM's car. But the ride was enough.

The brutal acceleration was something I wasn't ready for in a 2-ton tank. More what I was used to in my Z06. The fact that it soaked up bumps around a twisty road and just stuck like glue was another thing I wasn't ready for. Absolutely incredible.

Wait till it's warmer and you start pushing that car harder. You'll be very pleasantly surprised at how compliant, and yet how solid it is.

jas

Short-Throw
11-27-08, 02:21 PM
Congratulation Mike,

your V looks fantastic, can`t wait till the two export models arrive here at my dealer in Germany. The export models will be fully loaded and my dealer ordered one in white diamont and one in thunder-gray, not sure which one I take, both colors look good.

I keep my STS V but my XLR has to leave!!!!

Thank you for the good pictures.

Harry

Thanks Harry!

Are you definitely getting one? Do you have first right of refusal for either color?

With the speeds you can employ in Germany it will not matter which color you pick, you'll never see it go by!

Mike

Short-Throw
11-27-08, 02:26 PM
I figured the same thing.

Jonathan

Hey now, don't get me in trouble, LOL


Looks great. Congrats on being number 1.

Thanks caddiedrummer,

Andy Warhol was right, I guess it's time for my 15 minutes!



Mike

Short-Throw
11-27-08, 02:34 PM
Looks fantastic!

Wish I would have had the opportunity to drive one with the Recaros at Monticello. It will be interesting to hear your thoughts on the seats over an extended period of time.

Now I'll be gauche and ask 'the' question.

After months of speculation by everyone, reports in the car mags and endless predictions... optioned as your new baby is, with all the bells and whistles, . . . what figure ($$) does GM list on the bottom line of the sticker?

I can tell you right now I will be happy with the comfort of the Recaros. I had much stiffer, less padded seats in my Z06 (the caravaggio's Steve mentioned in his earlier post) and loved them.. These feel like lazy-boys!

So I do not misquote anything, I will try to post a pic of the window sticker (I left it at the dealership) with all pricing.


Mike

Short-Throw
11-27-08, 02:42 PM
Congratulations dude, I can see you picked it up from the cadillac/hummer in libertyville. Thats where i threw down my deposit last week. If i dont mind me asking i'm guessing that you paid msrp correct ? - I got black/black and the first one to order the manual trans so they told me it'll be a while for the manual. Enjoy the ride. Also when you have the time if you could tell us what the break-in procedure is for the lsa supercharged engine. I'm curious how long they want it broke in for.

I'm not sure what led you to believe the car came from Liberyville, but it did not.

I purchased my car from Steve Foley in Northbrook.

I plan on reading the owners manual this weekend. I do not know the official recommendation for break in. I've always used common sense. Generally, it's not the engine that needs breaking in, like years ago to seat rings, but more for the drive-train.

Mike

Short-Throw
11-27-08, 02:46 PM
Congratulateions, Short-Throw!!


WOW! She's a beaut! :drool: Congrats.


What a Thanksgivings for you.:cool:


:yeah: Thanksgiving and Christmas morning, all rolled into one. :drool:

Thanks gang, have a safe holiday!


"Honey, turkey can wait, there's still a quarter-tank left!"

One thing this car has in common with my other fast cars is, when you put the hammer down, make sure you know where a gas station is!

Short-Throw
11-27-08, 02:51 PM
Thanks for the pics and congrats. Hope to see you up at the autobahn next summer - just had my V1 up there 2 months ago and had a blast.

What group did you run with?


Wow Nice......I actually developed some "wood" reading your description of your first impression.....Congrats from Scottsdale...

You better find yourself some private space for my full review! :histeric:

Do you by chance pilot a P-180 Avanti?


Mike

Short-Throw
11-27-08, 03:01 PM
Congrats!! How 'bout some interior pics of the rear seat area with fold down/pass thru. Thanks for an awesome post.

Here you go!

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3187/3063381931_2d71f9c95b_o.jpg

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Here's a picture from the rear view mirror illustrating the distance to an object utilizing the backup lights. One amber, then two amber, then the red....STOP! They are accompanied by beeps.

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Mike

thebigjimsho
11-27-08, 03:07 PM
I have to add that those rear seats are quite comfortable and very supportive while on the track. Now, I didn't have Andy Pilgrim driving and it's not often you're on the track with back seat passengers, but for the occasional recreational drive with the kiddies, it's very nice.

For the rear center passenger, probably not so much. But who gives a rat's ass for that guy? :bouncy:

Short-Throw
11-27-08, 03:17 PM
Congratulations! Is that the Ebony/Ebony interior? The color of the sueded wheel is throwing me off--is it the flash or is it darker than it appears in the pictures?

Yes, the interior is Ebony/Ebony. The flash makes the suede much lighter than it really is. I'll try to get some more representative pictures of it later.



Mike -

The brutal acceleration was something I wasn't ready for in a 2-ton tank. More what I was used to in my Z06. The fact that it soaked up bumps around a twisty road and just stuck like glue was another thing I wasn't ready for. Absolutely incredible.

Wait till it's warmer and you start pushing that car harder. You'll be very pleasantly surprised at how compliant, and yet how solid it is.

jas

Hi Jason,

Yes, the sheer power is crazy.

I was surprised by the MR shocks because I had them in my 50th anniversary Corvette when they were first introduced. I still remember how amazed I was.

I've been spoiled driving a much lighter car on track as you know, so we'll see how much time it costs me in the corners. This car will see very little track time but I'll still take it out once or twice so I'll know what it can do.


Mike

Razorecko
11-27-08, 04:54 PM
So short-throw, any plans to throw it on the dyno and see what she puts out ?

Short-Throw
11-27-08, 06:17 PM
So short-throw, any plans to throw it on the dyno and see what she puts out ?

To be honest, I've never been a fan of dynos just for measuring purposes. They really are a tuning too, not a measuring stick the aftermarket loves to use them for. It's too easy to manipulate them.

I'm not opposed to putting my CTS-V on one though, maybe I'll contradict myself and do it anyways! :hammer:

Razorecko
11-27-08, 06:28 PM
To be honest, I've never been a fan of dynos just for measuring purposes. They really are a tuning too, not a measuring stick the aftermarket loves to use them for. It's too easy to manipulate them.

I'm not opposed to putting my CTS-V on one though, maybe I'll contradict myself and do it anyways! :hammer:

Yea i'm very curious myself to the numbers because the ZR1 dyno'd pretty low, i think around 500hp. I wonder with the different internals of the motor in the cts-v will also show a lower than anticipated number in comparion to the zr1. Of course within the parameters of the lower psi by the cts-v. That brings me to the thought if the zr1 and the cts-v have the same pulley size.

chris1268
11-27-08, 06:38 PM
[QUOTE=Short-Throw;1695598]What group did you run with?



I was there with 5 guys from my office. One of our neighboring business owners is a member there. It was the same day the GM event was there with the ZR1's but we were on the other track.

Jon
11-27-08, 06:41 PM
Holy crap, congrats! I'm full of envy!

jjsC6
11-27-08, 08:46 PM
Congrats on the new car, and it's nice to see one finally delivered.:cool2:

Varsity
11-27-08, 08:51 PM
I am sooooooo grenn with envy I could be mistaken for a field of very greeeeeeen grass!

Top looking car, well done.

noelvm
11-27-08, 09:07 PM
Five pages of dribble.


HOW FAST WILL IT GO???????????????????????????????????????????????? ?

Don't tell me you belive that crap about breakin????? LOL :D:D:D It does have a warranty right???????

noelvm
Drive it like you stole it!

Todd3544
11-27-08, 09:32 PM
AWESOME.... Congratulations on finally getting delivery. Beautiful car... Watch the gas card balance....

Short-Throw
11-27-08, 09:48 PM
[QUOTE=Short-Throw;1695598]What group did you run with?



I was there with 5 guys from my office. One of our neighboring business owners is a member there. It was the same day the GM event was there with the ZR1's but we were on the other track.

Small world, I was there, August 28th Thursday. I'm a member as well, I probably know who you were with.

I was the one who drove the ZR1s around the North track with the 2 designated drivers showing them the lines for that press event. If I'm not mistaken it was cold and raining early on, correct?

Mike

demorgan59
11-27-08, 09:50 PM
Mike - Thanks for the rear seat pics. I guess the early prototype with a fold down seat didn't make production. Not that it's a big deal one way or another, although the chassis is probably a little stiffer so I'll take the small pass thru window. Beautiful car!

http://i34.tinypic.com/2uokun8.jpg

Short-Throw
11-27-08, 10:03 PM
Congrats on the new car, and it's nice to see one finally delivered.:cool2:

Thanks,

I'm sure we will see quite a few pop up in the next few weeks. I need help representing out there, I can't do it all myself! :usflag:


Mike

Short-Throw
11-27-08, 10:12 PM
HOW FAST WILL IT GO???????????????????????????????????????????????? ?


Stupid Fast!

You don't get a chance to lift before it's too late.



Don't tell me you belive that crap about breakin????? LOL :D:D:D It does have a warranty right???????


I believe it's far more important to find triple digits on the speedometer, before the odometer. :lildevil:



Mike

thebigjimsho
11-27-08, 10:17 PM
Have you redlined it yet? And if so, have you bounced off the rev-limiter yet? That was the hardest for me to figure out...even with the LED tracers...

thebigjimsho
11-27-08, 10:18 PM
Mike - Thanks for the rear seat pics. I guess the early prototype with a fold down seat didn't make production. Not that it's a big deal one way or another, although the chassis is probably a little stiffer so I'll take the small pass thru window. Beautiful car!

http://i34.tinypic.com/2uokun8.jpg
Eh, what do you really need the fold down for? You can still fit your track wheels, no problem...

Short-Throw
11-27-08, 10:19 PM
Watch the gas card balance....

It moves pretty quick, I though it was the tach at first. :histeric:

Short-Throw
11-27-08, 10:29 PM
Have you redlined it yet? And if so, have you bounced off the rev-limiter yet? That was the hardest for me to figure out...even with the LED tracers...

I haven't had any trouble with the gear selection. I don't really watch the tracers despite them being cool. If you listen to the car it makes it a lot easier than relying on visuals. Watching involves a delay as you have to mentally process it and tell your self to shift.


Mike

jvp
11-27-08, 10:41 PM
Eh, what do you really need the fold down for? You can still fit your track wheels, no problem...

What track wheels (tires) might those be? Unfortunately the only things that will fit (right now) are Hoosier R6s. And it's my understanding from certain sources that they don't hold up to the abuse the V puts on them. Something about the load rating on them not being adequate for the V.

jas

jjsC6
11-27-08, 10:42 PM
Thanks,

I'm sure we will see quite a few pop up in the next few weeks. I need help representing out there, I can't do it all myself! :usflag:


Mike

BTW, I see a couple of Corvette guys over here, I have a 09 Cyber Gray Z06 and I'm extremely active on the Corvetteforum. (jschindler).

caddynoob
11-27-08, 10:47 PM
:histeric:

.....

As you can see above, I posted pictures of the paddles for you.

The Ultraview Sunroof give that panoramic feel. I have heard no noises going over bumps. The car is pleasantly smooth in touring mode. You will notice this much over poorly paved roads than a few bumps here and there.

The chassis does feel stiff with a very compliant suspension. I'm still having to adapt to the fact that a four door car has a competition mode. I slid the car a little but on purpose at slower speeds, easy to do in the cold weather and it had nice balance.


Mike

Thank you so much Mike. I really appreciate it.

My dealer has a Thunder Grey Auto with Ultraview coming in. I was gonna order a black auto without the Ultraview roof. But if the roof doesn't make that much difference, I might just pick that one up instead of ordering mine.

I was hoping that the V will have actual paddles like those on the Ferrari and late AMG models. But I guess I can live with that.

Short-Throw
11-27-08, 11:06 PM
BTW, I see a couple of Corvette guys over here, I have a 09 Cyber Gray Z06 and I'm extremely active on the Corvetteforum. (jschindler).


Corvetteforum......hmmm........sounds familiar! :D

verbs
11-27-08, 11:12 PM
Yea i'm very curious myself to the numbers because the ZR1 dyno'd pretty low, i think around 500hp.No, that's on a Mustang dyno which registers MUCH lower than what most people use which is a dynojet.

thebigjimsho
11-27-08, 11:31 PM
What track wheels (tires) might those be? Unfortunately the only things that will fit (right now) are Hoosier R6s. And it's my understanding from certain sources that they don't hold up to the abuse the V puts on them. Something about the load rating on them not being adequate for the V.

jasI meant inside the car...in transport...

HPCC
11-28-08, 12:50 AM
Thanks for all of the great pictures--mine will be a near clone of yours sans sunroof (12/10 delivery) and the pictures have helped to affirm I made the right color choice!

So, what are the three lights between the rear map lights for? Oh, and how's the responsiveness to manual gear selection?

HPCC
11-28-08, 02:37 AM
Er, never mind about the lights--saw it in the sticky thread but missed your explanation in this thread. Still wondering how responsive you feel the auto is to manual gear selection though...

dkozloski
11-28-08, 03:17 AM
The goddam radio controls look like the Chevy Cobalt I rented a couple of days ago. Oh, the shame of it all.

urbanski
11-28-08, 04:33 AM
i updated yoru user title

harrysstsv
11-28-08, 04:35 AM
Thanks Harry!

Are you definitely getting one? Do you have first right of refusal for either color?

With the speeds you can employ in Germany it will not matter which color you pick, you'll never see it go by!

Mike

Hi Mike,
yes, I`ll buy one of these two V`s but since my XLR is thunder-gray I might go for the white diamont.

lol...you are right, even with my STS V, which shuts off at 289 kph (180 mph)
not one car ever was beating me on the Autobahn.

I was thinking about a new Vette but I use the car alot for business trips and have to take some clothings with me so a four door Z06 will be the right one for me!

I know you can fold down the back seat on the new CTS is it also on the V?

Best detailed pictures I`ve ever seen:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

Harry

Kadonny
11-28-08, 09:04 AM
Congrats, she is a beauty! Thanks for sharing all those awesome pics. They look like the polished wheels....right?

Thanks again.

charheep
11-28-08, 09:06 AM
Hey- just wanted to say congrats and that I am jealous. I just had Heritage Caddy in Lombard call me to tell me some new CTS-V's are coming in. Hard to resist.. Stupid 335i lease... :) Hope to see you on the road seeing that we are close.

caddiedrummer
11-28-08, 09:38 AM
2 questions:

I saw you post that the exhaust sounds good. How good? My M5 sounds lousy and even my Vipers sounded bad coming from the factory till I put on Corsas. Just wondering how throaty.

2nd, as a Virginian I am very familar with the front tag rule (having been pulled 9 times) Does the V come with a bracket? And where the heck would you put it?

V-Love
11-28-08, 11:56 AM
Eh, what do you really need the fold down for? You can still fit your track wheels, no problem...

Nap time before last session of the day.

jvp
11-28-08, 12:32 PM
Hey Mike -

Grab your helmet and hop in the car. Do you fit ok, with the sun/moon roof there?

jas

thebigjimsho
11-28-08, 01:17 PM
Nap time before last session of the day.
Recline the front seat...

undertaker
11-28-08, 01:24 PM
So I'm not the only corvette forum lurker here...

now I'm just having a dilema..........buy a CTSV or a third vette (still want a vert) that isn't gutted (99 427 C5R track car) or making ridiculous power (00 FRC with 850 at the wheels that runs mid 9's) to drive regularly....

I probably should be smart and wait till my 07 sub is paid off in july too and its warm enough to drive either........but GM is offering some nice deals on vettes, I'd think the CTS V's will follow shortly after the initial action...

h'mm...I probably need to figure out where I'd be storing it as well..

Short-Throw
11-28-08, 02:30 PM
Congrats, she is a beauty! Thanks for sharing all those awesome pics. They look like the polished wheels....right?

Thanks again.

Thanks, and yes, they are the polished wheels.


Hey- just wanted to say congrats and that I am jealous. I just had Heritage Caddy in Lombard call me to tell me some new CTS-V's are coming in. Hard to resist.. Stupid 335i lease... :) Hope to see you on the road seeing that we are close.

I hear you on the leasing. That is one of the drawbacks, you are either handcuffed in or forced to make a quick move when getting out.

Where are you located?



Mike

Dr Chill
11-28-08, 02:56 PM
Congrats Mike. Glad to see you got the Recaros because IMO they are a necessity for spirited driving and I know you'll be seeing the track soon. How does the acceleration feel when you stomp on it at 55 mph? I suspect the high torque should make it feel pretty quick from 55-110 mph. Any comment on the automatic tranny shifting when not in manual mode. And how 'bout them Brembos?

How about a mid Dec road trip to FL to check out the new Palm Beach International Raceway (formerly Moroso Motorsports Park). I'm running there on Dec 20.

Bill

Short-Throw
11-28-08, 03:17 PM
2 questions:

I saw you post that the exhaust sounds good. How good? My M5 sounds lousy and even my Vipers sounded bad coming from the factory till I put on Corsas. Just wondering how throaty.

2nd, as a Virginian I am very familar with the front tag rule (having been pulled 9 times) Does the V come with a bracket? And where the heck would you put it?

The exhaust sounds very throaty. It's not a sound you would normally associate with a Cadillac. I think Cadillac did a good job making it quite evident there's power, but in a subdued way.

The V does come with a front bracket. In terms of where I would put it........mine is in the trunk! :D


Mike

Short-Throw
11-28-08, 03:28 PM
Er, never mind about the lights--saw it in the sticky thread but missed your explanation in this thread. Still wondering how responsive you feel the auto is to manual gear selection though...

I will report back on this more after the weekend.

I have played with both the gear selectors and paddles. I have had no problems with either. I feel I need more seat time in the car to have a better idea of the gearing vs. speeds.

Short-Throw
11-28-08, 03:43 PM
Hey Mike -

Grab your helmet and hop in the car. Do you fit ok, with the sun/moon roof there?

jas

All my helmets are at the track garage. I will be at the speed shop next week and see if I can't get a few of my fellow racers to check head room with their head gear. I have a few helmets that have the vented air duct on top, so I'll check with those too.

Mike

Short-Throw
11-28-08, 03:46 PM
i updated your user title

:thumbsup: :cool2:

Short-Throw
11-28-08, 04:15 PM
Congrats Mike. Glad to see you got the Recaros because IMO they are a necessity for spirited driving and I know you'll be seeing the track soon. How does the acceleration feel when you stomp on it at 55 mph? I suspect the high torque should make it feel pretty quick from 55-110 mph. Any comment on the automatic tranny shifting when not in manual mode. And how 'bout them Brembos?

How about a mid Dec road trip to FL to check out the new Palm Beach International Raceway (formerly Moroso Motorsports Park). I'm running there on Dec 20.

Bill

Bill,

I dropped my car off at the dealer today so they could show it to a few potential customers. I was given a cts-4 as a loaner. The very first thing I noticed were the seats. Although quite comfortable, I'm glad I ordered the Recaros.

The more I sit in them, the more I am convinced they are worth the money.

There are so many adjustments between the side bolsters, hip bolsters, lumbar support, etc...that you can get yourself nestled in pretty good without sacrificing comfort.

The acceleration blindsides you.

I found myself a few times driving a lot faster than I would have guessed. When you hit the gas, you have an initial feel of the weight being transferred to the rear wheels, but after that, it's so silky smooth that illegal speeds approach in seconds.

As I mentioned earlier, I will update my thoughts on the manual shifting with more seat time.

As you know, I'm no stranger to Brembo's having them on my race cars and Z06. I haven't bound up the brakes too hard yet. Remember it's cold here, so brakes are only as good as tire grip.

As far as coming down to play, it would be more likely after New Years. Too many commitment already. :bonkers:


Mike

edsuski
11-28-08, 04:19 PM
Mike,

Is there a memory function for the seats? With that many adjustments - I would hate to have to keep "dialing" in the perfect combination every time a friend test drives the car.

Thanks.

Ed

MSOsr
11-28-08, 04:40 PM
Mike,

Is there a memory function for the seats? With that many adjustments - I would hate to have to keep "dialing" in the perfect combination every time a friend test drives the car.

Thanks.

Ed

I hope it has one too..but "let a friend" test drive your car?

Can I be your friend?

Mike

jvp
11-28-08, 05:04 PM
Is there a memory function for the seats? With that many adjustments

If it's anything like any other GM vehicle, the memory function (which *IS* there) will "remember" the seat forward/back, seat height, and the seat angle. Adjustments for lumbar and bolsters aren't usually stored in the memory.

jas

edsuski
11-28-08, 05:57 PM
I hope it has one too..but "let a friend" test drive your car?

Can I be your friend?

Mike

That is one of the many good things about an automatic - it is much more difficult for someone to damage your car on a test drive. I suspect my friends will be putting more miles on the car the first week than I will. I only live 8 miles from work. Any decent test drive should be longer than that. And yes Mike - you can be my friend. However, it sounds like GMS pricing will not be available until Jan. 5th. even though I have had a deposit down for ten months.

Ed

shadybx7
11-28-08, 06:41 PM
Love the Color, great choice.

Do you have any pics with the Engine cover Off???

That intake tube looks restrictive with those silencers branching off.

thanks in advance

Cowan480
11-28-08, 07:37 PM
Mike, I just read the whole thread!! You have been busy answering all those questions!! I would like to say congrats on the 09 V. Looks like a great car!! Respectfully Cowan :worship:

Short-Throw
11-28-08, 07:49 PM
Love the Color, great choice.

Do you have any pics with the Engine cover Off???

That intake tube looks restrictive with those silencers branching off.

thanks in advance

I'll try to get more detailed pics soon. The only time I've had the hood open was once to snap a few of those pics.

Mike

Short-Throw
11-28-08, 08:00 PM
Mike, I just read the whole thread!! You have been busy answering all those questions!! I would like to say congrats on the 09 V. Looks like a great car!! Respectfully Cowan :worship:

Thank you Cowan,

Hopefully some of the feedback will help others trying to make various decisions.


Mike

The Black Dahlia
11-28-08, 10:09 PM
Holy shit it looks stunning. That lifted rear brake light looks awesome!!

Congrats!!!!!!


I cant wait for these to hit the floor in Cali soon!

Nutz
11-28-08, 10:53 PM
+1 on the pics of the engine with the cover off.
:food-snacking:

dvandentop
11-28-08, 11:11 PM
looks awesome mike!!!!

Short-Throw
11-29-08, 12:14 AM
Holy shit it looks stunning. That lifted rear brake light looks awesome!!

Congrats!!!!!!


I cant wait for these to hit the floor in Cali soon!


Nice observation! I'll try to get better pics tomnorrow, but it actually acts as a spoiler.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3165/3066769367_8740c60608_o.jpg


Here's a pic of the glass opened.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3150/3066769375_699ab78dec_o.jpg



Mike

Dr Chill
11-29-08, 12:27 AM
Mike, 2 requests.

1. Please post a Pic of window sticker

2. How much was gas guzzler tax

Thanks!

urbanski
11-29-08, 06:17 AM
:thumbsup: :cool2:

thanks for joining as a supporter! you can change your title to whatever you want now

Short-Throw
11-29-08, 07:50 AM
thanks for joining as a supporter! you can change your title to whatever you want now

My pleasure........and I think you did just fine the first time!


BTW, you're up at crazy hours like me, do you ever sleep?



Mike

Short-Throw
11-29-08, 08:00 AM
looks awesome mike!!!!

Thanks DVDT!

Now for the test of will power......

I will leave it stock, I will leave it stock, I will leave it stock.............


Mike

CIWS
11-29-08, 08:36 AM
thanks for joining as a supporter!

:yeah:

afterdigital
11-29-08, 09:58 AM
Congrats!!!!

time for some mods, time for some mods, time for some mods....

but seriously, what the hell can you mod on this thing that it doesn't already have?!?

Short-Throw
11-29-08, 11:09 AM
Congrats!!!!

time for some mods, time for some mods, time for some mods....

but seriously, what the hell can you mod on this thing that it doesn't already have?!?

Don't get me going....

I've already discussed this with Katech. But yes, the car is simply awesome right out of the wrapper.


Mike

thebigjimsho
11-29-08, 12:00 PM
Nice observation! I'll try to get better pics tomnorrow, but it actually acts as a spoiler.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3165/3066769367_8740c60608_o.jpg



MikeThe V1's 3rd brake light is the same. It's just not as pronounced...

chris1268
11-29-08, 12:03 PM
[quote=chris1268;1695685]

Small world, I was there, August 28th Thursday. I'm a member as well, I probably know who you were with.

I was the one who drove the ZR1s around the North track with the 2 designated drivers showing them the lines for that press event. If I'm not mistaken it was cold and raining early on, correct?

Mike


yes sir that was the day. Bob Lutz was there. I bet that was an absolute blast running the ZR1. Well as soon as I get my V2 i'll be bringing it out I hope. Obviously I'll be waiting till spring though now:bomb:

chris1268
11-29-08, 12:12 PM
All my helmets are at the track garage. I will be at the speed shop next week and see if I can't get a few of my fellow racers to check head room with their head gear. I have a few helmets that have the vented air duct on top, so I'll check with those too.

Mike


Hey Mike, what shop do you goto around here?

jhufton
11-29-08, 04:30 PM
Mike,

Once again congratulations on the new ride. Your pictures turned out better than the ones I took on my iPhone yesterday at the dealership. ;-)

Do get those Sottozeros on quickly before the snow flies tomorrow and let us know how well they do controlling all that wonderful torque in the snow.

JDH

afterdigital
11-29-08, 05:23 PM
does the V come in AWD? is that a silly question? (Just thinking about the snow)

PS what a beautiful car - hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm :sigh:

Short-Throw
11-29-08, 05:57 PM
Going on 4 days now with 280 on the odometer, this car continues to impress me.

Here are some more pics:

The on board G meter is neat. I was able to pull .88 left and .94 right on very cold tires and pavement. What is more impressive is I actually captured this shot mid turn. The live G reading zeros out after a turn.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3287/3068588159_e743fa189f_o.jpg


The next two pics illustrate the thigh support for those that have longer legs.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3227/3068588105_18c13db9b9_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3068/3069425682_fab1bd1231_o.jpg


Here is the sunshade and a good look at the double roof glass.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3025/3069425548_0124831e9c_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3002/3068587961_13f32381cf_o.jpg


The CTS-V third light is integrated nicely into a rear spoiler that has a higher lip than the base model.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3292/3068587939_042c9b2c5b_o.jpg

Front and rear wheels. The Winter Pirelli's go on early next week.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3138/3069425646_49caec626d_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3288/3069425624_f9a0f17437_o.jpg



http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3014/3068588189_295d50cf67_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3145/3068588019_da5351853c_o.jpg




Mike

Short-Throw
11-29-08, 06:00 PM
Hey Mike, what shop do you goto around here?

Are you referring to race apparel or race car prep?

afterdigital
11-29-08, 06:10 PM
holy sh*t batman - that car is f*cking HOT

Keep taking pictures and i'll keep drooling LOL

Short-Throw
11-29-08, 06:25 PM
Mike,

Once again congratulations on the new ride. Your pictures turned out better than the ones I took on my iPhone yesterday at the dealership. ;-)

Do get those Sottozeros on quickly before the snow flies tomorrow and let us know how well they do controlling all that wonderful torque in the snow.

JDH


Thanks JDH,

It was nice to meet you!

Let me know when you're ready for a ride!


Mike

Short-Throw
11-29-08, 06:39 PM
does the V come in AWD? is that a silly question? (Just thinking about the snow)

PS what a beautiful car - hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm :sigh:

It's not a silly question at all. It only comes in rear wheel drive. The Pirelli's will be a great help. It's a tire commonly used on the M5 and M3 for winter.

I will post pics early next week once I have them mounted.

The car has been getting a lot of attention. Many look at it trying to figure out if it's the new monster or not. I've had quite a bit of inquiries getting in and out of the cars as I have run errands the last few days.



Mike

Silver -V-
11-29-08, 06:59 PM
Mike -
Are the front Rotors not slotted? Every magazine review I saw said they would be, and from your photos they don't look that way.

dqw1
11-29-08, 07:24 PM
I noticed the same thing looking at the wheels.

TampaV
11-29-08, 08:00 PM
Mike -
Are the front Rotors not slotted? Every magazine review I saw said they would be, and from your photos they don't look that way.

That's a good thing... All slotted or drilled rotors do is crack much more quickly when heated to track temps. The fact that GM decided to release it with non-slotted rotors speaks to their serious performance aspirations for the car, rather than bowing to the pressure of the marketing group.

gonzalezfj
11-29-08, 09:08 PM
A really beautiful car, Mike. I'm not a fan of gray, but it's beginning to grow on me.

A couple of points:
1) The folding rear seat is an option in the plain-vanilla CTS. My wife's 09 has it, but most cars I have seen do not. Don't know about the -V.
2) When you are ready to take it to Autobahn, I volunteer to bring a yellow "pace-car" C6Z to help you around the track. :histeric:
3) On the plain-vanilla CTS the manual upshifts occur RIGHT NOW. The downshifts are faster or slower depending on how much the computer has to rev up the engine to match the road speed. The CTS-V car was tuned and approved by John Heinricy. That guarantees you will NOT be disappointed. :worship:
4) I envy those Recaros... :cool2: :highfive:

Enjoy, buddy (and get back to the Vette Forum soon, we miss you).

Frank Gonzalez

shadybx7
11-29-08, 09:08 PM
damn those wheels are hot!!! So much hotter then the stock wheels on the V1..

Vrocks
11-29-08, 11:54 PM
Mike -
Are the front Rotors not slotted? Every magazine review I saw said they would be, and from your photos they don't look that way.
Yeah, that's strange that they made a last minute switch. The cars at the Monticello event didn't have slotted rotors either (the red and silver caliper versions).

ShockerV
11-30-08, 12:17 AM
Awesome car!! I hope to get one next year.

thebigjimsho
11-30-08, 12:27 AM
Mike -
Are the front Rotors not slotted? Every magazine review I saw said they would be, and from your photos they don't look that way.


Yeah, that's strange that they made a last minute switch. The cars at the Monticello event didn't have slotted rotors either (the red and silver caliper versions).I believe that the rotors on the stock V are slotted but the 2 piece in the track package are solid.

CopperSunburstCTS
11-30-08, 01:46 AM
Congrats! For those of us getting one to use as a daily driver, I am curious to know how quiet the Supercharger is? Is there a whine at all? If so, do you hear it at all in regular (mere mortal speeds) driving, or just when you get into it (for flying V speeds)? I know you said the ride was compliant, but when you drove the regular CTS-4 you mentioned as a loaner, do you feel the V was about as comfortable? I know the V suspension springs have a 10% greater rate over the regular CTS, and the stabalizer bars are larger, but the MR suspension may help counter some/all of that over bumps. How do you feel it compares to the regular CTS you drove? And thanks for answering all our questions in between your runs!

thebigjimsho
11-30-08, 03:00 AM
I believe that the rotors on the stock V are slotted but the 2 piece in the track package are solid.Or maybe not. I see your calipers are not the track optional ones...

Caddyscat
11-30-08, 05:43 AM
I am curious to know how quiet the Supercharger is?

uIij-7LWh5s

Varsity
11-30-08, 06:35 AM
The car looks awesome, but could someone esplain the track brake option please?

jvp
11-30-08, 09:20 AM
The car looks awesome, but could someone esplain the track brake option please?

The stock rotors are dual-cast iron and aluminum, but still one piece. They're also slotted. The "track brake" package replaces just the front rotors with two-piece rotor (iron rotor, aluminum hat) that are no longer slotted. It also replaces the calipers with red powder-coated ones, but they're no different other than the color.

The replacement front rotors should be a bit more stout for use on the track (ie, heat). And since they're not slotted, they'll have a tiny bit more swept area for contact with the pads.

In the end, if you intend to track your car, you can probably just wait for the track rotors to be available through SPO, and swap them out yourself. Unless you really need to "bling" of the red calipers. Everything else (calipers, pads, etc) is the same.

jas

Jayrcr3
11-30-08, 10:52 AM
Have you humbled anyone who thought they had a fast car yet?

Short-Throw
11-30-08, 11:00 AM
2) When you are ready to take it to Autobahn, I volunteer to bring a yellow "pace-car" C6Z to help you around the track. :histeric:

Frank Gonzalez

Frank,

As fast as this thing is, at two tons + I will not be losing you in any corners. I can however now scare 3 people at once instead of my usual 1.


Mike

Short-Throw
11-30-08, 11:02 AM
damn those wheels are hot!!! So much hotter then the stock wheels on the V1..

I'm quite happy with the look of the wheels. They compliment the car, not over power it with too much bling.

Short-Throw
11-30-08, 11:16 AM
Congrats! For those of us getting one to use as a daily driver, I am curious to know how quiet the Supercharger is? Is there a whine at all? If so, do you hear it at all in regular (mere mortal speeds) driving, or just when you get into it (for flying V speeds)? I know you said the ride was compliant, but when you drove the regular CTS-4 you mentioned as a loaner, do you feel the V was about as comfortable? I know the V suspension springs have a 10% greater rate over the regular CTS, and the stabalizer bars are larger, but the MR suspension may help counter some/all of that over bumps. How do you feel it compares to the regular CTS you drove? And thanks for answering all our questions in between your runs!

If you are driving the car with a light foot, there really isn't any boost of the Supercharger and the only thing you hear is the throaty exhaust. When you push the accelerator just past half way, you can hear the SC, but it is smooth and sounds great.

I would classify the ride in the base CTS as numb. The car was very comfortable but had no road feel. With the MR suspension turned to tuning in the V, the car feels just as comfortable, but with precise handling. In Sport mode it would compare it to an M5 ride.

One more thing I would like to add:


The Bluetooth is incredible. It does a fantastic job of filtering out any noise. I have repeatedly ask different people I was on the phone with how I sounded. Most didn't even know I was in the car. Not one person heard any noise when I gave it gas hard.




Mike

afterdigital
11-30-08, 11:55 AM
umm - could i bother you for some more pics - i can't seem to get enough LOL

dammm! that's a beautiful machine.... very happy for you...

LV_V
11-30-08, 12:03 PM
I. Am. Jealous.

Enjoy!!!

//ZZ//
11-30-08, 01:16 PM
Congratulations! I love your pictures and all the comments. Thanks!

chris1268
11-30-08, 01:35 PM
Are you referring to race apparel or race car prep?

speed shop?

Short-Throw
11-30-08, 02:52 PM
I. Am. Jealous.

Enjoy!!!

Don't be, you've had a V 5 years before me! :thumbsup:


Congratulations! I love your pictures and all the comments. Thanks!

Thanks, I'm just trying to give feedback as it comes up!


Mike

Short-Throw
11-30-08, 05:38 PM
speed shop?

Nice speaking with you Chris.

Hope this coming week includes you taking delivery of your car.


Mike

Short-Throw
11-30-08, 06:37 PM
holy sh*t batman - that car is F!ing HOT

Keep taking pictures and i'll keep drooling LOL


Congratulations! I love your pictures and all the comments. Thanks!

Thank you,

Here are a few more!

09 CTS VS. 09 CTS-V 3rd light spoiler view.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3286/3072679716_a5bd0c177b_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3150/3072679660_211134f60f_o.jpg


From the front.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3213/3072679744_de7e6ea8cf_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3026/3072679776_f070bb2978_o.jpg



Always good to see the CTS-V staged with it's competitors! :D :rofl:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3024/3071843603_71876c09bb_o.jpg





Mike

Short-Throw
11-30-08, 07:03 PM
Looks fantastic!

Now I'll be gauche and ask 'the' question.

After months of speculation by everyone, reports in the car mags and endless predictions... optioned as your new baby is, with all the bells and whistles, . . . what figure ($$) does GM list on the bottom line of the sticker?


Mike, 2 requests.

1. Please post a Pic of window sticker

2. How much was gas guzzler tax

Thanks!


So I do not misquote anything, I will try to post a pic of the window sticker (I left it at the dealership) with all pricing.

Mike



As promised, here is the window sticker. This car has every available option.

Best option if you have trouble seeing it is to, right click it, save it, and turn it 90 degrees on your on screen.

Remember listed here is also the gas guzzler tax for the Automatic which really isn't an option.

It didn't come out as clear as I wanted, but it'll be enough for you to extrapolate the info.


I loaded it sideways on purpose so it wouldn't subject us all to a horizontal scroll bar.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3230/3071892259_d6458856d8_b.jpg



Mike

chris1268
11-30-08, 07:30 PM
Nice speaking with you Chris.

Hope this coming week includes you taking delivery of your car.


Mike

Nice speaking with you also Mike. Thanks for the info.

I'm guessing since it's snowing today I'll get it tomorrow:banghead:

readyact
11-30-08, 07:34 PM
Thanks for posting the window sticker as it is a great help. Also does the rear 3rd break light/spoiler glow or light up at night as I have read in some other post?

afterdigital
11-30-08, 07:40 PM
what are the largest rims you can get on it?

70k for one of the fastest sedan's in the world?!?!! How could GM drop the ball by being where they are today? Had they made cars like this for the last 25 years, they would be in much better shape...

lasstss
11-30-08, 08:40 PM
OK, Ill ask as I dont know if anyone else did. Notorious for detonating diff's and wheel hop, what happens when you launch this thing??

jvp
11-30-08, 08:49 PM
Notorious for detonating diff's and wheel hop, what happens when you launch this thing??

A driver from GM's HPVO demonstrated this for a large crowd at Summit Point Raceway back in May. He left 2 sets of very expensive Michelin PS2 tracks on the ground through first and part of second gear.

The driveshafts aren't the same thickness, which helps (significantly) reduce the axle tramp the previous V suffered from. Further, the diff is a bit tougher, so that if it does happen, the diff can take it.

jas

Nutz
11-30-08, 08:55 PM
Like this video my wife shot...


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And this one also...

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jvp
11-30-08, 10:06 PM
Like this video my wife shot...


That would be it. I'm in the crowd in the background, somewhere. :-)

jas

V-Love
11-30-08, 10:52 PM
OK, Ill ask as I dont know if anyone else did. Notorious for detonating diff's and wheel hop, what happens when you launch this thing??

They fixed all of that. Its a different beast all together.

vulcan33
11-30-08, 11:04 PM
Lasstss - Where you been? The information on the dissimilar drive shafts has
been out for 6 months with all the car mags raving about the lack of wheel hop something the Nissan GT-R owners are complaining about and could be causing their transmission failures (load shock).

tblack
11-30-08, 11:58 PM
Congrats Bro.

At the same time, damn you!

Now I gotta get rid of this 2008 BMW M3.....

Anybody want a white M3 coupe?

funkcity
12-01-08, 12:55 AM
Lasstss - Where you been? The information on the dissimilar drive shafts has
been out for 6 months with all the car mags raving about the lack of wheel hop something the Nissan GT-R owners are complaining about and could be causing their transmission failures (load shock).

Also the Getrag differential is a very heavy duty quad gear cast iron affair with lots of precision and power capacity.
This is partly why the V2 is heavier but much more bulletproof!

Thank Mr. Lutz. The last American car guy manufacturer standing!
These times will never happen again in light of the current and future economic realities.

Knuguy
12-01-08, 01:24 AM
These times already happened, look at the cars of the mid 70's early 80's- high oil prices / everyone looking for fuel economy / imports start making an impact. Its a cycle, doom and gloom and then the sun shines again and we forget how bad it can be...then wham...

GetzCTS
12-01-08, 02:22 AM
Car looks amazing congrats. All it needs is it to be lowered and paint the wheels the color of the car and it will look insane.:thumbsup:

Short-Throw
12-01-08, 09:45 AM
Also does the rear 3rd break light/spoiler glow or light up at night as I have read in some other post?

Where have you read that?

1st pic is car running with lights on, 2nd pic is with brake depressed.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3136/3073808647_414e4eeac3_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3229/3073808633_c79d089de9_o.jpg




Mike

concorso
12-01-08, 10:51 AM
what are the largest rims you can get on it? Why would you want larger rims? Sorta ruins the whole point of the car... Unless you are getting some superlight/strong BBS or CCW's or something like that. Congratulating GM on their engineering masterpiece and then putting big rims on it is a whole heap of irony :)


Great pictures here, Short Throw! How about some shots from inside at night? Both the interior and looking out the windshield! OR better yet, a video from inside the car while youre out for one of your drives. :) Throw a DigiCam on a seat tripod and away you go :)

Im talking to my salesmen when he gets back this wk from his vacation. Since the V coupe is probably cancelled, or at least held back, Im going to lok at the sedan now.

How's the exhuast sound?

readyact
12-01-08, 11:01 AM
Where have you read that?






Mike


My bad I thought I read it somewhere. I thought it was kinda strange that it would light up with the taillights. I'll try to dig up what I read. Thanks.

Albertan
12-01-08, 11:21 AM
Congrats Bro.

At the same time, damn you!

Now I gotta get rid of this 2008 BMW M3.....

Anybody want a white M3 coupe?
tblack
I note you are in Calgary. I assume you sold the 2007V for the 2008 M3?
I was at BMW dealership and they wouldn't give me the time of day.
How do you like the M3? I'm sure someone will take it off your hands next spring for a big price reduction.

Stangar
12-01-08, 11:38 AM
Short-Throw,

Beautiful car! Congrats!

I'd like to know what RPM you're turning at 60 mph? Thank you. -Stangar

Short-Throw
12-01-08, 01:47 PM
Well, it looks like the road sludge has finally made it's way here. So much for keeping the car continually spotless.


Here is the car's last time it will be so pristine.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3157/3074328769_e73c8099dc_o.jpg



It was a real adventure driving the CTS-V this morning. Icy roads and low temps made it a skid pad exercise every time the car moved. I wanted to get my snow tires on before the weekend but because of the holiday, I never made it. I drove over to the shop to have them installed today. It was not an enjoyable drive. The car even with a 2nd gear start was squirrelly. Once I found the salted main street it wasn't as bad.


Here is a pic of the stock front tire next to the new Pirelli. Yes, the stock one is wet.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3173/3075165876_a88949c80f_o.jpg


...and the rears.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3168/3074328967_6afb14989d_o.jpg


Here's a profile of both. Can you tell which is which? The snow is on the left.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3002/3074328821_cbb3ae0943_o.jpg

On stock wheels and tires.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3041/3075166118_e5a4ab9aa3_o.jpg


On stock wheels with snow tires.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3060/3075166098_ab15bd4fdd_o.jpg

Stock

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3195/3074329113_bb7be4ccc2_o.jpg


Snow

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3206/3074329011_b60a4b2978_o.jpg


Upon leaving the shop, there was no noticeable difference in the comfort. The differences will be felt more in higher performance driving as the winter tires have softer sidewalls. The tires are phenomenal. The car is now sure-footed and performed beyond my expectations on the mere wet roads. Make no mistake, you still have to exercise common sense and drive slow.

I hope I can find a few nice days where the sport suspension will be needed, but for now it looks like touring mode until April.

I highly recommend these tires even if you will never see snow, but still cold temperatures.






Mike

DonaemouS
12-01-08, 03:00 PM
Where have you read that?

1st pic is car running with lights on, 2nd pic is with brake depressed.

Mike

Hey Mike, I missed your thread. Really useful for me.

I'm designing the 2009 CTS-V. Or, at least, I already did all stuffs. I now placing the rear turn signals. Your pictures show rear tail and brake lights...

ermmmmh............ can u also get a picture like that with left or right turn signal on?

b4z
12-01-08, 03:01 PM
I'm feeling like there is still too much brightwork on this car.
Maybe a "Shadowline" trim option like BMW offers?
Take the chrome trim around the doors and roof and paint it glossy black.
Or even shadow chrome or something.
I think the vent on the fender and the bright piece over the license plate would also look good in a different color, etc.

Florian
12-01-08, 04:28 PM
claybar that ride and Zaino the living hell out of it before it sees salt....

Beautiful ride....congrats.


F

caddiedrummer
12-01-08, 04:34 PM
Short Throw--you must have friends in high places. The car I ordered has been sitting in an East coast distribution lot since last week.

CASEY122457
12-01-08, 04:36 PM
Very nice ride. Just a thought; have you considered a 3M clear bra? You and I both know how much salt is used around Chicago.

tblack
12-01-08, 07:58 PM
tblack
I note you are in Calgary. I assume you sold the 2007V for the 2008 M3?
I was at BMW dealership and they wouldn't give me the time of day.
How do you like the M3? I'm sure someone will take it off your hands next spring for a big price reduction.


Yeah I got rid of the 07 V for the M3 coupe. I like the M3, it handles beautifully and is a blast to drive but there's no torque. Plus I'm tired of every 335i driver trying to race me down Macleod.

I find Calgary BMW to be a friendlier dealer compared to BMW Gallery.

Nutz
12-01-08, 10:07 PM
Quite possibly the coolest winter car pic I've ever seen.

V-Love
12-01-08, 10:51 PM
claybar that ride and Zaino the living hell out of it before it sees salt....

Beautiful ride....congrats.F

Agreed! A good wax on/wax off will keep the mung from hittin the paint. Careful with that thing in the snow. You lucky bastard.
Whats your first mod?
Who will be the V2's first Chef?
Who will be our next Stealth?

Short-Throw
12-02-08, 12:23 AM
Short-Throw,

Beautiful car! Congrats!

I'd like to know what RPM you're turning at 60 mph? Thank you. -Stangar

I will report back on this tomorrow in 5th and 6th gear.

Mike

Short-Throw
12-02-08, 12:35 AM
Great pictures here, Short Throw! How about some shots from inside at night?

How's the exhuast sound?

The exhaust sounds great. I really like it at idle. Not obnoxious and just enough lope to heed warning.


As requested:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3207/3075929585_c3df1e909f_o.jpg


Here's a little darker shot.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3149/3076762298_ded0ac706e_o.jpg


Not a bad song choice either, huh?



Mike

Short-Throw
12-02-08, 12:40 AM
Hey Mike, I missed your thread. Really useful for me.

I'm designing the 2009 CTS-V. Or, at least, I already did all stuffs. I now placing the rear turn signals. Your pictures show rear tail and brake lights...

ermmmmh............ can u also get a picture like that with left or right turn signal on?

How about both?

Please let me know when my share of the royalty checks come in! :D

Here you go!

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3157/3075945261_3ac292ea9d_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3246/3075945243_e70eda503e_o.jpg


Mike

Short-Throw
12-02-08, 12:52 AM
Quite possibly the coolest winter car pic I've ever seen.


Which one?

CSX
12-02-08, 01:20 AM
I am insanely jealous. Car looks great in Thunder Gray, much sharper looking than I expected.

Oh, and I'd highly recommend a clear bra for your car, especially being that you'll be driving it daily in the snow. It was the first thing I stuck on my Trans-Am when I bought it, and almost five years later, it's still holding strong, with small rock chips only in the areas not covered by the bra. Definitely a worthwhile investment, as far as I'm concerned.

Nutz
12-02-08, 03:04 AM
Which one?

I think the twinkling headlight is cool.:thumbsup:

OldDrummer55
12-02-08, 05:36 AM
A wonderful, WONDERFUL piece of US engineering. Thanks for sharing!

caddynoob
12-02-08, 10:25 AM
Please let us know how the car drives in snow with snow tires. I am still debating whether it is worth putting on the snow tires on the car or just drive the winter beater.

Short-Throw
12-02-08, 06:13 PM
Short-Throw,

Beautiful car! Congrats!

I'd like to know what RPM you're turning at 60 mph? Thank you. -Stangar


I will report back on this tomorrow in 5th and 6th gear.

Mike

Stangar,

At 60 MPH in 6th gear the car turns 1600RPM

At 60 MPH in 5th gear the car turns 2100RPM

If you lower the speed 5 MPH, you will lower the RPM by 100.


Mike

Short-Throw
12-02-08, 06:19 PM
Very nice ride. Just a thought; have you considered a 3M clear bra? You and I both know how much salt is used around Chicago.


Oh, and I'd highly recommend a clear bra for your car, especially being that you'll be driving it daily in the snow. Definitely a worthwhile investment, as far as I'm concerned.

Thanks,

I'm looking into a clear bra.....I've never liked the partial coverage kits.



I am insanely jealous. Car looks great in Thunder Gray, much sharper looking than I expected.


For some reason this car looks a whole lot better in person vs pics. It has a great stance to it. The front end has great lines and doesn't look like a sedan at all.

Everybody keeps staring at it. I'm not sure if they realize they just saw the new 09 CTS-V, or simply just like the way it looks and not sure what it is.



Mike

the cadillac kid
12-02-08, 08:21 PM
congrats, and let me know if you need a place to store it :yup:

Short-Throw
12-02-08, 09:26 PM
Please let us know how the car drives in snow with snow tires. I am still debating whether it is worth putting on the snow tires on the car or just drive the winter beater.

The Pirellis have made a huge difference! In the cold weather alone they have provided incredible grip relative to the snow and cold asphalt. The car is very manageable and does not spin the rear tires with prudent throttle control.


The price of the tires more than makes up for the price of a few quarter panels.


Mike

gonzalezfj
12-02-08, 09:36 PM
Short Throw--you must have friends in high places. The car I ordered has been sitting in an East coast distribution lot since last week.


As a matter of fact, he does... :yup:

Frank Gonzalez

Short-Throw
12-02-08, 11:34 PM
A wonderful, WONDERFUL piece of US engineering. Thanks for sharing!

You are correct, and I'm just glad to be a recipient of it!


congrats, and let me know if you need a place to store it :yup:

I assume you would feed it and take it for a run everyday too, correct? :D



Mike

the cadillac kid
12-02-08, 11:40 PM
I assume you would feed it and take it for a run everyday too, correct? :D



Mike

why, of course.

HPCC
12-03-08, 12:21 AM
Mike,

So what's the final word on the spare tire situation? As I'm sure you know, since the unveiling we've heard run-flats and not run-flats. If not run-flats, do we get a full-size spare or a mini-doughnut? Or a can of goo? :eek:


T-minus one week and counting...

Short-Throw
12-03-08, 09:39 AM
Mike,

So what's the final word on the spare tire situation? As I'm sure you know, since the unveiling we've heard run-flats and not run-flats. If not run-flats, do we get a full-size spare or a mini-doughnut? Or a can of goo? :eek:


T-minus one week and counting...

The Michelin's are not EMTs. There is not a full size spare nor a space saver.

There is room to anchor a space saver if you felt the need.

I've heard that the newer sealants do not ruin the actual tire like years ago. Can anybody confirm this?


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3204/3080106780_972813dfbe_o.jpg

The compressor can be used for obviously sealant, but also pure air for filling low tires or blowing up basketballs, air mattresses, etc...

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3186/3079271563_0f537563a5_o.jpg




Mike

atdeneve
12-03-08, 10:28 AM
Looky there, even set you up with a compressor for track days. How convenient.

JBsZ06
12-03-08, 10:29 AM
Having owned a 2001 Z06 with non runflat tires standard and no spare either..I drove to k mart and bought for 20 dollars total a cigarette lighter powered air compressor and a plug kit.

I never fixed a flat before in my life and quite honestly after getting my first flat...it took me less time to inflate the tire find the nail, mark the hole, use the little plug kit and reinflate the tire to by on my way then its taking me to type this.

Do yourself a favor ....buy a flat tire plug kit and have a compressor in the trunk...Have a cell phone or onstar and enjoy the non runflat tires performance, handling and ride benefits.

When the runflat tires on my 2008 c6 wear out...I'm definitely buying non runflat tires.

Awesome car that new V Series...WOW!

Short-Throw
12-03-08, 11:02 AM
Do yourself a favor ....buy a flat tire plug kit and have a compressor in the trunk...Have a cell phone or onstar and enjoy the non runflat tires performance, handling and ride benefits.

Awesome car that new V Series...WOW!

That's good advice and something I already have in all my cars. I actually keep 3 full repair kits in my truck and enclosed trailer when towing my race cars.

Most repair kits offer the sealant, the gummy strips and a mini awl. You should add a set of pliers (to pull foreign matter out of tire) and a wire cutter (to cut gummy strip exposed end) to make the job effortless.

If you're in the snow-belt, keep a plastic trash bag in the trunk so you can kneel down during the repair and keep your pants clean during inclement weather.



Mike

JEM
12-03-08, 11:05 AM
Compressor looks exactly like the one in my E39 M5.

BMW changed the compressor/goop supplier around 2002, and the earlier ones were supposedly recalled/replaced (though no one told me until...2005?) - they'd give you the new one but they didn't want the old one back, so it makes a nice battery-powered compressor for other uses.

The only time I've ever had to use the goop, I had a broken valvestem and the goop didn't do a damn bit of good.

chris1268
12-03-08, 11:15 AM
That's good advice and something I already have in all my cars. I actually keep 3 full repair kits in my truck and enclosed trailer when towing my race cars.

Most repair kits offer the sealant, the gummy strips and a mini awl. You should add a set of pliers (to pull foreign matter out of tire) and a wire cutter (to cut gummy strip exposed end) to make the job effortless.

If you're in the snow-belt, keep a plastic trash bag in the trunk so you can kneel down during the repair and keep your pants clean during inclement weather.



Mike


Thanks for the advice - I'm going to stop tonight and pick it up

b4z
12-03-08, 11:29 AM
For anybody who has gone from runflats to non runflats, i'm assuming that you get better ride quality but do you lose a little turn in and ultimate grip do to the softer sidewalls?

thebigjimsho
12-03-08, 02:00 PM
For anybody who has gone from runflats to non runflats, i'm assuming that you get better ride quality but do you lose a little turn in and ultimate grip do to the softer sidewalls?Depends on the tire. Going to PS2s you lose some edge of the immediate turn-in but ultimate grip is still there...

edsuski
12-03-08, 02:18 PM
Depends on the tire. Going to PS2s you lose some edge of the immediate turn-in but ultimate grip is still there...

The sidewall and tread is about the worst place you could add extra weight to a car. The rotational inertia (the resistance of the tire/wheel combination to accelerate or decelerate) will increase 0-60 times, stopping distances and 1/4 mile times. Run flat tires are not a good idea for any high performance vehicle (IMHO).

caddynoob
12-03-08, 04:02 PM
The Pirellis have made a huge difference! In the cold weather alone they have provided incredible grip relative to the snow and cold asphalt. The car is very manageable and does not spin the rear tires with prudent throttle control.


The price of the tires more than makes up for the price of a few quarter panels.


Mike

I was actually thinking about just not drive the car in winter. But I don't think I can resist that temptation. Not that my dealer has a car anyways. :mad:

BTW, the air compressor in the trunk is a nice touch.

Short-Throw
12-03-08, 04:41 PM
I was actually thinking about just not drive the car in winter. But I don't think I can resist that temptation. Not that my dealer has a car anyways. :mad:

BTW, the air compressor in the trunk is a nice touch.

I could understand putting the car away if you lived in a remote spot where streets aren't plowed. There aren't too many times streets are not drivable for any long period of time here.

(nudge nudge) The supercharger loves the cool temps! :devil:

I had an SSEi years ago and one of my favorite features was the built in air compressor in the trunk. I think every car should have one.



Mike

thebigjimsho
12-03-08, 07:29 PM
The sidewall and tread is about the worst place you could add extra weight to a car. The rotational inertia (the resistance of the tire/wheel combination to accelerate or decelerate) will increase 0-60 times, stopping distances and 1/4 mile times. Run flat tires are not a good idea for any high performance vehicle (IMHO).
It's a good thing that the Z06, ZR1 or Veyron don't have runflats.

edsuski
12-03-08, 08:13 PM
It's a good thing that the Z06, ZR1 or Veyron don't have runflats.

Look up "Rotational Inertia" in a high school or college physics book and you will understand why it is the wrong thing to do.

Short-Throw
12-03-08, 08:48 PM
Run flat tires are not a good idea for any high performance vehicle (IMHO).


Look up "Rotational Inertia" in a high school or college physics book and you will understand why it is the wrong thing to do.

You are 100% correct that 'Unsprung Weight' is a huge factor and a liability when it comes to performance.

To say it's the wrong thing to do on a performance car is correct, but I think it may be a little harsh regarding a performance car that is meant to be a daily driver. Yes, other performance cars come with MPSC's so it can be done.
There are however, other factors that manufacturers have to battle with to give us our demanded performance that aren't so apparent to the average speed junkie! (Costs, Lawyers, Marketing, Legal, etc...)

I know of 2 people that suffered blowouts in Z06's, one cruised to safety (yes EMTs), one totaled his car and was very lucky he wasn't hurt, you guessed it, no EMTs.

Also, running EMTs can save you the cost of a rim as well.

If you are driving in a manner that requires more performance than an EMT race tire can give you on the public roads you're probably risking lives. If you're driving the car on the track, then yes, get rid of those EMTs as fast as possible.



Mike

Short-Throw
12-03-08, 08:58 PM
I may throw up another thread with a better review of Winter driving in the CTS-V, but FYI tonight we had snow and very slippery conditions. This car is quite impressive with Winter tires and the TC does a very good job. I'm not sure I would risk it on the stock performance tires.


Mike

thebigjimsho
12-03-08, 09:27 PM
Look up "Rotational Inertia" in a high school or college physics book and you will understand why it is the wrong thing to do.Look, I don't need your little class today, I know exactly what rotational inertia is. But saying it's the "wrong" thing to do just is your own ego talking...

edsuski
12-03-08, 10:34 PM
Look, I don't need your little class today, I know exactly what rotational inertia is. But saying it's the "wrong" thing to do just is your own ego talking...

Short-Throw is correct - there are lots of reasons that a manufacturer or even an owner may want run-flat tires but increasing the overall performance of a vehicle (I'm speaking of acceleration, cornering and stopping) would not be one of them.

As for ego - it would appear that I have bruised someone's ego - sorry for that. However, mathematics does not really involve ego. Do the math and I think you will understand. If not - it is a free country - buy whatever tires you want.

atdeneve
12-04-08, 08:59 AM
I think the stock Goodyear Eagle F1 Supercar EMTs on the V1 are great performance tires. Tread life sucks, yes, but great performance, nonetheless. They have superb grip and turn-in is, not now, but right now. And that is wholly due to the stiff sidewalls of the EMT. No non-runflat tire will have as crisp a turn-in. To say that it has no place on a performance vehicle is utter rubbish. And a simple fall back on the absolute authority of mathematics is utter rubbish, as well. It's not that cut and dry.

Yeah, we're all well aware the effects of adding unsprung weight and adding it to the outer regions of a rotating mass, in particular. But everything is give and take. Is the additional weight so much that it would negate the additional turn-in confidence that one gains?

On a road course, one could care less about 0-60 times. The only acceleration you'll most likely be seeing is all happening above those speeds and the effects of the additional rotational inertia will be negligible. The greatest effect that rotational inertia will have is at rest/lower speeds. At higher speeds, the vehicle will not produce enough acceleration to the point where rotational inertia even comes into play.

The only things that I'd care about are the impact on braking and cornering. Braking systems can produce enough deceleration at speed that rotational inertia will come into play. But how much - a couple feet, a foot, less than a foot? I don't know. Likewise, with cornering, how much of an effect? Again, hard to say.

On the flip side, a tire with a stiff sidewall will impart the immediate turn-in/feedback that allows the driver to attain the optimal slip angle - the angle at which the tire generates the greatest grip - that much quicker. A tire with a less rigid sidewall, though lighter, will display more of a delay and, consequently, be more 'floaty' in quick transitions. In a sequence of back to back high speed transitions (high speed esses), this will only be more amplified - turn, delay, set, turn, delay, set, repeat, as opposed to turn, set, turn, set. Those delays are compounded. Not exactly performance enhancing either, huh?

If weight-adding stiff sidewalls were such a boon to performance tires, why do all performance tires increase/reinforce sidewall stiffness compared to their pedestrian counterparts? Again, to relegate all runflats as having no place on performance vehicles, simply due to the added weight of the stiffer reinforced sidewalls, is utter rubbish. It's all give and take. Not cut and dry. By your reasoning, you should go home and cut out the stiff side walls of your performance tire and replace em with lighter rubber flaps. :bigroll:

Jon
12-04-08, 02:52 PM
Look at the sidewall on my R888s. And this is at low speeds.

http://www.jon04ctsv.com/images/KLIN0245_Med.jpg

Short-Throw
12-04-08, 04:41 PM
Love the Color, great choice.

Do you have any pics with the Engine cover Off???

That intake tube looks restrictive with those silencers branching off.

thanks in advance

shadybx7,

I didn't forget about you! I pulled the covers today.

Here you go:

There are 3 pieces that pop off. The large cover that encircles the supercharger, a small cover that completes the look of the intake housing and a large cover on the passenger side that cleverly has a slot in it to match the driver side despite being a longer piece. They are all easy to take off and more importantly, go back on with ease as well.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3176/3064055840_bf637ab2c0_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3195/3083281286_cfd6fc930f_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3179/3083281338_1a843959c4_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3176/3083281320_32507a20c4_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3115/3082444233_591a8f14fd_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3056/3082444281_97bf3a9edd_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3257/3083281248_eefced24de_o.jpg



The car has nearly 500 miles on it and is drawing more and more attention each day.


Mike

Nutz
12-04-08, 04:48 PM
Luke............. I am your father.

thebigjimsho
12-04-08, 07:58 PM
That engine is a beast!

Short-Throw
12-04-08, 10:02 PM
That engine is a beast!

It sure is! :D

I have a few recent passengers who can verify that as well..............as soon as their target heart rate drops back to normal! ;)

I personally like the look with all the covers off! It has 556 HP for crying out loud, I want to see wires, hoses.....you know the real guts of the beast.


Mike

shadybx7
12-05-08, 12:36 AM
That strut tower brace looks like a hand made piece:bighead:

The supercharger looks like a Mach 1 shaker hood scoop and its just oh so factory clean. A new intake tube would probably add a lot of supercharger whine..


shadybx7,

I didn't forget about you! I pulled the covers today.

Here you go:

There are 3 pieces that pop off. The large cover that encircles the supercharger, a small cover that completes the look of the intake housing and a large cover on the passenger side that cleverly has a slot in it to match the driver side despite being a longer piece. They are all easy to take off and more importantly, go back on with ease as well.



Mike

OldDrummer55
12-05-08, 12:45 AM
Thanks so much for your inputs Mike! Now I'm feeling guilty about the pounding Da Bears took from my Vikes...

TURBO BUICK
12-05-08, 02:19 AM
Mike, I am a newbie to this forum and joined after driving the same car that John Heinricy drove when he set the record over at the "Ring". All that I can say is WOW. That CTS-V is one awesome car. I do plan on getting one as soon as possible but do to the Stock Market and the economy my CTS-V for this year went out the door. My wife says that I could still get it but she follows it up by "What are you willing to get rid of"? LOL
Now getting on to your car, it is one fabulous car. This is my wifes favorite color. It is now 2:00AM here in NE PA and when she wakes up in the AM I will show her this thread and of course your car. Maybe this will sort of coerce her? I just won't show her my post here.
Now as far as you posting the pictures of your car, all that I can say is that they are awesome. They are BETTER PICTURES than what are in the 09 Cadillac CTS brochure. As a matter of fact your pictures would be better in that brochure than Cadillac's. Your description of that car is phenomenal. Thanks a lot for posting the pics and I wish you the very best of luck with that car. It is one car that I know you are going to be very proud of and rightfully so.
Rich

Murano20155
12-05-08, 07:52 AM
Clearly, I am in the wrong line of work. An '09 CTS-V on top of an '08 Escalade? My hat is off to you, good sir.

The Caddy I have is just a rebadged Opel. :crying2: My only hope is to find an '09 CTS-V used a few years from now. That is if anyone is stupid enough to let one go. :D

LUVMY04V
12-05-08, 08:02 AM
shadybx7,

I didn't forget about you! I pulled the covers today.

Here you go:

There are 3 pieces that pop off. The large cover that encircles the supercharger, a small cover that completes the look of the intake housing and a large cover on the passenger side that cleverly has a slot in it to match the driver side despite being a longer piece. They are all easy to take off and more importantly, go back on with ease as well.



http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3195/3083281286_cfd6fc930f_o.jpg



http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3176/3083281320_32507a20c4_o.jpg



http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3056/3082444281_97bf3a9edd_o.jpg





The car has nearly 500 miles on it and is drawing more and more attention each day.


Mike
You should paint the stb Black and put another big V on it :D

Kadonny
12-05-08, 08:31 AM
Cool pics on the engine. STB is a little beefy...huh.

One more question if you don't mind. In looking at the website it does mention remote start, but doesn't say if it is or not included. So does the automatic (or manual for that fact) have remote start?

Here is how Cadillac.com lists it:

"EZ Key passive entry system without remote start (Included and only available with (MN6) 6-speed manual transmission.)"


Thanks.

CIWS
12-05-08, 08:32 AM
I've heard that the newer sealants do not ruin the actual tire like years ago. Can anybody confirm this?

Our big issue in the 1st Gen Vs was the use of sealant usually screwed the TPS sensor. Those were anywhere from 30-60.00 (depending on source) to replace. Not sure what they're using in the V2, might be the same part. I bought extras just in case. Auto club membership like AAA, Cadillac Roadside service, air compressor, plug kit, all of that combined should cover most issues.

Personally I'm glad the car came without EMT tires. On both my Vs I've gotten rid of them as soon as practical and replaced with standard tires. Has anyone even looked to see if there is a full set of EMT tires available for the OEM size on the V2 (Tire Rack came up a zero) ? I know for the STS-V there is only one made and it's the Pirelli's, so you have to accept those tires as EMT and they way the "perform" or run non EMT / non OEM size.

Short-Throw
12-05-08, 09:21 AM
That strut tower brace looks like a hand made piece:bighead:


For some reason the pics make it look a little sloppy. It's actually pretty solid and the extruded AL welded joints are a nice touch.


Mike

StormCaddy
12-05-08, 09:47 AM
Cool pics on the engine. STB is a little beefy...huh.

One more question if you don't mind. In looking at the website it does mention remote start, but doesn't say if it is or not included. So does the automatic (or manual for that fact) have remote start?

Here is how Cadillac.com lists it:

"EZ Key passive entry system without remote start (Included and only available with (MN6) 6-speed manual transmission.)"


Thanks.
Autos can have it; manuals can't. A manufacturer won't put remote start in a car that could be in gear when it starts. Some third parties will install in manual cars, but it's potentially very dangerous. I have it on my '08 CTS (and Suburban) and it's great!

Short-Throw
12-05-08, 10:45 AM
Luke............. I am your father.

:lol:

Short-Throw
12-05-08, 10:55 AM
My wife says that I could still get it but she follows it up by "What are you willing to get rid of"? LOL


You didn't mention 'her' did you? :D



Now getting on to your car, it is one fabulous car. This is my wifes favorite color. It is now 2:00AM here in NE PA and when she wakes up in the AM I will show her this thread and of course your car. Maybe this will sort of coerce her?

Well, any luck?


Now as far as you posting the pictures of your car, all that I can say is that they are awesome. They are BETTER PICTURES than what are in the 09 Cadillac CTS brochure. As a matter of fact your pictures would be better in that brochure than Cadillac's. Your description of that car is phenomenal. Thanks a lot for posting the pics and I wish you the very best of luck with that car. It is one car that I know you are going to be very proud of and rightfully so.
Rich

Rich,

Thanks for taking the time to read everything and post your kind words.
I hope one finds it's way to your driveway as well when the timing is right.


BTW....Did you, or do you own a Grand National (or T-Type) like your name suggests? I had a GNX years ago....it would still be considered fast by today's standards, but i couldn't stop or turn. :hammer:


Mike

Short-Throw
12-05-08, 11:52 AM
One more question if you don't mind. In looking at the website it does mention remote start, but doesn't say if it is or not included. So does the automatic (or manual for that fact) have remote start?

Thanks.

The Automatic does have the keyless entry as well as the remote start. You can also disable the engine from the remote as well. It's a great feature even if it's not winter. I see so many people get in their car and hammer the go-pedal right away before the oil temp rises and then complain months later that their engine blew while driving gently. With the remote start, you can prep your car for battle right out of the driveway!


Mike

chris1268
12-05-08, 11:56 AM
Mike,

First of all - I am still waiting. It's like being a little kid shaking your Christmas present, knowing what it is, but not being able to play with it. Now they say Monday but guess what........SNOW Monday and Tuesday. Anyway, how are those tires holding up now that we have some good salt down on the roads?:alchi:

Hope your still having fun with her!:thumbsup:

Kadonny
12-05-08, 03:47 PM
The Automatic does have the keyless entry as well as the remote start. You can also disable the engine from the remote as well. It's a great feature even if it's not winter. I see so many people get in their car and hammer the go-pedal right away before the oil temp rises and then complain months later that their engine blew while driving gently. With the remote start, you can prep your car for battle right out of the driveway!


Mike


Wonderful! I know you can't have the remote start on the manual, but it was not clear if it was standard on the automatic.

Thanks again!

Short-Throw
12-05-08, 06:22 PM
Mike,
SNOW Monday and Tuesday. Anyway, how are those tires holding up now that we have some good salt down on the roads?:alchi:

Hope your still having fun with her!:thumbsup:

Snow Monday and Tuesday?...............You can count on your car coming in the greater the storm is!



The winter tires have been worth their weight in gold. I am able to drive the car with normal throttle modulation. The car is very sure-footed.

Now I only have to worry about the other morons out there who think 4-wheel drive SUVs also think it means 4-wheel stop......finding out it's not true as they pry their fenders from the trees and poles.


MIke

chris1268
12-05-08, 07:33 PM
[QUOTE=Short-Throw;1702131]

Now I only have to worry about the other morons out there who think 4-wheel drive SUVs also think it means 4-wheel stop......finding out it's not true as they pry their fenders from the trees and poles.


So true.....So true

Short-Throw
12-05-08, 09:51 PM
You should paint the stb Black and put another big V on it :D

I'd like to anodize it but it may not be so easy to send out!

TURBO BUICK
12-05-08, 10:08 PM
You didn't mention 'her' did you? :D




Well, any luck?



Rich,

Thanks for taking the time to read everything and post your kind words.
I hope one finds it's way to your driveway as well when the timing is right.


BTW....Did you, or do you own a Grand National (or T-Type) like your name suggests? I had a GNX years ago....it would still be considered fast by today's standards, but i couldn't stop or turn. :hammer:


Mike

Mike, Yes I do have a few Turbo Regals.
1. 1987 GNX with 576 original miles. Car is #171
2. 1987 Buick GN with 19,000 original miles
3. 1987 Buick Turbo T Limited with 53,000 original miles
& Loaded with just about everything including the Grey
Leather
4. 2006 Silver Jeep GC SRT8 with 9,000 miles (mine)
5. 2007 Modded TB SS with 12,000 miles (HERS) 12.322
in the 1/4 at Atco in NJ
6. 1971 GMC pickup with 49,000 original miles. Never even
had one speck of snow on it. I am the original owner
the truck has been garaged all of it's life. All Black, 355
Cu In with a B&M 162 Blower. It may soon have a
502/502 brand new crate motor that I have.
7. 1987 Buick T. I just bought a new LS376/480 to put in
that. I have a 4L65E Trans that I recently picked up for
the conversion which hopefully I will do in the Spring.
8. And also a few other cars including an 86 Monte SS.

Now do you know why she said "What are you going to
get rid of"? If I told her that I would get rid of her I am
afraid that she will turn me from a Rooster into a Hen.
Besides I need her 401K or what is left of it the way the
Stock Market is going to support my "DISEASE". LOL
In all seriousness though she has been a good wife for
the past 47 years even though she has had numerous
operations including 3 serious back surgery's.
I always tell her that if she were a car that I would
have gotten rid of her under the LEMON Law.

Mike, keep us posted on how your CTS-V is running. I
know that I and the rest of the members on this forum
will NEVER get tired of you posting pics of your
BEAUTIFUL car. I for one am VERY HAPPY for ya buddy.
Again good luck with it.

Rich

TURBO BUICK
12-05-08, 10:15 PM
Mike, Yes I did show her the pics of your car. She also LOVES it and the color. We WILL get one. That is a given. As much as I love my GNX or the GC SRT8 it wouldn't take too much for me to part with them to get my CTS-V.

Rich

Short-Throw
12-05-08, 11:21 PM
Mike, Yes I do have a few Turbo Regals.

Rich

Rich,

Yes you do! :cool2:

Between the GNX and the GC SRT8, I wish I still had my GNX.

I Hope your wife has met her quota for surgery.

I'll throw up some more pics again I'm sure but right now keeping the car clean here requires a full time valet. :helpless:


Mike

TURBO BUICK
12-06-08, 12:45 AM
Mike, how comfortable are those Recaro seats? They look super comfortable and I know that I will order them but do you think that a person like my wife would be able to get in and out of them pretty easy with her back problems? I know that is probably pretty hard for you to answer so I guess that I should have asked you how hard are they to get in and out of? When I was up at Monticello Motor Club and drove the one that John Heinricy set the record with over at the "Ring" it was equipped with the Sparco Racing seats. I even had a problem getting out of them but of course I wasn't used to them.
Yes I also would hate to get rid of the GNX because I would miss it, but that would only be as a last resort.
Mike, did you ever go to the Buick Nationals in Bowling Green?

Rich

Short-Throw
12-06-08, 10:14 AM
Mike, how comfortable are those Recaro seats? They look super comfortable and I know that I will order them but do you think that a person like my wife would be able to get in and out of them pretty easy with her back problems? I know that is probably pretty hard for you to answer so I guess that I should have asked you how hard are they to get in and out of? When I was up at Monticello Motor Club and drove the one that John Heinricy set the record with over at the "Ring" it was equipped with the Sparco Racing seats. I even had a problem getting out of them but of course I wasn't used to them.

Rich

Rich,

The Recaros really are fantastic. Unlike the Sparcos you sat in, the Recaros were designed to be in a street car. They are not in any way a seat I would ever use for dedicated racing.

1) They are easy to get out of because they do not have a 'deep well' that you have to climb out of (like a Sparco). Most race seats have a very high ledge that your butt and hips sink below.

2) The lateral supports and hip bolsters aren't fixed like a race seat. You can adjust them to hold you in tightly, or have them relaxed and outward, more like a conventional seat.

3) The Recaros are a two-piece seat, (another reason why I wouldn't use them as a regular track seat) allowing you to adjust the angle your back sits in relation to the rest of your body.

4) The base seat may provide a little more suppleness in terms of overall road feel (more numb and less communicative), but the Recaros certainly allow you to adjust the seat (like a wax mold in your mouth), perfectly form fitting which gives you the ultimate comfort.



Mike

Nutz
12-06-08, 03:44 PM
Mike, Yes I do have a few Turbo Regals.
1. 1987 GNX with 576 original miles. Car is #171
2. 1987 Buick GN with 19,000 original miles
3. 1987 Buick Turbo T Limited with 53,000 original miles
& Loaded with just about everything including the Grey
Leather
4. 2006 Silver Jeep GC SRT8 with 9,000 miles (mine)
5. 2007 Modded TB SS with 12,000 miles (HERS) 12.322
in the 1/4 at Atco in NJ
6. 1971 GMC pickup with 49,000 original miles. Never even
had one speck of snow on it. I am the original owner
the truck has been garaged all of it's life. All Black, 355
Cu In with a B&M 162 Blower. It may soon have a
502/502 brand new crate motor that I have.
7. 1987 Buick T. I just bought a new LS376/480 to put in
that. I have a 4L65E Trans that I recently picked up for
the conversion which hopefully I will do in the Spring.
8. And also a few other cars including an 86 Monte SS.

Now do you know why she said "What are you going to
get rid of"? If I told her that I would get rid of her I am
afraid that she will turn me from a Rooster into a Hen.
Besides I need her 401K or what is left of it the way the
Stock Market is going to support my "DISEASE". LOL
In all seriousness though she has been a good wife for
the past 47 years even though she has had numerous
operations including 3 serious back surgery's.
I always tell her that if she were a car that I would
have gotten rid of her under the LEMON Law.

Mike, keep us posted on how your CTS-V is running. I
know that I and the rest of the members on this forum
will NEVER get tired of you posting pics of your
BEAUTIFUL car. I for one am VERY HAPPY for ya buddy.
Again good luck with it.

Rich
.
.

Another Buick Aficionado. Welcome! ;)
.
.

TURBO BUICK
12-06-08, 04:08 PM
Mike, thanks for the feedback on the Recaro's. That's what
I was hoping to hear and I now know that the wife would be happy with them.
Much appreciated.
Rich

OldDrummer55
12-06-08, 04:48 PM
You didn't mention 'her' did you? :D




Well, any luck?



Rich,

Thanks for taking the time to read everything and post your kind words.
I hope one finds it's way to your driveway as well when the timing is right.


BTW....Did you, or do you own a Grand National (or T-Type) like your name suggests? I had a GNX years ago....it would still be considered fast by today's standards, but i couldn't stop or turn. :hammer:


Mike

Within the last six months I sold my 87 GN (original owner) and my 72 Skylark Sun Coupe. Recently my five year old daughter said, "Daddy, I miss the black car." Why? "It was fast!" I told her hopefully we will have another fast black car... :thumbsup:

TURBO BUICK
12-06-08, 05:18 PM
.
.

Another Buick Aficionado. Welcome! ;)
.
.

Nutz, Yes I am. IMHO it was the best car built in the 80's.
Even faster than the Calloway Twin Turbo Vette. I have a fortune tied up in discontinued parts and fortunately I have a wife that I met about 50 years ago that is VERY understanding. Drag raced her on the street and married her.LOL She always tells me that I am also NUTS with these cars. LOL
Thanks for the welcome. Hopefully I can learn and also contribute like everyone else does here.

Rich

TURBO BUICK
12-06-08, 05:35 PM
Within the last six months I sold my 87 GN (original owner) and my 72 Skylark Sun Coupe. Recently my five year old daughter said, "Daddy, I miss the black car." Why? "It was fast!" I told her hopefully we will have another fast black car... :thumbsup:

I see that there are a lot of Buick GN lovers here. I feel right at home. Home would feel better if it had an 09 CTS-V in the garage. LOL There will be. Very tempted on getting rid of my "X" for one.

Rich

Short-Throw
12-06-08, 11:29 PM
I used the heated seats tonight after coming out of the movies (Transporter 3. the first two were much better) and they worked great. Unlike heated seats I've had in my previous vehicles, the Recaros provide instant warmth as they are basically wrapped around your body. It's almost like a form fitted heating pad that you can adjust the temperatures on. Of course the bolsters themselves don't heat up, but by being held snug in the seat, the back cushion and seat pad transfer the warmth nicely.


Mike

TURBO BUICK
12-07-08, 12:58 AM
I used the heated seats tonight after coming out of the movies (Transporter 3. the first two were much better) and they worked great. Unlike heated seats I've had in my previous vehicles, the Recaros provide instant warmth as they are basically wrapped around your body. It's almost like a form fitted heating pad that you can adjust the temperatures on. Of course the bolsters themselves don't heat up, but by being held snug in the seat, the back cushion and seat pad transfer the warmth nicely.


Mike

Mike that is a must have. We have them in my GC SRT8 and my wifes 07 TB SS. I wouldn't even dare come home with a vehicle that didn't have them. She uses them all the time when it is cold out. We even have them in our 98 Jeep 5.9 that is our daily driver. Yours should be even better because I believe that they cool in the summer??

Rich

ZL-1
12-07-08, 01:19 AM
It was clear and sunny last Thursday and Mike called to tell me it was time to take the V for a cruise. It was payback time (back in 2005 I had one of the first C6 Z06s and I let Mike take it for a ride). I was very impressed.
Having owned mostly 2-seat cars, I liked the fact that the cockpit isn't overly large and everything is in easy reach. I'm 6'2" and there is plenty of headroom with the big moonroof. Although the (optional) suede steering wheel is very grippy, the suede inserts in the seats are a smoother finish, not overly grippy like some suede seats. Besides the perfect fit, the Recaros are easy to get in and out of (a great compromise; Mike's Z06 had beautiful Caravaggio seats but they were a chore to get in and out of).
Mike made me drive :D, he got to try out the right front seat :yup: In the few miles to the interstate the great torque was immediately obvious, also the fact that the car is never in a "wrong" gear or out of its torque band as with some automatic cars. You'll never get caught flat-footed, torque is always there. Driving around town the exhaust sounds good in a subdued way. As you step into it a little there is a slight high-pitched supercharger whine in the 2500-3000 rpm range (but it's pleasant, not a growl like some of the SC 3800 V6's).
The Pirelli Sottozero's were on the car when I drove it. Amazing grip for winter tires on a high powered rear-drive car. On the return run down I94 after lunch I left it in D and hammered it down a tight entrance ramp. Expected to be busy with the steering wheel, how could those tires handle 556 HP? Amazingly, no drama, just minor corrections to keep it straight. The stability control is totally onobtrusive. But Mike did say that in cold weather the Michelins will keep you on your toes.
The car is very quiet cruising on the interstate, very little wind noise, just a faint hum from the exhaust. You could forget you're in a fast car (unless you hammer it at 50 and see how fast triple digits come up).
The first time I stepped into it was from around 30 to 45. For a few miles after that, driving on side streets, the engine had a very pronounced surge with foot off the accelerator. After going on the interstate it never occurred again, and it's never happened for Mike. Maybe this is the "programming issue" that was causing the V's to be on hold. Who knows? Somehow Mike's car escaped while others remained "on hold".
To make a short story long, it's an amazing car that does everything well and is quiet and comfortable too. Thanks for the ride Mike (and thanks for lunch too).

Short-Throw
12-07-08, 08:47 AM
To make a short story long, it's an amazing car that does everything well and is quiet and comfortable too. Thanks for the ride Mike (and thanks for lunch too).


ZL-1,

Very articulate!

I'm glad you had a chance to experience the car being that it is so new. I did notice that you had plenty of hear room in the car without even lowering the seat from where I keep it. We'll have to get you back in it when the roads are warm!


Mike

Nutz
12-07-08, 09:01 AM
Speaking of "foot off the accelerator", my 05 V has alot of inertia when coming down to a stop (doesn't seem to slow down very good in gear without the brakes). I was wondering if the LSA has the same effect or does it rev down better?

Also, I have heard MANY discussions all over the 09 V thread about the Recaro's here, and I Am YET TO HEAR one person THAT HAS SAT IN THEM say that the $3,400.00 upgrade is a waste. Yes, alot of money, but Recaro seems to deliver on quality, exactly what Cadillac is all about.

The part about how fast the seats heat up has just sealed the deal for me. The base model CTS seats take considerably long to heat up for those that have not used them. I personally would use them in warm weather when traveling.

Lastly, member Turbo Buick can probably agree that after driving a GN everything seems well, not so fast. After a drive in a C6 ZO6 I was finally changed on that effect. Therefore I look forward to a drive in a new V to have that hard accelleration without the drama.

This new video to youtube supports that...

ORybS-iq978

btomasie
12-07-08, 11:55 AM
Hey Mike,

I have been enjoying this thread all week or so, and am been extremely curious to know how the car is with the winter tires, in less-than-perfect Cook County plowed roads. I was so surprised to see last week, that the first person in the whole country to have their '09, lives minutes away from me! I live in Arlington Heights, so we are close by, and yesterday morning was a perfect example of the side roads not being all that great. Did you by chance have the car out yesterday morning, and if so, how was it?

Do you find yourself leaving the car in full-auto mode in these conditions, or are you taking off in first and second in tap-shift mode when leaving from a stop?

Thanks... these next 5 months is what I'll be the most curious about, if this beast can be an all-year-road daily driver in the midwest.

Take care,
Brian

Short-Throw
12-07-08, 06:15 PM
Yours should be even better because I believe that they cool in the summer??

Rich

Rich,

Yes, they have the cooling feature as well. Should be nice for open window cruising on warm days.


Mike

Short-Throw
12-07-08, 06:31 PM
Hey Mike,

I have been enjoying this thread all week or so, and am been extremely curious to know how the car is with the winter tires, in less-than-perfect Cook County plowed roads. I was so surprised to see last week, that the first person in the whole country to have their '09, lives minutes away from me! I live in Arlington Heights, so we are close by, and yesterday morning was a perfect example of the side roads not being all that great. Did you by chance have the car out yesterday morning, and if so, how was it?

Do you find yourself leaving the car in full-auto mode in these conditions, or are you taking off in first and second in tap-shift mode when leaving from a stop?

Thanks... these next 5 months is what I'll be the most curious about, if this beast can be an all-year-road daily driver in the midwest.

Take care,
Brian

Hi Brian,

I've mentioned a few times how much I love the tires I have on the car now and this weekend was a great test.

For the record, there were many winter tires GM tested for this car and the Pirelli's performed the best.

Anyone who has driven on performance tires in inclement weather know how impossible it is. The tires have not let me down. I was out Saturday driving no problem. With the increased grip and the T/C system the car does not have to be garaged.

Are you considering one, or just curious? If it's a factor that would push you towards buying one, I'd be happy to show you first hand.


Mike

ZL-1
12-08-08, 12:00 AM
Hey Mike,

I have been enjoying this thread all week or so, and am been extremely curious to know how the car is with the winter tires, in less-than-perfect Cook County plowed roads. I was so surprised to see last week, that the first person in the whole country to have their '09, lives minutes away from me! I live in Arlington Heights, so we are close by, and yesterday morning was a perfect example of the side roads not being all that great. Did you by chance have the car out yesterday morning, and if so, how was it?

Do you find yourself leaving the car in full-auto mode in these conditions, or are you taking off in first and second in tap-shift mode when leaving from a stop?

Thanks... these next 5 months is what I'll be the most curious about, if this beast can be an all-year-road daily driver in the midwest.

Take care,
Brian

556 horsepower, rear wheel drive, and low gearing make this car very fast; you'd expect traction on snow and ice to be a big problem. But Mike showed me that in tapshift mode you can start in 2nd or even 3rd gear. This, combined with the LSD, traction control, and good winter tires, should help greatly on the slick stuff. :thumbsup:

Short-Throw
12-08-08, 12:18 PM
556 horsepower, rear wheel drive, and low gearing make this car very fast; you'd expect traction on snow and ice to be a big problem. But Mike showed me that in tapshift mode you can start in 2nd or even 3rd gear. This, combined with the LSD, traction control, and good winter tires, should help greatly on the slick stuff. :thumbsup:

The Supercharger absolutely loves the cool weather. Too bad the highways aren't radiant heated concrete like many garages have.

I was out at the track Sunday (yes, we are closed for the season) and ran the car a little bit on the property to test a few quick higher speed pulls. This car simply squats and launches from speeds of 70MPH.

Driving this car will require amazing restraint.



Mike

JBsZ06
12-08-08, 08:34 PM
The Supercharger absolutely loves the cool weather. Too bad the highways aren't radiant heated concrete like many garages have.

I was out at the track Sunday (yes, we are closed for the season) and ran the car a little bit on the property to test a few quick higher speed pulls. This car simply squats and launches from speeds of 70MPH.

Driving this car will require amazing restraint.



Mike

Mike,

Thanks for the heads up. The car sounds awesome!

JB

Razorecko
12-09-08, 09:31 AM
^ Hey short-throw. Does the bulge on the hood covering the supercharger have any cooling characteristics toward the windshield like a cowl hood ? - If not i'm sure this vehicle would greatly benefit from some type of hood cooling.

Short-Throw
12-09-08, 11:43 AM
^ Hey short-throw. Does the bulge on the hood covering the supercharger have any cooling characteristics toward the windshield like a cowl hood ? - If not i'm sure this vehicle would greatly benefit from some type of hood cooling.

The bulge on the hood is really for the SC clearance. Hoods can have a cooling effect if the back edge (by the windshield) is left open. There really isn't too much of this on the V.



Mike

atdeneve
12-09-08, 01:55 PM
It doesn't exactly work like that, as those that have looked into custom hoods for the V1 know.

Short-Throw
12-09-08, 04:07 PM
It doesn't exactly work like that, as those that have looked into custom hoods for the V1 know.

atdeneve,

I'm curious to what you are specifically referring to.

Could you please clarify?

It doesn't 'exactly work' as how?

atdeneve
12-09-08, 04:48 PM
A lot of people think that, if the back edge of the cowl is left open, hot air from the engine bay can escape, thereby exerting a cooling effect. However, that area by the bottom of the windshield is a high pressure zone (air stacks up in that area) and air is forced into the engine bay. Perhaps there is some cooling effect to be had, being that air forced into the engine bay has to be displacing some of that latent hot air.

However, it also creates lift on the front end (you're forcefully shoving air into the engine bay, without giving an exit route), which is probably the greater of two evils (at least at high speeds, which is the only time either of those effects'll occur).

What you want is an exit path closer to the front of the nose. Air travels fast over that area and creates a vacuum (low pressure zone), thereby sucking air out of the engine bay and also aiding in downforce, as the air travels through the front grille and goes through the radiator and up out over the engine/hood. This was also touched on in one of the threads exploring custom hood options in the V1 forum.

Short-Throw
12-09-08, 10:06 PM
Atdeneve,


Thank you for the reply!

Would you have a link to the V1 hood discussions? There are many fallacies about air flow. Was any wind tunnel testing data listed? I'm not suggesting it happens here, but I've found many after market manufacturers offer products that actually hurt performance but claim crazy results.

You are correct regarding the high pressure zone, and because of it you do not need a large opening to allow air in. The ZR-1 is an example of this. Furthermore you do not want this air to enter the HVAC.


I've been fortunate to have had Pratt and Miller help me on my Aero settings for my fascia, hood and wing through tunnel testing (on my C6-R shown in avatar). I was astonished to learn how different panels react to wind deflection. Sometimes a little clinginess of air to a section on the car that creates drag can be useful.


The CTS-V does 198 (M6) so something must be working!

Of course most of this is completely irrelevant for daily driving!

PM sent!



Mike

GMX322V S/C
12-09-08, 11:19 PM
Oh, I misunderstood--I thought Razorecko might've been referring to using the high-pressure area at the base of the cowl to somehow decrease intake temperature--a la "Cowl Induction" some circa 1970 Chevelles had.

Razorecko
12-09-08, 11:50 PM
^ oh no, I just wanted to know if the rear of the cowl was lifted about the base of the windshield as to create suction while driving that would draw out engine heat.

Short-Throw
12-10-08, 12:15 AM
Oh, I misunderstood--I thought Razorecko might've been referring to using the high-pressure area at the base of the cowl to somehow decrease intake temperature--a la "Cowl Induction" some circa 1970 Chevelles had.


^ oh no, I just wanted to know if the rear of the cowl was lifted about the base of the windshield as to create suction while driving that would draw out engine heat.

I guess we got off on a tangent. I'm all in favor of returning back to our regularly scheduled program! :thumbsup:

Razorecko, I will try to snap a few pics tomorrow to illustrate/answer your question.


Mike