: Handgun Purchase Input needed



elvisonsteroids
11-01-08, 04:38 PM
I have waded thru the huge gun thread, nice stuff in there but alot of vocal discourse too. What I am needing is some direct input to help me refine my search for a new pistol.
I am preferring something 1911 style, .45 caliber, and was wondering if anyone had thoughts on any of the major sellers para, Spring field armory, kimber etc. etc. or even some I havent mentioned. Throw them all out there as I wanna see them all. I am looking to spend $600- $1200 and havent ruled out the xd- 40 or even a sig .45.
Thanks in advance!
Bob

93DevilleUSMC
11-01-08, 04:44 PM
Kimber and Para are both well-known for to quality. You might also try an Ed Brown Special Forces model.

dkozloski
11-01-08, 05:04 PM
You might think about a genuine 1911 Colt rather than a poseur.

Submariner409
11-01-08, 05:13 PM
If you're going to acquire a pistol that looks like a pistol instead of something out of Terminator, dkoz is correct: either a real Colt M1911 or one of the very close knockoffs. Semi-auto is for throwing lead around in a hurry, mow 'em down style. :rolleyes: A single action 5 1/2" barrel .45 Colt revolver is a much nicer looking well-balanced piece of history.

Spyder
11-01-08, 05:18 PM
For $1200, you're not going to find many top-level 1911's. They're ungodly expensive. I'd stick with a mid level one and build it how you want it. Is it your first pistol? Do you have other calibers, etc? If not, I'd HIGHLY suggest getting something in 9mm, just so you can afford to practice with it enough to be proficient. I know, not what you're looking for, but still a thought to ponder. I hate to say it, but stay away from the Sig GSR1911 unless you get a really good deal. Don't know if its hype or not, but I've heard a lot of trouble with them. I've also heard more bad than good about Kimber.

1911's aren't really my thing. I've been wanting to buy one, but haven't gotten around to it and probably won't for a while. The Sig P220 comes EXTREMELY highly recommended though, as a full size .45 badass pistol that will go bang every time no matter what and hit where you aim it. Rolex will tell you to buy a Glock. Ewwww! =]

Submariner409
11-01-08, 05:28 PM
Good words.......a 9mm allows you to buy literally barrels (hogsheads ?) of el cheapo reloaded ammo for plinking and practice.

If you want a revolver with BALLS, get a .454 Casull. Looks like a Colt .45 but will darn near shoot a hole through a Sherman tank. Not for the faint-of-heart.

dkozloski
11-01-08, 05:51 PM
The original .45 Colt single action Army revolver has two things going for it. It looks neat and is a natural pointer. Other than that it's a notorious POS. Most of the old timers wound up with a broken half-cock notch, broken leaf springs, or both. Even at that you could always get it to shoot somehow. The only way to carry it safely is to only load five chambers and leave the hammer down on the empty one.

Submariner409
11-01-08, 05:56 PM
True, but the second and third generation issues solved the spring and carry problems, and the Ruger and Taurus knockoffs are coil spring, transfer bar safety equipped.

dkozloski
11-01-08, 06:03 PM
Early Ruger knockoffs had the same carry problem. A local lawyer won a million dollar award against Ruger. On appeal, one of the judges said, "Any fool knows you have to carry those things with the hammer on an empty chamber.", and they threw the judgement out.

Ranger
11-01-08, 06:33 PM
The 1911 .45 is and always has been my favorite. Mine is a Colt Gold Cup.

The 454 Casull should be a crew served weapon. Definitely heavy artillery.

urbanski
11-01-08, 06:40 PM
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Spyder
11-01-08, 07:24 PM
Eh, 454 Casull is small stuff nowadays. The .460 and the big 500 S&W are the new kings! the .480 is a step below the .460 in power, but still impressive from what I've heard. =] .454 is best for variety though 'cause you can still shoot your regular .45's out of it too to save money at the range.

Spyder
11-01-08, 07:27 PM
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A stupid thing to do. That's how people get hurt. The Desert Eagle is NOT a difficult handgun to handle, if you have any experience at all and have a decent grip. Giving it to a rookie so you can laugh at them is only going to get them to hurt themselves and potentially others.

On the other hand, when big bad macho dudes do things like that to themselves, like the classic video of the fat guy with the revolver, THAT is funny! :D

MauiV
11-01-08, 07:42 PM
My wife has fired a Desert Eagle .50 and did OK with it so when I took her to Knob Creek yesterday she though my XD .40 was very managable with hardly any kick.

dkozloski
11-01-08, 07:47 PM
It's been a mind expanding expanding experience for a couple of people that have fired my .458 Win. Mag. I have a regular mental checklist that I go through to make sure it isn't going to bite me but I figure somebody who's firing it for the thrill ought to get the full benefit and they're on their own.

elvisonsteroids
11-01-08, 10:06 PM
Hmm I suppose I should clarify my needs and experience.
I am purchasing the gun to reenter some of the local combat style courses. No superstars just average joes and some law enforcement that get togethor to shoot faster better.
I have owned and shot 9mm autos from ruger and smith, a 357 ruger revolver, and handgun hunted deer with a super redhawk. I prefer handguns to pistols because I am a horrible rifle shot:o
Single action pistols are great but worthless in the venues I attend.
I dont need a $1000 gun to have fun. I was just looking for other names to get a nicer cross section of guns to look at.
I did alot of looking online today and am intrigued by the Taurus line of 1911's
Bang for the buck they are interesting but the base model Colts sound good and then can add the race parts from there.
Appreciate all the input, keep it coming!
Bob

Ranger
11-01-08, 10:43 PM
Are you talking about "practical Pistol" shooting? I did that for many years and the gun of choice there was the .38 super. Mainly from a competitive standpoint because the high pressures made the compensator so effective. They where all tricked out and modified and all had optical sights. Some to the tune of $3000. Personally, I did not care for them. My Gold Cup was no match for their speed, but I was more in it for the fun as opposed to some of those guys who HAD to be the fastest gun in the west. Several where absolutely amazing. If you didn't know better, you'd swear they where firing full rock and roll........... and hitting the target. Maybe I'll get back into that after I retire next year.

Rolex
11-01-08, 10:58 PM
Wilson Combat FTW. I'm not a big fan of the 1911 for self defense carry. :hide:

Eric Kahn
11-01-08, 10:58 PM
My suggestion would be for you to look at the taurus version of the 1911, I have a taurus revolver and had a PT99 in the past that I sold and wish I had not

Spyder
11-01-08, 11:24 PM
Rock Island Armory if you want a good budget builder! I've held one and it actually looks purty freaking decent. I've heard mostly good things about them too, from people that actually use their guns instead of admire them. =]

RIA's go for around five hundred bucks sometimes too. It'll be my next pistol purchase, most likely.

Florian
11-02-08, 01:14 AM
I have my uncles Govt. issue 1911A1 from 1945. Its a nice piece, heavy as hell but packs a sweet punch.


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elvisonsteroids
11-02-08, 09:15 AM
Are you talking about "practical Pistol" shooting? I did that for many years and the gun of choice there was the .38 super. Mainly from a competitive standpoint because the high pressures made the compensator so effective. They where all tricked out and modified and all had optical sights. Some to the tune of $3000. Personally, I did not care for them. My Gold Cup was no match for their speed, but I was more in it for the fun as opposed to some of those guys who HAD to be the fastest gun in the west. Several where absolutely amazing. If you didn't know better, you'd swear they where firing full rock and roll........... and hitting the target. Maybe I'll get back into that after I retire next year.

Yes these courses are similar to the practical pistol courses minus the egos. I shot these for a year and the most exotic thing I saw was a 10mm beretta, aside from some nicer .45 builds.
These are just local shoots that the clubs put on kinda like a bowling league.

elvisonsteroids
11-02-08, 09:18 AM
Rock Island Armory if you want a good budget builder! I've held one and it actually looks purty freaking decent. I've heard mostly good things about them too, from people that actually use their guns instead of admire them. =]

RIA's go for around five hundred bucks sometimes too. It'll be my next pistol purchase, most likely.

Now this is the kind of info I'm looking for. I had never heard of RIA and now have another source to look at. Thanks!

EcSTSatic
11-03-08, 10:59 AM
Hmm I suppose I should clarify my needs and experience.
I am purchasing the gun to reenter some of the local combat style courses. No superstars just average joes and some law enforcement that get togethor to shoot faster better.
I have owned and shot 9mm autos from ruger and smith, a 357 ruger revolver, and handgun hunted deer with a super redhawk. I prefer handguns to pistols because I am a horrible rifle shot:o
Single action pistols are great but worthless in the venues I attend.
I dont need a $1000 gun to have fun. I was just looking for other names to get a nicer cross section of guns to look at.
I did alot of looking online today and am intrigued by the Taurus line of 1911's
Bang for the buck they are interesting but the base model Colts sound good and then can add the race parts from there.
Appreciate all the input, keep it coming!
Bob

Are there rules in the competition that qualify the type of guns that can be used? That might narrow the choices some. Sights? Safety's? Need something with a lot of 3rd party mods available?

Florian
11-03-08, 01:17 PM
Wilson Combat FTW. I'm not a big fan of the 1911 for self defense carry. :hide:

the Wilson is a 1911 based pistol, no?


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Spyder
11-03-08, 03:40 PM
Yea, they make some semi-custom 1911 stuff. Usually hear very good things about them, but a little higher up the pay scale I believe.

Brett
11-03-08, 06:12 PM
Start Hijack: Im looking for this website I used to go to that was kind on like an ebay for firearms, thousands of them, searchable, a really good site, cant find it, anyne know what it is?: End hijack

Rolex
11-03-08, 09:59 PM
the Wilson is a 1911 based pistol, no?


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Yeah and they're a good shooter. I just wouldn't carry one for SD.

93DevilleUSMC
11-03-08, 11:17 PM
Brett, it was either gunbroker.com or gunsamerica.com.

Brett
11-04-08, 09:28 AM
gunbroker that is it....thanks

93DevilleUSMC
11-04-08, 08:55 PM
Yes these courses are similar to the practical pistol courses minus the egos. I shot these for a year and the most exotic thing I saw was a 10mm beretta, aside from some nicer .45 builds.
These are just local shoots that the clubs put on kinda like a bowling league.

What model of Beretta was it? 92F or Cougar series?

Patrick7997
11-06-08, 08:24 AM
For what you wanna do, a 1911 is not a bad choice....

Springfield Armory makes some really nice 1911 variants... excellent quality. I have one and have been very pleased.

Wilson Combat is also outstanding, if you can afford it.

I just picked up a Springfield Armory XD-M in 40 S&W. Very nice gun. I am very pleased with it. Super nice shooter. More pleasant than the old 38 Super, in my opinion... 16 rounds of 40, in a nice sized package... can't beat it.

elvisonsteroids
11-08-08, 12:26 PM
Ok, I had opportunity to fondle the RIA 1911. Decent gun, good price but pretty plain. I can get a nice Taurus with more options for 100 bucks more. I also had opportunity to handle the XD-M in 9mm. I know I have been leaning hard toward a Gov. Model but damn if that XD speak to me. 19+ 1 round capability, good feel, with extras for $700. Wish I had seen it last, I find it hard to shop more lol.

elvisonsteroids
11-08-08, 12:29 PM
What model of Beretta was it? 92F or Cougar series?

92F but it was a factory modded gun, had a nice compensator on the front. Not sure how much he had in it but was a neat gun, and I never cared for the looks of a Beretta much.

elvisonsteroids
11-08-08, 12:32 PM
This just in........
I am in negotiations for a Para Ordinance, Commander sized 1911. All black, 10+1 capable, I think I may be able to get it for $650. Books for $700. The gun is used but not abused.
Opinions on this versus the XDM?

93DevilleUSMC
11-08-08, 03:14 PM
92F but it was a factory modded gun, had a nice compensator on the front. Not sure how much he had in it but was a neat gun, and I never cared for the looks of a Beretta much.

Factory compensator, huh? I think Beretta actually makes a target/competition version of the 92FS with a compensator and a single-action trigger.

csosteve
11-08-08, 03:18 PM
check out glock 21 or 30 easy gun to use, same trigger pull all the time, doesn't require much maintence, lot of diffent styles of holsters and keeps it value

Rolex
11-08-08, 04:24 PM
Whatever you decide you'd better buy it up quickly. Firearms sales are increasing as much as 200%, and the cost of said firearms is close behind. The boost in sales has made many local news programs. BHO said he'd boost the economy....he didn't realize he'd do so by boosting gun sales because of all the people who are afraid of the forthcoming firearm bans.

Online retailers are price gouging the popular sale items. That's dirty pool IMO. Those retailers won't ever see a dime of Rolex's $$$. :thepan:

Spyder
11-08-08, 05:22 PM
Yeeup. My local guy seems to be keeping his prices normal for now. I hope he continues to do the same.

Brett
11-08-08, 06:17 PM
short term frenzy....currently there is no actual reason to rush out and buy a gun, perception is reality as usual.

Submariner409
11-08-08, 06:39 PM
In response to Rolex' post, same here in MD.....out local liberal TV station, WJZ 13 in Baltimore, is hashing out the increase in weapons sales and, as most liberal news outlets are wont to do, they're creating news in the name of news and information. It has nothing to do with news. It's selling a canned product. I hope they choke on it.

Brett
11-08-08, 06:50 PM
What are prices going up on?? AR's and AK's ?

93DevilleUSMC
11-08-08, 06:51 PM
In response to Rolex' post, same here in MD.....out local liberal TV station, WJZ 13 in Baltimore, is hashing out the increase in weapons sales and, as most liberal news outlets are wont to do, they're creating news in the name of news and information. It has nothing to do with news. It's selling a canned product. I hope they choke on it.

May they shoot themselves in the foot, no pun intended.

Rolex
11-09-08, 12:12 AM
What are prices going up on?? AR's and AK's ?

On everything. Only because the panic buyers are out in force. It's the law of supply and demand. If you refuse to pay inflated prices they'll go back to selling it for a fair price again. It will get worse.

Brett
11-09-08, 08:57 AM
I could ALMOST see making a purchase on an "assault weapon" if you wanted one, but paying a premium for anything else is just frenzy, panic, etc

93DevilleUSMC
11-09-08, 01:44 PM
I could ALMOST see making a purchase on an "assault weapon" if you wanted one, but paying a premium for anything else is just frenzy, panic, etc

Agreed. Thus far, Obama's campaign staff, to my knowledge, hasn't even discussed their upcoming Second Amendment policy. I'd advise at least waiting until they start proposing legislation restricting gun rights. In that event, i'd advise getting your hands on ARs', AKs, and old NATO Soviet-bloc rifles in general. All of the above tend to be targets for anti-gun legislation.

Spyder
11-09-08, 04:04 PM
You mean I have to buy MORE black rifles? Damniiiiiittttt!

Patrick7997
11-10-08, 08:48 AM
lol, Spyder...

It's definitely started here... The area shops that used to have plenty of AR/AK/M4 type stuff are now cleaned out, taking backorders....

I was offered cash for my spot in line for the next batch of M4's that come in at one place....

I got an email at home from the Illinois Director of the NRA... basically detailing his dealings with BHO... Not cheerful reading, but no big surprise, I guess... Some earlier post said wait and see on BHO... That won't be necessary. During his time in Illinois, he was perfectly clear on his complete disdain for private ownership and the Second Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of america....

I'll try to find it at home and post it.

EcSTSatic
11-10-08, 03:04 PM
I don't want to see this thread go down the political path and get locked, but if you need more information to help decide what to purchase when, you might check out nra.org.
The local sporting goods stores have ammo on sale. I'm picking up more 9mm and 12ga shells