: Interesting e-bay V "item"



urbanski
06-21-04, 10:18 AM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=47103&item=5503188808&rd=1

how's this not a direct rip-off of the FAQ? I'd feel sorry for the poor sap who spends his 20 bux.

*not my auction, just an FYI.

Brett
06-21-04, 10:32 AM
pretty funny....why not i guess....probably got the info right from this site......sounds like a pretty good liability issue for this guy when some idiot crashes his car watching fast and the furious

DgtalPimp
06-21-04, 10:44 AM
Anyone have a ebay selling account already? If so post the "fix" in the description and put the item up for sale for $ 0.01 That should keep this a$$ in check.Dgtal

T_Dogg8
06-21-04, 10:47 AM
it's free enterprise. if someone wants to pay for that stuff, then fine with me. maybe he found the crack on his own and in that case, i'd say he has the right to sell what he found.

miscreant
06-21-04, 11:29 AM
it's free enterprise. if someone wants to pay for that stuff, then fine with me. maybe he found the crack on his own and in that case, i'd say he has the right to sell what he found.
Indeed. If someone is lazy enough to pay for the info rather then try to find it themselves, they deserve to be out the money.

BUILDINGCTSAMG
06-21-04, 11:45 AM
I listed it myself for .30 (had to make up the charging fee)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7906952455

urbanski
06-21-04, 12:08 PM
Nice :D:D
Now somebody list the URL for the FAQ for 0.01 :D

"We will give you the URL for www.cadillacfaq.com for only $0.01... oops....."

hehe

DgtalPimp
06-21-04, 01:19 PM
Indeed. If someone is lazy enough to pay for the info rather then try to find it themselves, they deserve to be out the money.
Miscreant - I think the issue is not laziness but knowledge and ability to find it on the net.


Dgtal

DgtalPimp
06-21-04, 01:21 PM
I listed it myself for .30 (had to make up the charging fee)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7906952455
Can you change the posting to show the method of how to watch the DVD while car is in motion?

T_Dogg8
06-21-04, 01:39 PM
i don't understand why you guys are so into wanting to screw this guy. i think it's a good idea. i didn't post it, but wish i had. who cares if you can find it for free?? that's what a free-market system is. if no one wants to pay for the info, then no one will bid (which so far no one has).

miscreant
06-21-04, 01:47 PM
That's kind of bogus. Do you really think that that bottle of $20 shampoo is better than this bottle for $3? People sell information and "how-too's" all the time, and we shouldn't ding them for it. If somebody is willing to buy it, then so be it. But to ruin the guy's legitimate auction is disrespectful and childish. Bash me all you want, it's rediculous.:annoyed:

And if you can search ebay and find it, you can find it elsewhere on the net.


I expect the flames...:annoyed:

DgtalPimp
06-21-04, 01:51 PM
T-dogg - I am not trying to screw the guy selling. I am trying to help the guys looking. The thing about the free enterprise system is I can put up a lemonade aid stand and charge what ever I want; letís say $50 a glass. You can put up a stand next to mine (following all local laws of lemonade stands and proximity of each other) and charge 50 cents. Any customers that want to buy my lemonade aid will. Any that see the value in the service you are providing with patron your establishment.



Dgtal

DgtalPimp
06-21-04, 01:52 PM
That's kind of bogus. Do you really think that that bottle of $20 shampoo is better than this bottle for $3? People sell information and "how-too's" all the time, and we shouldn't ding them for it. If somebody is willing to buy it, then so be it. But to ruin the guy's legitimate auction is disrespectful and childish. Bash me all you want, it's rediculous.:annoyed:

And if you can search ebay and find it, you can find it elsewhere on the net.


I expect the flames...:annoyed:
Instead of flames you should expect backing. Some times people just need to remeber nothing is free.

Dgtal

urbanski
06-21-04, 01:53 PM
wow, i didn't want to create so much controversy.
i thought it was a rip-off. maybe an admin should just make this thread vanish.

DgtalPimp
06-21-04, 01:57 PM
Why make it vanish? The more people know about things like this the less likely they will get duped by some idiot trying to make a fast buck.

T_Dogg8
06-21-04, 01:58 PM
T-dogg - I am not trying to screw the guy selling. I am trying to help the guys looking. The thing about the free enterprise system is I can put up a lemonade aid stand and charge what ever I want; letís say $50 a glass. You can put up a stand next to mine (following all local laws of lemonade stands and proximity of each other) and charge 50 cents. Any customers that want to buy my lemonade aid will. Any that see the value in the service you are providing with patron your establishment.



Dgtal
i agree with what you're saying completely. i just think if he's able to sell it, great. it just started to sound like people were making a joke out of it and wanted to post to screw him. and i don't think that's right.

DgtalPimp
06-21-04, 02:01 PM
T-Dogg8

Wanna buy my $50 a glass lemonade aid? It's really good.

Dgtal

BUILDINGCTSAMG
06-21-04, 03:18 PM
I am trying to screw the guy....and get more feedback for the ebay item...its less about me screwing him then him screwing us, he takes our ideas and sells them, if this keeps happening this kinda forum could die because people would rather sell their ideas then give them out for free, also people would be less likely to become supporting members and help this site stay alive....he pisses me off and all im doing is sell a similar product, he doesnt have the right to it.

T_Dogg8
06-21-04, 03:21 PM
ok....again, i'll say it, i agree with you. however, i don't think if i'm selling lemonade for 50 cents, someone should come over and say 'for a penny i'll tell you how to make your own lemonade' he's trying (and i say trying since last time i checked he didn't have any buyers) to sell the instructions, and you're trying to give them away. if you can search ebay and find it, you can search the web and find it. search for cadillac forums on google and this is the first choice. search here for the answer and you have it. very simple. if someone would rather go on ebay and pay for it, then fine, i'm not going to go tell them where it is. if they come here i will.

miscreant
06-21-04, 03:21 PM
Instead of flames you should expect backing. Some times people just need to remeber nothing is free.

Dgtal
My attention was drawn to the notion of posting the fix itself and ruining the guys auction out of spite. If you want to compete by running another auction for less, that's competition, but doesn't totally screw him.

T_Dogg8
06-21-04, 03:23 PM
I am trying to screw the guy....and get more feedback for the ebay item...its less about me screwing him then him screwing us, he takes our ideas and sells them, if this keeps happening this kinda forum could die because people would rather sell their ideas then give them out for free, also people would be less likely to become supporting members and help this site stay alive....he pisses me off and all im doing is sell a similar product, he doesnt have the right to it.
he's not screwing you unless you buy it. don't buy it = not screwed. if he has no right to it, that means it's someone else's idea who posted it somewhere like here. therefore, him selling his idea is in no way putting this site in danger. if he did think it up on his own, then he does have a right to it and there can sell it.

miscreant
06-21-04, 03:23 PM
I am trying to screw the guy....and get more feedback for the ebay item...its less about me screwing him then him screwing us, he takes our ideas and sells them, if this keeps happening this kinda forum could die because people would rather sell their ideas then give them out for free, also people would be less likely to become supporting members and help this site stay alive....he pisses me off and all im doing is sell a similar product, he doesnt have the right to it.
Is he a forum member? Can we be sure he came here and found the fix here?

T_Dogg8
06-21-04, 03:31 PM
Is he a forum member? Can we be sure he came here and found the fix here?
no one knows whether he found it himself or maybe even bought it from someone who found it on their own. if that's the case, i have no problem with him selling it. if he put in the time to figure it out, then he deserves to get something back if he wants it. i'm EXTREMELY grateful for all the people on here who spend time finding fixes and shortcuts and then posting them here for free. it has helped me on a lot of issues, but at the same time, if they wanted paid for that info, i think they earned it.

DgtalPimp
06-21-04, 03:34 PM
My attention was drawn to the notion of posting the fix itself and ruining the guys auction out of spite. If you want to compete by running another auction for less, that's competition, but doesn't totally screw him.
I was in total agreement with your posting. I think you SHOULD post the instructions as a method of "giving" them away for free.

Dgtal

T_Dogg8
06-21-04, 03:42 PM
i don't know. i just look at it, if someone will pay for it, then good for him. if it's that big of a scam, then eventually the chips will fall and he won't sell anything.

Brett
06-21-04, 03:47 PM
in the spirit of a free market, i agree with all of you :)

GNSCOTT
06-21-04, 05:48 PM
So its OK to screw people because they don't know how to find it on a bb?

CTSV OWNER
06-21-04, 10:56 PM
Ok so if I buy this info from him and have a accident due to useing the information he "SOLD" me can I hold him liable for any damages? I'm not sue happy but I'm sure some slick money hungry people would bite at the chance.

miscreant
06-21-04, 11:02 PM
So its OK to screw people because they don't know how to find it on a bb?Okay, I'll bite. Let's sue Tylenol for screwing us out of money. Cause I can buy Equate brand 500mg Acetaminophen for $3.00 less. Or how about that book on the shelf, "How to lose 50lbs in 10 days" - but I can't seem to lose those 50lbs. Heck, draft those papers up on me folks. I bought some Doc Martens at a garage sale for .10 cents and sold them on ebay for $15.50 - boy I really screwed someone.

T_Dogg8
06-22-04, 08:30 AM
Okay, I'll bite. Let's sue Tylenol for screwing us out of money. Cause I can buy Equate brand 500mg Acetaminophen for $3.00 less. Or how about that book on the shelf, "How to lose 50lbs in 10 days" - but I can't seem to lose those 50lbs. Heck, draft those papers up on me folks. I bought some Doc Martens at a garage sale for .10 cents and sold them on ebay for $15.50 - boy I really screwed someone.
you better hope someone doesn't trip while wearing those doc marten's or they might sue you :)

no, i don't think they can sue him because he says 'not for use by the driver' so he can't be sued any easier than someone here giving it away. if there's a lawyer here (and i'm sure there is) maybe you can correct me if i'm wrong, but i don't think the fact money is being exchanged will change that arguement. if i'm wrong about that, i apologize in advance.

i don't think the guy is screwing anyone. he's selling them something that works. if what he is selling doesn't work, then he is screwing them. but he is selling a service. if someone is cutting people's hair for free, does that mean the person next door who is charging people and not telling them about the free haircuts is screwing their customers?? i don't think so. i'm an IT consultant. sometimes i do work for friends for free and sometimes i charge people, but i don't feel i'm screwing the people i charge.

DgtalPimp
06-22-04, 10:54 AM
I am an IT consultant (http://www.hostedcomp.com) as well, and I agree on some of the things you said about service and helping friends for free.

If your services are purchased and you or your work doesn't perform then you and your company are responsible for the work, costs to fix/repair, and the lost time. If you help your friend and his computer fries, you have a personal responsibility, but that is it. You may or may not help him out of the jam.

While I agree the person selling the information is not "screwing" someone, he is profiting on something he most likely didn't earn. It has been said if he found this on his own and put in the time and effort, and then he should be compensated for his efforts. If he read this or other boards and said hey I'll make a quick buck, then I agree with free enterprise thinking and suggest we supplement the supply of information (give it away for free) and therefore reduce the demand (price).

In consulting you often negotiate rates for your service; this is the same thing as you are talking about on the free vs. paying for service. One customer maybe will to pay a higher rate for your service, while customer two is only willing to pay 80% of that rate. Neither of the customers is getting screwed, they are paying for the value of that service. I am suggesting we make this information as well as future information free to our friends (board members and others willing to benefit from this). If said person wanted to contact TDogg8 (http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/member.php?userid=11538) and have him provide a different service (push the button for me) then they should pay for the additional service.

The other topic that seems to be popping up a lot on here is the litigious nature of today's society. It seems that everyone wants everything for free. I am the first to stand up for a person that has been wronged, but I also think people should take some responsibility for their actions. I wonder what will happen if I order hot coffee and I spill it on my lap. Verdict is I sue Mickey D's for a fat wad and take no responsibility for my actions. It would be totally different if I ordered a frosty cold beverage and Ronald (http://www.mcdonalds.com/usa/ronald.html) him self came out, poured hot coffee in my eyes, and then had his way with my dog in the back seat. I digress, instead of suing to make profit, we should look to right the wrongs, dare I say with out litigation?

(Pushes soapbox back under the table)
Dgtal

BUILDINGCTSAMG
06-22-04, 11:43 AM
Im shocked that people think that he is just trying to make an honest living...what about if i locked and deleted everythread on here and sold everything on ebay....thats pretty damn crappy i would say.....hes getting what he deserves by trying to make a ton of money off something that can be found for free.....imagine if i started selling you air...thats basically what hes doing....btw im charging the 30 cents to simply cover the costs of the auction..

T_Dogg8
06-22-04, 11:54 AM
Im shocked that people think that he is just trying to make an honest living...what about if i locked and deleted everythread on here and sold everything on ebay....thats pretty damn crappy i would say.....hes getting what he deserves by trying to make a ton of money off something that can be found for free.....imagine if i started selling you air...thats basically what hes doing....btw im charging the 30 cents to simply cover the costs of the auction..
first off, no one know whether he found the info on the net or he did it himself. chances are he found it, but you can't say that for certain.

ever bought a cookbook?? i hope not since you got screwed. you can just go online and find all the recipes you need. i sure hope you don't buy a newspaper, all the news is online too. better be careful be careful buying video that shows the proper way to train for a sport or to hit the perfect golf swing, that info is on the web too.

so while you're selling your air, are you going to sell water and ice also??

personally, i think he's trying to make a quick buck. he might have found the crack all on his won and deserves to get the money or maybe he didn't. either way he's not doing anything to screw anyone or anything that's not being with A LOT of other things.

urbanski
06-22-04, 12:05 PM
well it is kinda sad that the person who buys this hack (if somebody does) isn't internet savvy enough to google cts-v dvd or cts-v dvd hack. The first result is the link to this forum from ls1tech.

I mean...you'd really have to have never used the internet to buy this item....to not know google or forums exist...but then again, why would you be on e-bay in that case???

T_Dogg8
06-22-04, 12:22 PM
well it is kinda sad that the person who buys this hack (if somebody does) isn't internet savvy enough to google cts-v dvd or cts-v dvd hack. The first result is the link to this forum from ls1tech.

I mean...you'd really have to have never used the internet to buy this item....to not know google or forums exist...but then again, why would you be on e-bay in that case???
that's why i don't feel bad for the person. basically they're paying for someone to give them the info instead of getting it themselves. i have no problem with that. if someone wanted to pay me to look something up on the internet, i wouldn't feel like i'm screwing them. heck, sometimes i have users who get an error i've never seen before, so i google it and sometimes find the fix right away. they could've done the same thing and the company wouldn't have to pay to have me come do it.

urbanski
06-22-04, 12:23 PM
anybody else notice the quantity of "items" is 10? He's trying to make 190 bux.

Damn...that's almost enought for a CAIK....I'm gonna sell the URL to this forum for $5, offer 40 in quantity, and buy mine that way :D:D:D;) j/k

DgtalPimp
06-22-04, 12:40 PM
Two things.

One: Selling air and water is completely expected (you think no one buys bottled air or bottled water?)

I do not think he is making a honest money IF he got the information from a free source (this or other boards) and is selling it. I do think we can alter the buying patterns of people by posting, educating, and flat out giving away information for free. I am not advocating giving away free service, this is totally different. For example when miscreant (http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/member.php?userid=8071) gives away free information here that is one thing (which is very funny since his name (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=10&q=miscreant) implies something very different), when you show up at his dealership you better expect to pay (not trying to speak for you miscreant). If you ask me (http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/member.php?userid=11650) a quick question about something technical I will probably tell you as it educates the public. You can how ever ask me to show up and pay my consulting fee for more in depth consulting.

Two: Rereading the posts here I am still laughing at my Ronald (http://www.mcdonalds.com/usa/ronald.html) post

Dgtal

ctsvett
06-22-04, 03:56 PM
Its funny, but I am paying now (about $120/year) to host the FAQ and I am making NO money on it at all. I dont have advertisers (dont necessarily want them) and I am not going to charge for this information ever... This is just a central storage place for the GREAT information that everyone here comes up with. What right do I have to charge for this? I offer this site and my services to maintain it FOR FREE as service to everyone here (and anywhere else) for helping to find out this information, procedures, pictures, etc. If I post it, someone most likely posted it for free somewhere else....

Of course, this is my opinion and anyone is free to do what they want including charing for bottled water and air...

This is kinda a bad time to be bringing this up. Ignore that the site is down today as I am moving to the new server. HAHA.

Reed
http://www.cadillacfaq.com

DgtalPimp
06-22-04, 04:03 PM
Looking the other way until the site is up.

Clintonwmills
06-22-04, 04:31 PM
All i know is i found out how to do it, so I get half! Sell away!