: 97 Caddy STS 4.6 Tuning



Badassbird
10-26-08, 03:54 PM
Hi I am a long time GM Fuel Injection tuner and i have a customer that we have fabbed a turbo kit for it. I need to know if anyone knows of any software out there to tune and edit the factory PCM and if not does this have a MAF sensor? We havnt seen the car yet. We created most of the Turbo kit based CGI models. I appreciate any info.

Submariner409
10-26-08, 06:30 PM
Go up to Northstar Performance and do a lot of searching. There are no commercial programs or chips for the FWD Northstar PCM, and no one has successfully modified one to produce significant, repeatable power gains.

There is one turbo setup for a FWD Northstar that I know of, and it was a one-off intense labor, expensive ($12,500++) proposition. NOT a daily driver. The entire exhaust system had to be redesigned and hand built. There just is no room to work.

Yes, the car has a MAF sensor, attached to the throttlebody. There are (have been) no meaningful mods published to that, either. The later models ('00+) have the MAF inline next to the filter box.

N0DIH
11-02-08, 01:09 AM
Shoot AJxtcman on here a PM about it, see what he has. He just got back from the track running a tuned NorthStar. N* tuning is in its infancy right now, so no all out solutions just yet. But AJ has some tools the average Joe doesn't have. We hope to be working on a real time PCM soon here too. LOTS of work in process....and tons more to be done.... Don't you love breaking ground?


Hi I am a long time GM Fuel Injection tuner and i have a customer that we have fabbed a turbo kit for it. I need to know if anyone knows of any software out there to tune and edit the factory PCM and if not does this have a MAF sensor? We havnt seen the car yet. We created most of the Turbo kit based CGI models. I appreciate any info.

AJxtcman
11-02-08, 08:42 AM
Hi I am a long time GM Fuel Injection tuner and i have a customer that we have fabbed a turbo kit for it. I need to know if anyone knows of any software out there to tune and edit the factory PCM and if not does this have a MAF sensor? We havnt seen the car yet. We created most of the Turbo kit based CGI models. I appreciate any info.

I have a setup that is proven to work.

I have not run it on 2 bar, but I know someone that has.
Adding the 2 Bar should be no problem for you.

lotech22
11-02-08, 06:22 PM
What does, "2 bar" mean? Are you refering to barametric as in manifold preasure? Please; learn me sumthin'.

N0DIH
11-02-08, 06:42 PM
Yup. 2 bar, aka, 14.7 psi x 2, or roughly 30 psi over a pure vacuum (0 kPA), but being atmopheric pressure is roughly 14.7 psi, aka, 1 bar, so a 1 bar MAP reads up to 0 (100 kPA) or outside pressure, and 2 bar measures up to 14.7 psi over atmospheric pressure....

So if my SC Buick runs 170 KPA, that is 14.7 - (1.7 x 14.7) = boost in PSI, or around 10.3 psi. Not bad for stock pulley!

lotech22
11-03-08, 11:06 AM
OK, I have a question I NEED to ask. What more can one do to these cars beside what I've already done (profile & photos). I know threre's more out there, I've even grown desperate enough to even consider one those "electric superchargers". But even there, as stated above; one would encounter problems, (hence the MAF thing). Will a super or tubo even work without incident? I'm pretty much relying GO FAST stickers, YEA! The stickers'll make it go fast. ARG!! AJ!? ANYBODY! HELP!

N0DIH
11-03-08, 12:35 PM
You mean you wanna do this?

YouTube - 2003 DHS Tire spin

Talk to AJ....

Those "electric" superchargers are simply a joke, they can't even think about doing anything. They might work on a lawnmower.... But they are NOT positive displacement pumps. They are just fans.

AJ, we need to get together and see if we can get a blower on Berts car....Dang if I didn't sell that one I had.

lotech22
11-03-08, 01:49 PM
YEA! It's ironic, I had just seen that on You-Tube 5min before I checked back on this thread. & Yes, I know all about that gimmic. Also, is there a way to adjust timing or a cam set (maybe from an LS1 or somthing).

N0DIH
11-03-08, 02:00 PM
Nothing really cam wise, you can toss on the 300 hp cams on a 275 hp. Or mix and match (might be interesting), talk to AJ, he would know what is inside, I don't have one, worked on one, but I only got as far as intake off.... As for timing, nope, PCM is what you have to mess with. We have long way to go, but gaining ground....

lotech22
11-03-08, 03:04 PM
Ok, AJ; what's a person gotta' do ta' get you to chime in here? Say your name three times? And how the hell did you make your Caddy so damn fasty? What can I for my deville? Or, how much for you to tweak an ECU?

Submariner409
11-03-08, 05:13 PM
That Cadillac is no faster than yours by any appreciable amount. That video is the result of some work on traction and torque control, tires and pressures, not engine horsepower. Neither AJ nor anyone else has hit the magic fuel/timing/torque numbers to guarantee consistent power gains. I can do exactly the same thing in my STS and I don't get to that 5th power pole any faster than any other daily driver STS in here.

We're all waiting. Get in line. Accept the fact that there is not anything currently on the table or drawing board that is going to make you a drag star. Read, heed advice, experiment.

AJ is currently in the process of a cross-country relocation, so he hops in and out as time permits. Even he will admit he doesn't have the magic key yet. Hang in there.

N0DIH
11-03-08, 05:37 PM
Yup, mph numbers tell the story of hp. ET tells the story of hookup/launch. So being ABLE to launch roasting the tires is a plus as when you put on slicks you have the possibility to put more power to the ground not sucking it up in TC/TM.

Like I said this is in its infancy.

lotech22
11-03-08, 06:45 PM
Alright, just so I'm straight on this & to confirm; THAT mod is the front speed sensors in parallel w/the rear speed sensors (& an on-off switch in there to engage) trick, right?

Oh, and NOW I'm at least considering taking the cams out of a same year Concourse (300hp) & toss 'em into my base model (275hp) I think it's a base or a D'elligence. I mean, it can't ALLL just be pcm tweaking; can it. or are those cams the EXACT same specs. Where does the differance lie?

N0DIH
11-03-08, 07:12 PM
No, it isn't bypassing the sensors, and don't try, it just activates other things to slow you down.

Talk to AJ before you go swapping cams. (PM him) he has a good idea what works and doesn't, he has done a lot of study on it.


Alright, just so I'm straight on this & to confirm; THAT mod is the front speed sensors in parallel w/the rear speed sensors (& an on-off switch in there to engage) trick, right?

Oh, and NOW I'm at least considering taking the cams out of a same year Concourse (300hp) & toss 'em into my base model (275hp) I think it's a base or a D'elligence. I mean, it can't ALLL just be pcm tweaking; can it. or are those cams the EXACT same specs. Where does the differance lie?

AJxtcman
11-03-08, 08:17 PM
That Cadillac is no faster than yours by any appreciable amount. That video is the result of some work on traction and torque control, tires and pressures, not engine horsepower. Neither AJ nor anyone else has hit the magic fuel/timing/torque numbers to guarantee consistent power gains. I can do exactly the same thing in my STS and I don't get to that 5th power pole any faster than any other daily driver STS in here.

We're all waiting. Get in line. Accept the fact that there is not anything currently on the table or drawing board that is going to make you a drag star. Read, heed advice, experiment.

AJ is currently in the process of a cross-country relocation, so he hops in and out as time permits. Even he will admit he doesn't have the magic key yet. Hang in there.
We ran a 14.6
That is just a little faster than your STS

AJxtcman
11-03-08, 09:46 PM
Alright, just so I'm straight on this & to confirm; THAT mod is the front speed sensors in parallel w/the rear speed sensors (& an on-off switch in there to engage) trick, right?

Oh, and NOW I'm at least considering taking the cams out of a same year Concourse (300hp) & toss 'em into my base model (275hp) I think it's a base or a D'elligence. I mean, it can't ALLL just be pcm tweaking; can it. or are those cams the EXACT same specs. Where does the differance lie?

NO I have a module to fool the EBTCM

Now how fast do you plan on going?

Blower or Turbo?

Nitrous?

lotech22
11-04-08, 02:21 AM
Well nitrous is a bit much & I'm thinking blown just 'cause it'll be easier then trying to fit the thing w/down pipes. I'll bet those would have to custom made. All I really want is about 325-350hp. I mean, 400+ would be great but...well, I like the idea of going MORE than 3 or 4 miles on a FULL tank. How fast? as fast as that DTS on the dragstrip. ANYTHING you could' do you'ld be a hero. Oh, also; what about that whole cam swapping thing from concourse to base model, or just swap the heads entirely possibly to save labor (or potential homocide)? Any gains there? By the way, What is this module you use?

AJxtcman
11-04-08, 02:36 PM
Well nitrous is a bit much & I'm thinking blown just 'cause it'll be easier then trying to fit the thing w/down pipes. I'll bet those would have to custom made. All I really want is about 325-350hp. I mean, 400+ would be great but...well, I like the idea of going MORE than 3 or 4 miles on a FULL tank. How fast? as fast as that DTS on the dragstrip. ANYTHING you could' do you'ld be a hero. Oh, also; what about that whole cam swapping thing from concourse to base model, or just swap the heads entirely possibly to save labor (or potential homocide)? Any gains there? By the way, What is this module you use?

New Comp Cams are cheap.


I am working on something new again.
I will let you know how it goes.