: Extended weekend? Roadtrip to Nashville!



Night Wolf
10-15-08, 10:40 PM
Alright, so I've been rethinking my car situation lately and decided that I just need something practical and new more then anything, got a sweet score on this '08 with only 22k miles..... I present to you Lola the Corolla:

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Lola has sweet rims:

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A luxurious interior:

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Looks spiffy for an econobox...

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roomy backseat:

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sweet gauges:

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huge trunk:

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but not for Mafia use :(

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and the best part? Underneath the everybody loves me styling, Lola is a throughbread racecar:

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Night Wolf
10-15-08, 11:06 PM
Nah... just kidding, Lola was the rental tho. Needed a car, one way, one night. When I was told it was a Corolla, my reply was "anything else" they said "no" I almost went someplace else... a G6 or Aura would have been cool.... but a Corolla? Ah well I figured if anything else I'll get good gas mileage. Lola is like the geeky girl with glasses that sits in the corner and nobody bothers with her unless they need something. However lots of one night stands and long term to her is 2 weeks, maybe a whole month once or twice... looks innocent enough but underneath it all, pretty boring.

As for the car.. I must say, over the course of the 400 miles I put on it, I really bonded with it... started out as... man it's a freakin Corolla, but ended up being sorta sad to see it go (however to be honest it was quickly forgotten unless when I think about the trip up)

First impressions? You sit too upright, it's like driving a mini-van. Also the throttle, I have yet to drive a car with throttle by wire that I like, you lightly tap the gas and it is like you just gave it 50% throttle, thinking there was massive power to be had I push the pedal further, then it hits the stop. Took a while getting used to. It is actually fairly peppy and able to do any normal car thing like merging and passing pretty well.

The best way I can describe this car is, it is the perfect car for someone that dosen't care about cars. Really, thats it. There was alot of things I didn't like about it... yet it just worked well as a car, for someone that treats their car as an appliance, this is the car for them... maybe why they are so popular.

What didn't I like about it? Besides the above mentioned things, off the top of my head, the wiper stalk was a pain, if you kinda flicked it up, it would overshoot on the return and go down into delay mode, so you had to easily move it down. The stereo had a 6-disc in dash CD changer, not bad... but, enable to put even 1 CD in you need to first push load, what that means is when you flip thru your CD case and get a CD that is now in your hand, you can't just slide it into the player, you need to first wrestle a finger free to push load, then put it in. Also the car is picky about the passenger seat, not only does it have a weight sensor like all new cars to turn the airbag off, but it also has a secondary sensor to trigger the seat belt alarm, and it seems like it's set to about 15lbs, because my 2 CD cases on the seat was fine, but if I put my laptop on the seat with the CD cases, the light starts flashing, then if you drive like that, it keeps bonging at you, so the laptop had to sit on the floor.... quite a pain for someone that uses the passenger seat on solo roadtrips to hold stuff.

There were several other grips, I really don't remeber them, but driving the car, really it was fine, steering and handling were tight at all speeds (and I mean all speeds) acceleration, braking etc... I mean for what it is, again, can't complain.... like I said it's the perfect car for someone that just want's a generic, boring car.

I will say I now understand why all Corolla drivers drive like idiots... it's the car, I normally set the cruise to 65 (in a 70) in the Lincoln for max MPG... in the Corolla? the cruise was set to 85-90 most the trip with routine runs higher then that, swerving, weaving you name it... I know I was being a typical Corolla driver that night. Surprisingly tho, after nearly all WOT runs and extended high speed driving, it still got over 31mpg.... filling up on $36 with gas over 3 bucks/gallon to go over 350 miles under those driving conditions.... not bad.

What the cruise was set to most of the time:

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stuck in traffic for 1.5hrs on 285 in ATL... F-150 towing a load of those drag boats (narrow but really long) crashed across the whole interstate... sitting in traffic in a Corolla for 90mins is about the most boring thing you can do in a car, even listening to my music became dull.

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Once we got moving again Lola wanted to run with the wind... so I figured I'd let her have at it.... but even this was boring....

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The speedo stopped but it got another 200RPM or so out of it, but then it wasn't a typical fuel shutoff limiter, I guess from the throttle by wire it just automatically throttled the engine back (just a tad) to maintain whatever speed it was.

So I figured I'd take Lola out to dinner:

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Then after dinner Lola was bugging the heck outta me to go visit some friends, so I said ok, but only for a few minutes:

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But she was soon getting thirsty after the workouts:

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Cheap to keep happy tho:

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Heading in for the night, Lola found a boring buddy to keep company with:

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if sexy was boring:

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After a nights rest it was time to accomplish the reason behind the trip... sorry Lola, but our time is coming to an end soon....

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A seconadry part of the trip was to meet up with Ben in Chattanooga Saturday evening and spend the night there. So I had a box load of Caddy stuff as well as the modded '68 472 intake manifold and rebuilt 425 carb to find a new home:

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Night Wolf
10-15-08, 11:30 PM
What else was I carrying with me on the trip?

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What would $2,500 buy? well, that money was supposed to pay off my last remaining credit card, which would have been the smart move... but...

I present to you, Noelle. Compared to Lola, Noelle is freakin HOTT but without the need for any "enhancers" shes just naturally awesome looking. Noelle is a little rough around the edges and needs some TLC, but has chosen to only be in a few long term relationships instead, and is now ready to settle down and be content for a [long] time. Noelle is loads of fun and excitment, thats the only way to explain it, pure awesomeness, and most of all, she much prefers to go topless, she thinks she looks better topless too, so it's fine with me:

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Howver Noelle has a couple dozen flaws, the first that had to be addressed was the shifter thatwas split and would fall off in my hand everytime gears were changed:

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oohhhhh carbon fiber..... this should bring back any lost HP...

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Actually very happy with the end result, it'll stay.

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Noelle really enjoys the open road:

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and so do I:

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Noelle is not without faults, several have been addressed already like the bent drivers door handle, the torn shifter boot, messed up parking brake boot, missing rear ashtray, faulty window switch and no interior lights at night (bad light switch) Other faults would be, typical German fashion, electrical problems with the cluster, temp and gas gauge don't work, or just kinda dance around doing weird things as well as half the bulbs in it bad, the odometer WAS working (something I made sure to check for, not that it mattered) but after driving it 12 miles, it stopped (common problem on these) so I don't know if the 130k is real or not... the guy said it was and autocheck seems to agree, so maybe I was the chosen one and after all this time it decided to stop working when I first got it. Other then that, the passenger seat is all messed up, I need to take it out, see whats wrong and put it back in. Both heated seats are not working, A/C is not holding a charge (ummmm....yeah) Then of course, the body.... shes loaded with door dings up and down both sides... sad site to see, but now it adds character, clear coat is peeling on the passenger fender (and only the fender) but that fender also has a few bigger dents, so it will be replaced and repainted some time in the future. Couple more smaller dents on the drivers door, some dings on the trunk, and hard to see, but along the rockers, someone didn't know how to properly use the spare tire jack and kinda bent the body work at all 4 locations. When I get to it, I am going to have a PDR person attend to all the dings, most should come out well. Oh yeah, one of Noelles biggest problems, the suspension is totally shot... it floats down the highway worse then the Lincoln, has more body roll then the Lincoln and dips n dives worse then the Lincoln... other then that, mechanically shes solid, engine, clutch, trans, steering, all tight and working great

She has alot going for her tho, shes the exact model, colors and options I wanted. The top is only 2 yrs old and looks it, tho it seems to be installed off a tad as there are gaps between the windows and stuff, driving int he rain it didin't leak, but washing it with the garden hose caused a mini flood inside. The guy just put $1,100 into it to give it to his 16yo daughter as a first car, who took one look at it and said "daddy, you know I wanted a BMW convertbile, but I am not driving a stick" Yeah... no words on that one, oh well, now shes mine. Of the work he had done was all 3 power steering hoses replaced, all the fan belts replaced, valve cover gasket, oil change and several other things.... timing belts are about the only thing that will kill these engines, and this was was "repalced around 100k" and has the replacement sticker under the hood tho I can't read any numbers on it. I'll do it in the future to be sure of when it was last done, but atleast now it's not top priority. She'll be getting a full tune up and all fluids changed soon, the suspension needs to be addressed but if I am gonna do it I am gonna do it right, which will take money so it'll wait for now.

The car is an absolute joy... hard to explain, It's already my favorite car. For the first time since the Coupe was stolen, my passion for cars is back. I put so much into that car and was never going to sell it, then it was stolen, since then I've maintained my cars well and taken care of them, but they have just been "cars" with no connection, I thought maybe I just grew older and got past cars... but since getting Noelle, that passion is back, I enjoy the car for what it is and have that desire for cars like I once did. It's been over 2yrs now since the Coupe was stolen... also interesting to note that the last (only) car car that I named was in fact the Coupe (Madison) and now Noelle... I am glad tho because I really missed being into cars like I was, but it was hard because I just didn't have the desire for them like I used to.

Noelle wasn't bought to replace anything... however when it comes to driving the red 5spd BMW convertible on roadtrips or not... unless it's going to be freezing or raining the entire time, I don't think I can pass it up... which makes the (main) reason why I have the Lincoln kinda redundent. I wasn't planning on selling the Lincoln, but since getting Noelle, the thought is in my mind, I figured I'd give myself 4-6 months and if it is just sitting in the driveway parked (as it has been) then I may sell it. I don't want to, and have alot into it, but if it isn't getting used, then the money I get from it would pretty much pay off whats left on my student loan.... when I think of it like that, it makes me want to sell it if it isn't going to be used... but I do like that car alot. The Isuzu isn't going anywhere, it's the work truck, tows the trailer and has a specific use.

Night Wolf
10-15-08, 11:56 PM
So, left Nashville, the radio finally let me put the code in so I had music... cassette wouldn't accept the tape so no ipod, only FM... ah well.

Arrived at the predetermined meeting location... the Tennessee welcome center, where after a short while Ben showed up with none other then the '89 Fleetwood Brougham.... it was good to see the car again.

Interesting to note that despite being 1989/1990 model years, build dates on these cars put them just over 2 months apart... comparing them side by side it is very hard to believe they are 2 months apart, just about as extreme ends as you can get.... but both so very awesome in their own right.

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Who can spot the BMW convertible in the picture? (hint look for the fixed door window)

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The Caddy really looks like a freight train in comparison. I kept thinking, if these two cars were in a movie with a tornado chase scene, the BMW would be swerving side to side and using it's speed to get away, while the Caddy would just be ramming stright thru everything and exiting with various items jammed in the grille.

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Both have got the quad headlight thing going on.... sweet.

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BMW with formal roof and tailfins?

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Couple pics of the associated drivers:

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I look horrible. I seriosuly spent about 2minutes packing, I just grabbed whatever was clean I could find and threw them in the bag. I had no reservations for anything, and didn't even have directions for anything, I just knew to head North, first to Chattanooga then to Nashville and had an exit picked out off the interstate to stay at.

The pictures ended there, I just couldn't stop driving the car... kinda like now, yesterday I wanted to fix the seat, but, drove the car. When it's 80* and sunny it's kinda hard not to drive the car. I am very impressed with the I6, and must say they are every bit as awesome as people make them out to be. The M20B25 is a now very old engine (1976) and pretty darn simple, just a belt driven SOHC, only 2.5L..... yeah, the I6 is smaller then the I4 in the Zu.... yet it produces 168hp and 164ft-lbs torque... it dosen't seem like much, but this sucker moves, and moves well. Barks 2nd gear and chirps 3rd (at 90mph... yes there is a witness) The car isn't super light either, convertbile weighs the most around 3,100lbs curb weight... I dunno, maybe it is the German thing, but it moves. It's powerful from any RPM and can be driven without going over 3k fine, but it's just fun to rev up, 4,500RPM it's like a whole new powerband and actually pulls harder. It's the fastest car I've owned, not sure what it runs in the 1/4mi but the Coupe ran a 15.9 and it's faster then that. It pulls hard at any speed, I don't know what the speed limiter is, and on the way to find out I decided to stop as turns were coming up and the suspension is really shot.... but it was pulling pretty darn good in 4th as it passed 115. Runs on regular gas and if the cruise is set to a resonable speed, like 70, it'll get about 29mpg.... I wasn't able to do that and kep the cruise at 80-85 which was bringing 22-24mpg, driving around town seems to be averaging 21/22mpg as well.... not bad at all. The 4cyl versions get int the mid 30's on the highway... but I wanted the I6 (and the extra toys they come with)

Back home, before any cleaning was done.... one of the rare times Noelle will be caught with her top up:

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Night Wolf
10-15-08, 11:59 PM
After some quick treatment with Aerospace303... I wanted to really clean the whole interior... but.... I can't stop driving it... haven't even vaccumed her out either. I much wanted the tan/black interior over all black, it really helps break it up.... and man the E30 interior is flat out awesome, the whole car is made to be easily used by the driver, everything feels right, and is within easy reach and where it needs to be. When my hand is resting on the shifter in 5th, I just move my fingers up to change the radio settings/OBC or move my hand down a bit to change climate controls, and speaking of them, I really like the quirky setup the car has, it's really cool. Everything about the car I like, things I never thought I would, like the seperate cruise and wiper stalks... it's just an awesome car to drive.

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hood mat looks newish:

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Noelle has an aggressive side too...

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Ah yes, the magic of it all. I think this engine is one of the best looking engines of all, without the use of any plastics, covers, or dress-up kits. It reminds me of an old inline piston aircraft engine for some reason. The oil cap was cracked, so I replaced it but the new one is metal and the bar you turn it by dosen't go front to back like the original when closed all the way so it kinda looks odd, I'll probably try and get another factory one. This engine has no PCV system, instead just a vented oil cap... thought that was interesting. But both the valve cover and intake manifold look really cool, some day I'll pull them, then clean and paint them up to make it look nice.

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true dual exhaust on an inline-six.... sweet. Either the muffler has a hole in it or has been replaced (but dosen't look like either) as it's kinda loud, sounds ok, but has a drone when crusing, especially around town.... sounds good tho.

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After a wash/dry, clar bar, polishing compound and ICE:

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Night Wolf
10-16-08, 12:04 AM
As far as I am concerned, it's the most awesome $2,500 car I could have bought, already don't have plans on getting rid of her. To think that the thought of buying a new Saturn Sky crossed my mind, I just coudln't justify spending (borrowing) $35,000 on such a car.... heck the sales tax on that alone would have been more then I paid for Noelle, honestly I am as happy as could be with Noelle, and all her little quirks and problems, and ontop of how sweet the car itself is, the fact that it brought back my passion for cars, or atleast this car, is something that is hard to put a price on.... it is now a hobby again, I haven't felt this way since I had the '93 Coupe several years ago.

Heh, between all 3 of my cars, I spent a total of $7,800.... which is less them what most people would pay for a single used car.... and all of them are awesome in their own right. As it is now I own American, European and Japaneese, I4, I6 and V8, manual and automatic, off-road truck, luxobarge cruiser and sporty convertible... I can stick up for any of them or knock any of them, all have good and bad points and are awesome in their own right.... it's mainly for this reason that I would be hard pressed to sell the Lincoln... if I had a covered palce to park it I would probably be more inclined to hold onto it, but now with the BMW, covered parking would be nice.... maybe a carport is int he future.

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thebigjimsho
10-16-08, 01:06 AM
You have squatty legs.

Jesda
10-16-08, 01:16 AM
That is a RIDICULOUSLY NICE CAR.

gary88
10-16-08, 02:00 AM
Awesome E30 Rick, congrats!! :highfive:

Benzilla
10-16-08, 02:33 AM
There it is! lol, the pics of the two together are hilarious.

Good too see Noel is looking up, man that was a fun trip. Remember the girl in the import screaming at you? lol.

Ben

Cliff8928
10-16-08, 04:02 AM
Nice find. I similarly picked up a '91 300SL Benz last year (with a M/T!). It fits me better than the E30 does.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
10-16-08, 11:18 AM
Sweet thread Rick!!! One of your best! How's it feel owning German??? :D

ejguillot
10-16-08, 01:06 PM
That car (for that price!) is AWESOME. You can always pay off the plastic another day.

Enjoy the ride!

slk230mb
10-16-08, 02:45 PM
Nice find :)

I~LUV~Caddys8792
10-16-08, 05:29 PM
Oh hey, I did some digging around, and it turns out that the 325i IS in fact faster than your Coupe deVille. Check it out! :D

http://www.albeedigital.com/supercoupe/articles/0-60_Quarter_Mile_Times/B_0-60times.html



1989 BMW 325i 7.5 15.5
1990 BMW 325i 7.8 16.0
1992 BMW 325i 7.8 15.8

MauiV
10-16-08, 07:16 PM
Its a good looking car for the age and especially the price but I just dont get the infatuation with these Bimmers.

Oh yeah I HATE orange interior lights.

Cadillacboy
10-16-08, 07:38 PM
Thanks for the pics

96Fleetwood
10-16-08, 08:05 PM
Congrats, very nice find for a very nice price! :thumbsup:

Night Wolf
10-16-08, 10:55 PM
update:

I still can't stop driving the car. Found out today I will have this weekend off, that means a whole weekend to....drive the car :) Today I took it out on my favorite driving road, 20 miles long, turned around and came back. Even with a trashed suspension, still fun. Going it was mostly in 4th with downshifts into 3rd, redlining gears.... I'm quite impressed with the engine power. On the way back it was mostly kept in 5th with a sustained higher cruise speed, which was also very fun.

Today Noelle got her own tag, no more borrowing the Lincoln's. Found out a couple neat things... the battery is nearly brand new, just a few months old, thats cool. I bought a new air filter and when I went to put it in (kind of a pain) I found out the car already had a K&N drop-in panel filter.... that was a nice little find, so I took it out, it was dirty so I cleaned and re-oiled it. I'll be returning the other filter.

The car is really addicting to drive, with all the quirks, it dosen't matter. It still surprises how much "me" is in this car, everything about it, is just awesome.

Anyway, she is a 1990, I don't think I mentioned that yet. 1991 was last year for the 2/4 door, but the convertible went on to 1993, unlike the hardtops which got the facelift in 1989 IIRC the convertible didn't get it until 1991. Honestly, even tho the facelifts look cleaner and more modern, I do like the "diving board" bumpers and rectangle fog lights, I dunno, but on this car they just work well... I also don't mind the "bottlecaps" wheels that most don't like. However, unlike the hardtops, the plastic facelifted bumpers are a direct swap, so maybe sometime in the future. I don't think there were many options, but she seems to have a few, like heated seats I think was optional, and I first thought it didn't have the premium sound system, as there is no external fader control, but then I read the seperate tweeter pods on the doors means it is premium sound, so I dunno. I will say for a 1990 car the head unit has some neat features, the cassette deck (that won't take tapes) is full logic, it's got all digital bass/treble/fader/balance controls, it picks up NOAA weather band (I think thats cool) has built in anti-theft, and at night when it lights up the BMW redish orange, if you have a radio preset selected, the number changes green to tell you what preset is on. Other then that, I am not sure what options there were, I think LSD was an option, and I'm not sure if it has it or not. I think by 1990 the Ellipsoid headlights were gone, so mine are sealed beam. I think it was 1991 that brought the driver side airbag, which from what I heard either dosen't work, or if it does go off it impacts your nose into your skull. Personally I didn't want one, plus the airbag steering wheel is bland, reminds me of a base model early 90's F-150, in comparison my tri-spoked jeweled steering wheel is much cooler.

From what I can gather I am the 3rd, maybe the 4th main owner. Noelle has always been a Southern belle (that was a must) so there is NO rust on her, underbody is sexy and clean. I did find out via some paperwork and stuff with the car that she was a lease vehicle, that kinda stinks, but at this age I don't think it matters, plus, looking at the paper work it looks like BMW was pretty picky about their leases, requiring a 1,200mile inspection which included all fluids changed, lots of adjustments etc... then routine services. Looks like she was originally from Northern GA, but spent most all her life in Tennessee. The guy I bought it from had it for several months but never registered it, and didn't drive it much, he worked at a used car dealer and would put a dealer plate on it, he mainly got it to fix up and give to his daughter. The guy before that he said was some political person on state level, or in their family or something, I asked about previous maintenace and he wasn't able to give specifics but said they weren't the kind of people to just let things go... and... for the most part, it shows, I just don't understand how the poor thing is loaded with door dings, I mean really it's like someone just parked it in the middle of a parking lot with SUV's with a huge sign that says "please open your door into my car"

I first was trying to get this car... it's very rare to see these things mint, one owner, extremely well taken care of, I was trying to come up with the money then the auction was taken down, but a few days later put back up where someone quickly bought it now. That car is worth every penny, because to bring even Noelle to near that condition would end up taking more then that, but... I dunno, at the same time, I don't have covered parking, and also would probably be really picky about where I take it and what I do etc... whereas Noelle's been there done that, she goes everywhere with me (except to work on a daily basis) What it really came down to was, this car was a whole $4,000 more then Noelle, and when you factor in airfare and the extra costs of travel back, more days etc... that would have easily been another $1,000 ontop of the cost to get Noelle here, so overall it would have been $5,000 more, and that to me is alot, because for the same price of that car I could have Noelle, and my student loan paid off, or a new roof on the house and then some etc... really, I couldn't afford it, as much as a mint car it was. But, I wanted those colors, and Noelle is just a 2 year older sibling (that car has the Ellipsoids) but is otherwise pretty much the same thing.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT&viewitem=&item=320299908990

Night Wolf
10-16-08, 11:41 PM
You have squatty legs.

Part of the whole full Italian thing. They don't even make pants in my size (36/38x28) so I need to get them hemmed. Anyway, those shorts are really long and I normally just wear them around the house, but like I said, I didn't take any time to pack. Of the 3 shorts I brought, 1 I wore on the way up, these were the 2nd and the 3rd were wayy too big and I didn't have a belt with me.

Thanks for the concern tho :)


That is a RIDICULOUSLY NICE CAR.

I figured you'd like it.... somebodies gotta keep the little BMW convertible spirit alive on the forums ;)


Awesome E30 Rick, congrats!!

Thanks, I've been wanting one for a while now, first not a convertible as they are normally more money, but then that switched to only a convertible, I've been (somewhat) patient, I think I first became interested in the E30's about a year and a half ago now, personally I went thru alot of changes in the not too long ago past, and in fact when I was talking about them I said "anything but red" then a week later it changed to "only red" But Noelle is the exact colors I wanted (wanted the tan/black interior) so she was more then worth the wait... rough around the edges, but it gives me something to do, and thats what makes it fun, not to mention builds the bond with the car :)


There it is! lol, the pics of the two together are hilarious.

Good too see Noel is looking up, man that was a fun trip. Remember the girl in the import screaming at you? lol.

Ben


Heh, the two girls in the silver Civic... I am just not used to getting attention from others in my car, so I kinda zoned out and wasn't even aware they were shouting at us.

This car gets attention from EVERYONE. I dunno if it's cause it's red, a BMW, a convertible, or all of the above.... but everyone notices the car. Girls look/say things about it, older guys seem to take long stares when parked, rednecks in their primered Ford and Chevy pickups like to race their engines at it. I've already gotten several "oh you have a BMW" comments, and especially when people see it... I'm thinking to myself, yeah and I paid $2,500 for it, or basically what you could have gotten a beat up '97 Civic for.


Nice find. I similarly picked up a '91 300SL Benz last year (with a M/T!). It fits me better than the E30 does.

Sweet, is it a convertible? For me, the E30 is just pure awesomeness, I wouldn't mind trying the Benz either, but I dunno, something about the E30 can't explain it... heck it's the same feeling that first drew me to them, but then ontop of all the E30's of the world, there is "my" E30, and that is something that is in a class by itself, atleast for me.


Sweet thread Rick!!! One of your best! How's it feel owning German???

I figured you'd be happy to hear about it :) Perhaps if I didn't talk about wanting one so much it would have been a surprise. I can only speak for Noelle, but so far I am very impressed. Build quality overall seems to be top notch, just a well put together car. Although I can already tell finding parts is a little harder then similar American/Japaneese, and [some] parts are expensive... $150 for spark plug wires and $100 for distrubutor cap/rotor.... but... ah well... honestly I like this car so much none of that really matters, shes not going anywhere either. It is just a very rewarding car to own and drive.

The closest thing I've driven to it would be my friends '94 and '01 Jetta... I dunno, felt similar in some ways, mostly the steering and transmission, I guess it's the German thing? whatever it is, I like it.... alot.


That car (for that price!) is AWESOME. You can always pay off the plastic another day.

Enjoy the ride!

heh, thats the mindset I am trying to stay out of.... but.... yeah I'd have to say Noelle is the exception... now I just need to get back on track to getting the card paid off instead of spending the money back on her.... gah


Oh hey, I did some digging around, and it turns out that the 325i IS in fact faster than your Coupe deVille. Check it out!

http://www.albeedigital.com/supercou...0-60times.html

As far as I know, nothing changed on the 325i from '89 to '90 yet they have .5s different 1/4 time? and if the '92 was a hardtop it would be an E36. I know shes defintily faster then the Coupe... how much? I dunno, I'd say atleast a mid 15s car, if not low 15's... there are some various mods to the engine that can be done, but shes got plenty of power for now, I want to address all broken things first, clean her up and get as much of the bodywork stuff taken care of before I worry about making her faster... if I decide to go that route. I must say, it's just very fun to drive knowing it's an older engine design, 12-valve etc... nothing fancy here just a very well thought out and built engine that is a joy to drive.


Its a good looking car for the age and especially the price but I just dont get the infatuation with these Bimmers.

Drive one (with a manual trans) :) I used to think the same thing, especially in 2 door hardtop form, they looked like 80's Sentras to me and looked cheap, thought they had plastic door handles and the interior looked like it was cheap as well.. but when you actually get up close with one and use it, it just has a very solid feeling to it, opening/closing the doors, all the switches and controls are smooth but give you positive feedback that they are doing what they are supposed to, and with the exception of badly worn out shocks, the whole car itself is still very tight and very "new" feeling even after almost 20yrs and 130k+ miles... I really thought going from the brand new Corolla (even tho it was just a Corolla) to the old BMW that it would be a downgrade since the car would be worn and stuff, but much the oppisite, steering is every bit as tight, brakes stop with assurance, clutch feels like it could be new, like I said, the shocks are shot, but other then that she is solid. I haven't done a darn thing to the engine or anything mechanical and it made the 400 mile trip down here fine and daily drives as well as plenty of spirited driving just fine. Also as far as I can tell, the leather seats are all original, as in not redone or anything (top of backseat is faded as they all are) but there is NO wear on any of the seats at all... not even a single crease, I can't believe it, the seats may as well look brand new, weather they were redone in the past or not, I dunno, but they look like any other I've seen. Man they really hold you in around the turns too, you don't move one bit... not used to that :)


Oh yeah I HATE orange interior lights

I used to aswell :) They are BMW redish orange, which is a mix between Infinty orange and Pontiac red.... even tho I've only got a faulty fuel gage and working speedo lite up at night, I really like the way they look at night... a sporty, but somewhat luxury look that is kinda 80's themed, the gauges are kinda plain with the white needles, but at night the way they glow is really cool. I am not going to get the white face gauges that glow blue at night like I thought I was, instead when I pull the cluster to rebuild it, I am going to paint all the needles red to breakup the white/black thing, then they make carbon fiber overlay for it and some trim rings around the gauges which really gives it a much improved, updated look... never thought I'd see the day I'd choose carbon fiber and aluminum over wood and chrome, but... not in the E30, thought about getting a newer BMW wood shifter, but it just woudln't look right and I like my "carbon fiber" shifter now, it's a neat look, so I think the gauges will look good too... it's not going to be overly done, but just something to freshen up the interior a bit.

I want to do something similar to what this person did:

http://www.e30tech.com/forum/showthread.php?t=51635


Thanks for the pics

Your welcome.

Thanks for all the congrats! :) Maybe this weekend I'll get her cleaned up more and drive someplace nice to take pictures... radio said today that slight chance of rain Friday but Saturday and Sunday will be 80's and sunny... that brought a smile to my face :)

One thing I learned about BMW.... everything in the car is designed to be removed by prying.... switches, panels, clips, engine.... all of it, I never had a car where things were actually removed by prying... yet somehow it all fits together well, stays put and no rattles, not bad.

Driving this car is really an experience. It feels part daily driver, part classic car, part race car, part everything. Hard to explain, but it isn't the yuppie BMW, it's the gearhead BMW, and it is now older with classic styling that it sorta feels like driving a classic car around, yet it is an entirely modern car, fuel injection, 4 wheel disc brakes with ABS, and enough features and toys inside that only now is finally becoming standard on mid sized cars. About the main luxury items that seperate the 325i from the Town Car would be the manual (but awesome) seats and lack of any sort of automatic climate control (which I wouldn't want, I like it how it is) But, it's got power windows, central locking (really cool, both doors, trunk and gas cap all lock by pushing either lock down or using the key from any of the locks) has heated key locks/mirrors, even tho it has a vinyl rear window it has a rear defroster, which uses a small heater/blower to blow air on the window. The really cool trip computer, heated seats, cruise control/intermittent wipers etc... basically all the stuff that is actually useful to have on a car. It dosen't have tilt steering, I don't think any did, but that dosen't matter, the wheel is just perfect as it is, I can rest my arm on the door sill and keep my hand on the wheel, the whole car is just designed correctly.

Oh and putting the top up and down is about the easiest thing to do, it can be done in about 2 minutes, literally, and that is with the fact that the gas struts to the parade boot door thing are shot and don't hold it up.... I am surprised how well thought out that system is. I think in 1991 they made it a power top, which was prone to breaking... but really after doing it manual, there is no need for power top, plus I like the fact that it's manual.

gary88
10-16-08, 11:46 PM
Are the shift throws pretty long? That's a trait I've heard common to BMWs.

Night Wolf
10-17-08, 12:06 AM
Are the shift throws pretty long? That's a trait I've heard common to BMWs.

ya know, I was kinda surprised myself at first, but yeah they are... atleast compared to the Saturn Sky, which is very short....

When I was used to driving the Zu and I drove my friends '99 Saab 9-3, I darn near sent the shifter into the engine bay as I was used to longer throws and that car had somewhat shorter throws... however oddly enough going from the Zu to the BMW and back and fourth, the shifter throws are not as much of a difference as I would think. (tho to be fair the shifter for the '94-only Amigo was changed to be more "car-like" then the older "truckers broomstick" version)

Everything in the BMW is very firm, the clutch has a stiff feeling to it as well as the throttle, in comparison, when I start driving the Zu again, it feels like the clutch and gas pedals are not connected to anything.... I guess BMW wants a more positive feeling with the car.

The bushings in my shifter are shot too, I don't think you are supposed to be able to wiggle the shifter in all directions when it is in gear, the '92 318i Convertbile I remember had a tighter feeling shifter... but also that trans shifted pretty smooth.... for some reason mine dosen't have the smooth as butter feel, but I haven't driven enough to compare... in fact I used to think the Zu had a notchy trans but after driving it from the BMW, it seems to go into gear a little smoother.... I dunno, it's not that the trans on the BMW fights me, it just feels... well, notchy. There dosen't seem to be any indication that the clutch slave cylinder would be bad or it's not fully disengaging etc... so I was going to change the trans fluid and put good stuff in, and see what needs to be done to replace the shifter bushings and see how it is from there. I know there are several short throw kits made for it B&M makes one they said it is 20% shorter... one would probably be nice in the future, but for now there are other things.

77CDV
10-17-08, 02:08 AM
When I read the first post in this thread, I thought you needed your meds adjusted. Thank heavens you were joking! Anyway, very nice ride and very well bought. Enjoy!

Craig

PS: You seem to have lost weight?

Night Wolf
10-17-08, 06:12 AM
When I read the first post in this thread, I thought you needed your meds adjusted. Thank heavens you were joking! Anyway, very nice ride and very well bought. Enjoy!

Craig

PS: You seem to have lost weight?

Heh, yeah I was thinking about just leaving that first post up for about a day ;)

Yeah, loosing weight, between being much more active at the new job, being active around the house (cutting trees down, yard work etc...) and eating better, I'm slowly loosing some weight :)

Jesda
10-17-08, 08:16 AM
I noticed that too. You used to be pudgy like me. Okay, not quite that big.

Every late 80s/early 90s BMW I've driven has had a stiff clutch, but its something you get used to. Unfortunately, recent knee injuries make it hard to enjoy it.

slk230mb
10-17-08, 11:35 AM
I noticed that too. You used to be pudgy like me. Okay, not quite that big.

Every late 80s/early 90s BMW I've driven has had a stiff clutch, but its something you get used to. Unfortunately, recent knee injuries make it hard to enjoy it.


You would enjoy a stiff clutch :)

LOL

thebigjimsho
10-17-08, 04:22 PM
Don't worry, my legs aren't terribly long, either. My problem is I'm a 31" inseam and I rarely find pants that are just right. Either just a bit long or just a bit short. But since I wear suits most of the time, no worries.

Nice Bimmer, BTDubs...

Night Wolf
10-17-08, 05:00 PM
I noticed that too. You used to be pudgy like me. Okay, not quite that big.

Every late 80s/early 90s BMW I've driven has had a stiff clutch, but its something you get used to. Unfortunately, recent knee injuries make it hard to enjoy it.

More odd then the firm clutch pedal to me is the firm throttle.... The '88 325iC I went to look at in ATL (but didn't even bother driving it) and the '92 318iC (but to a slightly lesser extent) had a firm throttle pedal... moving the throttle body manually it's very easy to move, I guess it's just the way it's setup.... I actually don't mind it tho and enjoy the positive feel.

I've heard that installing a clutch stop and short shifter greatly improve the driving dynamics of the car, so they may ne on the list.... I want to do more reasearch and see if the trans is supposed to be kinda notchy the way it is or not.

Heh, after being used to driving the Bimmer.... the poor Zu feels like I'm driving a sick dog, it really does... I mean for daily town driving it's ok, but running wide open... yeah. Ah well, makes me look forward to Noelle that much more :)

RightTurn
10-17-08, 06:30 PM
Niiiiiiice!! :thumbsup: Sweet deal, too.

Destroyer
10-17-08, 09:20 PM
You done good Rick and welcome to the world of German engineering. I have never owned a BMW but I have had Mercedes and Porsche products and absolutely loved them. Always liked that body style BMW and I am a long time lover of convertibles. You will do well man, I respect your sense of money, a trait not common amongst people your age or mine and beyond for that matter. Anybody can go buy a new $50k car and make payments and sell it for nothing. Not smart, you see it and will be all the better for it!. Good luck with that 'vert. You will never want a hard top again. :thumbsup:

Night Wolf
10-18-08, 01:52 AM
You done good Rick and welcome to the world of German engineering. I have never owned a BMW but I have had Mercedes and Porsche products and absolutely loved them. Always liked that body style BMW and I am a long time lover of convertibles. You will do well man, I respect your sense of money, a trait not common amongst people your age or mine and beyond for that matter. Anybody can go buy a new $50k car and make payments and sell it for nothing. Not smart, you see it and will be all the better for it!. Good luck with that 'vert. You will never want a hard top again. :thumbsup:

Thanks :)

Besides the E30, E46 and possibly E34/38? (90's 5 and 7 series) I'm really not into BMW all that much, none of the new stuff interests me, but this older stuff... man it's addicting. E30 is my favorite tho... hard to explain it just feels like a "drivers" car, something a gearhead would own. Now (just as tonight) when I talk with people and tell them I am into cars and they ask what I have, instead of saying Isuzu or Lincoln and getting an "oh..." in response, I mentioned the BMW and it's an oh wow... those are really nice. I like how much the car makes you involved with the whole act of driving, just a really nice car.

Already I can't get enough of the car, there is a definite difference overall to the way a German car is made, some things are better some worse. But, I suppose also the 3-series was the entry-level BMW at the time here, so some things should be expected. Some parts are expensive, but it seems to be built really well, most of all tho, I can work on it myself, so it really dosen't matter.

As for the money... yeah, "get out of debt, stay out of debt" About the only thing that I have since been thinking about if I didn't get the car, was the fact that the credit card would be paid off, canceled and cut up.... Yeah the wise thing would have been to do that and wait for the car later, but getting older now, they are harder to find, much less the exact colors and options I wanted, so I took it and ran.... it's one of the greatest things I've bought to date. Still though, atleast to me right now, $2,500 was a big deal, besides paying off the card, it would have been over 2/3 the cost of a new roof on the house, which it's going to need.... so it was a decsion based on want over need.

I dunno, I really need to see if the Town Car gets used... it hasn't even been started in the last week, and honestly, I don't have the desire to drive it... in comparison it's "boring" to drive... but it's not the cars fault, thats what it was made for, if anything it is me that is changing. I really like the Town Car though (as a car, not the same as Noelle) and put so much work into it, so I need to see. My thoughts on why I would keep the Town Car was for if it was really cold or really raining... but the E30 will pump out large amounts of heat, not to mention actually has heated seats (well once I fix them) so cold isn't a big deal, and it's only cold 2 months of the year here... and, although the car is noisy with the top up (dosen't bother me) driving it in the rain is no biggie at all, but the top does leak a bit as it dosen't seal around the windsheild frame correctly... once thats fixed and it dosen't leak in the rain, I will have no problem driving it in the rain.... which leaves me with the questions... not only why would I keep the Town Car, but when would I use it? If I had a garage to park it in... out of sight out of mind, then maybe it would be different... Roadtrip/highway use wise, which is what the Town Car is used for, the only real advantage over the BMW would be more room (for people in the back, front is fine) more luggage space and... well, I dunno, maybe slightly more confortable? The BMW is pretty darn comfy with those seats. I gotta see tho, maybe in a month from now the newness of it all will wear off and I'll decide to keep the Lincoln, maybe not... but I just can't help but think that with the money I get from selling it, would just bring me that much closer to being out of debt.... then I wouldn't feel bad about buying the BMW instead of paying off the card (since I would get more for the Lincoln then I paid for the BMW)

Ah well.. but, yeah... convertible is just awesome. What really get me set on one is the fact that I just like the wind blowing and hardly ever use A/C... in the Town Car I would have all 4 windows down and even that wasn't enough, and with the older convertibles having a steeper windsheild then newer ones, it really gives you the open air feeling. I sat in a ~'03 convertible Mustang at the dealer and the top of the windsheild kinda came up to right above your head.... I didn't like that for the open air feeling.

Now I just gotta meet a girl.... this is just about one of the best cars for 2 people to throw a couple overnight bags in the trunk and hit the road for a short notice weekend getaway :)

Playdrv4me
10-18-08, 05:02 AM
Thanks :)

Besides the E30, E46 and possibly E34/38? (90's 5 and 7 series) I'm really not into BMW all that much, none of the new stuff interests me, but this older stuff... man it's addicting. E30 is my favorite tho... hard to explain it just feels like a "drivers" car, something a gearhead would own. Now (just as tonight) when I talk with people and tell them I am into cars and they ask what I have, instead of saying Isuzu or Lincoln and getting an "oh..." in response, I mentioned the BMW and it's an oh wow... those are really nice. I like how much the car makes you involved with the whole act of driving, just a really nice car.

Already I can't get enough of the car, there is a definite difference overall to the way a German car is made, some things are better some worse. But, I suppose also the 3-series was the entry-level BMW at the time here, so some things should be expected. Some parts are expensive, but it seems to be built really well, most of all tho, I can work on it myself, so it really dosen't matter.

As for the money... yeah, "get out of debt, stay out of debt" About the only thing that I have since been thinking about if I didn't get the car, was the fact that the credit card would be paid off, canceled and cut up.... Yeah the wise thing would have been to do that and wait for the car later, but getting older now, they are harder to find, much less the exact colors and options I wanted, so I took it and ran.... it's one of the greatest things I've bought to date. Still though, atleast to me right now, $2,500 was a big deal, besides paying off the card, it would have been over 2/3 the cost of a new roof on the house, which it's going to need.... so it was a decsion based on want over need.

I dunno, I really need to see if the Town Car gets used... it hasn't even been started in the last week, and honestly, I don't have the desire to drive it... in comparison it's "boring" to drive... but it's not the cars fault, thats what it was made for, if anything it is me that is changing. I really like the Town Car though (as a car, not the same as Noelle) and put so much work into it, so I need to see. My thoughts on why I would keep the Town Car was for if it was really cold or really raining... but the E30 will pump out large amounts of heat, not to mention actually has heated seats (well once I fix them) so cold isn't a big deal, and it's only cold 2 months of the year here... and, although the car is noisy with the top up (dosen't bother me) driving it in the rain is no biggie at all, but the top does leak a bit as it dosen't seal around the windsheild frame correctly... once thats fixed and it dosen't leak in the rain, I will have no problem driving it in the rain.... which leaves me with the questions... not only why would I keep the Town Car, but when would I use it? If I had a garage to park it in... out of sight out of mind, then maybe it would be different... Roadtrip/highway use wise, which is what the Town Car is used for, the only real advantage over the BMW would be more room (for people in the back, front is fine) more luggage space and... well, I dunno, maybe slightly more confortable? The BMW is pretty darn comfy with those seats. I gotta see tho, maybe in a month from now the newness of it all will wear off and I'll decide to keep the Lincoln, maybe not... but I just can't help but think that with the money I get from selling it, would just bring me that much closer to being out of debt.... then I wouldn't feel bad about buying the BMW instead of paying off the card (since I would get more for the Lincoln then I paid for the BMW)

Ah well.. but, yeah... convertible is just awesome. What really get me set on one is the fact that I just like the wind blowing and hardly ever use A/C... in the Town Car I would have all 4 windows down and even that wasn't enough, and with the older convertibles having a steeper windsheild then newer ones, it really gives you the open air feeling. I sat in a ~'03 convertible Mustang at the dealer and the top of the windsheild kinda came up to right above your head.... I didn't like that for the open air feeling.

Now I just gotta meet a girl.... this is just about one of the best cars for 2 people to throw a couple overnight bags in the trunk and hit the road for a short notice weekend getaway :)

Rick, let me or Jesda know if you ever decide to sell that Town Car. I'm looking for a car like that right now ironically enough and at least this way it can stay "in the family" ;)

I~LUV~Caddys8792
10-18-08, 10:11 AM
Now I just gotta meet a girl.... this is just about one of the best cars for 2 people to throw a couple overnight bags in the trunk and hit the road for a short notice weekend getaway :)

It won't be hard in that car. :thumbsup:

I was talking to a guy last night who has a 1984 633csi as a winter beater...270k miles, original 3.2L I-6, etc etc... Just like you say about your 3 Series, he says it's surprisingly fast for it's age and relatively small motor.

Night Wolf
10-18-08, 11:30 AM
Rick, let me or Jesda know if you ever decide to sell that Town Car. I'm looking for a car like that right now ironically enough and at least this way it can stay "in the family" ;)

Yeah, I would let ya'll know here first.... I dunno, it's just, if I sell it, to get something equal to it in the future would take alot of money, not a single door ding on it, no rust at all, every normal wear item has been replaced, all preventative maintenance has been done, and even though I put 23k on it in 1.5yrs, the 116k total still means it's got a lot left to go... then inside, I like the digital dash/column shift, factory JBL system that now has AUX input etc.... At the same time though, if it's simply not getting used then really, whats the point? In about 4 months from now I should have a good understanding either way as to whats going on with it.


I was talking to a guy last night who has a 1984 633csi as a winter beater...270k miles, original 3.2L I-6, etc etc... Just like you say about your 3 Series, he says it's surprisingly fast for it's age and relatively small motor.

I am really surprised with the power, but also the way it is delivered. This engine came out in 1976, but with the fuel injection added, was producing the power it is since the mid 80's.... and the sucker is pretty quick, I dunno, I think I'd say it would be faster then a similar 80's F-body or Mustang... I guess maybe because they weren't as popular at the time they kinda dipped under the radar. The convertible is also the heaviest, almost 3,100lbs curb weight... add in the 16.5gallons of gas, atleast one person and whatever else may be in the car and it's over 3,500lbs, which actually puts it at just around the same weight as my '89 Oldsmobile, and just a tad lighter then the '93 Coupe, but it's also got the least powerful engine (especially torque-wise) yet it's the fastest... maybe because it is a manual? but the gearing is just superb for the car.

Even though there is more torque then HP, the engine has good power all thru the rev band, it'll cruise at 1,500-2,000rpm fine and accelerate from that speed good, it can be daily driven, still accelerating faster then most cars without ever going above 3,000-3,500RPM.... but it likes to rev, first car I've had that likes to be in the mid and high RPM band, and it's fun to drive like that. Also the first car I've owned that starts to produce more power midway thru the rev band... as the revs are climbing ast 4,500 and beyond, you can actually feel it pulling you harder and harder. I'm used to the instant low-end torque thing, which on a large luxury car with and automatic, I prefer, even the Zu has the low end torque thing going on and dosen't like to rev much past midway on the revband. I dunno, lots of things with this car I really like that I used to [think] I wouldn't, glad I got to experience it. It's like 2 different worlds when driving the car, below 4k RPM and above, and it's still quick (to me) both ways, but after a while of normal driving if you open it up a bit it's refreshing to enjoy the newfound power again.

I think today I am going to start by taking out the passenger seat and see whats wrong with it, then change the trans and rear diff oil... it's kinda gloomy outside right now, but if it clears up and the sun starts shining, man I dunno if I'll be able to hold back on driving :)

I~LUV~Caddys8792
10-18-08, 01:05 PM
Rick, I'm so glad this car is as enjoyable as you had hoped it was gonna be.....maybe more so? I hope this'll provide you with a long time of enjoyable low maintenance driving....I have to wonder though, how your small German OHC I-6 compares with my small German DOHC I-6 in terms of feel and power delivery.

Night Wolf
10-18-08, 03:35 PM
Rick, I'm so glad this car is as enjoyable as you had hoped it was gonna be.....maybe more so? I hope this'll provide you with a long time of enjoyable low maintenance driving....I have to wonder though, how your small German OHC I-6 compares with my small German DOHC I-6 in terms of feel and power delivery.

Heh, I was thinking the same thing :) Your 3.2L seems large in comparison to my 2.5. I mean, really the Isuzu has a 2.6L I4, the Ford I6 used in the F-150's was 4.9L, twice the size.

What really amazes me is the level of performance and smoothness from this engine is the fact that there is nothing really extreme or fancy about it. About the most advanced thing on it would be the fuel injection. No variable anything, just a single cam. Heck just like the Isuzu, the valve lash needs to be adjusted as there are no hydraulic lifters. It's just a small, old school engine that works great... to me that just further adds to the whole gearhead feel about the car.

As for the car, it's better then I thought it would be, and thats with a worn out suspension. Once I rebuild the suspension on it I'm sure the newfound handling will be even more of a surprise. It's just hard to explain, I just like the entire feel and layout of the car more then any I've owned or driven. The car has alot of cosmetic issues and the electrical thing with the cluster, but I am still pretty amazed at how solid the mechanics of it are.

I still need to get used to driving a low car, I've already bottomed it out on 2 speed bumps (even crawling over them) may also be in part to the worn out struts, but I dunno, when I go to do the suspesnion I was going to put lowering springs in it (not a lot) but I gotta see... I'm not used to having to be careful over bumps or hitting curbs and stuff... especially driving the Zu.

Today I put a half pint of seafoam in the crankcase before I drove into town to pick stuff up, got oil and a filter for the engine, oil for the transmission and oil for the rear axle as well as a new fuel filter, so I'm gonna do all that now, maybe try and fix the seat afterwords. The guy I bought it from said the shop replaced spark plugs and put new old wires on (I guess due to price of new ones?) so that'll wait until I decide to replace cap/rotor/wires/plugs which will be almost $300!

Destroyer
10-18-08, 09:25 PM
I think I'd say it would be faster then a similar 80's F-body or Mustang... No it wouldn't be faster than a TPI F-body or a 5.0 Mustang. Not by a long shot. Fbody was a 14-15 second car depending on if it was a 305 or 350 and the Mustang was a low to mid 14 second car out of the box. It would be more inline with the V6 versions of the Fbody and Mustang.

I have driven a few BMW's like yours, convertibles included. I like the way they drove/handled and they do feel quick but they feel so in the lower rpms's and drop off in the higher rpms (from what I remember). It was like "hmm this feels pretty good" and just seconds later "where did the power go?".

Just keeping it real Rick, I've owned many 80's Fbody's and 5.0 Mustangs and never ever got beat by a 3 series BMW. Most 80's Porsches had a hard time keeping up with 5.0 Mustangs.

hueterm
10-19-08, 12:03 AM
Congrats! That is $2500 well spent. You'll kick yourself though, if you sell the Town Car. Just drive it once a week, and when you need the space. It will give you the flexibility to fix up the BMW later (like painting the engine, if you have to redo the top, whatever) and it goes out of commission.

Night Wolf
10-19-08, 12:36 AM
No it wouldn't be faster than a TPI F-body or a 5.0 Mustang. Not by a long shot. Fbody was a 14-15 second car depending on if it was a 305 or 350 and the Mustang was a low to mid 14 second car out of the box. It would be more inline with the V6 versions of the Fbody and Mustang.

I have driven a few BMW's like yours, convertibles included. I like the way they drove/handled and they do feel quick but they feel so in the lower rpms's and drop off in the higher rpms (from what I remember). It was like "hmm this feels pretty good" and just seconds later "where did the power go?".

Just keeping it real Rick, I've owned many 80's Fbody's and 5.0 Mustangs and never ever got beat by a 3 series BMW. Most 80's Porsches had a hard time keeping up with 5.0 Mustangs.

No problem :) I don't know about the TPI 350... I know in high school a friend of mine had a TPI 305 Camaro convertible, auto.... and my '93 Coupe was faster then that car both from a stop as well as from 50mph, and the BMW is faster then the Coupe.

The 5.0 Mustang was low-mid 14s stock? I didn't know that, I thought both a stock 80's F-body/Mustang were low 15s at best.

The 325 is a whole lot faster then atleast a V6 Mustang though... back when I had my '89 Oldsmobile Eighty Eight a guy in a 3.8 Mustang actually wanted to race me... not knowing what to expect I went for it... and walked away... the Olds ran a 16.9 :(

That's really odd you mention they felt quicker in the lower RPM then power dropped off... thats the exact oppisite of my car... weather 4 or 6cyl, it should be making more power as it revs... the only thing I can think of is maybe it was a 325e? that is the economy version which actually produces more torque (at a lower RPM) but a whole lot less HP.... you would notice by the tach as it redlined at 4,800 or 5,000RPM instead of the 6,600 of the i.....

Once I get her in better shape I'd like to take her to the track and see what she'll run... I am really interested now, maybe it feels alot faster then the numbers would say? I dunno... but the darn thing is just addicting to drive.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
10-19-08, 01:08 AM
Yeah, a TPI V8 Camaro/Firebird is a mid 14-low 15 second car, depending on whether or not it was the 305 or 350. They're pretty punchy, and quicker than any '80s BMW, aside from the M5. The TBI 305 powered F Bodies are pretty doggish though...like Rick said, low-mid 16's...so slower than the late '80s, early '90s 325s.

The beauty of the Bimmers is how well put together they feel....how the whole car acts as one piece and really excels in all areas.

hueterm
10-19-08, 01:13 AM
Is that body style of 3 the one that was the "template" for the new "1"?

It is THE yuppie car from the 80s though. I always did like the coupe "IS" version a lot. That was THE car to have when I was in high school.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
10-19-08, 01:17 AM
At work today, Saved By The Bell and B. H. 90210 was on TV. I must have seen fiften 3 Series of this vintage between the two shows....many of which were red convertibles.

hueterm
10-19-08, 01:20 AM
Proudly, I have never seen "Saved By The Bell", but I have been thinking the whole time (with a not insignificant amount of shame) about that being the "90210" car...

I~LUV~Caddys8792
10-19-08, 01:30 AM
There's not much on TV at 10:00 on a Saturday morning.....

Night Wolf
10-19-08, 02:20 AM
It seems like the TPI 350 is alot faster then the TBI 305 in the F-bodies.... never really delt with them much, seems like all you see around are the beat up 305's anymore.

Doing a google search to try and find out some 1/4 mile times would bring up all the "BMW's are not made for the dragstrip.... take it to auto-x" comments... even so, it would still be cool to know.

Heh, I'm going to have to watch some 90210 now...

Did some work today, still didn't get to fix the seat. After driving all over town with the seafoam in the crankcase, I came home and did an oil change, old oil wasn't that old but oh well. I used a Fram Tough Guard filter (not the cheap one) as they don't make the Purolator PueONE for this car, only the basic one, then the others were the pricey Mobil1/K&N. Oil of choice is Mobil Delvac 15W-40... actually according to the manual, my temp range calls for 20W-50... kinda thick to me, plus the Delvac is awesome, so I'll be using that. A new drain plug gasket to finish and I was good to go. Oil change on the car is pretty easy, not too much of a mess and oil filter is in a good enough location.

Then I figured I would change the trans oil, manual says SAE80 gear oil or as an alternative SAE20/30/40 motor oil, I used SAE30, nothing fancy just regular dino oil, only takes about 1.5qts. Old oil looked like old oil, nothing out of the normal, magnetic drain plug had common mush on it, so that was cleaned, trans was serviced and plugs put back in. While under the car I felt the shifter linkage, it is pretty sloppy, from what i've read, the trans needs to be dropped to replace the shifter bushings. I don't think it needs to be unbolted from the engine, just the rear crossmember and driveshaft removed and lower it a bit, if thats all, then I'll probably change them out soon.

After that I wanted to change the rear diff oil, manual calls for SAE90 weight, after driving all thru town to find stright 90 weight gear oil, finally got some at Napa, not a common name, made in USA... ah well it's gear oil. Drained the axle and refilled it. I also picked up a new fuel filter, so I put that in. The old one was a BMW filter, I could still blow thru it a little so it wasn't as bad as others I've changed, weather it's original or not, I dunno... atleast it's changed though.

Driving the car... trans seems to shift a tad smoother, still notchy tho, maybe new shifter bushings will help, maybe not... it does shift better tho, maybe it's just the way they are made.

With the exception of a few quick peeks when I picked the car up, today was the first time I really spent some time underneath Noelle.... With the exception of the various dents/dings and clearcoat on the fender, this car is really in good shape, underbody looks great, no rust on the car. It really is amazing how well Southern cars last.... in the North cars just rust out, which is why I had to sell the '89 Oldsmobile. It looks as if the lower control arms have been replaced, or atleast the balljoints in them, as the balljoint is newer looking and has newer hardware, however the bushing says BMW, so it is either original or was replaced with OEM parts. Also looks to have had the clutch slave cylinder replaced as it too is newer looking and the nuts are slightly rounded. The bolts for the transmission all look like they were removed in the past... I wonder if the clutch was replaced? dunno. As for damage report, the front sway bar links will need to be replaced also, left one seems ok but the right one is shot, it moves in my hand, only like $35/each and they are the joint type, not bad. Balljoints and rubber bushings look good, outter tierod ends have worn out boots so I may just go ahead and replace the outter tierods when I am in there next. Front struts are totally shot, some part of the mount or bumper or something is kinda broken off from the top of them... they really need to be replaced. The brake lining wear sensor on the left front wheel was rubbing against the wheel as it came loose at some point, one of the wires is broken and the other is almost gone... ah well I'll replace that when I am in there some day. On the back right wheel is some sensor unplugged and tied up, maybe wheel speed or ABS? I dunno, didn't really spend any time with it today I'll have to check it out sometime. Oh, also on a good note, where I thought the body was dented from the spare tire jack... turns out that is the normal part of the body, I was happy to see that as it's one less thing wrong.

Noelle getting a little check-up

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/InoventionsEast/BMW/10-18-08/10-18-08001.jpg

New power steering hoses... total of 3 of them were replaced, kinda like little freebies, so I'm glad.

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/InoventionsEast/BMW/10-18-08/10-18-08003.jpg

3 new belts too... not the biggest deal but, another less thing to worry about.

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/InoventionsEast/BMW/10-18-08/10-18-08005.jpg

First time I ever bought a Fram oil filter for any car I've had... hopefully the toughguards are better then their cheap ones. Easy enough to get to...actually the inline enigne makes things somewhat easy to get to... it's sort of a slant-6 as the block is cantered a bit and not stright up and down. I will say, all the welds look very clean and well done... in comparison to the Town Car which looks like someone used a TIG welder for the first time.

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/InoventionsEast/BMW/10-18-08/10-18-08009.jpg

Never seen a control arm like this, it has a body mounted bushing on the aft side and a body mounted ball joint on the forward side with an outter baljoint on the wheel hub side. I can't tell if the control arm is original or now, I know just like the Town Car, you can get a new control arm with bushing and balljoints already, or get them seperately and put them in the existing arm. Balljoints look replaced and I can't see anything wrong with the bushings, so maybe they have been replaced. All motor and transmission mounts look good too. Sway bar end link right there looks easy enough to get to, so that shouldn't bee too hard to replace.

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/InoventionsEast/BMW/10-18-08/10-18-08010.jpg

May be hard to tell from the pic, but the balljoint stud and nut look newer

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/InoventionsEast/BMW/10-18-08/10-18-08008.jpg

Can't really see it int he pic, but the outter balljoint looks newer too... however the boot on the tierod end is torn up.

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/InoventionsEast/BMW/10-18-08/10-18-08011.jpg

Slave cylinder looks newer and hardware looks like it's been removed in the past...

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/InoventionsEast/BMW/10-18-08/10-18-08013.jpg

Underbody of the whole car is in good shape... about the only rust anywhere is that on the heat sheild of the cat.

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rockin' the 14's. I suppose the up side to a small tire size is that new performance tires in this size are like $65/each.

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/InoventionsEast/BMW/10-18-08/10-18-08021.jpg

Nothing too extreme here... you can see the brake lining sensor wire coming out from the caliper, one of the wires is long gone tho... all it did was light up the brake lining light on the dash to alert you the pads need to be changed. Pads look to have some life left, musta been replaced in the past.

I notice most all things on the car and underbody have a very neat apperance to them, just kept in order and stuff. I'm impressed by the overall clean condition of the underbody for being almost 20yrs old and sort of a daily driver.

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/InoventionsEast/BMW/10-18-08/10-18-08022.jpg

I'm not sure if this the proper way to use the jack, it really didn't look all that stable (hence the jackstand) but.. ah well, floor jack is still under the house and I wasn't crawling under there to get it. Besides the 5 big door dings and 5 smaller door dings on the drivers side, this would be the rest of the body damage on this side. The lower part of the fender (black part) is dented in, tho you really can't notice it even when standing next to it. Then on the front of the door, along the black molding there is a small denter above and below the trim that is kinda hard to see in this picture but in others you can see it. Can also kinda see the part of the rockers that is bent where the jack locations are that I thought was from misuse of the jack, but is just the way the car is made.

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/InoventionsEast/BMW/10-18-08/10-18-08027.jpg

Cliff8928
10-19-08, 03:47 AM
Sweet, is it a convertible? For me, the E30 is just pure awesomeness, I wouldn't mind trying the Benz either, but I dunno, something about the E30 can't explain it... heck it's the same feeling that first drew me to them, but then ontop of all the E30's of the world, there is "my" E30, and that is something that is in a class by itself, atleast for me.

I guess the R129 SL to me is like the E30 is to you. I always wanted a 300SL 5-speed, nobody could understand why I'd want a 6-cyl benz with a stick. It does have some unique whiz-bang features though.

Here's some pics from when I picked it up. The hard top is off now, and it has some wheels from a '97 and a new-style grille.

http://home.comcast.net/~cliff_scott/sl/sl.html

Destroyer
10-19-08, 09:49 AM
Yeah, a TPI V8 Camaro/Firebird is a mid 14-low 15 second car, depending on whether or not it was the 305 or 350. They're pretty punchy, and quicker than any '80s BMW, aside from the M5. The TBI 305 powered F Bodies are pretty doggish though...like Rick said, low-mid 16's...so slower than the late '80s, early '90s 325s.

The beauty of the Bimmers is how well put together they feel....how the whole car acts as one piece and really excels in all areas.And the 5.0 Mustangs were quicker than the TPI 305's and 350's but if ya didn't shift right or take off without spinning the wheels the 350 Irocs would pull ahead. 305 TBI were and still are slugs.

Your assesment of the Bimmer is right on, it was a better built car than the musclecars and offered a different kind of fun and feeling when behind the wheel.

Destroyer
10-19-08, 09:51 AM
I guess the R129 SL to me is like the E30 is to you. I always wanted a 300SL 5-speed, nobody could understand why I'd want a 6-cyl benz with a stick. It does have some unique whiz-bang features though.

Here's some pics from when I picked it up. The hard top is off now, and it has some wheels from a '97 and a new-style grille.

http://home.comcast.net/~cliff_scott/sl/sl.htmlI LOVE that car!. Pretty rare and it must be a lot more fun with a manual transmission. :cool:

Destroyer
10-19-08, 09:59 AM
No problem :)
That's really odd you mention they felt quicker in the lower RPM then power dropped off... thats the exact oppisite of my car... weather 4 or 6cyl, it should be making more power as it revs... the only thing I can think of is maybe it was a 325e? that is the economy version which actually produces more torque (at a lower RPM) but a whole lot less HP.... you would notice by the tach as it redlined at 4,800 or 5,000RPM instead of the 6,600 of the i.....

Once I get her in better shape I'd like to take her to the track and see what she'll run... I am really interested now, maybe it feels alot faster then the numbers would say? I dunno... but the darn thing is just addicting to drive.The few I drove may very well have been 325e models. I cant remember if the redlines were 4800 rpm or 5000 rpms as it has been at least 10 years. I do remember liking the way they drove though. Good cars.:thumbsup:

I~LUV~Caddys8792
10-19-08, 12:59 PM
I guess the R129 SL to me is like the E30 is to you. I always wanted a 300SL 5-speed, nobody could understand why I'd want a 6-cyl benz with a stick. It does have some unique whiz-bang features though.

Here's some pics from when I picked it up. The hard top is off now, and it has some wheels from a '97 and a new-style grille.

http://home.comcast.net/~cliff_scott/sl/sl.html (http://home.comcast.net/%7Ecliff_scott/sl/sl.html)

It's very rare to see an R129 with the six cylinder, especially one with the stick shift! Didn't they only offer the R 129 with the manual from like 1991-93 or so? I LOVE that darker shade of tan in yours...I wish they offered that on the S Class past 1994, I'd kill for that color.


And the 5.0 Mustangs were quicker than the TPI 305's and 350's but if ya didn't shift right or take off without spinning the wheels the 350 Irocs would pull ahead. 305 TBI were and still are slugs.

You're not kidding! I had to look it up, but the post 1987 5.0 Mustangs are as quick or quicker than the TPI 350 F Bodies!


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Oh and I should mention that all of this talk of old Bimmers has aroused my interest again. I've been looking at the old 6 Series cars from the '80s on ebay and stuff...just to learn about them and see what they were like...interesting cars. And the E32 7 Series and E34 5 Series are timeless, especially the 5 Series. I certainly wouldn't kick a nice 525 out of my garage!

Night Wolf
10-19-08, 02:59 PM
That Benz sure is nice! I agree with the I6/manual trans combo... everyone I've seen is an auto, manual would be the only way for me... that is pretty darn clean though.

I am excited to get the suspension on Noelle replaced... even now with trashed sway bar end links and struts it is still fun in the turns, but I can tell it's worn and am not pusing it too hard... the handling just feels like a big go-kart, I know I've heard that before, I suppose I just didn't understand the full effect of it, but just a very tossible car and so easy to keep speed up in turns. I am sure once the suspension is addressed it's going to seem like a whole new car... From what I've been reading, E30's can be setup to outhandle E36/46 M3's, I don't want anything too crazy, if I am going thru the trouble I'd like to replace the springs, not a lot lower, but just a little, then of course new struts/shocks all the way around.

The power is really ncie though, not overwhelming, but for what it is, there is plenty there, which I think also makes driving it that much more fun, it really involves you. I've been getting 20/21mpg around town and various mixed driving too... thats several WOT runs too, not racing it around but defintily not granny speed either.... overall I'm impressed.

The neighbor has a Fox body Mustang, I think a '90, not sure... hatchback GT, he said he has some basic things done to it, been repaited a pearl white.... it looks really good, everytime I see it Vanilla Ice plays in my mind... he said somethign about picking up an LX (I think) Coupe and possibly selling off the GT, if it was a convertible I woulda been all over it, still nice to see one around not all beat up.

Destroyer
10-19-08, 08:35 PM
You're not kidding! I had to look it up, but the post 1987 5.0 Mustangs are as quick or quicker than the TPI 350 F Bodies!


The quickest fbody's of the 80's were the stripped out Formula 350's. Weighed less than comparable Iroc, not much but still enough to be a bit quicker. I'm not looking this stuff up, those were the days I was into those cars in a big way. I had 2 5.0 Mustangs in the 80's: an '87 GT and an '88 GT vert which I had running low 12's. I even ran the car in the Mustang/Grand National shootouts at Englishtown NJ. The 80's had 2 cars that had all the respect: the Buick Grand National and the Mustang 5.0. The Irocs were known as "Italian retard out cruising", lol and the Trans Ams never garnered much attention. The whole mullet thing didn't come forth till those cars aged. The C4 Vettes of the 80's may have been faster on the top end but would more often than not lose street racing against a 5.0. The Mustang LX coupes were the quickest of the Mustangs and the GT vert were the slowest. This applies to 5spd manual cars, the automatics in stock configuration were about 1 second slower in 1/4 mile times. The AOD tranny of those years sucked!

Cliff8928
10-20-08, 03:09 AM
I LOVE that car!. Pretty rare and it must be a lot more fun with a manual transmission. :cool:

It's actually amazing how fun it is for how darn slow the thing is. 228HP and a 4010 # curb weight. It helps the experience that there is no OD, but the fuel economy is not that great (15/21). Took a while to get used to first gear being left and down.


It's very rare to see an R129 with the six cylinder, especially one with the stick shift! Didn't they only offer the R 129 with the manual from like 1991-93 or so? I LOVE that darker shade of tan in yours...I wish they offered that on the S Class past 1994, I'd kill for that color.

Yeah, it was a rare find. Even stranger is that it lived it's whole life in the city of Chicago. The stick was from 90-93 (only in the 300, not the 320 which came out in 94). The interior color is called Palamino.


That Benz sure is nice! I agree with the I6/manual trans combo... everyone I've seen is an auto, manual would be the only way for me... that is pretty darn clean though.

I am excited to get the suspension on Noelle replaced...

Thanks, the SL has 65k miles on it. There were some city "battle-scars" on it, but they're not THAT visible, mostly the bottom of the bumper and a couple missing splash shields. The hood was keyed and the grille is bent in the pics, but those problems have been fixed. Also the shifter bushings were worn much like yours, but these are serviceable right under the car. It is however the smoothest running car I've ever had.

One good thing about doing your suspension work on Noelle there is that it's fairly easy. My brother had a '90 325i that I did the shocks and struts on and it was a fairly easy DIY in the driveway. Just make sure you get the gland nuts on the struts nice and tight. Oh, and think about some HD Bilstiens if you like the handling. I've always had good luck with Foreign Car Parts of Groton (http://www.fcpgroton.com/) for all my import parts.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
10-20-08, 12:35 PM
Yeah, them big heavy Benzes with that little 3.0 or 3.2L I-6 weren't the fastest, but they're more than adequate for any normal requirements, and can be pretty swift at certain speeds. Mine really opens up above 80...it feels like it's been given a second wind, but full throttle acceleration at any speed between about 40 and 70 isn't the greatest.

Night Wolf
10-20-08, 04:37 PM
One good thing about doing your suspension work on Noelle there is that it's fairly easy. My brother had a '90 325i that I did the shocks and struts on and it was a fairly easy DIY in the driveway. Just make sure you get the gland nuts on the struts nice and tight. Oh, and think about some HD Bilstiens if you like the handling. I've always had good luck with Foreign Car Parts of Groton (http://www.fcpgroton.com/) for all my import parts.

Yeah, that is why I am going to wait and do it right. I could get Moneroe struts from Advance for $50 each but everyone says no to them, to either get Bilstien or Koni, and a full set of 4 are right around $400... I figure if I am going to go thru all that time and money, then I may as well upgrade the springs too, as these are now 20 years old, get something a little stiffer and slightly lower stance, and a set of springs seems to be around $300.... so it'll be a little while until that happens, I will be replacing both from sway bar end links soon though.

Update from yesterday.... I removed the passenger seat and fixed some of it... I have never seen a seat in a car so complex, that darn thing has gears, cables, slides, pushrods, levers, gas struts and more all over the thing to control the movements. It is fixed enough to where it dosen't look totally messed up, now moves forward and back and the recline part works, but some of the gears seem off or stripped or something, I gotta see. Also, I saw the wire on the car for the heated seat, but was unable to find where it plugs into, I don't know if the seats were replaced in the past or the wire was cut or what... ah well, I can always get aftermarket heated seat pads, add them then wire them into the factory wiring/switch.

Night Wolf
10-20-08, 04:39 PM
Yeah, them big heavy Benzes with that little 3.0 or 3.2L I-6 weren't the fastest, but they're more than adequate for any normal requirements, and can be pretty swift at certain speeds. Mine really opens up above 80...it feels like it's been given a second wind, but full throttle acceleration at any speed between about 40 and 70 isn't the greatest.

Still had to be faster then the '81 300D (I5, no turbo) that ran on jet fuel that a past co-worker used to have..... he thought it was the slowest car possible, until we saw a 240D in the junkyard.... same thing, but 4cyl.

96Fleetwood
10-20-08, 06:20 PM
I agree. Bilstein sports + H&R springs... or H&R coilovers if you want to put in a suspension that costs more than the car.

I had Bilstein/H&Rs on my Porsche and Bilsteins/Eibachs on my Passat. Both cars were daily drivers during the week and AutoX queens on the weekend.

MauiV
10-20-08, 07:36 PM
Im eventually going to get a 89 Turbo T/A with the Buick 3.8l. I had a Formula 350 in HS till it got wrapped around some rednecks El Camino that swerved out in front of me on a neighborhood street. You can probably find a beat up one in that $7000 range but a stored one goes for $30k+

IMO, since 1970 Pontiac F bodies look WAY better than their Chevy counterpart and have better interiors. Plus a screaming chicken never came on oa Camaro!!

Night Wolf
10-20-08, 08:28 PM
I agree. Bilstein sports + H&R springs... or H&R coilovers if you want to put in a suspension that costs more than the car.

I had Bilstein/H&Rs on my Porsche and Bilsteins/Eibachs on my Passat. Both cars were daily drivers during the week and AutoX queens on the weekend.

Yeah, alot of the guys say Bilstein sports for shocks, some say Koni is better. Eibach will probably be the way I go, they make a nice spring set that lowers the car a tad while also giving it a slight rake... I think it lowers 1.5" front and .75" rear. I don't want to go any lower, I'm just not used to driving a low vehicle and roads around here have bumps, lots of rail road crossings and speed bumps in parking lots etc...

I took the Lincoln into town, I've had stuff in the trunk to give to GoodWill for a while now.. finally did. Man it's only been a week and a half since I drove it and it was like a whole different experience.... I'll be glad to say though, that it isn't going anywhere. It means too much to me and I've put too much work into it for what I would end up selling it for, so it'll stay.

Benzilla
10-20-08, 08:49 PM
Good to hear, I knew you'd miss the Town Car after a while. It's like we talked about... you remember why you have them. Man, it's hardly been a week and Noelle is already doing better. Up here's turned into fall very sharply in the last week, I'm glad I got the work done that I did on the Brougham before the weather changed.

Dude, do you ever answer your cell? I've tried to call you like three times!

later,

Ben

Night Wolf
10-20-08, 09:16 PM
Good to hear, I knew you'd miss the Town Car after a while. It's like we talked about... you remember why you have them. Man, it's hardly been a week and Noelle is already doing better. Up here's turned into fall very sharply in the last week, I'm glad I got the work done that I did on the Brougham before the weather changed.

Dude, do you ever answer your cell? I've tried to call you like three times!

later,

Ben

Yeah, I too am surprised how fast the thigns are getting fixed... just eariler I was saying to myself, yeah she needs alot of work... but then when I think about what's really left besides the cosmetic stuff, it's really not a big list, so I'm happy.

I can't stop driving the thing, in the day with the sun out it's ok, but Saturday night with the top down it was getting cold... had the heat going full blast...65 was ok... 62 was pushing it... by the time it said 60 I had to put the top up, well I stopped to get some food.... also when you called, otherwise I am not used ot getting phone calls so the phone either stays in the car or on me, but I don't hear it ring.

Really, the biggest things left would be to rebuild the instrument cluster, then the suspension, then it's little things. I thought I had more gas, but realized I did drive the car all weekend, but the low fuel light on the gas gauge came on, not sure if it was real or not I decided to fill up anyway, took 14.5gallons and it holds 16.5, so I guess it leaves a 2 gallon reserve, not bad... also good to know the low fuel light is seperate then the fuel gauge/range/liters remaining readings.

Took her out on my favorite driving road today.... mostly left her in 5th and just maintained aorund 80mph, hilly twistys, but several WOT runs either from a stop or to pass slower traffic, I reset the average MPG before I went and by the end of it I was averaging 22.6mpg.... not bad at all.

Cliff8928
10-21-08, 03:04 AM
Yeah, alot of the guys say Bilstein sports for shocks, some say Koni is better. Eibach will probably be the way I go, they make a nice spring set that lowers the car a tad while also giving it a slight rake... I think it lowers 1.5" front and .75" rear. I don't want to go any lower, I'm just not used to driving a low vehicle and roads around here have bumps, lots of rail road crossings and speed bumps in parking lots etc...

I've used both and they're very close in comparison. The Konis are nice when you can get the externally adjustable ones. But overall performance is similar.

Jesda
10-21-08, 05:49 AM
BMW's distance-to-empty display is frighteningly accurate. I was downtown in the convertible and went from 1 mile remaining to "--- ---", and after 20 feet I felt it sputtering as I barely made it to a gas station around the corner.

Night Wolf
10-21-08, 04:55 PM
BMW's distance-to-empty display is frighteningly accurate. I was downtown in the convertible and went from 1 mile remaining to "--- ---", and after 20 feet I felt it sputtering as I barely made it to a gas station around the corner.

Mine gives inaccurate readings, I don't know if it is because the cluster has problems or maybe a fuel sender? but it either shows like 293miles, 145 miles or 35 miles.... the gas gauge either dosen't work or goes to 5/8 tank or bounces back and fourth, pushing 1000 and 1 on the OBC puts it into a reading that shows you how much gas in the in the tank in liters, but when I do that it usually shows 43.5L.... then with no odomenter, I was just filling up at random times to not run out of gas.... except yesterday the fuel reserve light came on, since I never saw it come on before I figured maybe it's telling me something, sure enough there was only 2 gallons left, so atleast some sort of low fuel indication is working.

On the Lincoln, Ford chose to leave a little fudge factor, when distance to empty says 0, there is really 15-20 miles left... yeah it's pushing it, but man it's close.... once I got it down to 3 miles until empty and it took something like 19.2 gallons out of a 20 gallon tank

Night Wolf
11-09-08, 02:35 AM
Well it's been a little while... figure I'd update a bit...

I've had Noelle a month now? I dunno... everytime I drive the car I keep feeling like I just turned 16 and got my drivers license, very similar feeling to when I used to drive the Coupe around.

Shes getting great gas mileage too, I admit, I'm not driving easy, yet the average is always at 21mpg, throw in highway driving and it goes up to 24mpg.... steady highway driving at resonable speeds is atleast 26mpg... all on regular gas. Now that gas is $2/gallon (been 5yrs since I seen that... $1.97) I can fill up for less then $30!

Everything else around here has went on hold, because I am either driving the car, or working on it... which I usually need to pull myself away from driving it first.

I have fixed lots of things, I need to startup a log book, which I haven't done yet. I don't know if I'll remember it all, but the instrument cluster isn't all messed up like I thought, the faulty gas gauge readings was a bad fuel sender, and the temp gauge has a loose connection as when you tap it, it works. Half the backlights are out, but the bulbs are fine, I think there is a cold solder joint somewhere.

I installed a Pionner headunit in the car, I like it alot. While I had my tools out, I couldn't help but pull a spark plugs, wanted to see the condition and type... they were Bosch +4's, which I fondly dislike... looked older too. So I went and picked up a set of standard Autolite coppers, gapped them and put them in. Wires/cap/rotor are untouched as they are pricey. With the new plugs in, the is more responsive and feels more peppy, I noticed really soon that the exhaust note is just stronger overall, so I was happy.

Shocks/springs still need to be replaced, but I did replace both front sway bar end links. Both were trashed, balljoint part was shot. No more knocking noise going over bumps, and I am starting to get a taste of what an E30 handles like... man it is nice.

Oh, something neat.... the car has 3.73 Limited Slip Diff..... at first I thought it was dump luck, but after various, continous "tests" it does in fact have LSD.... which is totally cool... and fun.

I fixed the washer fluid thing, the passenger side nozzle wasn't working.... it rained one day and the car literally flodded... I thought the top was messed up, but it turns out I didn't have the alignment pin on the top where it meets the windsheild frame lined up correctly, you gotta play with it, but it'll go... it seals better now (actually seals) Still, I think the top and windows need to be adjusted, so I'll get around to it someday, for now I have a nice cover for the car that I put on it if it is going to rain.

Slowly, all the little problems the car had are vanishing... really the only main "driveable" issues right now are the worn shifter bushings and worn suspension. The shifter will be replaced with a short shifter at the time too. As for other quirks, the instrument cluster needs new odo gears and the lighting issue solved, at the same time I'll give it a little makeover.... then at some point I'll fix the A/C, but really thats about it besides the body stuff, I am quite surprised actually.

Today I bought new pinstripe tape, I just gotta remove all the stuff on it now, and I also bought a ding king, I've used one in the past and was happy with it, hopefully it'll address some of the dings and dents, but I still need to take it to a PDR person. Still keeping an eye out for a fender, not a priority though. Today's project was adjusting the valves and dressing up the engine a bit, I wanted to change the coolant, all the hoses and t-stat, but none of the hoses were in stock.

There are [lots] more I've done to the car, I just can't remember... seriously, on my free time when I am not working on the car, I am driving it... both yesterday and today I spent about 4hrs just driving around listening to my music... it's getting cooler now tho, in the day when it is 60's (sometimes 70's) with the sun out, top is defintily down, but at night it cools to the 50's and I can't do top down, even with heat. Still though, I am getting used to driving with the top up, it's not too bad either.

The stereo install went well, but took a while. I am very happy with the Pionner DEH-P7800MP, especially for the $80 I paid for it. I had to completely rewire the whole system. I also added a noise filter into the 12v to clean the power up a bit. All the speakers are still stock, and, I must say... talk about polishing a turd, thru all the settings and controls the Pionner has, the factory premium audio speakers (atleast the fronts, rears are junky) are sounding pretty darn good. I also wired up the XM, once I order the iPod control box, I'll get that installed and have the ipod in the glove box, which will be controlled via headunit.

Here are some pictures of the stereo install:

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/InoventionsEast/BMW/Stereo%20install/11-01-08001.jpg

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Finished product:

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/InoventionsEast/BMW/Stereo%20install/11-01-08018.jpg

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/InoventionsEast/BMW/Stereo%20install/10-04-08008.jpg

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/InoventionsEast/BMW/Stereo%20install/11-01-08033.jpg

Sway bar end links were easy enough to replace... no more knocking and shaking wheel over bumps, and the car actually sorta handles now.... man worn out shocks and shot sway bar end links... the car was really all over the place. It is cool getting to witness the car getting better with each repair instead of just buying a mint car... keeps it fun this way.

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/InoventionsEast/BMW/11-08-08/10-26-08027.jpg

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/InoventionsEast/BMW/11-08-08/10-26-08028.jpg

As for the fuel gauge, in the sending unit is a super thin wire the float makes contact with, the wire was broke on mine. I went to the local junkyard, out of the half-dozen E30's there (well used up) only 1 had the same sending unit as my car, but it was damged, the housing was bent and the float was cracked in half.... yet the wire was good. The idea was to unscrew the rod since the float is part of it, and screw the rod/float from mine onto it and be done... well that was fine except I set it on the ground, wasn't paying attening and stepped on it, which broke the rod off right where it screws in. As a last resort, I cut the fine wire off from the junkyard sending unit and JB Welded the ends to mine (after removing the wire) then installed it, to my surprise it worked... but no reading... hint: JB Weld is not for electrical connections.... so... attempt #2 with solder. Since the wire was shorter, I had to bend the mounting points for the wire up a bit.... but, I got it...

Much to my surprise, it actually works! The fuel gauge is very accurate, and now the range function on the OBC works too, I'm really happy with it.

When I first found out it could be the fuel sending unit, I was not looking forward to it, as on most GM cars, you gotta drop the tank.... but... fear not, BMW had some common sense and installed access plates under the rear seat for both fuel sending units... the gas gauge has a sending unit, but there is also a 2nd, seperate sending unit for the fuel reserve light (low fuel) thats pretty cool...

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/InoventionsEast/BMW/11-08-08/10-26-08002.jpg

mmmm gasoline

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/InoventionsEast/BMW/11-08-08/10-26-08003.jpg

This was rig attempt #1.... copper safety wire. It didn't work as the resistance was totally messed up, but atleast the gas gauge wasn't flying back and fourth anymore, out of the whole gauge there was about 1/5 movement from full to empty... it was like this for about a week. I actually didn't think my soldered wire onto sending unit was going to work so I didn't take pictures of that project... but... it's been fine.

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/InoventionsEast/BMW/11-08-08/10-26-08005.jpg

I was on an empty stretch of interstate.... and had to see what she could do... overall not too shabby for stock ~20 y.o [once] 170HP. She pulls pretty darn good in 4th all the way to redline at 120, and will cruise at 110 in 5th without much effort.... but I suppose with aerodynamics and such, 170hp can only push overdrive 5th so far, as I held it to the floor for a bit and she wouldn't get past 130, not bad tho, fastest I've ever driven a car, I must say it was a rush. Never hit a speed limiter, so thats cool. The top was up that night, another day with the top down I got the bug again, but she hung around 120 in 5th, not sure if that changes the drag at all or what.... either way, shes plenty fast as it is.... definitly impressed me, thats for sure.

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/InoventionsEast/BMW/11-08-08/11-01-08020.jpg

Night Wolf
11-09-08, 03:05 AM
So, todays project was to adjust the valves, I find this stuff fun...

But, first up was a stop at the Harley-Davidson dealer..... yeah the biker guys.... as someone on the BMW site put it, HD has been charging Ferrari prices for Model-T technology since.... well... forever.... and this $20 can of spray paint would be no exception:

New hood and trunk roundels are on the list, but on hold for now...American legend meets European legend for one purpose...

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/InoventionsEast/BMW/11-08-08/11-08-08001.jpg

As awesome as this engine is.... it really is nothing fancy, It's actually mind boggling that it has the same technology as the Isuzu 2.6, belt-driven SOHC, manual adjust valves, distrubutor and 8.8:1 compression... has MPFI tho... basically not high-tech at all, but.... I dunno something about that adds to the whole "classic roadster" feel. She's quite smooth and peppy tho.

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/InoventionsEast/BMW/11-08-08/11-08-08003.jpg

~20yrs old and 130k+ and I must say, she is pretty clean inside. I am running Mobil Delvac 15W-40, and half-pint of sea foam in the crank case before oil change, drive around a bit (I think thats what may have started to clean up some spots on the sides) but, pretty darn clean

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/InoventionsEast/BMW/11-08-08/11-08-08005.jpg

valve cover removed and cleaned with lacquer thinner:

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/InoventionsEast/BMW/11-08-08/11-08-08009.jpg

making progress with valve adjustment... overall pretty painless.

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/InoventionsEast/BMW/11-08-08/11-08-08016.jpg

they are adjused a bit different then the Zu, but the concept is still the same... I found it fun to do.

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/InoventionsEast/BMW/11-08-08/11-08-08017.jpg

had to modify the feeler gauge a bit to fit...

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/InoventionsEast/BMW/11-08-08/11-08-08022.jpg

So what did overpriced Harley spary paint do?

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/InoventionsEast/BMW/11-08-08/11-08-08019.jpg

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After seeing that, I then looked at the yucky intake manifold and had an idea.... and all was working well unit the battery for my cordless drill died... I'll finish it tomorrow and decide what I am doing with paint...

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/InoventionsEast/BMW/11-08-08/11-08-08026.jpg

But what are these for?

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almost....

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BAM!

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Now I started to rush it at the end, started out great, but it was getting dark fast, part of the sanding block hit the valve cover, so I decided to hit it again with paint, but tape off the raised area. Well, to clean the dust from sanding off I used some of the thinner on a rag, which started to wear the paint away, and since I cleaned between the ribs, it kinda thinned the paint a little. It's got it's blemishes that you can see when looking right up to it, but, but overall when you pop the hood and stand at fender distance, it looks fine. Not like the rest of the car is mint either, so I am happy.

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/InoventionsEast/BMW/11-08-08/11-08-08036.jpg

Night Wolf
11-09-08, 03:15 AM
Then it was really dark (gets dar around 5:45PM now) and the exterior lights of the house can only do so much... so it was finally time I got this thing... Had to drive all around town to find one that matched the car too! (not)

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/InoventionsEast/BMW/11-08-08/11-08-08037.jpg

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Man how nice it was to actually have light! This will be very handy. Also put off a little heat too, which was nice.

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/InoventionsEast/BMW/11-08-08/11-08-08040.jpg

I was thinking about leaving it at this point, but wanted to go a bit further...

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/InoventionsEast/BMW/11-08-08/11-08-08041.jpg

It was between 3 colors for the BMW letters, all GM colors. One was peweter metallic, then dark bronzemist metallic (nearly identical to my '93 Coupe's Slate bronze Metallic) then this light bronzemist metallic. I was going to get the dark bronze, but didn't think it would be different enough from the black, so I got the light.... personally it's alittle too close to gold and not close enough to peweter like I wanted, but it's ok, I like it and kinda lets it stand out a bit without looking bad. I then got the clear coat and brushed it on each raised rib to seal the aluminum so it wont tarnish with time, then I clearcoated the letters after the paint dried.

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/InoventionsEast/BMW/11-08-08/11-08-08043.jpg

Installed. I took my sanding wire wheel on the drill to all the valve cover nuts to clean them up, I was going to paint them light bronze to match the letters, but it would be too much work, so they are just cleaned up. I need to get black touch up and paint the area by the vac hose, I taped it off too far and the strip of aluminum is bothering me. As for the intake manifold, I want to finish with the wire wheel/cordless drill and see how it looks, then decide what to do with it. You can see the red 12ga wire for the head unit, that bothers me too, I didn't think to use the roll of black 12ga wire until after I already installed it... ah well, maybe I'll change it in the future. The ugly exhaust heat sheilds will be gone someday when I get headers for it, but for now, they stay... I may hit them with some hi-temp black or something to make them less ugly for the time being. But, most of all... after admiring the pretty valve cover, the dirt (cooked oil?) spark plug wire holder was really bothering me....

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/InoventionsEast/BMW/11-08-08/11-08-08048.jpg

So I cleaned the wire holder up.... now I may not be much into drawing and painting pictures.... but personally, I consider this art (must say it is making me want to clean up the whole engine bay.... intake is next)

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/InoventionsEast/BMW/11-08-08/11-08-08051.jpg

Like I said, it's got alot of blemishes... I admit, I rushed it (vs waiting until tomorrow) cause I wanted to drive the car tonight... ah well, maybe someday in the future I'll pick up a spare valve cover and do it over or something... but for a driver car, I think it's fine.

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/InoventionsEast/BMW/11-08-08/11-08-08053.jpg

As I think of what else I've done to the car I'll mention it... things are just slipping my mind tho... I can't say it enough... each time I drive the car I enjoy it more and more.... if someone set out to make the perfect "drivers" car, the E30 would be it... it is just such an awesome car to drive...

I~LUV~Caddys8792
11-09-08, 12:52 PM
I love that picture of you doing 130. I wish I took a picture the couple of times I had the S up to 125 and 132 mph.