: Clay bars are junk



bigREDfreshness
10-14-08, 04:17 PM
Before and After (doesn't matter which one is which SINCE THEY'RE THE SAME)

http://lh3.ggpht.com/Keifers.Patrick/SPT9jxRjhUI/AAAAAAAAAus/A_NXz4dSSzI/s800/Copy%20of%20IMG_3561.JPGhttp://lh6.ggpht.com/Keifers.Patrick/SPT9kPqte4I/AAAAAAAAAu0/RiZNTipX5uw/s800/Copy%20of%20IMG_3562.JPG

Forget about the swirl marks for a second and notice the gunk.
Those nasty splotches are a result of letting a healthy layer of dust get sprinkler-systemed.
The sprinklers here are pretty much reclaimed water (thanks a lot, desert), so not the cleanest water.
Add dirty water to layer of dust, multiply by long hot dry days in the desert sun, and you are left with the hideous stains that refuse to budge.

I sprayed, rubbed, sprayed, rubbed, sprayed, rubbed for 15 minutes on the one spot to get a good before/after, and came up completely empty-handed.
After three washings and a healthy claying, I'm stumped. Blah.

http://lh6.ggpht.com/Keifers.Patrick/SPT7ZOE5BeI/AAAAAAAAAuk/CKjFlW3iC5w/s288/poop.jpg = poop

Maybe Meguiar's is no match for Zaino, but it still didn't do a damn thing.
I can get rid of the swirl marks, but it's the gunky splotchy nightmare that haunts me when she's clean.
Is Zaino going to end my strife? Or is my paint "effed in the A"?

The Tony Show
10-14-08, 04:24 PM
Clay bars are only for removing surface contaminants such as overspray or rail dust. Those hard water stains may be etched into the clear, which will require a professional buffing.

lollygagger8
10-14-08, 04:28 PM
Your Clay Bars are junk statement is total blasphemy :lol:

Order Z-5 from Zaino. Clay bar isn't going to do what you need. You need to polish with Z-5 a couple times over.

stuckey
10-14-08, 04:31 PM
Your Clay Bars are junk statement is total blasphemy :lol:

Order Z-5 from Zaino. Clay bar isn't going to do what you need. You need to polish with Z-5 a couple times over.

Agreed clay bars are GREAT :thumbsup: for surface contaminents and such but not hard water stains. Get the Zaino stuff it works great!!!!!!!!

bigREDfreshness
10-14-08, 04:56 PM
Your Clay Bars are junk statement is total blasphemy :lol:

Oh, this I know. I just needed to stir the pot a little bit to get some guys in here that know their stuff.

SO, I've got the answers 'professional buffing' and 'Zaino Z-5'. I shall try the Zaino first. All these Zaino threads and you'd think I would have tried it by now. More before and afters to come...

ahahnu
10-14-08, 05:05 PM
Get an old car body part. Buy buffer. Practice on old p.o.s. to master your skill. Do your own car and save $ in the long run. You'll get rid of all that shizer on there.

CadzillaTN
10-14-08, 05:34 PM
what is that stuff in the spray bottle anyway? soapy water? I always run out. agreed with the others on stains..no good. but they do serve a good purpose otherwise

PISNUOFF
10-14-08, 05:43 PM
Oh, this I know. I just needed to stir the pot a little bit to get some guys in here that know their stuff.

SO, I've got the answers 'professional buffing' and 'Zaino Z-5'. I shall try the Zaino first. All these Zaino threads and you'd think I would have tried it by now. More before and afters to come...

Zaino will not cover up the etching. You need to buff the clear coat first. That is the only way to get rid of the etching and you can do it
yourself as it's not that difficult. Use an orbital polisher from Sears if your nervous about burning through the paint. Otherwise, be real
careful around any body lines or edges with a high speed buffer. If you do use the Zaino first and it doesn't work, which by the way
the inventor/owner says it won't, you'll need to remove it before buffing. Remove it with rubbing alcohol and then buff.

SoJersey05V
10-14-08, 05:57 PM
I clay my vehical every oil change, and the front bumper, glass, mirrors as needed in between...

you will need a nice polish, look at Zaino, Adams, Menzerna, Swissvax... all good stuff but you will def. need a polisher or high speed buffer to remove the stains...

also keep in mind that many water stains are differtent as to what type of minerals are in the water...

good luck and feel free to ask more!

Submariner409
10-14-08, 06:00 PM
Take the time to go to www.autogeek.net , get to their paint and clearcoat products, and read up on how to properly clean, polish, and seal a car finish.

Clay is a wonderful product, but it is only one fourth of the equation.

NormV
10-14-08, 06:12 PM
Those are mineral deposits. Mostly from well water or water out of the ground.

You need a random orbital buffer, mild clear coat rubbing compund. Wash with dish detergent and use cotton buffing pads. I'd use 3M clear coat rubbing compound and test a few areas to see how much pressure you'll need. That should remove everthing you would want, including cobb web scratches from washing.

Use fresh cotton pads and apply the wax of your choice. Just as good as sex, especially if applied by hand. :)


Norm

nxlr8
10-14-08, 06:35 PM
Get a Porter Cable 7424 polisher and your dreams will come true...

This is a MUST HAVE tool for a car guy/gal...

Check eBay for some great "package" deals...
For example:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250303258914
http://i10.ebayimg.com/04/i/000/a6/4c/9c17_1.JPG

urbanski
10-14-08, 06:53 PM
i can see myself burning a hole right down to the bondo on mine

NormV
10-14-08, 07:05 PM
Slick setup. Honestly you could pay someone to do it for that price. Personally I wouldn't spend over $50 for a complete setup, with juice. :)


Norm



Get a Porter Cable 7424 polisher and your dreams will come true...

This is a MUST HAVE tool for a car guy/gal...

Check eBay for some great "package" deals...
For example:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250303258914
http://i10.ebayimg.com/04/i/000/a6/4c/9c17_1.JPG

CIWS
10-14-08, 07:07 PM
Those hard water stains may be etched into the clear, which will require a professional buffing.

:yeah: Seriously dude, the claybar kits are to be given to the kids to make cute little animals out of while you are spending hours buffing and waxing. :D

http://hbml.org/fresh/wp-content/uploads/2006/10/doe.jpg

supernova_inc
10-14-08, 07:39 PM
I work in a body shop and every vehicle that has paint work is sent through for an orbital buff on the painted areas. This removees any of the imperfections in the paint and really bring sit to a nice shine. When we paint there is a thickness of clear that goes on and we generally have no issue with doing an orbital buff on these areas. When we get into the unpainted areas though it can be very tricky. I would definitly suggest on a used or salvaged piece of metal that is painted to hone your skills. I went back once(I am an estimator, not a repair man) and burnt the paint off a test panel in 1 minute. It doesn't take much to go right through the clear on your vehicle. If you have any place word of mouth is the best I would think. A good buff on the vehicle will make a huge difference on vehicles and will remove all those surface scratches along with the water spots. A bad buff job and you get to repaint!

Civardi
10-14-08, 08:38 PM
http://www.islandtitanz.net/CarCare/carcare.html

nxlr8
10-14-08, 10:50 PM
Slick setup. Honestly you could pay someone to do it for that price. Personally I wouldn't spend over $50 for a complete setup, with juice. :)
Norm

But you only have to buy the buffer ONCE... then you get to use it on all your cars, over and over...

One time deal... yeah, pay someone...
If you plan on doing it often (even once a year)... invest...

CIWS
10-15-08, 09:41 AM
But you only have to buy the buffer ONCE... then you get to use it on all your cars, over and over...

One time deal... yeah, pay someone...
If you plan on doing it often (even once a year)... invest...

No offense dude, but for once a year a detail with Zaino products costs 150.00. So for the price of all of that, it's about two years worth of ownership, and that's not counting the time investment as well. I'm not saying your solution isn't a good idea or worth posting, it was and thanks for the added info. But sometimes it can be more cost efficient all around to pay a detailer to do the "hard" stuff and leave the upkeep to myself.

MauiV
10-15-08, 10:34 AM
You need to polish/buff that.

Claybar is AWESOME.

Griots FTW!!! I use....

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w52/jdinmaui/11267.jpg

ahahnu
10-15-08, 11:11 AM
You need to polish/buff that.

Claybar is AWESOME.

Griots FTW!!! I use....




They make other cleaning products then this stuff?

MauiV
10-15-08, 11:16 AM
They make all kinds of stuff...

www.griotsgarage.com