: I spent a saturday with a Porsche club, and got to drive an '08 911 Carrera S.



I~LUV~Caddys8792
09-28-08, 12:32 PM
So last week my friend Dan calls me up, tells me that this Porsche club that he's a member of is having a race weekend up at Brainerd International Raceway....about 160 miles from home. He invites Brian and I, so we meet him up there yesterday morning. One of the main reasons we went is this "taste of the track" event they offered. In which we ride shotgun with an ex professional race car driver in their Porsche, around the track at speeds in excess of 150mph. BIR is a fairly technical racetrack...2.8 miles around, with a self inclosed 1/4 mile dragstrip. Well due to a lack of interest, the "taste of the track" event was cancelled, but it was still fun seeing Porsches of all different years and styles all in one place. The most commonly seen Porsche out there was the 944, many of them heavily modified and race ready, otherwise there were a lot of 911s of many generations, a few Caymans, a few Boxsters, and a couple of 914's. There were also two C6 Corvettes, a C5 Z06, a Panoz GTR and an Ariel Atom (never seen one of those in the US before).

Oh, and Dan offered to let us both drive his dad's '08 Carrera S around the grounds a little bit. Basically we drove it for a couple of minutes a piece, to get a feel for it and stuff, but due to the heavy speed restrictions around the grounds, we couldn't really open it up at all. ;) I have to say it's VERY nice. Throttle responce is instantaneous, the clutch is super tight and very firm (feels like a C6 Corvette, but perhaps a bit tighter) and the shifter linkage is beautiful...very, very precise and it has a more mechanical feeling than a Corvette. Same thing goes with the engine...it's hard to describe, but the feedback you get from the throttle pedal is just sublime..you can almost feel the mass of the crankshaft as it turns, and the pistons banging back and forth...yet it's very, very smooth. I didn't really have to brake from a high speed, so I can't comment on how they feel, but the steering is surgical scalpel precise. You point it somewhere and it's there before you're done turning...I'd have to say the best part of the car is how it feels as a whole...everything acts together to make you feel supremely confident in any sort of a high speed driving manuver..too bad I couldn't take it past 35mph. Not that it took very long to get there at all....it was very fast, the engine loved to rev and it pulled well from most any RPM in a clear, linear fashion, but you could definitely tell that it lacked the OHV V-8 torque that I'm used to in the Corvettes.

The fit and finish on the 997 was just fantastic, along with the luxury items it had. It had all of the major luxury amenities an S Class has, including carpeting on the lower door moldings and under the dashboard. The seats were covered in a fine leather, the dashboard was also covered in a contrasting color leather, there was rich velvet like carpeting everywhere, the headliner was alcantara...I think his must have been ordered with the full leather package....definitely nicer than it's American counterparts, but we're certainly improving. The coolest thing about his car I'd say was the "SPORT" button, which stiffens the ride, makes the exhaust louder and I believe it activates that spoiler that comes up at a certain speed, then lowers once you go below that speed. That was neat to watch on the highway. ;) Athough I must say that the rear seat room, namely the headroom, made my friend's 1991 Eagle Talon TSi feel like a Fleetwood Brougham.

Anyways, after yesterday, my admiration, appreciation and desire for Porsche has certainly risen. Maybe a late model 928 S4 is in the future?

I~LUV~Caddys8792
09-28-08, 12:41 PM
Pictures!

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/Porsche%20weekend%202008/PorscheweekendatBIR017.jpg
1978 911 Engine bay. Compared to Dan's 997, this is spacious!

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/Porsche%20weekend%202008/PorscheweekendatBIR018.jpg
Check out the tachometer on this one, this is from another late '70s 911.

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/Porsche%20weekend%202008/PorscheweekendatBIR019.jpg
A few 944's. A great looking Porsche. In the late model 944's, I see a hint of second generation RX-7, especially in the front clip.

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/Porsche%20weekend%202008/PorscheweekendatBIR020.jpg
This was off one of those late '80s 944's.

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/Porsche%20weekend%202008/PorscheweekendatBIR021.jpg
One of the best looking wheels ever, and look at those rotors! They're huge!

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/Porsche%20weekend%202008/PorscheweekendatBIR022.jpg
Gary, this is for you! What a machine! Between this and a brand new 911, I'd take this....mainly because I like the Front engine/RWD layout a lot more. Porsche needs another one of those...the 928 is too long gone.

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/Porsche%20weekend%202008/PorscheweekendatBIR023.jpg
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/Porsche%20weekend%202008/PorscheweekendatBIR024.jpg
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/Porsche%20weekend%202008/PorscheweekendatBIR025.jpg
More of the M3. I can honestly say that the E92 is IMO BMW's best looking coupe ever. Thank god Bangle didn't butcher this one!

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/Porsche%20weekend%202008/PorscheweekendatBIR026.jpg
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/Porsche%20weekend%202008/PorscheweekendatBIR027.jpg
996 Turbo, one of my favorite Porsches of all time.

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/Porsche%20weekend%202008/PorscheweekendatBIR028.jpg
This is out of a late '80s 944 turbo. This is one of the only times I've seen a longitudinally mounted I-4 take up an entire engine bay, but then again, it is a fairly large I-4, at 2.5L.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
09-28-08, 12:46 PM
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/Porsche%20weekend%202008/PorscheweekendatBIR030.jpg
Track time.

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/Porsche%20weekend%202008/PorscheweekendatBIR032.jpg
Long straightaway!

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/Porsche%20weekend%202008/PorscheweekendatBIR033.jpg
There's that little Ariel Atom.

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/Porsche%20weekend%202008/PorscheweekendatBIR034.jpg
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/Porsche%20weekend%202008/PorscheweekendatBIR035.jpg
Inside one of the barns.

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/Porsche%20weekend%202008/PorscheweekendatBIR036.jpg
The 968 is a fantastic looking car, especially the rear end...it's very 928ish.

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/Porsche%20weekend%202008/PorscheweekendatBIR037.jpg
The 968 and a couple of it's older siblings...944s.

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/Porsche%20weekend%202008/PorscheweekendatBIR038.jpg
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/Porsche%20weekend%202008/PorscheweekendatBIR039.jpg
Ariel Atom.

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/Porsche%20weekend%202008/PorscheweekendatBIR043.jpg
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/Porsche%20weekend%202008/PorscheweekendatBIR041.jpg
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/Porsche%20weekend%202008/PorscheweekendatBIR040.jpg
I wasn't lying when I said rear seat space is minimal.
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/Porsche%20weekend%202008/PorscheweekendatBIR044.jpg
Dan's 911.

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/Porsche%20weekend%202008/PorscheweekendatBIR045.jpg
I love the way these look.

blue07cts
09-28-08, 01:18 PM
:drool::drool::drool::drool::drool::drool::drool:: drool: OMG i would have LOVED to driven the S i'm totally jealous! looks like one hell of a weekend!

gary88
09-28-08, 02:12 PM
I loves me some Porsche, my favorite sports car manufacturer of all time :drool:

And holy crap that M3 has the brand new DCT gearbox! Never seen that before.

Destroyer
09-28-08, 02:45 PM
Now that looked like a good time!. I'll always have a soft spot for Porsche's, especially 928's. Consider it the "Cadillac of Porsche's".

orconn
09-28-08, 03:00 PM
I second the 928! But then I'm not a real Porsche fan. Sounds like a great outing.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
09-28-08, 03:59 PM
Oh I should mention that I "raced" Dan on the way home. It wasn't much of a race (he passed me at about 110 like I was standing still) but it was a good reason to get the old S320 up to a buck twenty-five. It was sure awesome seeing him pass me at those speeds, so effortlessly. Then he raced some crotch rocket later on and took it up to about 160...lol. I knew getting involved in that would be a waste of gas, so I hung back and caught up with 'em later.

96Fleetwood
09-28-08, 04:09 PM
Nice pics!

I miss both my 944 Turbo and S2. Great cars, just very expensive to maintain.

I have been bidding on Turbo S and 968 models lately. The Turbo S has more mod potential, but the 6 speed mated to the 3.0 liter I-4 w/variocam in the 968 is sexy.

Night Wolf
09-28-08, 05:05 PM
Looks like you had more fun on your Saturday... I was at work :(

The 80's 928/944? are growing on me, used to not like them, but slowly growing... someone was selling one that needed an engine around here for cheap.

ryannel2003
09-28-08, 07:41 PM
My boss has a '08 911 Turbo Cabriolet, and the word fast really doesn't describe it. It's black w/ red leather interior and yellow gauges... very nice mixture of colors. At only $151k, I'm gonna get 3!

Destroyer
09-28-08, 09:09 PM
Looks like you had more fun on your Saturday... I was at work :(

The 80's 928/944? are growing on me, used to not like them, but slowly growing... someone was selling one that needed an engine around here for cheap.I'm partial to the '78-'86 928's but love the '87-'94 models as well. Styling is strictly love it or hate it but it is distinctive and unique. I had an '85 928S, a very low mile example many years ago and loved it!. To this day it was probably my favorite car out of all that I have owned.

Jesda
09-28-08, 09:17 PM
Wow, nice! Was it a US-built Atom? Those are powered by a turbo Ecotec?

I~LUV~Caddys8792
09-28-08, 10:01 PM
As far as the Atom went, it said www.arielmotor.co.uk on the side of it, so I doubt it was american made or ecotec powered....I thought they had a Honda motor in 'em? That 2.0L DOHC VTEC out of the current Civic Si? Either way, it had a MN licence plate on it, so it's street legal, and it was the first time I saw one since I was in England in '03.

This weekend has got me looking at Porsches on eBay and stuff. I really like the 928's, especially the late model ones, but they're hard to find. The 944 and 968 is much easier to find, and probably cheaper/easier to maintain and own. Either way, buying any sort of a Porsche now would be financial suicide, so I'll just look for now. But after looking at these, and especially after riding and driving his '08 911, everything else seems cheap and not as well engineered. Like the other car may go as fast, but the steering isn't as precise, or the build quality isn't as good, or it doesn't have the same features, etc etc.

Well anyways I'm going to the local Porsche dealer tomorrow to kill some time and to pick up some brochures and stuff. Because if the car is out of your price league, the brochures (usually) aren't. lol.

90Brougham350
09-28-08, 11:02 PM
It was an awesome day. I'm still disappointed they canceled the taste of the track, but we showed up later in the morning and they'd only had 1 person earlier in the day interested in it, so they canceled it. I would have payed $100 for it, the track looked like so much fun to be on. I definitely have a new-found respect for Porsche, until now I've based my opinions of them on looks. But now that I've actually watched them fly around the track and driven one (albeit it 20 mph), I can see why they're so respected. I'll be going back in April to the next meet, that's for sure. Definitely one of the coolest things I've seen though, when we were going 110 and still accelerating and we got passed as though we were standing still. The fastest I've ever been was 140 but I know Dan was doing well above that.

Brian

Playdrv4me
09-29-08, 06:21 AM
I can honestly say that the E92 is IMO BMW's best looking coupe ever. Thank god Bangle didn't butcher this one!

Who are you?! :suspect:

I~LUV~Caddys8792
09-29-08, 11:51 AM
I am Chad, hater of the Bangles, lover of the E38. Who are you?

Playdrv4me
09-29-08, 12:04 PM
I am Chad, hater of the Bangles, lover of the E38. Who are you?

E92 is a beautiful coupe (the sedan is fugly) but there are so many convoluted shapes and angles everywhere... it may be good... REALLY good, but it can never outshine the aesthetically near-perfect E46. As a bonus, the E46 coupe ALSO looks good.

If that were not enough, the E30 Coupe and Convertible are right behind the E46... so the E92 has a few in line ahead of it.

Cadillacboy
09-29-08, 02:09 PM
Nice pics thanks

dirt_cheap_fleetwood
09-29-08, 03:38 PM
Man, I love the look of the 80's Porsches. The 944 (think I got that right) looked great and so did the 911 from that era.

Night Wolf
09-29-08, 04:21 PM
E92 is a beautiful coupe (the sedan is fugly) but there are so many convoluted shapes and angles everywhere... it may be good... REALLY good, but it can never outshine the aesthetically near-perfect E46. As a bonus, the E46 coupe ALSO looks good.

If that were not enough, the E30 Coupe and Convertible are right behind the E46... so the E92 has a few in line ahead of it.

As much as I prefer 2-door cars over 4, the E30 is just one of those cars that looks better in 4-door.... 2-door looks incomplete, rear windows do that pop out thing like minivans, almost kinda sorta looks like an 80's Nissan Sentra from the side, and even tho I would normally choose 2 door over 4, I would have to say for hardtop, 4-door looks better, lines seem to flow better it has a proper BMW look to it.

of course it looks best in convertbile, it's like the car was designed to be seen with the top down... all the time.... only.

As for the 80's Porsches, I never really gave much thought into them, don't know anything about them. To me, they always looked really cheap and I didn't like the styling, but, the styling is what is growing on me. They look alot like the other 80's sports cars, RX-7, Supra, Nissan thing etc...

I have been looking at 80's RX-7, the Wankle really interests me, too bad they weren't convertible, but finding one that isn't trashed, or modded to heck and for a fair price is really tough.

Heh, I thought about this thread the other day... and... was I the only one that finds it funny/odd/interesting that Chad reviewed a new Porsche, and it's drivetrain, engine power/smoothness, steering and handling none the less.... while not going above 35mph in a parking lot? lol, thats almost IH Cub Cadet speed... kinda got a chuckle outta that.

I will have to agree with the E30/46 as best looking BMW's.... for me, I can't say which is better, the E30 is stright up classic styling while the E46 is a whole lot more modern, both are probably the only BMWs that really spark my interest and since the E46 is out of my price range, and will be for some time to come, I'm keeping an eye out for E30s, plus they appeal to me in too many ways.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
09-29-08, 09:01 PM
The E30 and E46 are too square for me as a sport coupe. Aside from the 1992-02 Eldorado, W126 & W140, I like my sport coupes to have a bit of roundness to them. The E92 fits that bill perfectly. But, the E46 has those perfect proportions. For new sport coupes, the 3 Series and A5 are the tops!

Night Wolf
09-29-08, 09:52 PM
I don't know, I don't think "sports coupe" when I think E30 (or 46) in the case of the E30 vert I think topless awesomeness on four wheels....

http://i11.ebayimg.com/02/i/001/0a/10/b015_3.JPG

Sorta the same for E46....

http://i22.ebayimg.com/06/i/001/01/2e/704f_1.JPG

I~LUV~Caddys8792
09-29-08, 11:21 PM
Good point. They were never designed to be just a coupe, or sedan, or convert, but a wonderful melding of all three.

Cadillac Euro Parts
09-30-08, 08:24 AM
Wow I love those cars. I drove a 911/996 turbo a few times when I lived near Stuttgart, Germany. This car is sooooo powerfull.

mikes2nd
10-01-08, 10:32 AM
My 1992 3000gt vr-4 does all that "sport" stuff...

Puts the spoiler/front air dam on active aero, stiffens the suspension and opens up the exhaust :)

I can control all 3.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
10-01-08, 10:40 AM
I'm not gonna lie to you...

3000GT VR4's rock. Easily one of the coolest cars of the '90s.

gary88
10-01-08, 12:47 PM
:worship::worship::worship: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v222/gheb88/E46M3coupeexterior.jpg :worship::worship::worship:

MauiV
10-01-08, 01:13 PM
I am not a Bimmer fan, especially 3 series (chick cars IMO sans the M) but I would pimp the shit out of this....

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w52/jdinmaui/HB280_02.jpg

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w52/jdinmaui/HB280_01.jpg

IMO the best BMW's had the hood out over the bumber. I HATE the current designs and the 6 is the only current model that I like the looks of.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
10-01-08, 03:15 PM
As an overall package, the E46 M3 is an amazing car. But you cannot overlook the other excellent offerings that are as equally fast and as equally well balanced from that era from Japan, Germany and America.

http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//pictures/VEHICLE/1999/Mitsubishi/12689/1999.mitsubishi.3000gt.7887-E.jpg

http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//pictures/VEHICLE/1996/Toyota/12024/1996.toyota.supra.10175-E.jpg

http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//pictures/VEHICLE/1994/Nissan/12533/1994.nissan.300zx.8319-E.jpg

http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//pictures/VEHICLE/1995/Dodge/8977/1995.dodge.stealth.3267-E.jpg

http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//pictures/VEHICLE/1995/Porsche/1294/20223998-E.jpg

http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//pictures/VEHICLE/1994/Chevrolet/13604/1994.chevrolet.corvette.1882-E.jpg

They're all awesome, but I'm most partial to the VR4, Supra and 928.

Night Wolf
10-01-08, 04:48 PM
I am not a Bimmer fan, especially 3 series (chick cars IMO sans the M) but I would pimp the shit out of this....

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w52/jdinmaui/HB280_02.jpg

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w52/jdinmaui/HB280_01.jpg

IMO the best BMW's had the hood out over the bumber. I HATE the current designs and the 6 is the only current model that I like the looks of.

I like the hood over bumper thing too, along with the "leaning forward" grille (what Dodge is pushing so hard ont he new RAM and Charger) the E30 was one of the last to have those styling ques.... not the hood over bumper but the leaning forward part.... then it became lost...

ryannel2003
10-03-08, 01:34 PM
For anyone who cares, here is my bosses 911 Turbo:

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n46/ryannel2003/IMG_0418.jpg
http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n46/ryannel2003/IMG_0415.jpg
http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n46/ryannel2003/IMG_0420.jpg
http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n46/ryannel2003/IMG_0422.jpg

Oh btw, that is the garage where I work. Have 2 other guys that work back there, and one of them is who cleans the car. Unfortunately, I haven't driven it yet. :(

gary88
10-03-08, 01:50 PM
Automatic...... AUTOMATIC?

ryannel2003
10-03-08, 01:58 PM
Unfortunately. He said something about the Turbo w/ Manual being so unruly in town it wasn't worth the hassle. Plus if I ever get to drive it, I actually could. I have yet to learn how to drive a a stick shift. He's actually selling it and buying a 911 Turbo Coupe w/ manual. He buys 2 new Porsche's ever year and will sell them after 6 months. He also has an '06 XLR-V and new '08 STS V8.

Yeah, I hate him :D.

Playdrv4me
10-03-08, 07:14 PM
Automatic...... AUTOMATIC?

For the people.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
10-03-08, 07:35 PM
NICE! Rem reference.