: What the STS SHOULD have looked like.



Chopper9
06-16-04, 07:51 PM
Or at least the STS-V.

Brett
06-16-04, 08:16 PM
man, a ton of people already complain about the STS/CTS similarity, this may take it a little too far

majax
06-16-04, 08:59 PM
;) I just think someone is just getting use out of their photoshop software.

Chopper9
06-16-04, 09:25 PM
Well, I have to do it 8-10 hours a day for a paycheck... so this was just for fun. :)

I took the front end and side skirts of a CTS-V and blended it with a new STS. I looks great... and is what i want ... a bigger more luxurious CTS.

I love the art & science design of the CTS and think that the powers that be wussed out and didnt want to alienate the older buyers.

With the success of the CTS and the critical acclaim it has been getting in the press, I think it was an opportunity lost. This is a classic example of trying to appeal to 2 tastes and coming up short at both ends. Go all the way one way or the other GM!!!

I hope the V version looks alot more aggressive. We shall have to wait and see.

obaid
06-16-04, 10:02 PM
Well, i like it and like u hope that v version looks like it. IN the new car i hate the front most it. My father calls it stupid looking and i agree. Only if they have changed the grille.

Cadence
06-16-04, 10:07 PM
Chopper.......

You have nailed the look I was expecting.

:worship:



With that said, how come the wigs up top, and Lutz didn't see this in the '05 STS, when the origin of the current popularity of the STS, came from the aggressive look of the Seville from '92-'04? The older crowd weren't exactly buying up the STS the entire time. They were more likely Deville and Fleetwood owners during the same time. The Seville owners were from the "younger crowd", those that are (were) 30-40 yrs of age.

Something that happened along the way, that was interesting enough, was the way the STS attracted an even yonger crowd than originally expected. I became a fan of the STS by the age of 17. I know I wasn't alone out here. There had to be other fans of the STS that started out at a yonger age than 30, like myself. In a way, I feel alienated by Cadillac, in that they went "soft and less appealing" to those of us that have now entered thier 30's and still want to get their hands on a STS of their very own, like their parents had when they were younger.

To me, the image you originally project for the buyers in the begining, is the image you should maintain to the very end.

obaid
06-16-04, 10:36 PM
the 92 seville moved me and i was in my teens then, it would have been one of the greatest luxury sports sedans had it been an RWD. To me it was one of the best styled cars ever because styling matched with the soul of the car.
look how steeply raked pillars gave it an agressive stance and the bumpers styled to make the car lood as it is ready to pounce forward in a burst of acceleration. it was light at cadillac at the end of dark 80's. how much of a standout that car was at its time the new car would have done allright as an opel but cadillac i am amazed at their pluck

Caddy Man
06-16-04, 11:23 PM
i think ure gettin carried away :rolleyes2 THE STS IS NOT A CTS!!!!!1 as much as everyone wnats it to be a bigger CTS, IT IS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE. People need to get it through thier heads they are 2 diff cars, an S class Benz isnt a bigger C class, its compelty diff, it attracts a diff kind of buyer.

Vesicant
06-16-04, 11:33 PM
I also agree Caddy Man...


People think cars look like other cars because they have "simmular lines" or "simmular way the grille is". Doesnt cut it, just because the STS carries on the art and science theme doesnt mean it was meant to look like a CTS. The CTS just started the trend of sharp edges and deep cut lines. The designers just think that simple angled' off headlights work for each vehicles... look at every model Cadillac sells (except for the old design STS)... headlights are almost exactly the same way. Not to mention the grille and hood.


:rant2:

Jerome
06-17-04, 01:32 PM
way to go on the photoshop. Let's see some SRX-V's, Escalade-V's and XLR-V's. Cadillac needs to get all of them put out

Cadence
06-17-04, 05:31 PM
But the STS didn't start off as a seperate car altogether, it began life as a Seville. The '92 -'04 Seville's aggressive body style and the Northstar powerplant were litterally the 'One-Two punch' in Cadillac's line up during the 90's. When you saw the body, there was no doubt in your mind , that you knew what was under that hood. When somebody mentioned Northstar, the first name to pop up in a person's mind was the Seville STS. You just can't have one without the other!

They took the soul of the STS and forgotten the origin of the vesel which carried it and Cadillac back to the light. Fans of the STS aren't saying make it like the CTS at all, we're saying (at least the seemingly majority of us) you forgotten from which the STS came from, style wise.

The CTS and STS aren't the same, you're right. But the Seville STS was doing what the CTS is doing right now, before the Catera even became into being. So why alienate Seville owners from that era with this current body, and give the CTS the kind of body treatment, that the STS should have recieved?

Vesicant
06-17-04, 09:02 PM
I think(based from other comments :coolgleam) they should have gone a different direction with the STS... make it like it use to be, seperate from the pack. They tried doing this on the new one by making it unique electronic wise, but this doesnt cut it. I think this signifys a change in Cadillac planning for the STS. What is the STS going to be compared to? If the 5 series is already taken by the CTS which makes no sense because it should be compared to the 3.

Assuming ofcourse, its about competing with BMW.

To Cadillac: Make the STS unique again... :worship:

Chopper9
06-17-04, 09:33 PM
The only thing wrong with the new STS is... its not ART & SCIENCE enough.

Say what you will, but this CTS-esque design looks better than what is coming out.

The STS SHOULD be the balls of the line up, should it not? We all (well, most of us) love the CTS look... why not carry it over 100%? They did a little here, and a little there... but scewed it up by rounding this and rounding that.

What was the result?

It looks weak, instead of aggressive. Like my dads car. ... no offense dad.

;)

Caddy Man
06-18-04, 12:06 AM
The only thing wrong with the new STS is... its not ART & SCIENCE enough.

Say what you will, but this CTS-esque design looks better than what is coming out.

The STS SHOULD be the balls of the line up, should it not? We all (well, most of us) love the CTS look... why not carry it over 100%? They did a little here, and a little there... but scewed it up by rounding this and rounding that.

What was the result?

It looks weak, instead of aggressive. Like my dads car. ... no offense dad.

;)if you people like the CTS so damn much, why not just go buy a CTS!? :rolleyes2 there is no need to model every car after the CTS. I loved the 2003 model lineup, they had the DTS, CTS, escalade, STS and XLR (in 04) and each car was for a differnt type of buyer. The entire model line was diverse, every car was immediatly recongnizable as a cadillac, my DTS isnt art and sciince, yet a 2nd grader can tell its a cadillac. The cars were all cadillacs, but differnt in thier own special way. If u want the STS to look like a CTS, just buy a damn CTS. :rolleyes2

Chopper9
06-18-04, 01:30 AM
I love the CTS, but its too small for my taste.

Is that OK with YOU?

Cadence
06-18-04, 07:04 PM
if you people like the CTS so damn much, why not just go buy a CTS!? :rolleyes2 there is no need to model every car after the CTS. I loved the 2003 model lineup, they had the DTS, CTS, escalade, STS and XLR (in 04) and each car was for a differnt type of buyer. The entire model line was diverse, every car was immediatly recongnizable as a cadillac, my DTS isnt art and sciince, yet a 2nd grader can tell its a cadillac. The cars were all cadillacs, but differnt in thier own special way. If u want the STS to look like a CTS, just buy a damn CTS. :rolleyes2 Sorry Caddy man, that's not going to cut it. The CTS is a model of it's own. The problem here is, the STS should have gotten the treatment they gave the CTS. It should have been more agressively styled, not warmed over with rounded edges and such. The rounded edges took too much from the character that help made the STS what it was before the current model.

The DTS styling is about right. Not quite agressive, but the character of the car wasn't suppose to be in the first place. The DTS is a luxuary machine to the fullest extent, with few changes needed. When you see a DTS, you know what it's intent is, You know what it's purpose is in the lineup. Same with the CTS. The lines in the CTS says it's a sports car with few luxuary items.

But the STS......?

Is it okay if I ask you something here? I'm not trying to put you on the spot or anything like that, I just what to know what your opinion is. In fact, it's not just a question for you only, it's for the entire forum.

My question is: "When you see the current '05 STS, what kind of purpose do you feel it serves, as an everyday car?

To me, there just isn't any kind of emotional attachment to this car like there was with the '92-'04 Seville STS. There was a bond created for over ten years between the Seville STS and the owners/faithful followers. 10+ years of bonding with the STS, shouldn't be thrown out just because the heads in charge thinks the car needs a new direction all of a sudden. Changing the name is one thing, but taking away the original character of the car for more of a "low keyed, not so young anymore" (for the lack of a better way of putting it, without offending fellow posters here) approach.

I mean, come on, they took the '05 STS, and put it on prozac. I seen more character in upbeat senior citizens, than I do in this current interpetation of the STS. The lines in this new STS tell's me "older, wiser and no place to be right now", instead of "young, aggressive, and assertive". I'm not trying to say we need this STS to be like a Firehawk (IMO, the old F-bodies said "young, brash, and foolish").

The lines in the STS should say, "I'm in full control of my destiny and ready to go, right this minute". Chopper's version of the STS says just that IMO. Right now, I'm seeing "Not right now, I just don't feel like it today". Lutz and Co. seem to have felt that way instead because it's right there in the lines. It's the same with the interior for me as well, but that's probably a whole other thread to begin ;) .

obaid
06-18-04, 09:24 PM
chopper9 what about taking the 2005 seville and putting the 98 fleetwood's tailfins and skirts on and the grille of 94 deville.If u can find the time to do it plz do it i do not know photoshop or i would have done it.
that could be the new deville.

Vesicant
06-18-04, 09:36 PM
Candice, i realize you were asking caddy man this but...

My thought is that it looks like the same of a deville


Long, not racy looking and looks like a big car. When, the original STS looked racy, small and fun to drive...

Heck, it even looks slow... because of that long flowing body line.

Vesicant
06-18-04, 09:42 PM
http://www.kielsandandgravel.com/images/PASSENGER%20VEHICLES/01%20Cadillac%20Seville%20STS%207030/2002%20CADILLAC%20STS%201.jpg

Almost coupe like, great lines... small sporty looking ^^^

http://www.fast-autos.net/cadillac/sts4.jpg

Long sedan... non aggresive

Cadence
06-19-04, 06:13 PM
Aw man, just seeing those two pictures, brought a tear to my eye. Thanks for responding JefferyG.


I was looking at pictures of the STS from '89 to the current model and the more I looked at this new car, it started to remind me of another car, the Toyota Avalon/ Lexus 400. Showed a picture of the new STS to my dad, he was disappointed. Said it looked like a cross between the CTS and DeVille. He didn't like the shape too well, too long and the curves didn't help much. he saw Chopper's pic and loved it. It was moreless of what he was expecting as the new STS. Mind you, he's almost 50 yrs old. My mom liked the face of the car, but said that the rear end looked like my aunt's car. Guess what kind of car my aunt drives?

A Toyota Avalon.

So I guess it runs in the family :D .

I also notice how the wheels make the body look sluggish and heavy. Since when was the STS sluggish and heavy? :hmm:

Vesicant
06-19-04, 10:34 PM
I cant believe it, the 05 STS is actually shorter than the one before, and taller...but has a longer wheel base.

Look at the specs:

2004 Old STS
Wheelbase 112.2 in.
Front track 62.7 in.
Rear track 62.4 in.
Length 201 in.
Width 74.7 in.
Height 55.4 in.

2005 New STS
Wheelbase 116.4 in.
Front track 61.8 in.
Rear track 62.3 in.
Length 196.3 in.
Width 74.7 in.
Height 57.6 in.

It just looks freakishly long in the photos.. they tricked us again!