: 2009 CTS-V Sales Consultant Details pdf



razl
09-26-08, 04:13 PM
I've got a copy of the 2009 CTS-V Sales Consultant Details pdf. The first page has this:

"CTS-V Key Message: The Fastest Sedan in the World."


It's got lots of sales talk tracks plus specific point-by-point comparisons with the 08 IS-F, C63 AMG, E63 AMG, RS4, M3 and M5. Still, no pricing info.

Unfortunaetly, it's 1.0mb and I can't seem to upload more than a 300kb PDF. :banghead:

Here's hoping the boardops grant me some headroom, or someone else who has it can post for all!

Cadillac Tony
09-26-08, 04:31 PM
Hang on- fixing the images to be more legible.....stupid automatic resizing made some of them a little blurry, but it should be good now.

Cadillac Tony
09-26-08, 04:31 PM
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Cadillac Tony
09-26-08, 04:32 PM
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09-26-08, 04:32 PM
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Cadillac Tony
09-26-08, 04:33 PM
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Cadillac Tony
09-26-08, 04:58 PM
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razl
09-26-08, 05:18 PM
Thanks Tony!

(I almost had you beat - that would have been quite a coup!)

Cadillac Tony
09-26-08, 06:04 PM
Muhahahahahaaaaa! :lildevil:

atdeneve
09-26-08, 06:11 PM
Why didn't they use a 90 mm throttle body?

198 mph top speed with manual!

I'm pretty sure the brakes are 380 mm, not 370.

Cadillac Tony
09-26-08, 06:19 PM
It's funny how many little things have changed over the development of the car, and also how different printed materials differ on some features.

-The brochure says it'll have "Extended Mobility" (read: Runflat) tires, but our Sales Training guide doesn't.
-The car I sat in at NAIAS in Detroit (and every test mule I've seen) has a power tilt/telescope wheel, while the brochure says it's manual.
-I was told that they weren't limiting the top speed on either model, but now they're saying that the 175mph limit on the Auto is to limit the transmission output shaft speed.
-Black Ice was listed as a color in my original info packet, but has since been removed

.....and many others. It just goes to show that when it comes to options, until it's sitting on the lot you've got to take everything with a grain of salt.

jashearer
09-26-08, 09:19 PM
The new V really looks like a pig compared to its competitors... good thing it has the powa.

330toSRT8
09-26-08, 11:35 PM
Thanks razl and Tony for the great info.

SLPR 6.0L
09-27-08, 02:06 AM
Thanks.
It may be a little chunky, but it has comparable interior dimensions to E class and 5 series sedans.

HPCC
09-27-08, 07:17 AM
Wow, here it says the auto is only 33 lbs. heavier than the manual. Both are still several hundred pounds heavier than the competition though...

Back in the '60s, this would've been a feature--"that road-hugging weight." :D

MacOSR
09-27-08, 01:19 PM
"CTS-V Key Message: The Fastest Sedan in the World."


I would think that 203 (M5) is faster then 198 :tisk:

Also, the M5 tranny is not an auto with manual shift mode. It is a manual with an auto shift mode. Kinda surprised they would make these basic errors in this document.

Cadillac Tony
09-27-08, 01:32 PM
They're only errors if you define "fast" and "manual" a certain way. 0-60 is how most people define "fast": Show me a stock M5 that will do 0-60 in 4 seconds flat, and you can dispute their claim that the CTS-V is faster. :tisk: :D

As far as the manual/automatic nomenclature, I think most people other than real tech-heads would refer to a transmission without a clutch pedal or moving gear shift knob to be "manual". I imagine that their point was that the CTS-V offers a "true" manual with a clutch pedal and actual rowing of the gears for people who prefer that to "tapping" their way through the gears.

I knew when I posted this that someone was going to try and dispute some silly, minute detail. It's amazing how nitpicky people get when a Cadillac runs circles around their beloved imports. :lildevil:

Jpjr
09-27-08, 01:45 PM
They're only errors if you define "fast" and "manual" a certain way. 0-60 is how most people define "fast": Show me a stock M5 that will do 0-60 in 4 seconds flat, and you can dispute their claim that the CTS-V is faster. :tisk: :D

:lildevil:

Might be 'nit picking', but has anyone gotten a production V2 to 4 seconds yet?

Cadillac Tony
09-27-08, 01:52 PM
Actually, yes: Road & Track got a 3.9 out of the auto in their latest test.

LINK (http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=10&article_id=7113)

Jpjr
09-27-08, 02:47 PM
Actually, yes: Road & Track got a 3.9 out of the auto in their latest test.

LINK (http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=10&article_id=7113)

wow, that is a big jump from the tests a few weeks ago. those are not GM's numbers? wheewwwwww......

atdeneve
09-27-08, 03:03 PM
It's funny how many little things have changed over the development of the car, and also how different printed materials differ on some features.

-The brochure says it'll have "Extended Mobility" (read: Runflat) tires, but our Sales Training guide doesn't.
-The car I sat in at NAIAS in Detroit (and every test mule I've seen) has a power tilt/telescope wheel, while the brochure says it's manual.
-I was told that they weren't limiting the top speed on either model, but now they're saying that the 175mph limit on the Auto is to limit the transmission output shaft speed.
-Black Ice was listed as a color in my original info packet, but has since been removed

.....and many others. It just goes to show that when it comes to options, until it's sitting on the lot you've got to take everything with a grain of salt.

Yeah, that's what I was thinking, as well. A lot of conflicting information on some of the smaller details.


"CTS-V Key Message: The Fastest Sedan in the World."


I would think that 203 (M5) is faster then 198 :tisk:

Also, the M5 tranny is not an auto with manual shift mode. It is a manual with an auto shift mode. Kinda surprised they would make these basic errors in this document.

Yeah, when I read that part, my immediate reaction was also, "It's not an automatic." Oh well.

mfrazstsv
09-27-08, 03:28 PM
Thanks Tony and Razl for the great info. Is this a brochure available to be given out at a Cadillac dealership? Also, since the thread title mentions a PDF, is there a file that someone could post a link to?

Cadillac Tony
09-27-08, 05:47 PM
It's a sales training brochure that's only sent to Dealers. They put the .pdf file on the Dealer training web site, and also send us hard copies for the Salespeople.

Normally these books don't get seen by the public, so I'm half expecting to get a nasty phone call from GM telling me to pull it down :hide:.

jasaero
09-27-08, 05:56 PM
"CTS-V Key Message: The Fastest Sedan in the World."


I would think that 203 (M5) is faster then 198 :tisk:

Also, the M5 tranny is not an auto with manual shift mode. It is a manual with an auto shift mode. Kinda surprised they would make these basic errors in this document.

The M5 is limited to 155mph unless you have the resriction removed though.

To the layman any transmission that shifts automatically for you until you tell the car to let you shift is an Auto with a manual mode. To those more in the know on how the various modern transmission works that comment is silly, but it technically accurate. If you aren't talking about the technology behind different transmissions, any tranny that shifts itself is an auto in reality.

HiTechRV
09-27-08, 06:44 PM
Thanks for posting! As usual, it looks like they made a few small mistakes in the marketing literature - like "a low horsepower to weight ratio". It's a low pound per horsepower ratio. But great info none the less!

0-60 is a measure of how quick a car vs. how fast. top speed is usually the measure of fast, though track time can be as well. The CTS-V is clearly faster than the M5 on the ring, nso it is a legitimate claim.

Tony - are extended mobility tires run flats, or "all season" versions of summer performance tires? All season F1's don't exist, though the manufacturer claims they work in minimal snow and cold (blatant lie IMO).

MacOSR
09-27-08, 06:46 PM
They're only errors if you define "fast" and "manual" a certain way. 0-60 is how most people define "fast": Show me a stock M5 that will do 0-60 in 4 seconds flat, and you can dispute their claim that the CTS-V is faster. :tisk: :D

That would be a quicker 0-60, not faster. Faster is speed, Quicker is time :thumbsup:

I don't know if I would say that the CTS-V runs circles around an M5. If the V2 CTS-V doesn't have all the problems that the V1 did then it would be an option to the M5.


I knew when I posted this that someone was going to try and dispute some silly, minute detail. It's amazing how nitpicky people get when a Cadillac runs circles around their beloved imports. :lildevil:

You are barking up the wrong tree here. I also had an 04 CTS-V until about a year ago. It was my winter beater :) Had way too many warranty problems with it so I got rid of it. I hope Caddy has done it right this time and will stand behind their product. It would be a breath of fresh air and I would consider getting another V if it holds up.

I hope you don't use that "silly, minute detail" in a sales pitch: Because it is wrong! :bigroll:

jimbo1320
09-27-08, 09:16 PM
Thanks for the info Tony. According to some of the preliminary reports the auto or the standard was not a option so you could order ether at no extra cost like on the vettes. Oh well. Also the rear axle ratio may be 3.23 for the auto.
It also apears the option list is getting longer at least thats my thoughts. Guess the first gen came in basiclly one configuration so thats what I Kinda thought the new one would be like. I'll just have to order the works.
One thing I was hoping for was black Ice as a color.
Peace

BigFred
09-27-08, 11:53 PM
Man they do all the research for ya Tony, not bad. Makes me wonder how most salesman I deal with don't know any of this info about the cars they sell :helpless:.

Jpjr
09-28-08, 01:14 AM
Man they do all the research for ya Tony, not bad. Makes me wonder how most salesman I deal with don't know any of this info about the cars they sell :helpless:.

It does pay to be a step ahead now since customers have access to the internet. (Unless you are the blue genie lol)

jashearer
09-28-08, 03:31 PM
Thanks.
It may be a little chunky, but it has comparable interior dimensions to E class and 5 series sedans.

Which it still out pudges by 200 lbs each...

Superchargers are heavy...

Bigron
09-29-08, 03:25 PM
The last page with price comparisons is not loading.

FreddyG
10-07-08, 10:46 PM
Thank You for the info!

I saved it to a .pdf (Adobe Reader/Acrobat), so that it could be saved to your computer.

Please right click and save............... (https://home.comcast.net/~OnebadassC5/CTSV_Info.pdf)