: Went to Kansas City. Brought home a Cadillac.



Jesda
09-22-08, 02:25 AM
Roommate bought a 98 Cadillac Seville STS. 120k, head gaskets done a few years ago, two-owner car.

Best part? $2600! The guy originally had it listed for $4000, then $3000. Finally offered him $2600 and he agreed. We drove out to KC in the Escalade and drove the Seville home.

Repairs needed: PS pump noisy, oil leak, passenger door speaker, driver's heated seat, front strut. One fog light is out. Also has a dent in the rear wheel arch and the LED light bar is only half functional.

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Overall, a heck of a deal for what was basically weekend hooker and casino money. Will need a grand of various parts and labor, but that's typical for a used luxury car.

The drive home was fantastic. Averaged 23mpg and 60-100mph is frighteningly quick. It has an inexplicable command of the road, like a dominating feel over the highway. You feel connected but insulated, in control but cocooned. The balance between comfort and performance is perfect.

I suspect I may be stealing the keys to the Seville.

Jesda
09-22-08, 03:05 AM
I'm buying it from him. Now its mine.

caddycruiser
09-22-08, 06:27 AM
I'm buying it from him. Now its mine.

Hah, that was quick:thumbsup:

I'm typically not a fan...but sounds like a great deal, and a great car.

ryannel2003
09-22-08, 07:52 AM
Damn that car is beautiful. Black (and Crimson Red) were tied as my favorite Seville colors. For $2600, DAMN!

MauiV
09-22-08, 08:27 AM
Great find. I need to find the wife a car in this alley.

Florian
09-22-08, 09:37 AM
I gotta say that I miss that car ( I had one before my 04 CTSv) the most of all my previous rides. If not for the fact that it was FWD, I would consider that the best Caddy of my driving generation (80s to now). It was truly a comfortable ride with all the amenities you could ask for.
I miss my STS.


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I~LUV~Caddys8792
09-22-08, 11:00 AM
I'd have to say the 1998-03 STS is my favorite Cadillac ever, right now. It's been a long while since I've driven one, but I've ridden in a few, and I always loved the way they look, drive, perform and feel. We see a few in at work from time to time, for various reasons, and I'm always more than happy to run them through the washbay...just so I can spend some time in the driver's seat.

And for $2,600...what a friggin steal! I sold my '92 Sedan deVille, with 140k miles on it, in quite good condition, for a mere $900 less...dang.

ryannel2003
09-22-08, 11:07 AM
Chad if you let me borrow the Benz for a couple of days, I would let you drive my STS. As long as you didn't wreck it, you could drive it any way you wanted to! :D

I~LUV~Caddys8792
09-22-08, 11:08 AM
Alright, but you'll miss the power (of the STS).

ryannel2003
09-22-08, 11:16 AM
Hmm... true but I will gain a much more elegant and sophisticated vehicle. With a much nicer interior and better build quality by about 1000000000.

AMGoff
09-22-08, 11:33 AM
Overall, a heck of a deal for what was basically weekend hooker and casino money.

LOL! It's time like this I miss my Seville and the many late-night trips to AC we took together - workin' girls always love a Cadillac :thumbsup:

Either way... great find - I've always heard that about Kansas City... well, maybe not.. but I've always heard something about KC!

Playdrv4me
09-22-08, 01:18 PM
Hmm... true but I will gain a much more elegant and sophisticated vehicle. With a much nicer interior and better build quality by about 1000000000.

I do not know this better build quality of which you speak. I was able to comfortably hold my ipod nano in the gap between the dashboard and the glovebox door, it's like destiny designed it that way!

Jesda
09-22-08, 03:23 PM
I do not know this better build quality of which you speak. I was able to comfortably hold my ipod nano in the gap between the dashboard and the glovebox door, it's like destiny designed it that way!

He was talking about Chad's car.

gdwriter
09-22-08, 03:50 PM
Very nice acquisition to the fleet, Jesda (and a smokin' deal, too). I might look for something similar when it's time for a new car.

urbanski
09-22-08, 03:52 PM
:jesda: pic threads ftw

I~LUV~Caddys8792
09-22-08, 06:10 PM
I'm dying to know...does Careless Whisper sound better in the Escalade or the STS?

Playdrv4me
09-22-08, 06:33 PM
I'm dying to know...does Careless Whisper sound better in the Escalade or the STS?

STS by far.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
09-22-08, 06:44 PM
Trick question, Careless Whisper sounds amazing anywhere.

ryannel2003
09-22-08, 07:21 PM
I personally recommending listening to Celine Dion's "It's All Coming Back to Me Now" on the Ambiance DSP setting. It sends chills down my spine.

eyekandyboats.inc
09-22-08, 07:33 PM
how much did you buy it from off of him.
and why did he give it to you, now whats he gona drive?
what gives? LOL

gary88
09-22-08, 08:00 PM
Niceee :thumbsup:

I'm not sure if the older sevilles do this, but my favorite feature about my car is you don't have to hold the key to start it while it's cranking. Just turn the key enough to get it to start cranking, let go, and it does the rest :cloud9:

ryannel2003
09-22-08, 08:03 PM
I discovered that feature a month ago. Pretty kick ass, but I'm so used to doing it the old way I always forget it.

dirt_cheap_fleetwood
09-22-08, 10:36 PM
Jesda, good to see you back in a Caddy. I got you all beat, I can start my car WITHOUT the key. My ignition cylinder only locks if I turn it all the way back, but there is a position where I don't have to insert the key to start it. I can also take the key out while driving. BTW, I looked in the owners manual and it was supposed to do that, its not just because its old and worn.

ryannel2003
09-22-08, 10:42 PM
I eagerly await Jesda's review of the Seville. Especially the inevitable comparison between the '92 STS and this '98. Completely different vehicles in almost every way.

RightTurn
09-23-08, 08:09 PM
Nice. :thumbsup:

AlBundy
09-23-08, 09:31 PM
If Jesda can buy a N* caddy maybe there's hope for Destroyer.:eek::alchi:

dirt_cheap_fleetwood
09-23-08, 10:44 PM
If Jesda can buy a N* caddy maybe there's hope for Destroyer.:eek::alchi:

Nope. Can't see it ever happening. :)

CadillacSTS42005
09-23-08, 10:52 PM
I personally recommending listening to Celine Dion's "It's All Coming Back to Me Now" on the Ambiance DSP setting. It sends chills down my spine.

wrong
Phil Collins - In the Air Tonight or Tonight Tonight FTW

CadillacSTS42005
09-23-08, 10:54 PM
Niceee :thumbsup:

I'm not sure if the older sevilles do this, but my favorite feature about my car is you don't have to hold the key to start it while it's cranking. Just turn the key enough to get it to start cranking, let go, and it does the rest :cloud9:

00+
with the newer N*

I~LUV~Caddys8792
09-23-08, 10:54 PM
Wow, total "out of left field" suggestion from Jason. Nice! :thumbsup:

CadillacSTS42005
09-23-08, 10:54 PM
If Jesda can buy a N* caddy maybe there's hope for Destroyer.:eek::alchi:
Blasphemy

hyperboimmv
09-23-08, 11:59 PM
So, um.. is he gonna offer a review about the Seville yet? You can't tell me he hasn't been out driving it LOL...

I~LUV~Caddys8792
09-24-08, 12:04 AM
I'm also not so patiently waiting for a review from Jesda.

If he doesn't provide one, then damnit, I guess I'll have to go out and test drive one!

CadillacSTS42005
09-24-08, 12:15 AM
dont
youll hate yourself for buyn that block of sheet metal you currently drive
especially if you find one with Magride

hyperboimmv
09-24-08, 12:23 AM
German block of sheet metal, none the less :P Thats okay, I want a 2007 S550... It'd look nice sitting next to the 07 Black on black STS that I want too... LOL

Playdrv4me
09-24-08, 12:27 AM
dont
youll hate yourself for buyn that block of sheet metal you currently drive
especially if you find one with Magride

it's ON...

CadillacSTS42005
09-24-08, 12:31 AM
anyday you wanna play Play lets have at it lol
the ETC will outrun you less your running an AMG
the STS will out handle you lol

:lies::cookoo:

I~LUV~Caddys8792
09-24-08, 12:42 AM
dont
youll hate yourself for buyn that block of sheet metal you currently drive
especially if you find one with Magride

I've driven a few 98-03 STS's at work, and the only thing they have that I prefer over mine is the power/acceleration.....and the type of leather they use...it's softer, more pliable, and it smells nice. I honestly don't regret buying mine at all.....I only wish it was faster from time to time and I know that could be remedied with the Mosselman turbo kit...or a switch to the big V8 powered S500 or V-12 S600.

Playdrv4me
09-24-08, 03:40 AM
anyday you wanna play Play lets have at it lol
the ETC will outrun you less your running an AMG
the STS will out handle you lol

:lies::cookoo:

Oh, I meant it's on with Chad lol.

Destroyer
09-24-08, 07:22 AM
If Jesda can buy a N* caddy maybe there's hope for Destroyer.:eek::alchi:
I'd buy one again if it were dirt cheap. I'm talking $2500 or less. This way I could hope it would last a year or so without blowing a gasket. Best case scenerio it lasts a long time, worst case scenerio would be that it would last a little while. For $2500 I'd be happy getting a years use out of it. It'd have to be an STS like Jesda's or an '00-up Deville.

eyekandyboats.inc
09-24-08, 07:27 AM
i still am interested in how he got it off his friend?
maybe he told him all the bad things to get him to change his mind! LOL

ryannel2003
09-24-08, 08:08 AM
wrong
Phil Collins - In the Air Tonight or Tonight Tonight FTW

Booo!!!!! That song is lame. Very very lame.

CadillacSTS42005
09-24-08, 08:57 AM
rofl
and Its all coming back to me now is a real mans song lol

Destroyer
09-24-08, 09:07 AM
rofl
and Its all coming back to me now is a real mans song lolGood point!. Phil rocks, I even like the music he does for Disney. Loved Genesis back in the day. Good quality music.

hyperboimmv
09-24-08, 09:57 AM
TBH, I listened to a few Celine songs, including Its All Coming Back to Me Now, and I have to admit, she does sound pretty good. :hides:

Jesda
09-24-08, 10:54 AM
I almost got Ian's Crossfire. I think Celine would have been included in the rear hatch. Not sure if that's good or bad.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
09-24-08, 10:56 AM
The question is would Celine be alive or deceased?

Lord Cadillac
09-24-08, 12:45 PM
What a deal! The STS looks great! I've always wanted one of those...

Jesda
09-24-08, 02:39 PM
The interior build quality of the 98-03 is rather poor. Fortunately, the rest of the car holds together well. My 92 seemed like it was sturdier inside with better assembly, although it wasn't as comfortable and pleasant.

ryannel2003
09-24-08, 03:10 PM
Mine creaks and moans more than a Friday night whore... but it is attractive overall. I just don't like the Cavalier grade plastic on the door sills and areas of the dash.

As for Celine, she has a great voice. Sounds good on the system. :p And I'm man enough to admit i love shania twain. I have caught myself singing man i feel like a woman on several occasions.

gary88
09-24-08, 03:16 PM
I think the Seville build quality is pretty great, no squeaks or rattles on mine. It's not anywhere near an S-class, but better than the Escalade IMO.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
09-24-08, 03:21 PM
I love how soft the leather is in the 98-04 Sevilles. Granted, the build quality isn't impeccable, but there are a lot worse out there.

Jesda
09-24-08, 03:48 PM
I actually find the 04-06 Escalades to be a bit more solid and better built inside than the 98-03 Seville. The Escalade, like the LS400 and Q45, are of few vehicles where I sit there on a long trip and feel around touching all the surfaces. Seville however still feels nicer and looks prettier.

I need to reglue the ugly dashboard pad and buy a new steering wheel and shift knob.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
09-24-08, 03:56 PM
I'm VERY interested to hear how the STS compares to the '98 LS400 you had and your Q45.

orconn
09-24-08, 05:17 PM
The interior build quality of the 98-03 is rather poor. Fortunately, the rest of the car holds together well. My 92 seemed like it was sturdier inside with better assembly, although it wasn't as comfortable and pleasant.

I have both a '95 and a '02 Seville and I agree the build quality of the '02 is both visually cheaper looking and assembled with less care than either the '95 or the '93 (recently gotten rid of). As for comfort i like the earlier edition Seville better, but for handling the '02 is superior. Both the '93 and '95 seem faster than the '02. All in all, I prefer the 1995 model to the revamped '98 and newer. The older model seems more "classic" and timeless than the newer cars.

Destroyer
09-24-08, 09:07 PM
:p I'm man enough to admit i love shania twain. Me too, but on the TV with the volume muted!.

ryannel2003
09-24-08, 09:12 PM
Haha, I've gotten that response more than a few times.

Jesda
09-25-08, 02:10 AM
We just got done taking care of more build quality and age problems. I stuffed pieces of cardboard in around the edge of the sub to keep it from rattling, and a blown speaker was disconnected for a total of two disconnected speakers. Spent the last half hour just sitting there listening to MP3s. Impressive car.

Playdrv4me
09-25-08, 03:08 AM
This has got to be in the top FIVE of automotive sound systems ever. To add to what Jesda said, it is absolute fawkin amazing that BOTH of the front door speakers can be FULLY disconnected and it *STILL* sounds better than 90 percent of the cars on the planet!

Aron9000
09-25-08, 07:09 AM
This has got to be in the top FIVE of automotive sound systems ever. To add to what Jesda said, it is absolute fawkin amazing that BOTH of the front door speakers can be FULLY disconnected and it *STILL* sounds better than 90 percent of the cars on the planet!

I'm still of the opinion that factory stereos suck ass. I had a pretty badass stereo in my old 1999 Camaro Z28, Pioneer head unit. Boston SL65 6.5" componets(6.5" midbass driver, seperate tweeter), 6.5" coaxial speakers in the rear seats, 10" subwoofer in the hatch area, JL 300 watt 4 channel amp powering the front door spearkers and the sub. I think I spent around $700 for all this.

My damn car stereo blew away my home stereo in terms of sound quality and volume.


As a side note, I've never understood the appeal of the 92-03 Seville. Granted they look cool, but the quality is piss poor. I'll proudly claim my 91 Brougham was screwed together more carefully. The Northstar is a total piece of shit, some models have those really expensive shocks that cost $2,000 to replace, and all the cars I've seen have had the dash pad all warped, or the door panels all warped and messed up. The quality on the interior is about like a Caviler, with very nice leather and some cool gauges.

I'll even say that the junky interior on my 1999 Camaro Z28 at 116k miles looks nicer and has held up nicer than some of the Sevilles I've seen at similar mileage. Absoulety no warped or cracked dash, the leather still looks nice, no stains, steering wheel is mint, etc.

ryannel2003
09-25-08, 09:49 AM
Ian, is there a way to really solve the sub rattle? Mine has always had it, and on more upbeat songs it can be really annoying. Also, is there a true way to tell if a speaker is blown? I believe my driver's front door is gone, but I cannot really tell.

Playdrv4me
09-25-08, 11:22 AM
I'm still of the opinion that factory stereos suck ass. I had a pretty badass stereo in my old 1999 Camaro Z28, Pioneer head unit. Boston SL65 6.5" componets(6.5" midbass driver, seperate tweeter), 6.5" coaxial speakers in the rear seats, 10" subwoofer in the hatch area, JL 300 watt 4 channel amp powering the front door spearkers and the sub. I think I spent around $700 for all this.

My damn car stereo blew away my home stereo in terms of sound quality and volume.


As a side note, I've never understood the appeal of the 92-03 Seville. Granted they look cool, but the quality is piss poor. I'll proudly claim my 91 Brougham was screwed together more carefully. The Northstar is a total piece of shit, some models have those really expensive shocks that cost $2,000 to replace, and all the cars I've seen have had the dash pad all warped, or the door panels all warped and messed up. The quality on the interior is about like a Caviler, with very nice leather and some cool gauges.

I'll even say that the junky interior on my 1999 Camaro Z28 at 116k miles looks nicer and has held up nicer than some of the Sevilles I've seen at similar mileage. Absoulety no warped or cracked dash, the leather still looks nice, no stains, steering wheel is mint, etc.

The simple answer is really that the Seville has panache and class and is probably one of the best looking sedans ever produced, definitely the best ever by a domestic... a Camaro/F Body may hold up better, but they will FOREVER be associated with Mullets and have all the class and sophistication of an armadillo. I would not be caught dead driving one of those things in PERFECT condition and I'm known for liking some really strange cars. Even the 80s Fleetwood which I thoroughly respect and find quite pretty, still doesnt look much different from an Olds Regency or something of the same era. The '92 Seville was the first car in recent history that put Cadillac on par with the Germans and Japanese again after a long lineage of suck and falling from grace in the late '70s. The Northstar is, unfortunately, the one trade-off you have to make to get the amazing looks. I certainly won't argue that thing is a shit-heap of a motor.

As far as the audio is concerned, I was comparing it to factory systems. Sure you can throw in a whole wad of "thump" stuff into any car, but factory audio is pretty tough to get right, and this is one of the best out there. Not to mention half of that battle involves the accurate placement of the audio hardware in the car and proper equalization. If I wanted to replace the stock system with an aftermarket, the spekaers and tweeters are already in the best location in the Seville.

Playdrv4me
09-25-08, 12:22 PM
Ian, is there a way to really solve the sub rattle? Mine has always had it, and on more upbeat songs it can be really annoying. Also, is there a true way to tell if a speaker is blown? I believe my driver's front door is gone, but I cannot really tell.

That sub rattle can apparently come from about 15 different places. For example, there is a bracket under the rear deck that holds the trunk light and some weird electronic box that is plastic and can rattle like the dickens, or the wire grille on TOP of the sub can rattle, and finally... Jesda found that by sticking some cardboard pieces in strategic locations withIN the sub frame itSELF he was able to quiet 98 percent of the rattlyness.

Worst case scenario the sub itself is blown and you can tell this by running your fingers along the outside of the cone part where the foam and rubber surround is.. if you feel a cracking or break then it's busted.

Jesda
09-25-08, 02:20 PM
The 1992 Seville was the CTS of the 90s. It took the brand out of the past and gave it a future and introduced it to a whole new audience -- me!

Aron9000
09-25-08, 03:23 PM
The 1992 Seville was the CTS of the 90s. It took the brand out of the past and gave it a future and introduced it to a whole new audience -- me!

Same here, it was really different and I thought it was pretty cool car back when I was 15-16. Now that they have some age on them, I'm pretty much convinced the quality was piss poor, even compared to some other GM junkers like the Cavilier, fbody, and FWD Impala.

ryannel2003
09-25-08, 04:48 PM
I won't aruge that the '98-'04 Seville's are not particularly well built. Mine has all the famous little niggling issues: warped dash pad, broken armrest latch, blown speakers, annoying headrest rattles, uneven glovebox alignment, and those stupid little umbrella trays underneath the seats that always pop out.

On the outside, my passenger side headlight is fogged up and in dire need of replacement, my passenger side front door is uneven with the body of the car and probably needs to be realigned, some idiot who replaced the windshield didn't seal it well enough and now water leaks down the A-pillar and onto my lap. I had a massive trunk leak, but I fixed that with a new weatherstrip.

Yet... I wouldn't trade mine for anything in the world. I can honestly say the only car I would trade it for is an '08 STS V8 with the performance package and tuscany leather. Surprisingly, the motor itself has been well behaved and hasn't given me any trouble.

Of course, if you see a thread with me using many many obscenities, I probably just jinxed myself and something has blown up.

orconn
09-25-08, 05:34 PM
Same here, it was really different and I thought it was pretty cool car back when I was 15-16. Now that they have some age on them, I'm pretty much convinced the quality was piss poor, even compared to some other GM junkers like the Cavilier, fbody, and FWD Impala.

Folks in Nashville must really abuse their luxury cars, while taking extraordinary care of their Cavaliers and Impalas! To be honest, while the '92 to '97 or Even the '98 to '03 Sevilles build quality was not equal to the highline European and Japanese cars, your assessment of Cadillac's build quality make's one wonder if you have ever seen one that was properly taken care. Camaros interiors standup better ....... give me a break!!

Playdrv4me
09-25-08, 05:48 PM
I was thinking the exact same thing and was going to post the exact same response with a slightly different twist. It seems like people take better care of European and Japanese luxury cars overall because at each point in their lives they are more expensive to obtain, but a 20 year old anything that isn't well cared for looks like shit inside and out as far as I'm concerned.

ryannel2003
09-25-08, 06:12 PM
I've always thought along similar lines. There are many Seville's (or any Cadillac for that matter) that have been abused like hell. However, BMW's, Lexus, and Mercedes always looked cleaner and much better taken care of.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
09-25-08, 06:15 PM
And I cannot figure out why, but it seems as though the European cars always have more miles for the year than the American or Asian cars do. Like it's not hard to see a lot of 150k mile 1999 BMWs or Mercedes, but how often do you see a 150k mile 1999 Cadillac, Lincoln, Lexus or Acura? It almost makes me think that the odometers are a bit "fast" on the European cars....if ya know what I mean. :skeptical:

Playdrv4me
09-25-08, 06:17 PM
The Seville may be rough around the edges, but so long as he doesn't pull coolant nonsense we are willing to stick it out and give him whatever little fixes he needs. One low coolant message and it's gone though. I don't care if the rest of the car falls apart, but this bitch throws up a single low coolant warning and it's over! That's the kind of dedication only a car this special can get.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
09-25-08, 06:19 PM
Does it take the short tow truck to the dealer? :hide:


All kidding aside, how many 1998-04 Sevilles have you owned Ian? Like 6?

Playdrv4me
09-25-08, 06:20 PM
Does it take the short tow truck to the dealer? :hide:


All kidding aside, how many 1998-04 Sevilles have you owned Ian? Like 6?

This would be 5... :hide:

I love those stupid things.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
09-25-08, 06:30 PM
So 5 Sevilles, how many E46s? How many E38s? Does the E46 still hold the "most purchased" title?

Playdrv4me
09-25-08, 06:50 PM
So 5 Sevilles, how many E46s? How many E38s? Does the E46 still hold the "most purchased" title?

4 E46s, and 2 E38s.

Jesda
09-25-08, 07:00 PM
Ian has driven everything. He once drove a shopping cart home when his Hyundai died.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
09-25-08, 07:08 PM
How about a Daewoo? Ever owned one of those?

If the answer is yes, we're no longer friends.

orconn
09-25-08, 07:54 PM
And I cannot figure out why, but it seems as though the European cars always have more miles for the year than the American or Asian cars do. Like it's not hard to see a lot of 150k mile 1999 BMWs or Mercedes, but how often do you see a 150k mile 1999 Cadillac, Lincoln, Lexus or Acura? It almost makes me think that the odometers are a bit "fast" on the European cars....if ya know what I mean. :skeptical:

I have always maintained, that if you spent as much money to maintain your Cadillac (or Buick, or Chevy) as you are spending to maintain a Mercedes or BMW, the Cadillac would go as many miles and stand up as well as the Europeans. The truth is that many, if not most Cadillac buyers, think that a car should be traded when the odometer reaches 48,000 miles (back in the fifties and sixties this was the rule of thumb amongst people who bought new cars) and is still the thinking among most of the seniors who buy these cars new today. Thus the cars pass into the used car market at an earlier age and with lower mileage than their more prestigious European and Japanese counterparts. In the used marketplace, because of their low resale value they are now available to a different economic class of buyer ....... one not as able to pay for preventive and just plain maintenance to keep the car up. By the third owner we have a car owned by the guy who can barely afford transportation.

In the early days of foreign cars in this country you used to see Mercedes and Jaguars in pitiful condition, and if they were running at all were owned by students who could barely afford a used Ford much less a costly to maintain foreign car. This had a lot to do with the poor reputation for reliability that these cars had up through the eighties. Yes, Virginia, in those days Mercedes were known to be trouble prone and hard to keep running properly, not to mention European paint and real wood and leather interiors took a lot of work to keep viable and looking good. Then as now,middle class, non car nuts, didn't have time or the money to keep up their cars. So the cars past into "derelict" status pretty fast.

Today, the Europeans and lux Japanese cars are leased for longer periods,(have to pay down those first few years of depreciation) and then because of their prestige are purchased used by a higher income buyer who believes the cars resale value justifies maintaining the properly and low and behold he finds out, just as many members of this Forum have, that their cars will go a lot more miles than they thought they would. Or they fall into the trap of paying very high repair bills which make holding onto the car longer to amortize the cost of repairs advisable.

Night Wolf
09-25-08, 11:20 PM
I think across the board cars changed around 2000 from being well built and made to last to cramming the most junk in a car and making everything bigger etc...

Chad mentioned the 150k BMW/MB..... I would say most are 1999 or eariler, not only because they are older and higher mileage, but I really wouldn't put much trust in a new BMW, and especially M-B to hit 200k or 300k like the old tanks would.

80's MB just keep on going, same with BMW.... I'm looking at E30's and the mileage is really not important, they are across the board from 100k (rare) to 200k+ it all has to do with how they are maintained.

Especially the lower end Japaneese vehicles, noteably the basic trucks.... the Tacoma was a solid truck, but then with the '04? redesign they had to go and make it all biggerand stuff. My friend has a '98 Tacoma, super basic (used to be a pest control truck) it now has 248k miles on it and runs good. Try and find an 80's/early 90's Isuzu with anything less then 150k.... those suckers just keep on going, makes me excited to see how high I can get the odometer, it's at 139k now.

You don't see the small trucks like there were up to the 90's, Toyota, Nissan, Isuzu.... can't say as much for the Mitsu tho, but just a basic 4cyl truck that was reliable, kept on going and actually got good gas mileage, it is not uncommon for one of said trucks to get in the mid 20's MPG. Something about the very basic design and simplicity of such trucks just really, really appeals to me, which is why I like mine so much.

I like the Seville STS.... '98-'03 was always a personal favorite... who knows maybe some day in the future it would be a Town Car replacement, find one mint for cheap. Town Car should be good to go for a long time tho.

Bad thing tho, as was mentioned with resale value and way things are maintained, it's nearly impossible to find any of these old trucks kept up like a similar year luxury car... and in the rare cases that you do, they'll usually bring in more money then that same similar year luxury car.