: What other cars did/are you considering?



Boostin'
09-16-08, 06:47 PM
Hey everyone. Just signed up, but been doing a lot of reading here the last few days. Like a lot of you, I find myself in the pleasant (if mesmerizing *L*, hence this post) position of looking for a new premium performance sedan. There are no shortage of choices for such a ride, but I have narrowed it down some to the following group:

Cadillac CTS-V
AMG C63
BMW M3

The Cadillac is by far the hp champ of this group, but that of course does not tell the whole story of a car intended to be a daily driver, and not just a weekend toy. I've experience with AMG cars and have tested BMW M cars in the past and both companies make a very formidable overall package. But I think it is testament to Cadillac's new focus of competing directly with the Germans at their own game, that the new CTS-V is being taken seriously as a worthy competitor by a lot of potential customers who would never have given their cars a second thought previously, and all sight unseen! Other than the various articles/vids we've all seen.

My priorities are performance, both in a straight line and in handling. A car that can hit mid 12's (or better) in the quarter and still able to play on a roadcourse or a twisty back road (I enjoy the dragstrip and dabble in autox), without beating you to death while doing so. And as I get old(er), a decent load of creature comforts is also a must *L*.

So I would appreciate any input anyone who's just gone through the same decision making process(or still going through) has into why they made their own particular choice - CTSV or not.

P.S. I did recently have a loaded "regular" 2009 CTS out for an extensive test drive. Not for it's similar performance obviously, but just to get an overall feel for the car's size (I do prefer smaller cars and the CTS is admittendly on the outer limit of what I want there), built quality, interior appointments, etc. and came away very impressed with those aspects of the car.

dqw1
09-16-08, 07:29 PM
1. C63 AMG, but I hate the interior so it's not much of a contender. I like to enjoy the interior of a car as much as it's performance.
2. Keep my 04V. It's starting to develop some creaks inside and I've hated the clutch since it's been replaced but I still love this car. I'll divorce her ass if I can get into an 09V without killing my finances.
3. I like the M3 but there are so many BMW's on the road that I know I wouldn't have the same feeling I have when I look at my 04 V. I hate the ass end of the bangle-butts.
4. Back to #2

Jpjr
09-16-08, 07:37 PM
In no particular order...

Jaguar XF
Grand Cherokee SRT8 (Refreshed for 2009)
Loaded base CTS w/24 mo lease (if can't get GMS right away)
STS-V (used, dealer offerred me a 2008 with huge discount at $72k lol)

razl
09-16-08, 09:51 PM
None.

It's my 06V or an 09+V.

(sorry for the uninteresting post, just wanted to get my .02 in there!)

v84life
09-17-08, 01:43 AM
Thinking of a lot of cars. But my heart is set on the 09V as long as the finances stay at least where they are now till it's time. I'm looking at first of the year delivery.. That being said here are my thoughts...
In no order... I see all these choices as 2nd choices. I truly believe this new car is worth buying and keeping.:thumbsup:
New SS Camaro
Pontiac G8 GXP
CTS di
M3
335i
Used M5
AMG C63
Used CLK63
Used E55
Used E63
Audi S6

Kadonny
09-17-08, 09:08 AM
Here are the top contenders for me plus a quick explaination.

BMW M3 Too small

BMW M5 Too expensive

AMG E63 Eh, maybe. Love the looks and performance, worried about quality for the cash you lay out

Audi S6 A little expensive, but it is a world class car that for me has surpassed the Benz and it's getting awful close to the BMWs in terms of quality and performance

Jaguar XF Supercharged A serious contender. What a killer car. I'm a little worried about Tata and where they are going to take Jag.

CTS-V. Front runner and will probably be the car. Cost to performance is unbeatable plus I have nothing but good things to say about my dealer and Cadillac in general after owning my STS-V for 2 plus years.

bruff1977
09-17-08, 10:56 AM
2010 Camaro SS-great price for the V8... $33-35K.
2009 Cobalt SS Turbocharged-loyalty... I had an 05. For those who don't know, these are sleepers...
2009 Malibu LTZ-nice design... OK V6.
2008 BMW 135-compact body w/twin turbo V6.
2008 BMW M3-seriously thought about it...until I heard about the markups.

concorso
09-17-08, 11:58 AM
XF-RR or Coupe V. I considered a M3 coupe, but 1 of my friends has one. A C63 would be nice, but the interior isnt to my tastes. And mercedes quality has been hit and miss over the last few years and I havent seen proof its changed yet. They seem to only put money into really chessy commercials. The IS-F looks too boyracer. Im still considering an E55. The interior is nicer the the C-class, but again im skeptical of the quality. Ive seriously considered an E39 M5 and a 06 or 07 V, both.

For me, it really comes down to when this Coupe V shows up, when the XK-R (the 500 hp+ version) shows up, and if I pass any good deals on the previous cars before that time.

Boostin'
09-17-08, 08:39 PM
Looks like we've all been checking out most of the same cars. I should have added in my origional post ones I've looked at and ruled out. Mostly because, in stock form anyway, the performance is not quite where I'd like it to be.

Audi S4/S5
Dodge Charger SRT-8
Pontiac G8
BMW 335i
EVO X

Those are spread across a lot of different markets some might say, and in some ways they are. But I just started looking at sports sedans and lumped anything with a decent rep for performance all in the same pot.

HPCC
09-18-08, 04:56 AM
Nissan GT-R (right up until the unveiling; butterface...)
Lexus IS-F (if only there was a grown-up's appearance package and two fewer cogs)
Audi RS4 and S5
BMW E39 M5 (not the current Dame Edna version)

SoCal-VEE
09-18-08, 11:11 PM
1. Jaguar XF Supercharged - This will probably be my wife's next car
2. C63, E63

Notwithstanding the fact that my 07 V was such a disappointment and i sold it after 1900 miles, the 09V is a serious contender. But damn.....i still have the "once bitten, twice shy" Cadillac shakes. Probably wait a year to see how it pans out.

CTS NV
09-19-08, 12:13 AM
G8 GXP: with a mere 415hp, a fair replacement for a 06 CTS-V
M3 or 335i: the cars that still win every magazine comparison
Challenger SRT-8: like the style, but not sure about sacrificing 4 doors
CTS DI would be a contender with more power
nothing with a slushbox

EricVonHa
09-23-08, 08:40 PM
After driving a modified Audi S4 (400awd hp to the wheels) for 6 years and 155k miles, this will be a tough car to beat. I'd consider the Audi RS4, though, it definitely does not have the punch that my twin turbo V6 has. Plus, the Audi pricepoint is skewed @ over 70k.

But, when you compare price per mile driven, my current S4 has been unbeatable. I am serious when I say that even with 155k miles, it still drives like new. There are zero creaks or squeeks in the interior and Blackstone oil analysis(es) show that there is no reason that the motor/bearings would last till 250k miles.

I'm hopeful that GM's new LS motors are up to the task also.

CVP33
09-23-08, 09:14 PM
Used 300C SRT8
Used AMG E63
Used M5

I honestly don't think I'll ever buy a new car again. Here's my last 4 cars.

2004 CTS-V bought for $47K after 1 year worth $35K.
2005 CTS-V bought for $47K after 1 year worth $33K.
2006 SRT8 bought for $45K after 1 year worth $33K.
2006 SRT8 bought for $43K after 1 year worth $28K.

I'll be waiting for a 1 year old 2009 CTS-V in the low $50's this time around. I just can't justify another new car.

Dark SSide
09-24-08, 12:26 AM
Used 300C SRT8
Used AMG E63
Used M5

I honestly don't think I'll ever buy a new car again. Here's my last 4 cars.

2004 CTS-V bought for $47K after 1 year worth $35K.
2005 CTS-V bought for $47K after 1 year worth $33K.
2006 SRT8 bought for $45K after 1 year worth $33K.
2006 SRT8 bought for $43K after 1 year worth $28K.

I'll be waiting for a 1 year old 2009 CTS-V in the low $50's this time around. I just can't justify another new car.

I'm with you, I bought a Trailblazer SS for almost 40k within the first couple months they were out and its now worth less than 20k. Trailblazer is almost paid off and I will wait.

My uncle is a partner in an extoic used lot and when one comes in on trade I will have mine then for 20k less.

Z06CTSV
10-06-08, 01:06 AM
I was looking for an automatic and wasn't happy with the only remaining Caddy dealer. Katrina closed the best local Caddy dealer (Sewell Cadillac). I looked at both the M5, S6 and the AMG Benz. They wouldn't deal on them and the Audi dealer did. In my opinion each had their strong points and weak points. And I love my 2007 S6, (comfort, fast, great traction, good size, I-pod control). The local dealer isn't the best, but equal to the Caddy dealer.

I'm still lurking because I really miss my 2004 V. I'm a car freak, and would love a new automatic V. But I have a ZR1 on order and my wife would kill me if I got two new cars at the same time. If I was shopping for a car at this level, I would definitely get a new V.

CTSV556
10-24-08, 01:19 PM
335i
GT-R
Exige
Upcoming S4

MacOSR
10-24-08, 01:54 PM
G8 GXP: with a mere 415hp, a fair replacement for a 06 CTS-V
M3 or 335i: the cars that still win every magazine comparison
Challenger SRT-8: like the style, but not sure about sacrificing 4 doors
CTS DI would be a contender with more power
nothing with a slushbox

I just had a 335 as a loaner when I took my M5 in for service and it was the first time I drove one. It is an awesome car. If I was buying a daily driver I would seriously consider it or even a 535xi which was the loaner I had the last time.

Lets face it, cars certainly are not an investment, especially daily drivers :yup:

ExtraV
10-24-08, 04:10 PM
I was about to buy a C63, but I think i'm switching over to the CTS-V. Lots of problems with the C63s and they are really stripped with hardly any options for its price.

Just need to find a dealer with a solid price and that can deliver in the first batch.

nigwil
10-24-08, 10:37 PM
I have a 335xi and now considering 09 M3 Sedan or CTS-V. My reluctance with the CTS-V is long-term build quality - the reviews of the V1 are hardly flattering.

I was looking for a GT-R but the whole experience so far with Nissan North America (NNA) has been so disappointing and discouraging that the chances of consummating a 17-year wait are now slim to non-existent.

Pounder
10-25-08, 01:03 AM
I am looking at the:
CTS-V
XF SV8 or XF-R (I am wondering how much that one will cost!)
GT-R (too expensive!)
BMW M3
Corvette

bsteven43
10-25-08, 12:11 PM
I'm surprised the IS-F isn't coming up more .... i drove one and it is wicked. i think they're selling for about $55k now.

Pounder
10-25-08, 12:30 PM
I'm surprised the IS-F isn't coming up more .... i drove one and it is wicked. i think they're selling for about $55k now.

The exhausts are so phony!

gotapex
10-26-08, 06:06 PM
I'm still mulling over the Audi R8 V10, which will have exhaust tips as phony as the IS-F ones. :) Not as practical as the CTS-V, but looks to be fun.

Mercedez L.
10-31-08, 01:42 PM
It is between a CTS-V or the regular CTS V-6 DI. Whichever car gives a smoother ride on bumpy roads and more comfortable.

Mercedez L.
11-01-08, 03:31 AM
Thinking of a lot of cars. But my heart is set on the 09V as long as the finances stay at least where they are now till it's time. I'm looking at first of the year delivery.. That being said here are my thoughts...
In no order... I see all these choices as 2nd choices. I truly believe this new car is worth buying and keeping.:thumbsup:
New SS Camaro
Pontiac G8 GXP
CTS di
M3
335i
Used M5
AMG C63
Used CLK63
Used E55
Used E63
Audi S6


The new Camaro will have the same V-6 300 horse engine as the CTS di car.
How about considering the ZR-1 Corvette?

CIWS
11-01-08, 09:56 AM
The new Camaro will have the same V-6 300 horse engine as the CTS di car.
How about considering the ZR-1 Corvette?

The standard Camaro will have the D.I. V6, but the Camaro SS like he mentioned will have either the L99 with the auto trans or the LS3 with the manual transmission.

Personally the LS3 based car would be quite tempting as a 2nd fun car because that engine can be easily modded by any Corvette shop with a mild cam and headers and once tuned should produce 460+ rwhp. I have a friend with the LS3 in his 08 Corvette that's getting 496 rwhp with that setup.

JEM
11-01-08, 05:38 PM
I'm surprised the IS-F isn't coming up more .... i drove one and it is wicked. i think they're selling for about $55k now.

It's nothing special to drive, it's butt-ugly, the back seat is weird, outward visibility on the IS body sucks (though that's hardly a strength of the CTS), etc.

It's a wanna-be.

Frankly, if you want something CTS-V size and don't want to spend $60K, wait to see how the G8 GXP turns out. A little less motor, cheaper interior trim, but certainly roomier and a fair chunk less money.