: CTS-V laughs at the new RS6



Cadillac Tony
08-12-08, 03:28 PM
Looks like Audi's new RS6 will come up pretty short in any comparison tests against the new CTS-V:

Full Article Here (http://jalopnik.com/400234/2009-audi-rs6-sedan-revealed-twin+turbocharged-four+door-power)

Here's the short version:

2009 RS6
Permanent AWD
Twin Turbo V10
580hp
479 lb-ft torque
4,338 lbs.
0-60: 4.5 seconds
Approximately $150,000 :eek:

2009 CTS-V:
RWD
Supercharged V8
556hp
551 lb-ft
4,300 lbs.
0-60: 3.9 seconds
Price estimated between $60k and $80k


Just more fodder to be eaten up in the comparison tests. Who says the new V needs AWD? :D

Lord Cadillac
08-12-08, 03:35 PM
...but somehow, the Audi will be the greatest thing since sliced bread (according to the media). Right? Let's watch...

Silverspeed
08-12-08, 03:38 PM
Actually that was 0-62 in 4.5 seconds. Not sure if I would believe those numbers, and I hardly think a V will "laugh" at that car.

Cadillac Tony
08-12-08, 03:54 PM
...but somehow, the Audi will be the greatest thing since sliced bread (according to the media). Right? Let's watch...

I'm sure it will be (according to them :rolleyes:). I just hope Motor Trend has a "Round 2" comparison between the two. The first time out, they dinged the CTS-V for a subpar interior, foot pedal e-brake and slightly lower performance. The 08+ interior has been massively improved, so I'd love to see how things shake out this time. :lildevil:


Actually that was 0-62 in 4.5 seconds. Not sure if I would believe those numbers, and I hardly think a V will "laugh" at that car.

Those numbers came right from Audi's press release, so I assume they're accurate. It's tough to know exactly how they stack up against the V since many "0-60" tests actually use a rollout instead of a standing start- you've gotta do them side by side, same time, same driver. Even if we give the RS6 the benefit of the doubt and assume it pulls a 4.3 (2 tenths is a TON), it's still slower to 60 than the V by almost a half second, and just imagine how far that gap will widen over the trip to 100+ mph.

Factor in the cost of over twice as much, and it makes the CTS-V look like even more of a bargain than it already does. :highfive:

Radguy
08-12-08, 04:18 PM
Who says the new V needs AWD?

Me, that's who.
Not a problem for you guys in Florida. Big problem for us guys in the Great White North.

Cadillac Tony
08-12-08, 04:29 PM
I was referring to the people who postulated that AWD would outperform RWD, even in a straight line. I get your point about snow, but I would imagine that most people who can afford a $70k+ Supercar would also have some spare change for a Winter vehicle.

Maybe that's just my crazy Florida Native assumption, but I know several guys up North, and even the ones who drive Miatas have a truck or a Subaru wagon for the rough weather days.

Varsity
08-12-08, 04:40 PM
However, there are already tuners here in Europe getting 670bhp from these cars, so watch out

Just look what they can do to an S4, here have a look

http://www.vimeo.com/1276040 and be sure to watch the whole thing, especially if your a Diablo owner, or one who likes to cry!

I cancelled an RS6 in favour of the CTS-V so it had better be good!

onebadcad
08-12-08, 04:41 PM
Audi=another underperforming Deutschland import:).
JFWY, I doubt anyone would pay $150K US for one, maybe the S8 with the same engine could that price.

CIWS
08-12-08, 05:27 PM
http://www.vimeo.com/1276040 and be sure to watch the whole thing, especially if your a Diablo owner, or one who likes to cry!

Over a minute into the thing and I still had not seen the car, I stopped it. Some of these "filmmakers" need to realize it's about the car not all of the fancy titles and other B.S. they want to throw in.

Thanks anyway for posting.

LITTLEELVISDAN
08-12-08, 05:52 PM
ffwd to the 3 min mark

Blackout
08-12-08, 06:02 PM
In stock trim this may be the case but if Heffner Performance's Lamborghini Gallarado is an idea as to the potential of the V10 in both of these cars then the RS6 is going to be a hell of a car. But Heffner just built a 930 whp/762 tq Gallarado by adding twin turbos onto the stock V10. So Audi already has the TT's on there so now just add the rest of the mods that they threw onto the Gallarado and instant rocket ship. Here's the car and the supporting mod's.

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Dr Chill
08-12-08, 06:31 PM
105,000 Euro including 29% VAT. 116,279 without VAT. Considering most European manufacturers are pricing the same USD as Euros, the US MSRP will likely be in the $116,000 range.

thebigjimsho
08-12-08, 06:45 PM
Yes, because we all know the Audi's engine bay will be as accomodating as the Lambo's.


Hey Blackout, go find posters rlj5 or wait4me...

gothicaleigh
08-12-08, 06:47 PM
In stock trim this may be the case but if Heffner Performance's Lamborghini Gallarado is an idea as to the potential of the V10 in both of these cars then the RS6 is going to be a hell of a car. But Heffner just built a 930 whp/762 tq Gallarado by adding twin turbos onto the stock V10. So Audi already has the TT's on there so now just add the rest of the mods that they threw onto the Gallarado and instant rocket ship.

I'm willing we'll beat that ...with a Mallett. :histeric:







just like the last time :lildevil:

thebigjimsho
08-12-08, 06:48 PM
Oh yeah, Heffner also converts the Lambos to RWD...

I~LUV~Caddys8792
08-12-08, 07:17 PM
Twin turbos on a V-10 and all they could squeeze out of it was 479 lb/ft? Pathetic!

NormV
08-12-08, 09:33 PM
Good rule of thumb when converting 62 km to 60 mph times from a stop is .4 of second.

Don't mess with quattro! Just look at their starts in Speed World Challenge RS6 againist Corvette, Viper...they used go around the field in the grass from a stop when not qualifing well.

Should be interesting when the V10 TT M5 comes out! :)

Norm

Dr Chill
08-12-08, 11:24 PM
105,000 Euro including 29% VAT. 116,279 without VAT. Considering most European manufacturers are pricing the same USD as Euros, the US MSRP will likely be in the $116,000 range.

A little math error. 105,000 minus VAT will be 81,395. The likely pricetag will be between around $100,000 US IMO.

Radguy
08-13-08, 11:28 AM
I was referring to the people who postulated that AWD would outperform RWD, even in a straight line. I get your point about snow, but I would imagine that most people who can afford a $70k+ Supercar would also have some spare change for a Winter vehicle.

Maybe that's just my crazy Florida Native assumption, but I know several guys up North, and even the ones who drive Miatas have a truck or a Subaru wagon for the rough weather days.

Sorry, I was just yanking your chain;)

I realize that most people who would have an AWD, if they were available, in northern climates, would garage it in the winter, and drive a beater. I, for one, however, would be putting 4 winter tires on it and drive it all year long. I already have a winter garage queen.

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h270/Jonnyss/001_1-1.jpg

Jonathan

lawfive
08-13-08, 11:40 AM
Ah, bench racing. Still stressful, but easier on the tires.

Florian
08-13-08, 04:15 PM
just toss the Vette cam/pieces into the V and youre at 650HP.... a boatload cheaper than the turbo set.


F

Blackout
08-13-08, 04:36 PM
just toss the Vette cam/pieces into the V and youre at 650HP.... a boatload cheaper than the turbo set.


F
The big question mark for the V is how will the pistons in the LSA hold up because from what I have been hearing, those are not very good. Either way it is a good time to be a Cadillac fan

Florian
08-13-08, 09:18 PM
from what I understand the eutectic pistons arent used in the SC engines, all forged stuff. I may be wrong.


F

Blackout
08-13-08, 10:56 PM
from what I understand the eutectic pistons arent used in the SC engines, all forged stuff. I may be wrong.


F

LS9 has forged, LSA has eutectic

Varsity
08-14-08, 12:10 PM
[QUOTE=Blackout;1603949]In stock trim this may be the case but if Heffner Performance's Lamborghini Gallarado is an idea as to the potential of the V10 in both of these cars then the RS6 is going to be a hell of a car. But Heffner just built a 930 whp/762 tq Gallarado by adding twin turbos onto the stock V10. So Audi already has the TT's on there so now just add the rest of the mods that they threw onto the Gallarado and instant rocket ship. Here's the car and the supporting mod's.

[IMG]http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2008/08/heffnerttgallardo_11.jpg[/IG]

Ah but, the car in the mrc vimeo cost $4800 (2500) and then went on to have $30k spent on the engine, suspension wheels tires etc.

In consideration to that I would say it was more than a match for any of the "super" cars there.

In fact, that car does a 40 mile commute every day, gets tracked at least once a month, in the Ring 3 times a year and still returns 30mpg and can carry 4 people and luggage. And still embarrass in a MASSIVE way most anything out there!

That said cant wait to kick his ass with the new V!!!

:bouncy:

concorso
08-14-08, 12:20 PM
V10's sound horrible. Ive heard them all and Id never want one. Unless you are up in the roms constantly, every V10 Ive heard has this odd idling tone, it just doesn't sound right. All the 5 cylinders Ive heard have this same tone. V8's or V12's for me...

NormV
08-14-08, 02:14 PM
Viper's do sound like crap. Have you heard an R8? :)


Norm


V10's sound horrible. Ive heard them all and Id never want one. Unless you are up in the roms constantly, every V10 Ive heard has this odd idling tone, it just doesn't sound right. All the 5 cylinders Ive heard have this same tone. V8's or V12's for me...

atdeneve
08-14-08, 03:50 PM
Viper's do sound like crap. Have you heard an R8? :)


Norm

The new R8 (V10) or the old (V8)?

CIWS
08-14-08, 05:22 PM
V10's sound horrible. Ive heard them all and Id never want one. Unless you are up in the roms constantly, every V10 Ive heard has this odd idling tone, it just doesn't sound right. All the 5 cylinders Ive heard have this same tone. V8's or V12's for me...

This one ?

3f6EKUJxnFA

buf05CTSV
08-14-08, 05:45 PM
Viper's do sound like crap. Have you heard an R8? :)


Norm

Yeah Viper's do. I was thinking about getting one before the V came out, but when I heard the exhaust note, yuck. The Corvette sounds infinitely better. Yes, the R8 also sounds good, but all that money... and you get a car slower than an LS3 Corvette... not worth it to me.

Torxila
08-14-08, 08:10 PM
The big question mark for the V is how will the pistons in the LSA hold up because from what I have been hearing, those are not very good.

Blackout,
What have you heard exactly and from who. Under what conditions were the pistons not very good. Do you/they have any data?

Thanks,
George

atdeneve
08-15-08, 05:32 AM
I don't think he's implying that he has any special secret information about the LSA. It's just, the pistons are hypereutectic. They are not forged. This is information that has been available to all for sometime now. It's not something that you have to be privy to.

Being that they're hypereutectic, they will not withstand extreme boost, and, therefore, you can't expect to simply up the boost and have free horsepower at your disposal. Increase the boost significantly and you're gonna have to toss in some forged internals to withstand that kinda pressure.

LITTLEELVISDAN
08-15-08, 07:45 AM
Thats not to say there is no room for HP improvement with existing internals. D3 is making 600+ out of a 469 HP stock motor with tuning and bolt ons. I would think the same 28% increase is possible on the LSA. Which is roughly the same % as the drive train loss (auto) 556 x .28 = 155 hp gain... 155 + 556 = 711 hp. Not too shabby.. Who wouldn't want a 711 hp caddy?

http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/cadillac-sts-v-series-forum/146374-d3-upcoming-preview.html

Blackout
08-15-08, 12:25 PM
Thats not to say there is no room for HP improvement with existing internals. D3 is making 600+ out of a 469 HP stock motor with tuning and bolt ons. I would think the same 28% increase is possible on the LSA. Which is roughly the same % as the drive train loss (auto) 556 x .28 = 155 hp gain... 155 + 556 = 711 hp. Not too shabby.. Who wouldn't want a 711 hp caddy?

http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/cadillac-sts-v-series-forum/146374-d3-upcoming-preview.html
The LS9 and the LSA are two different engines. That would be like saying that a ford 4.6 sohc is the same as the 4.6 dohc and that you would expect the same results with mods. The LSA has crappier pistons, rods, heads, etc compared to the LS9. You think GM is going to waste the money to just make the same engine but use just different pistons? This is why the LSA uses a smaller blower then that of the LS9 because its internals aren't up to par. Now all of this is pure speculative but testing has been done with eutetic pistons and forged and the eutetic ones are inferior

lawfive
08-15-08, 01:41 PM
The new R8 (V10) or the old (V8)?

R8 :drool:

lawfive
08-15-08, 01:57 PM
The LS9 and the LSA are two different engines. That would be like saying that a ford 4.6 sohc is the same as the 4.6 dohc and that you would expect the same results with mods. The LSA has crappier pistons, rods, heads, etc compared to the LS9. You think GM is going to waste the money to just make the same engine but use just different pistons? This is why the LSA uses a smaller blower then that of the LS9 because its internals aren't up to par. Now all of this is pure speculative but testing has been done with eutetic pistons and forged and the eutetic ones are inferior

Here we go. "Crappier" is not the adjective I'd use given that the design goals for the LSA and the LS9 were totally different. The internals are indeed "up to par" (read "fit for purpose") given that the vast majority of buyers won't be pursuing mods much beyond hanging an air freshener from the rear view mirror.

Not that mods are a bad thing, says the V1 Maggie owner. But I suspect I'll be perfectly happy with 556/551 direct from the factory and warrantied, and also happy to pay a lower price for it thanks to the engineering differential between the LSA and the LS9.

Given that we're talking a lux-o-barge with great handling, how much quicker than 0-60 in 3.9 and Ring in under 8 minutes do we need? And how much higher an MSRP are we willing to pay for each tenth of a second?

I like fast, but this baby is already capable of ludicrous speed. :cloud9:

Blackout
08-15-08, 03:21 PM
Here we go. "Crappier" is not the adjective I'd use given that the design goals for the LSA and the LS9 were totally different. The internals are indeed "up to par" (read "fit for purpose") given that the vast majority of buyers won't be pursuing mods much beyond hanging an air freshener from the rear view mirror.

Not that mods are a bad thing, says the V1 Maggie owner. But I suspect I'll be perfectly happy with 556/551 direct from the factory and warrantied, and also happy to pay a lower price for it thanks to the engineering differential between the LSA and the LS9.

Given that we're talking a lux-o-barge with great handling, how much quicker than 0-60 in 3.9 and Ring in under 8 minutes do we need? And how much higher an MSRP are we willing to pay for each tenth of a second?

I like fast, but this baby is already capable of ludicrous speed. :cloud9:
Oh I'm not saying that this thing isn't going going to be a monster because this thing will be a monster! But there will always be those people that in stock trim it just isn't fast enough and that's what I will be interested in seeing as to how these LSA's hold up. Like I said it's all speculation at this point but testing has shown that forged internals are better then eutetic internals. But as for using "crappier" to describe the internals that wasn't the best choice of words to describe it but either way any adjective that means not as good would suffice

lawfive
08-15-08, 03:30 PM
I gotcha. Let's predict those future V Forum threads right now:

"Check it out: home-grown CAI (pix)"

"F#$@*NG PULLEY!!!"

"Got the boost up by 1.5 psi but heard a 'bang,' any help?"

"Starting the LS9 conversion; have a couple questions..."

The Tony Show
08-15-08, 03:47 PM
You forgot "WTF?! Stupid stealer won't warranty my engine after changing pulley!!!?!"

:D

lawfive
08-15-08, 03:51 PM
"LS9 conversion... Stupid intercooler!!! Who's up for a custom hood group buy? :bouncy:"

Blackout
08-15-08, 04:28 PM
I gotcha. Let's predict those future V Forum threads right now:

"Check it out: home-grown CAI (pix)"

"F#$@*NG PULLEY!!!"

"Got the boost up by 1.5 psi but heard a 'bang,' any help?"

"Starting the LS9 conversion; have a couple questions..."


You forgot "WTF?! Stupid stealer won't warranty my engine after changing pulley!!!?!"

:D


"LS9 conversion... Stupid intercooler!!! Who's up for a custom hood group buy? :bouncy:"

http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/6595/lulzyk3.gif

HushH
08-15-08, 11:04 PM
...

I like fast, but this baby is already capable of ludicrous speed. :cloud9:

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y58/HushH/spaceballslarge026xd.jpg

I~LUV~Caddys8792
08-16-08, 10:52 AM
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y58/HushH/spaceballslarge026xd.jpg




And THAT gets post of the day! LOLLOLOL!!!

concorso
08-16-08, 10:54 AM
This one ?

3f6EKUJxnFA Yea, that one! Well, not that one exactly, as thats the last gen body with the new engine. But yes, that engine sounds bad to me... If firing order can affect the engine note, then having 2 many or 2 few cylinders can as well. ;)

Ive driven the Gallardo and rode in a Murcielago, and the Murcielago sounds so much nicer to my ears.

CIWS
08-19-08, 07:45 AM
Ive driven the Gallardo and rode in a Murcielago, and the Murcielago sounds so much nicer to my ears.

No doubt. :) But I really don't place those cars and their designed customer in the same boat as a performance sedan, be it Audi or Cadillac.

Blackout
08-20-08, 12:31 PM
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2008/08/bb-rs6-02web.jpg

A 580hp station wagon (or sedan, for that matter) seems like sheer lunacy in its own right, but it appears that the twin-turbo V10 in the Audi RS6 is capable of a great deal more. Following the release of the 702hp MTM-tuned RS6 M, fellow German tuning house B&B Automobiltechnik has an even more potent tuning package, boosting power up to a whopping 715.

So what did the power-hungry gearheads at B&B do to get a 120 horsepower boost out of the Gallardo-derived FSI? They didn't replace the turbos or fit a new supercharger, nor did they bore out the cylinder block for bigger displacement. They simply fitted a new intake, catalyst, exhaust and cooling system, and tinkered with the ECU. B&B are also offering an adjustable suspension and new springs that drop the ride height by 25mm. The result? A claimed 0-60 run in a scant 3.6 seconds. That's well into supercar territory, as many a Porsche and Ferrari driver are bound to discover when baited into an impromptu red-light drag race. Nice work if you can get it.
I told ya

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thebigjimsho
08-20-08, 11:46 PM
So I guess a factory V is "crappier" than a worked over RS6...

v84life
08-21-08, 02:06 AM
The RS6 is heavy. More weight needs more HP to keep up. I'll be happy with tuned V2:cool:

Blackout
08-21-08, 09:23 AM
So I guess a factory V is "crappier" than a worked over RS6...

Yay! Jim got to put in his .02 worthless cents just so he can get a jab in. If you would have read earlier on I said that there is plenty of potential in the TTV10 and this just goes to show that without doing really anything major it's putting out 715 hp and doing 3.6 0-60's, and that's before replacing the turbos and doing anything to the engine itself

The Tony Show
08-21-08, 10:38 AM
I told ya


They simply fitted a new intake, catalyst, exhaust and cooling system, and tinkered with the ECU.

A 2009 CTS-V with intake, high flow cats, exhaust, cooling upgrades and an aggressively tuned ECU will be right there with it. I don't see what this post is supposed to prove, other than modding a Forced Induction car gets big results. I think we all already knew this.

thebigjimsho
08-21-08, 06:25 PM
Yay! Jim got to put in his .02 worthless cents just so he can get a jab in. If you would have read earlier on I said that there is plenty of potential in the TTV10 and this just goes to show that without doing really anything major it's putting out 715 hp and doing 3.6 0-60's, and that's before replacing the turbos and doing anything to the engine itselfNo, calling the V's engine "crappier" than the ZR1s is your worthless .02. And what I said rings true. haha, rings, as the one in Germany in which the V torched the RS6. As for worked over LSAs and LS9s, there aren't any...yet. And since the LSX has always taken well to mods, your little Audi tantrum is pretty much meaningless.

Shove it, little boy.

lawfive
08-23-08, 01:05 AM
Nice looking, for a wagon.

Still... it's a wagon...

Still... de-badged, it would be fun...

Wagon, hmmm...

Nah.

LITTLEELVISDAN
08-23-08, 05:54 AM
they replaced the turbo's because closing down the waste gate and increasing the boost killed them. Which is probably indicative of what is going to happen to the motor not too long in the future. Comparing modded cars is impossible. How stupid crazy do you want to get is on an individual basis. The question is how long do you want your parst to last. Lightly modded STS-V is over 600hp on stock boost and should be fairly reliable. I would think the new GM motors are more than capable of generating massive amounts of power when modded. Remember they restrict the airflow in and out to keep the blowers quiet since its a caddy. so 650+ with intake, tune and exhaust alone is achieveable in my eyes. I consider that lightly modded.

JEM
08-25-08, 08:14 PM
Yay! Jim got to put in his .02 worthless cents just so he can get a jab in. If you would have read earlier on I said that there is plenty of potential in the TTV10 and this just goes to show that without doing really anything major it's putting out 715 hp and doing 3.6 0-60's, and that's before replacing the turbos and doing anything to the engine itself

Yes, Audi does beautiful interiors, you can get tons of power out of the turbo cars if you're prepared to put up with the engine-compartment packaging of that results. I find the RS6 wagon truly beautiful, far nicer than the Cadillac.

That said, Audi tends to do pretty ponderous, leaden chassis (certainly applies to my C5 S6 Avant and the one C5 RS6 sedan and most of the recent A4/S4 I've driven; I haven't been in a position to drive the present RS6 but the press has pretty much lumped it into that bucket) and they tend not to use one part when three will do the job - the sheer parts count in the Audi engine compartment is probably 3x that of the Cadillac.

And it's academic in the US anyway, as Audi's not bringing most of their interesting present-day hardware to this country. Instead, we get crap like the Q7. Thing looks like a '30s locomotive, tiny windows, outward visibility sucks, feel is okay but that's about all.

concorso
08-25-08, 09:38 PM
I can't wait for my crappy CTS-V with its full fangled M5 crushing crappiness. Bring on huge crappy gobs of forced-induction antquated pushrod torque. If this LSA is crappy, then Im going to be one happy pig in sh*t.

terminal Velocity
08-26-08, 10:25 AM
Comparing a modified car to a stock one, unless you're talking price which makes it even more lopsided in this case, makes little sense to me. Why the hate?

Blackout
08-26-08, 12:20 PM
OMG. Are you people really that dense? Did you just read the last page and decide to reply? Go back to the beginning and start from there. People were talking crap about the RS6, I said that stock for stock the CTS-V would most likely take the RS6 but at the same time that there was plenty of potential with the TTV10 and I then posted up what a company did with just the base model non-turbo'd V10 from the Gallarado and it was making over 900 hp. Then a couple of days later I happened to see these tuners companies doing basically very little and the big improvement that it netted and now I'm comparing stock cars to modded ones? The stupidity that comes out of the CTS-V section is only matched by that of teens that are at Honda forums. You guys have such selective memory, if you actually read that thread I was actually giving a lot of kudos to the CTS-V but I guess you guys forgot all about that

atdeneve
08-26-08, 12:36 PM
No, I got you.

terminal Velocity
08-26-08, 02:59 PM
OMG. Are you people really that dense? Did you just read the last page and decide to reply? Go back to the beginning and start from there. People were talking crap about the RS6, I said that stock for stock the CTS-V would most likely take the RS6 but at the same time that there was plenty of potential with the TTV10 and I then posted up what a company did with just the base model non-turbo'd V10 from the Gallarado and it was making over 900 hp. Then a couple of days later I happened to see these tuners companies doing basically very little and the big improvement that it netted and now I'm comparing stock cars to modded ones? The stupidity that comes out of the CTS-V section is only matched by that of teens that are at Honda forums. You guys have such selective memory, if you actually read that thread I was actually giving a lot of kudos to the CTS-V but I guess you guys forgot all about thatYou say you give kudos, but you still have an air of "I told you so" in your tone. Go to an Audi forum, then...

Blackout
08-26-08, 04:17 PM
You say you give kudos, but you still have an air of "I told you so" in your tone. Go to an Audi forum, then...


The big question mark for the V is how will the pistons in the LSA hold up because from what I have been hearing, those are not very good. Either way it is a good time to be a Cadillac fan

Oh I'm not saying that this thing isn't going going to be a monster because this thing will be a monster! But there will always be those people that in stock trim it just isn't fast enough and that's what I will be interested in seeing as to how these LSA's hold up. Like I said it's all speculation at this point but testing has shown that forged internals are better then eutetic internals. But as for using "crappier" to describe the internals that wasn't the best choice of words to describe it but either way any adjective that means not as good would suffice
And then from there we went on joking about future threads we would see and everything was going well until jim had to stir the pot like usual and then it turned into the cluster f*** that is the rest of this thread. So by these posts that shows that I have a "I told you so" tone? If anything it shows that I'm psyched to see this thing but at the same time (like any other car) there's a couple of things that still have a big question mark about them. So if not slobbing the knob of everything that Cadillac makes makes me some sorta "I told you so" tone then welcome to car forums! It's called having a conversation about pro's, con's, and anything in between. You think that just because this is a Cadillac forum people aren't allowed to question things and that we should just be like :worship: ZOMG ITZ THE CADILLAC!!!!1!!!1!!!!!!!11! ITZ PURFECT!!!!!!! :hmm:

EDIT: And also I like how you have a whopping 52 posts and have been here for half the amount of time I have been here and your telling me to go to another forum lol silly noobs

parexa
08-26-08, 06:40 PM
Just stop trolling, you obviously havent driven neither of those cars, but you act like you know all about them. I think I might call it the Taurus complex

concorso
08-26-08, 08:53 PM
EDIT: And also I like how you have a whopping 52 posts and have been here for half the amount of time I have been here and your telling me to go to another forum lol silly noobs Silly noobs? Did you really just compare post count and how long someones been on a board? Thats about as mature as teething...or 'Your Mom' jokes.

Listen, this is a CTS-V board, not just Cadillac. The CTS-V, arguably the most important car to Cadillac in its life. As much as your allowed to come in here and talk about Audi's, CF members are allowed to criticize you for it. If youre going to get huffy and call people 'dense' , 'stupid' and 'honda teens' , dont be surprised when some of the people here shit on you.

terminal Velocity
08-27-08, 11:01 AM
EDIT: And also I like how you have a whopping 52 posts and have been here for half the amount of time I have been here and your telling me to go to another forum lol silly noobsToo easy. New guy or not, it's not hard to identify your type.

Blackout
08-27-08, 12:24 PM
Just stop trolling, you obviously havent driven neither of those cars, but you act like you know all about them. I think I might call it the Taurus complex

You're kidding me right? This is the 2009 CTS-V section and it's been open for how many months now? So basically every thread in this section should be deleted because since nobody here has driven the CTS-V then that means nobody can comment about it? And then the OP of this thread should have this thread deleted because he hasn't driven a RS6 and the pricing he gave for it is the pricing for it over in Europe not the actual US pricing for the car. I mean some of you guys just have an excuse for everything. I can write a 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 word write up praising the CTS-V and how it's god gift to the automotive world and that nothing will ever beat it but if I had one sentence saying how I didn't like this because it felt cheap or something most of you would be harping on me because I said that so and so piece was cheap but yet you forget everything else I have said. Like I said, I find it funny that this thread was going just fine until Jim posted up and like usual all of his "buddies" on here are agreeing with him and yada, yada, yada. This place is like stepping back into high school with all of these clicks. Since I'm not a CTS-V owner all of the CTS-V guys think your an idiot, you don't know what you're talking about, you can't comment on this because you don't have one, etc. Car forums are for people to come to talk about cars and usually have discussions on how car A would do compared to car B and every body can have a good time. I've been on so many car forums over the years and when I first joined here this place was the most stand up group of guys/gals that I was apart of. Back then you could actually have a conversation about a Cadillac product and say, "You know what? I really just find this to be the goofy thing and have no idea as to why Cadillac did that" and then a nice simple conversation would follow. Now adays if you don't praise every little thing about that car then you're a Cadillac hater. I have and always will love Cadillac's, but saying that that doesn't mean it's my most favorite brand out there as well. To me a car enthusiast means you appreciate any and all cars regardless of what badge is on it, and by listening to quite a few people on here that "claim" they are car enthusiasts but if it isn't a Cadillac it's junk is just a goofy statement to make. So hate me all you want because it's just down right crazy to like more then one car brand right?

terminal Velocity
08-27-08, 03:35 PM
So I guess a factory V is "crappier" than a worked over RS6...Is this the quote? If so, the point is clear. True no one has driven the V yet. Which is why comparing a stock V and worked over RS6 is pointless. And the V certainly has aftermarket potential anyway. I don't get why you are so vicious around here.

Jim made a simple statement. You started name calling.

Blackout
08-27-08, 05:03 PM
Is this the quote? If so, the point is clear. True no one has driven the V yet. Which is why comparing a stock V and worked over RS6 is pointless. And the V certainly has aftermarket potential anyway. I don't get why you are so vicious around here.

Jim made a simple statement. You started name calling.

You have no idea the history between me and him on here. I've put up with so much crap from people on here that I wonder why I still even come here

terminal Velocity
08-27-08, 07:24 PM
You have no idea the history between me and him on here. I've put up with so much crap from people on here that I wonder why I still even come hereI'll leave you to ponder that.

concorso
08-27-08, 09:19 PM
You have no idea the history between me and him on here. I've put up with so much crap from people on here that I wonder why I still even come here Teachers put up with alot of crap. Sewage disposal companies put up with alot of crap. You just come off as a self absorbed sook.

rand49er
08-29-08, 07:57 AM
In stock trim this may be the case but if Heffner Performance's Lamborghini Gallarado is an idea as to the potential of the V10 in both of these cars then the RS6 is going to be a hell of a car. But Heffner just built a 930 whp/762 tq Gallarado by adding twin turbos onto the stock V10. So Audi already has the TT's on there so now just add the rest of the mods that they threw onto the Gallarado and instant rocket ship. ...Comin' to this party rather late, I know, but I just have to share my $0.02 here.

I was told by someone who knows that the LSA motor, with very modest tweaking, can easily exceed 700 hp on an engine dyno. His facility did some contract work for GM about a year ago under extremely tight security. (Florian, I'm sure, will corroborate this, btw.) Completely forged internals or not, wait till this car gets into the hands of a bunch of gear heads with a little imagination. These guys drink beer, not bier.

I'm so tired of hearing about this uber car and that uber car. :thehand: