: Is CTS-V safe from budget cuts?



OzarksHillbilly
07-16-08, 12:07 PM
Is anyone worried that GM's desperate measures to cut costs and switch to more fuel-efficient vehicles might cause the '09 V to be canceled?

I'm hoping it's too far along in the pipeline to be detoured now. But does anyone with more actual knowledge have any insight to offer?

CIWS
07-16-08, 12:11 PM
It will be a limited production vehicle anyway, and like you say it's development is pretty much done. I say it's safe for now.

lusterblade
07-16-08, 12:18 PM
Everything has pretty much been paid for, such as tooling so its relatively safe

CTSV_510
07-16-08, 12:40 PM
Are there any production numbers yet?

lusterblade
07-16-08, 03:54 PM
Are there any production numbers yet?

Yes and no. There are production numbers but I don't think that they are public and that I could release them.

GNSCOTT
07-16-08, 06:43 PM
It is NOT limited production and GM will build every one they have an order for. There is no way it can be cancelled now. The investment has been made and now its time to get tons of free publicity in every car rag on the stands. Even Chrysler made the Viper at a loss because it needed a halo car to help their image and Caddy needs the same.

The only reason why the ZR-1 is limited production is because of carbon fiber parts suppliers. GM says it is limited to 2000 units because they think they will only sell 2000 units per year average. Unless you see a tag on the car that says #__ of 2000 or something like that, it is not limited.

StealthV
07-16-08, 06:55 PM
I'm more concerned about the viability of a third gen V - That's what's in the pipeline now. Today's CTS and its variants are all but done.

Seems we're living the 70s all over again - Imports had the upperhand on small, fuel efficient cars and Detroit struggled to get caught up.

Here at the local dealer in IL, there is a new Challenger and a #454 of 1000 Superbee collecting dust on the lot. If the economy was healthy, they'd be gone. Will the V be the same?

And I saw a Priu$ on the way home from work with big chrome Turdra badging. All I can say there is crap on crap.

CIWS
07-17-08, 08:22 AM
It is NOT limited production and GM will build every one they have an order for.

GM's statements to the press all along is that the CTS-V will see production numbers that would be LIMITED to about 7000 units annually. Now perhaps you have a different definition of what limited production means. But to GM it means they're are only going to build up to a certain number annually, not unlimited. So pardon me if I choose to listen to what they say to the public / press over your opinion of it.

"Production on the new CTS V-Series will start in September of 2008, and will be limited to about 7000 units annually. Internally, GM is referring to the car as "GMX322 V S/C."

http://jalopnik.com/cars/new-cars/2009-cadillac-cts+v-305315.php

"MILFORD, Mich. - As final testing of the limited-edition 2009 CTS-V nears completion, the results suggest that Cadillac's upcoming sports sedan is entering the stratosphere of the world's highest-performing cars. Cadillac announces the following performance specifications for all-new 2009 CTS-V:"

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/06/09/2009-cadillac-cts-v-will-officially-make-556-horsepower/

"Known internally as "GMX322 V S/C", the 2009 CTS-V will likely begin production in September of 2008 and reach a maximum of 7,000 units per year."

http://www.autoblog.com/2007/05/30/spy-shots-2009-cadillac-cts-v/


"CTS-V production should get under way in fall 2008 and will be limited to about 7000 units annually."

http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070619/FREE/70619001/1065

P-Funk
07-17-08, 08:25 AM
And I saw a Priu$ on the way home from work with big chrome Turdra badging. All I can say there is crap on crap.

Did they at least put the TuRD sticker on it? There's nothing like a company telling everyone that their product is crap and people still buy it.

CTSV_510
07-17-08, 01:04 PM
Did they at least put the TuRD sticker on it? There's nothing like a company telling everyone that their product is crap and people still buy it.

The Prius is not crap. It's a mix of regular and crap.

GNSCOTT
07-17-08, 06:59 PM
GM's statements to the press all along is that the CTS-V will see production numbers that would be LIMITED to about 7000 units annually. Now perhaps you have a different definition of what limited production means. But to GM it means they're are only going to build up to a certain number annually, not unlimited. So pardon me if I choose to listen to what they say to the public / press over your opinion of it.

"Production on the new CTS V-Series will start in September of 2008, and will be limited to about 7000 units annually. Internally, GM is referring to the car as "GMX322 V S/C."

http://jalopnik.com/cars/new-cars/2009-cadillac-cts+v-305315.php

"MILFORD, Mich. - As final testing of the limited-edition 2009 CTS-V nears completion, the results suggest that Cadillac's upcoming sports sedan is entering the stratosphere of the world's highest-performing cars. Cadillac announces the following performance specifications for all-new 2009 CTS-V:"

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/06/09/2009-cadillac-cts-v-will-officially-make-556-horsepower/

"Known internally as "GMX322 V S/C", the 2009 CTS-V will likely begin production in September of 2008 and reach a maximum of 7,000 units per year."

http://www.autoblog.com/2007/05/30/spy-shots-2009-cadillac-cts-v/


"CTS-V production should get under way in fall 2008 and will be limited to about 7000 units annually."

http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070619/FREE/70619001/1065


Limited to 7k units :histeric::histeric:

Show me another 7k "limited production" car. If GM thought they could sell 12k units it would "limited" to ABOUT ( :histeric:)12k units.

CIWS
07-17-08, 07:45 PM
Limited to 7k units :histeric::histeric:

Show me another 7k "limited production" car. If GM thought they could sell 12k units it would "limited" to ABOUT ( :histeric:)12k units.


Yeah ain't it funny how they're all wrong, but your right :bonkers:

Dr Chill
07-17-08, 08:56 PM
If the rollout keeps getting pushed back, it won't even be 7000.

lawfive
07-17-08, 08:58 PM
Bah, youse guise. At least argue about something worth arguing about. Like is LawFive a f a g for getting the slushbox, or is he a f a g for some other reason.

Jpjr
07-18-08, 12:01 AM
If the rollout keeps getting pushed back, it won't even be 7000.

This is unfortunately exactly right. My career is finance and GM is in very big trouble re: liquidity. They need cash, and at this point all costs associated with new products are sunk. If the car is not accretive it is at risk.

I think the V is very safe for now, but if sales do not meet expectations they will not hesitate to chop it faster than you can blink. Bragging rights used to be important, but not when survival is at stake. It is the next gen Cobalts of the world that will save GM.

StealthV
07-19-08, 10:41 AM
...survival is at stake. It is the next gen Cobalts of the world that will save GM.

So was this...

http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/chevrolet-vega-10.jpg

And this...

http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/chevrolet-citation-3.jpg

And this...

http://www.speedsportlife.com/photopost/data/1158/thumbs/cadillac_cimarron_pub_83.jpg

And this...

http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2004/04/05/187926.1-lg.jpg

And recently this...(Getting closer but still lacking something - Oh yeah, the dealership...)

http://agencyspy.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/2008_chevrolet_malibu.jpg

And...and...and...and...and...



Turn on the TV, open a newspaper, turn on the radio - What does one see and hear? TOYota TOYota, TOYota.

Marketing 101. Toyota doesn't necessarily build better cars; but they know how to market them. GM has been getting beat into submission for decades in this area and still haven't figured it out. :thepan:

Closing truck plants doesn't fix anything. They need to stay open to put the death nail in the coffin of import trucks. It's like George Castanza - GM needs to think of a plan and then do the opposite.

The Tony Show
07-19-08, 10:58 AM
Someone at GM needs to realize they can't save their way into a profit. Finding ways to cut fat is necessary, but it's good marketing and good product that will continue changing things.

CTSV_510
07-19-08, 10:04 PM
:yeah: The worst thing to do when a business is in trouble is to cut or skimp on advertising. If anything, it's a time to increase advertising and marketing. You can cut costs all you want but how are you going to profit when there's no revenue?

HiTechRV
07-20-08, 10:13 AM
GM's statements to the press all along is that the CTS-V will see production numbers that would be LIMITED to about 7000 units annually. Now perhaps you have a different definition of what limited production means. But to GM it means they're are only going to build up to a certain number annually, not unlimited. So pardon me if I choose to listen to what they say to the public / press over your opinion of it.

"Production on the new CTS V-Series will start in September of 2008, and will be limited to about 7000 units annually. Internally, GM is referring to the car as "GMX322 V S/C."

http://jalopnik.com/cars/new-cars/2009-cadillac-cts+v-305315.php

"MILFORD, Mich. - As final testing of the limited-edition 2009 CTS-V nears completion, the results suggest that Cadillac's upcoming sports sedan is entering the stratosphere of the world's highest-performing cars. Cadillac announces the following performance specifications for all-new 2009 CTS-V:"

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/06/09/2009-cadillac-cts-v-will-officially-make-556-horsepower/

"Known internally as "GMX322 V S/C", the 2009 CTS-V will likely begin production in September of 2008 and reach a maximum of 7,000 units per year."

http://www.autoblog.com/2007/05/30/spy-shots-2009-cadillac-cts-v/


"CTS-V production should get under way in fall 2008 and will be limited to about 7000 units annually."

http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070619/FREE/70619001/1065


I agree it is limited production. I do not know what the max capacity is at the plant from a production mix point of view but I have to think it is similar to running a convertible where you often cannot build 2 back to back. Then the sport wagons and coupes are coming along very quickly on top of the V.