http://blog.gmnext.com/?p=194
More to come I am sure.

Why.... No... That can't be right... The GTR only posted a 7:29 and some "bystanders" supposedly clocked the V-Spec version at an unofficial 7:25... I mean - that's just impossible! A stock production car from the General beating Godzilla?? And then (as near as makes no difference) matching an unofficial time from Godzilla on 'roids?!?!

Ludicrous!

Preposterous!!

Blasphemous!!!

Never in a million years could such a profane sacrilege possibly be true...

**This farce was brought to you by a man completely awestruck by the marvel of beauty and engineering produced by General Motors in the form of the ZR-1.**

Congrats GM for showing the world (and even this country itself) that when the American auto industry decides to stop rolling over, it can still take on the very best from around the world.

No other responses to this?

Where are the GT-R fanboys?

<crickets>

Blackout, where are you???

I'm impressed, even if it is a Corvette. :p

I wondering the same stuff.
Still dosen't take away from the fact that the car itself has a little more in it.

GTR Fan boys = shut down

Maybe they all committed suicide upon the news that their beloved GT-R can be bested?

Alright, really confused. As I read the GM release, they said "rolling start." And as I googled and read other comments, a 'rolling start' is just that, a take off about 5mph. Great I got that, but after watching the video of the GT-R's 7.29, there is nothing 'rolling' about it. This is a full-fledged 'flying lap' (lap taken at full speed).

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Does anyone have some input? So a 'flying lap' for the ZR-1 would put it in the teens?

There is a lot of speculation flying around the web about the 7.29 pass.
Lets just say both cars did a running start, with the ZR-1 proving the Fan boys wrong.

The point where the time starts entails a "rolling start" to begin with and from my understanding, most manufacturers use a flying lap for purposes of giving a lap time.

There is a lot of speculation flying around the web about the 7.29 pass.
Lets just say both cars did a running start, with the ZR-1 proving the Fan boys wrong.

That is true, but definitely wish there was something more positive. The tons of "Wow 150 more hp and 300lbs less, and it only did 3 secs better" is very mind-numbing :thepan: And if the difference really was 80mph at the start... :stirpot: :eek:

Ok now lets wait for the GTR V discussion.

Alright, really confused. As I read the GM release, they said "rolling start." And as I googled and read other comments, a 'rolling start' is just that, a take off about 5mph. Great I got that, but after watching the video of the GT-R's 7.29, there is nothing 'rolling' about it. This is a full-fledged 'flying lap' (lap taken at full speed).

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Does anyone have some input? So a 'flying lap' for the ZR-1 would put it in the teens?


The fan boy has arrived!

I think he was suggesting that the ZR-1 would have been even faster if they'd used the same method Nissan did.

Bottom line on all this 'Ring discussion is that it's a pointless argument. The Nurburgring is such a large circuit that there's too many variables involved to use it as the ultimate measuring stick. Temperature, humidity, wetness in corners, time of day, driver skill, tires, blah blah blah. You could run the same car 10 times and get ten different numbers, so what's the point? Bottom line is that the ZR-1 AND the GT-R are fast, capable cars. One just happens to be totally awesome, and the other is a computer-nannied, ugly ass rice burner.

:lol:

The fan boy has arrived!
:hmm: Maybe read all of the post? :annoyed:

Ok now lets wait for the GTR V discussion.

Nissan has become very quiet in regards to their V-Spec times (they've been claiming that it is capable of 7:25 for months now yet no evidence has surfaced to back it up). I'm beginning to think that the car doesn't have the ability to live up to the hype that has been built.

Another manufacturer that I've noticed has gone silent after Nurburgring testing is Lexus with their LF-A (unsurprisingly right after the GTR and ZR1 started talking about fast laps there). What ever became of those 7:24 rumors floating around the internet back in December? Evidence never did emerge for them. Seems that rumors and hype are all that the Japanese manufacturers are capable of lately.

:lildevil:

Nissan has become very quiet in regards to their V-Spec times (they've been claiming that it is capable of 7:25 for months now yet no evidence has surfaced to back it up). I'm beginning to think that the car doesn't have the ability to live up to the hype that has been built.

Another manufacturer that I've noticed has gone silent after Nurburgring testing is Lexus with their LF-A (unsurprisingly right after the GTR and ZR1 started talking about fast laps there). What ever became of those 7:24 rumors floating around the internet back in December? Evidence never did emerge for them. Seems that rumors and hype are all that the Japanese manufacturers are capable of lately.

:lildevil:

I'm still reading the gigantic thread on the Corvette forum for info.

:hmm: Maybe read all of the post? :annoyed:

Just playing, sorry if I caused any offense.

Just playing, sorry if I caused any offense.
D'oh!:bang2:Missed the sarcasm, my bad...

D'oh!:bang2:Missed the sarcasm, my bad...

Roger, it's cool. But as for your post, I think it's possible the ZR-1 could push the low 20s or high teens with a flying lap.

My understanding is the guy driving it was an Engineer, now granted he is a damn good driver and does a lot of this sort of thing but, I would like to see what a professional could do.

So what if the ZR-1 is faster? Speed isn't everything. The GT-R is a better all-around car. And uses more planet-friendly leather. And at 150 mph it'll cover ground faster then a Corvette doing 140. And it looks bettar, no doubt. The ZR-1 cheats too, needign a supercharged v8 to get all that power. Meh...pos car that ZR1 is. The GT-R was built by people who know people who know people who watch racing, too. Race bread petigree ftmfw!

So what if the ZR-1 is faster? Speed isn't everything. The GT-R is a better all-around car. And uses more planet-friendly leather. And at 150 mph it'll cover ground faster then a Corvette doing 140. And it looks bettar, no doubt. The ZR-1 cheats too, needign a supercharged v8 to get all that power. Meh...pos car that ZR1 is. The GT-R was built by people who know people who know people who watch racing, too. Race bread petigree ftmfw!

This post is full of spelling and logical errors, not to mention GT-R spam. God forbid an American car do anything successful without the token post about how anything foreign is superior to anything built by General Motors!

And what is this about planet-friendly leather? Leather comes from a slaughtered cow, which has absolutely nothing to do with climate change.

Of course the GT-R would cover ground faster when going ten miles faster per hour; that's physics, not Japanese automotive cult-worship.

A super-charged V-8 is not cheating, as there are no rules dictating a limit on number of cylinders used, or on the use of super-chargers.

By the way, it is "better", not "bettar".

This post is full of spelling and logical errors, not to mention GT-R spam. God forbid an American car do anything successful without the token post about how anything foreign is superior to anything built by General Motors!

And what is this about planet-friendly leather? Leather comes from a slaughtered cow, which has absolutely nothing to do with climate change.

Of course the GT-R would cover ground faster when going ten miles faster per hour; that's physics, not Japanese automotive cult-worship.

A super-charged V-8 is not cheating, as there are no rules dictating a limit on number of cylinders used, or on the use of super-chargers.

By the way, it is "better", not "bettar".


Poe's Law strikes again.

Im pretty sure concorsos post is sarcastic

Im pretty sure concorsos post is sarcastic

:yeah:

And at 150 mph it'll cover ground faster then a Corvette doing 140. I thought that was enough to show my sarcasm. :)

"people who know people who know people who watch racing" was the big tip off for me. I did get a laugh out of it too.

Sorry, didn't catch the sarcasm, man! The GT-R spam on youtube was starting to drive me crazy, and your post looked like GT-R spam, so I thought you were a fanboy. My mistake, my apologies! Happy 4th!

I wonder why no one is talking about the huge discrepancy in the 0-60 numbers? Looks like the test cars that Nissan gave Motor Trend and Edmunds.com were massive ringers, because the 3.5 and 3.3 times that they posted (respectively) sure are a long way off the 4.1 that Car and Driver recorded with the US Spec model.

Click the picture for their test results.

I wonder why no one is talking about the huge discrepancy in the 0-60 numbers? Looks like the test cars that Nissan gave Motor Trend and Edmunds.com were massive ringers, because the 3.5 and 3.3 times that they posted (respectively) sure are a long way off the 4.1 that Car and Driver recorded with the US Spec model.

Click the picture for their test results.

That is a good point Tony, although I think the guys at Car and Driver would have a hard time riding a Bicycle.

93DevilleUSMC, no offense taken, believe me. Id never criticize someone for defending the ZR1 against a GT-R fanboy.

I think people are starting to realize that Nissan has been extremely generous with times, and/or not so generous with publicized specs.

That is a good point Tony, although I think the guys at Car and Driver would have a hard time riding a Bicycle.

True, but look at the lbs per HP in that chart I posted. I just can't figure out how the fine folks at Nissan could override Sir Issac Newton.

True, but look at the lbs per HP in that chart I posted. I just can't figure out how the fine folks at Nissan could override Sir Issac Newton.

Oh no, I totally agree, I think Nissan is full of shit.:D

Since the GT-R looks like the car in your signature, replace the truck with the ZR-1.:eek::D:alchi:

93DevilleUSMC, no offense taken, believe me. Id never criticize someone for defending the ZR1 against a GT-R fanboy.

I think people are starting to realize that Nissan has been extremely generous with times, and/or not so generous with publicized specs.

LOL okay, we're cool. I just wish I'd gotten to the `09 CTS-V Forum before the fanboys did.

Comparison of the ZR1 and GT-R laps synced from the same point on the 'Ring:

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I love kicking ass. Way to go Vette!


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Id just like to congratulate GM for having the balls to make this car. It was never a problem of if they could...but moreso if the beancounters would let them. Actually, Id like to thank the beancounters for removing whatever was up their asses and finally allowing the engineers to give us domestic gearheads something to REALLY be proud of.

Comparison of the ZR1 and GT-R laps synced from the same point on the 'Ring:

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Unleash the GTR fanboys!!! Oh wait, theyre gone, seems like ZR1 is clearly hauling ass! Thanks for posting that video

I wonder how much their GT-R forums are talking about this?

I wonder if they would even post it.

If they did, it would likely be posts of denial.

The are probably taking it about as well as hte M5 forums took the CTS-V 7:59.

"But mines still a BMW!!!"