WHERE TO BUY AMERICAN GASOLINE. THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT TO KNOW. READ ON.

Gas rationing in the 70's worked even though we grumbled about it. It might even have been good for us!

Are you aware that the Saudis are boycotting American products?

Shouldn't we return the favor? Can't we take control of our own destiny and let these giant oil importers know who REALLY generates their profits, their livings? How about keeping American Dollars in America and reduce the import/export deficit?

An appealing remedy might be to boycott their GAS. Every time you fill up your car you can avoid putting more money into the coffers of Saudi Arabia . Just purchase gas from companies that don't import their oil from the Saudis.

Nothing is more frustrating than the feeling that every time I fill up my tank, I'm sending my money to people whom I get the impression w ant me, my family and my friends dead. Don't you think it might be of interest to know which oil companies import Middle Eastern oil and which do not?

These companies import Middle Eastern oil:

Shell................................... 205,742,000 barrels
Chevron/Texaco................... 144,332,000 barrels
Exxon /Mobil....................... 130,082,000 barrels
Marathon/Speedway............ 117,740,000 barrels
Amoco.................................. 62,231,000 barrels

And CITGO oil is imported from Venezuela by Dictator Hugo Chavez who hates America and openly avows our economic destruction! (We pay Chavez's regime nearly $10 Billion per year in oil revenues!)

The U.S.currently imports 5,517,000 barrels of crude oil per day from OPEC. If you do the math at $95 per barrel, that's over $524 million PER DAY ($191 BILLION per year!) handed over to OPEC, many of whose members are our confirmed enemies!!!!!

Here are some large companies that do not import Middle Eastern oil:
Sunoco........................ 0 barrels
Conoco........................ 0 bar rels
Sinclair......................... 0 barrels
BP / Phillips................. 0 barrels
Hess. .......................... 0 barrels
ARC0.......................... 0 barrels
Maverick...................... 0 barrels
Flying J. .................... 0 barrels
Valero.......................... 0 barrels
· I AM GOING TO ADD THE FOLLOWING… J

Murphy Oil USA, sold at Wal-Mart is from South Arkansas and owned by the USA.
Not only that, they give scholarships to all children in their town who finish high school and are legal US citizens.



All of this information is available from the U.S. Department of Energy and each company is required to state where they get their oil and how much they are importing.

Gasoline is a commodity shipped through pipelines. It gets into the pipeline from a multitude of refineries and no effort is made to keep it separated by source. At the delivery terminal all the different brands come out of the same hose. The only difference from truck to truck is the additives that go in when the truck is filled. Think of all the crude in the U.S. being dumped into a few big tanks by grade(sulphur Content). Refiners pump out of a tank and into their refinery depending on what grade their equipment can handle. The refined gasoline is pumped into pipelines by grade for delivery to a terminal. It's a little more complicated than that but there is no way in hell to be able to tell where the base stocks originated for any particular brand. The refinery can buy the oil on the east coast and take delivery from somebody entirely different on the west coast.

Do you think the Saudis are happy that we're upset and cutting back our useage? You need to look at the whole picture, son.

I knew this, and I buy Sunoco and BP. A big new station opened near us, selling Valero, that I never heard of. Now, I will buy that as well.

Where does QuikTrip get their oil? Actually do any other members on this board use QT?

Mom and Pop retailers get their gas from a distributor that could be getting gas from anywhere.

FTW.:thumbsup:

Gasoline is a commodity shipped through pipelines. It gets into the pipeline from a multitude of refineries and no effort is made to keep it separated by source. At the delivery terminal all the different brands come out of the same hose. The only difference from truck to truck is the additives that go in when the truck is filled. Think of all the crude in the U.S. being dumped into a few big tanks by grade(sulphur Content). Refiners pump out of a tank and into their refinery depending on what grade their equipment can handle. The refined gasoline is pumped into pipelines by grade for delivery to a terminal. It's a little more complicated than that but there is no way in hell to be able to tell where the base stocks originated for any particular brand. The refinery can buy the oil on the east coast and take delivery from somebody entirely different on the west coast.

What dkozloski states is true. However, you must consider where the crude comes from that is pumped into the refineries. The companies buy the crude from the listed sources and therefore send your money from retail purchases to acquire the crude they are getting refined. In this sense, although your gasoline is produced from the same refinery, if you buy from those companies that source their oil from outside the U.S. you are supporting the outside source.

I knew this, and I buy Sunoco and BP. A big new station opened near us, selling Valero, that I never heard of. Now, I will buy that as well.

lol, Valero was the POS gas, right next to Circle K, they were all over in FL... their shops were not that nice either. Flying J is just as bad too.

it's funny that it says Amoco uses "middle eastern" oil while BP does not..... around here, it's all "BP Amoco" the two companies combied... so what is it?

I remember reading on a pump at a Marathon it said owned and operated by Americans... not sure what that ment.

Chevron is my top choice of gas, then Shell..... the top tier stuff seems to be true and their gas does seem to be better. After that BP Amoco is my choice.

I didnt compose this list, Nightwolf. The BP listing is a bit confusing but, my take is that BP (British Petroleum/Getty Oil) purchased Phillips Petroleum as well as American Oil several years ago. The management teams for the respective acquired brands were left in tact and would be responsible to BP for their profit/loss. They will operate as BP/Amoco and BP/Phillips for marketing purposes and not to estrange any brand loyalty. (remember the ads that referred to BP as "better petroleum" rather than British Petroleum)
The idea of "top tier" gasoline was created by the ad agencies on Madison Ave. as a marketing tool for several major oil companies. The idea is to sell the idea that there is a grading system for gasoline. You need to ask who does the grading. Is it the Fed, auto makers, the oil companies? Do you notice an increase in performance or mileage when "top tier" fuel is used? It certainly can be argued that some of the additives are good and most all companies use them in one form or another, "top tier" rated or not.

Actually, "top tier" was coined by GM and other car companies to designate those gasolines which use TECHRON as a supplement to their detergent additive package. The most basic additive package for all gasolines is determined by the EPA. Chevron (which licenses the TECHRON use), Shell, Texaco, and several midwest refiners are in the "top tier" group. In addition to GM, there are 5 or 6 automobile manufacturers that recommend "top tier" fuels.

Google "top tier" and "techron".

Hmmm... it seemed like it had been a while since this thing made the rounds.

Middle Eastern oil isn't the problem... oil in general is. It doesn't make a lick of difference where it comes from - gouging is gouging. Now that the "market" has taken an interest, it's all about profits.... consumers be damned.

I just keep hoping that we're finally at the point where some real, concerted efforts are made towards alternative fuels. All I know for sure is that I hope everyone who has been trading in oil as of late looses their shirts.

Of course it matters where our oil comes from! That is the point of this post.
Price is another issue entirely. We are feeding the hand that will love to take western world down. If that really doesn't matter to you then, you need to reevaluate your allegiance to this nation and educate yourself about the current teachings of Islam.

http://www.google.com/search?q=current+teachings+of+islam&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

btw what does religion have to do with oil/gas?

and how is not buying gas from a certain brand going to make a difference?

they way i see it is like this:

if i stop buying gas at station X for whatever reason and convince everyone in town to stop buying gas from station X then the local owner of that station is going to suffer. the 'fat cats' up the ladder won't feel a thing

so a local business goes under so i can feel like i've made a difference?
doesn't make sense to me really

i'm with AMGoff -- oil in general is the problem, not where it comes from

if you really want to stick it to the Muslims then try this

http://www.teslamotors.com/
0-60 in 3.9s!!

then get solar panels on your roof to charge the car
you'll be totally off the petroleum train!

videos of the tesla in action:
http://qik.com/video/71134
http://www.calacanis.com/2007/11/05/tesla-roadster-test-drive/
http://valleywag.com/358015/in-scoble-vs-calacanis-musks-tesla-wins

Of course it matters where our oil comes from! That is the point of this post.
Price is another issue entirely. We are feeding the hand that will love to take western world down. If that really doesn't matter to you then, you need to reevaluate your allegiance to this nation and educate yourself about the current teachings of Islam.Oh please, that's just uneducated panic-speak at work. Sure, I wish the wackjobs in the middle east didn't make money on oil. But they'll get their money from someone. Nevermind the fact that you ignore how small an amount of oil we actually get from the Middle East.

I'm sick and tired of the whiners who throw out stats and just expect us take it on its own merit. Show a congruent thought surrounded by facts that aren't tainted please...

What has oil got to do with religion?
I'll try to make it simple. The largest oil producing nations on earth are in the middle east. These middle eastern nations are dominated by a single religion which is Islam. Every aspect of the governments and lives of the people of these nations is patterned and controlled by the Islamic Mullahs who teach that the laws of Islam dictate that those who do not follow Islam must be destroyed. Our western culture is the primary target of this religious philosophy and we as well as the Europeans have felt the effects of this. The western world runs on oil which is vital for it's economic impact. By regulating the flow and price of crude, those who want to destroy we "infidels" have a huge weapon which can cripple the western economies.
By buying gasoline from companies who purchase crude from U.S. sources you not only aid the US economy but you encourage our congress to open new areas for exploration . It is estimated that the US has far more oil than Saudi Arabia that has never been tapped because our congress has prohibited exploration in these areas. Oil is the problem but, it is complicated by environmental, religious, and legislative issues.

American Oil FTW!

Question: Back in the late 19th century and early 20th century, most of the oil we had came from the south...correct? When did we start importing our oil?

If anybody took the time to research where anything they buy comes from no one would buy anything.

Everytime you shop at Wal-Mart you send our money overseas to support the Red Chinese Goverment and look how they treat their own people. AND they want us dead.
So what?
How many people look for a "made in the USA" label when they buy anything these days?
Does the government of the country you bought your cellular phone from support your personal moral beliefs?
How about that TV, that DVD player, the stereo you just bought for your car, your wheels, who manufactured your window tint?
What about the oil company that makes your engine oil, where do they get their stock from? What about the parts store you bought it from, who owns that, how does he spend his money? How about your local grocery store? Where do they get all their items from? How about the guy that drives the truck that delivers the groceries to the store? What does he spend his money on?

No one ever stops to think about how their money is being spent by the people they give it to.
I buy gas where I buy gas because it is close to my house and because my car runs great on it.
Maybe that makes me lazy and stupid but if you want to sit an analyze where your money goes then I'd be willing to bet that you'd be a lot more shocked than simply giving a few bucks to some Saudi prince so he can buy another Lamborghini.

By the way, I see some real nice typecasting and racism up there, assigning the belief to all Islamic people that the white devil must die. Way to watch the news and spew the tripe they fed you.
As stated, worthless statistics can be found to prove anything, so what?

Not buying gas at one station and buying it at another is stupid for so many reasons I can't even count them all.

The convenience store clerk is probably just going to take his money and go buy dope anyway, so congratulations on supporting some guys drug habit :lol:

Everyone is crying because the oil companies are making a whopping profit margin of 6%.
What about the 15% the government is making? Yeah, that's right... they don't do anything except make regulations to limit the oil companies and they get to make almost 4 times as much profit as the oil companies that had to get the oil and process and distribute it. Where is their accountability?

.... whatever....

The world is a confusing place. :(

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I'm sure this discussion was started with the best of intensions.. Unfortunately, things are more complicated than what they seem at first..

Buying gasoline is like buying electricity off the grid. You have no idea how it got into the system and no idea where the hell it's coming out. Make yourself a doll representing the oil company you don't like and stick pins in it. It'll be more to the point. Har! Har!

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Great posts Koz.

Buying gasoline is like buying electricity off the grid. You have no idea how it got into the system and no idea where the hell it's coming out. Make yourself a doll representing the oil company you don't like and stick pins in it. It'll be more to the point. Har! Har!

Agreed! But the question is where that oil company is going to purchase its next load of crude to send to the refinery. Sure, as you say, it all comes out of the same pipe in the end. But to stay in business, the oil companies must replenish their supplies of crude. The companies take the money yielded from retails sales and reinvests in new crude from foreign or domestic sources. That is where the concern is. I don't suggest that anyone boycott all oil companies but, rather take some kind of action rather than sit on our a**es and accept whatever is given. Wheather you want to reduce your driving, buy from oil companies that use U.S. crude, drive a Prius, or carpool, you are doing something. However, the choice is yours.

As Lord Cadillac stated, this is a complicated issue.
It is complicated and a solution will never be found by being passive and doing nothing.

The U.S., from consumer to producer to investor to government, was asleep at the switch when our so-called "third world" countries began going capitalist and consuming more oil (and everything else from computers to Barbie Dolls). The absolute inability of our people, business, and government to react to change over a span of less than 25 years is truly pathetic. This country is not, by any stretch of the imagination, the world power of 1930 or 1966. It's gone forever, pissed away by people who care more for their own quivering pink ass than the common good.

Buying gasoline is like buying electricity off the grid. You have no idea how it got into the system and no idea where the hell it's coming out. Make yourself a doll representing the oil company you don't like and stick pins in it. It'll be more to the point. Har! Har!

you obviously work in the industry or your close relation to the pipeline has informed you well in your years.....

i posted the info on our TBSS forum and one of the SUPER SLEUTHS found almost the EXACT email on a research/debunk website....

i also grew up around Texas City which is the refiner capital for Texas and have had generations of relatives including my father that have spent their entire BACK's value keeping these refiners alive.....so i too was VERY SKEPTICAL regarding the information based on my own knowledge.....

i will not liter the thread with copying the information for it is quite extenstensive but here is the link......

http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/saudigas.asp

I think that pretty much says everything right there.
Thanks for the link.

Pretty funny that it echoes in the last paragraph what I have been saying for the last 10 years.
Wonder when that message is going to hit home?

How much is gas going to have to cost for people to change their driving habits? Although since it hit $4 I have actually seen people make changes and statistics show that mass transit is really picking up.
We have people at my shop that live far out carpooling too.
Too bad it took this to make people actually think about doing intelligent things.

I hold no malice towards anyone here, even if I disagree with your opinion. It is a free country, believe what you want but do some research before you start shouting from the rooftops about some chain email you got.
That stuff doesn't even really make sense, it is just a play for the tin foil hat crowd.

If you can change your driving habits it will make a difference in quantity and therefore total cost of gasoline. We live on a 4 x 14 mile island oriented N/S on the east side of the Chesapeake Bay. The island is split essentially in half by the E/W crossing of US50/301, and there are only 3 ways to go from the top half to the lower or vice versa. So we have learned to plan our trips into a "round robin"......head S and do your shopping, whatever, on that side first, moving E, return to the N side of 50 shop, and wind up back home after having made a circle. (Before, we just took 2 vehicles and went here and there.) We also have cut back on occasional long drives to dinner or brunch. While the cost of gas has steadily risen, our use has dropped by over 30%, and that's a lot when you live in a semi-suburban/rural area. As eWill3rd noted, the local bus service has just added 2 more large commuter units from here to the outskirts of DC and Baltimore, connecting to light rail stations. That bus service was nearly out of business 4 years ago, and now they're hopping. There's also quite a lot of van service starting up and carpooling......the park n' rides are full. Not easy for everyone, but it works here.

Of course it matters where our oil comes from! That is the point of this post.
Price is another issue entirely. We are feeding the hand that will love to take western world down. If that really doesn't matter to you then, you need to reevaluate your allegiance to this nation and educate yourself about the current teachings of Islam.

I need to reevaluate my allegiance to this nation? Why is that? Because you opened up your inbox and found a piece of junk email that's been circulating around the web for years now? More to the point... an email that does little to address the real problem?

Also... I'm not going to go into an in-depth debate about the whole "teachings of Islam" thing for two reasons - A.) This forum isn't a place for such things, and B.) I'm not going to indulge your ignorance and/or bias on the subject. Islam on the whole, is a peaceful religion... and I'm sure the countless Muslim-Americans would be just as offended, if not more (and rightfully so) as I am by such sentiments. You're confusing all Muslims for jihadists... A religion hasn't been attacking us - people have... people with their own selfish, personal agendas. Have we learned nothing from history?? Categorizing and subsequently hating entire groups of people has only led to horrific tragedies which scar the human race for many generation to follow. So with all due respect... you might want to educate yourself before making such comments... Simply reading the "Cliffs Notes" and waving a flag does not an educated American make.

But back to my original point... I reiterate - Middle Eastern oil isn't the problem... Oil in general is. As has been pointed out by others, a small amount of our oil comes from the Middle East. In fact, we get almost as much oil from Venezuela as we do from the Saudis... yet, I don't see you complaining about the likes of Hugo Chavez.

What are we to do... completely cut ourselves off from Middle Eastern oil?? Will your "allegiance" help your wallet to gladly swallow the 20% increase in prices? Because that's essentially what will happen... our supply will shrink by 20-some percent while our demand stays the same.

Just buying "American" oil will do ZERO, ZILCH, NOTHING to address the larger problem.... only an extremely simplistic and dare I say - naive point of view would look at it as such. Just buying "American" will not help our economy in any way whatsoever - we're already buying as much American oil as we can and we're in no position to limit our supply. Just buying "American" will not hurt Middle Eastern producers whatsoever because they're still going to sell their oil - just not to us.

Once again... the problem isn't Middle Eastern oil... It's oil, period. So until we fully develop viable alternatives to oil in an effort to decrease overall demand, drivel like this is largely moot.

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Okay by me... what more is there to be said? :lol:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/saudigas.asp

Oh, I do look for Made in America every chance I get...no WallyWorld for me.


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http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/saudigas.asp

Oh, I do look for Made in America every chance I get...no WallyWorld for me.


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Beat me to it. People get these chain mails and react without knowing what research has been done to draw these conclusions. They will try to rationalize them even though they are built on sand. As was said before, the world is a complicated place.