: What will it take to get 200 MPH from the 09 V?



V-Love
06-19-08, 02:20 AM
The manual is supposed to be capable of 191 MPH. I was wondering how much effort the gurus think it would take to make this a solid 200 MPH car? By solid, I mean 205. Are we talkin' a new pully for the supercharger, new gears, or a simple tweak of the CPU? Will the automatic even have a chance at 200? I want to join the 200 club before its all over.
Will it really take 5 miles to get there(StealthV)?

Vrocks
06-19-08, 10:47 AM
Start with a 6spd V2 and take out the LSA (someone will buy it) and put in an LS9 - lower the car a little and it should be close to 200mph.

Even after that, you may need to up the HP on the LS9 and get smaller side view mirrors to deduce drag (I'd also get the car without a sunroof and the final drive ratio may need to be changed).

thebigjimsho
06-19-08, 11:18 AM
Is the top speed drag limited or redline limited??

GNSCOTT
06-19-08, 01:01 PM
I have a feeling abother 200hp may do it.

Kidhummer
06-19-08, 03:59 PM
what about increasing the automatic top speed to 191?

StealthV
06-19-08, 10:07 PM
The TR6060 equipped V in stock form is drag limited at 5600 rpm in the low 190s and the math shows another 50 lb-ft of torque needed to crack 200 mph. And yes, to reach terminal velocity takes miles.

Stock LSA
http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=42868&stc=1&d=1213924030

lawfive
06-19-08, 10:13 PM
you may need to up the HP on the LS9 and get smaller side view mirrors to deduce drag


I have a feeling abother 200hp may do it

deduce?

abother?

IBTBJS

StealthV
06-19-08, 10:24 PM
http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=42869&stc=1&d=1213924845


http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=42870&stc=1&d=1213925011

StealthV
06-19-08, 10:27 PM
Deciphering the graphs, taking two miles to go from zero to 185 mph in 60 seconds is too damn fast for just about anywhere in the world.

lawfive
06-19-08, 10:27 PM
I'll bet if you put it in the back of a C-5A and dropped it from 40,000 feet it would manage to exceed a 200 mph terminal velocity. Even without mods. Especially if you could somehow manage to keep its nose pointed down.

StealthV
06-19-08, 11:54 PM
I can call in a favor and get a Galaxy if we can push your '09 V out the back. :)

thebigjimsho
06-20-08, 12:37 AM
How about a set of B&B headers w/ gutted cats and a StealthV tune?:bouncy:

z06bigbird
06-20-08, 12:46 AM
I'll bet if you put it in the back of a C-5A and dropped it from 40,000 feet it would manage to exceed a 200 mph terminal velocity. Even without mods. Especially if you could somehow manage to keep its nose pointed down.

Either that, or take it on a race track. Hopefully, no one is foolish enough to try such speeds on public highways.

thebigjimsho
06-20-08, 12:52 AM
poop.

atdeneve
06-20-08, 07:43 AM
The TR6060 equipped V in stock form is drag limited at 5600 rpm in the low 190s and the math shows another 50 lb-ft of torque needed to crack 200 mph. And yes, to reach terminal velocity takes miles.

Stock LSA
http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=42868&stc=1&d=1213924030


http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=42869&stc=1&d=1213924845


http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=42870&stc=1&d=1213925011


Deciphering the graphs, taking two miles to go from zero to 185 mph in 60 seconds is too damn fast for just about anywhere in the world.

That's what i was just looking at. Except in 60 seconds, it looks like it's actually at damn near 190 mph (188Mph) in 2.5 miles. Just crazy. Nearly at it's top speed of 191 (plus or minus, since it may be a bit more) within 60 seconds. In 2 miles it hits 185 in 50 seconds. Ridiculudicrous.

StealthV, you have fun graphs. Yay. :thumbsup:

onebadcad
06-20-08, 05:02 PM
StealthV,
Nice graphs, the V2 looks like it will do 0-100mph in around +/-9.25sec, which is damn good based on the almost-1,000lb-ligher C6Z doing the same in 7.50secs; also found M5 listed at 10.30secs and E63 at 9.50secs. I am not quoting sources for any of the three above, as I just used the first time I could find.

BTW, ran for a few seconds with a M5 E60 yesterday in my C6 in 4th gear on a four-lane interestate, and the M5 is no slouch, neither pulled. I do not know what mods he had, but based on his willingness to run I doubt it was stock.

Back to topic, doubt it will need much more the TBJS said, 200mph is yours for about $3K. But no owners are going to mod these under warranty,,,

csp3000
06-20-08, 06:08 PM
no owners are going to mod these under warranty,,,

:tisk:

lawfive
06-20-08, 08:34 PM
no mods

so say we all

StealthV
06-20-08, 08:47 PM
Should we get a pool going on how long it will be from the time Vs are available to when there's a cannonball run movie of some dark Florida or Texas highway showing a 190 mph speedo reading on http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/images/editor/youtube.gif with mile-spaced interstate underpasses clicking by in less than 20 seconds?

lawfive
06-20-08, 08:54 PM
Hmmm... 85 degrees... pool sounds good...

StealthV
06-20-08, 09:02 PM
What??? The ice has melted off yours already? We've still got the heater cranked to keep from turning blue.

There's nothing worse than shrinkage.

lawfive
06-21-08, 03:03 PM
Yes there is. I could tell you about it, but I hesitate to describe advanced sexual techniques here as they may be painful or even harmful to neophytes that may read this and then try it.

RightTurn
06-21-08, 09:20 PM
What??? The ice has melted off yours already? We've still got the heater cranked to keep from turning blue.

There's nothing worse than shrinkage.
:eek:

Yes there is. I could tell you about it, but I hesitate to describe advanced sexual techniques here as they may be painful or even harmful to neophytes that may read this and then try it.

:food-snacking:

V-Love
06-22-08, 02:37 AM
Should we get a pool going on how long it will be from the time Vs are available to when there's a cannonball run movie of some dark Florida or Texas highway showing a 190 mph speedo reading on http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/images/editor/youtube.gif with mile-spaced interstate underpasses clicking by in less than 20 seconds?

Better watch for dem gators on the roads but it won't take more than 3 days. I think you were the first 166. I wonder how much trouble I would get in if I just ran the banks instead of doing the road course at Homestead? Its just a few cones blocking the Nascar turns. I wonder if V2 would hold enough speed through the turns to get the top end #'s. What could they do, kick me out of the club?

StealthV
06-22-08, 10:44 PM
Ja, gators at speed would hurt or a herd of those darn armadillo speed bumps.

Thunk. Crunch. Squeal. Shatter. Tumble, tumble, tumble.

Think insurance will be more since the new V can go stuipd fast?

HiTechRV
06-23-08, 02:26 PM
Better watch for dem gators on the roads but it won't take more than 3 days. I think you were the first 166. I wonder how much trouble I would get in if I just ran the banks instead of doing the road course at Homestead? Its just a few cones blocking the Nascar turns. I wonder if V2 would hold enough speed through the turns to get the top end #'s. What could they do, kick me out of the club?


That would be a lot of fun. I don't think you'd get the car to top out at Homestead unless the straights are loooooong.

V-Love
06-23-08, 08:14 PM
I think insurance will go up cause now they know what they are. When I insured my first V it was stupid cheap because they thought it was a regular CTS. They covered my wreck too. Now I do it under the business. Its much cheaperfor me that way.
As for Homestead, I wonder if I could just hold the pedal down the whole way. Mabey lifting a little on transitions. The banks are impressive and the turns are big, and wide.

P-Funk
06-24-08, 04:42 PM
I think insurance will go up cause now they know what they are. When I insured my first V it was stupid cheap because they thought it was a regular CTS. They covered my wreck too. Now I do it under the business. Its much cheaperfor me that way.
As for Homestead, I wonder if I could just hold the pedal down the whole way. Mabey lifting a little on transitions. The banks are impressive and the turns are big, and wide.

Depends on your insurance provider and your record. When I got the insurance for my V, I had the guy run the numbers for several different cars just out of curiosity. The difference between having a little Toyota (yuck!) or Malibu and a Corvette or Porche was around $50 over 6 months.

verbs
06-26-08, 04:52 AM
How about a set of B&B headers w/ gutted cats and a StealthV tune?:bouncy:

I really hope you're joking, that might get you say 2-3mph depending on if the tune can up boost. It's going to take at least another 150hp to do it in a reasonable distance (not 5 miles).

hcvone
06-26-08, 10:07 AM
StealthV,
But no owners are going to mod these under warranty,,,

I had no problem taking a new Z06 and pulling the engine out to put a new twin turbo engine in, because we all know 500 hp is just not enough, would do a CTSv if it was this year the 2 door model was made, just can not get anyone willing to sell a ZR1 at less than 50k over sticker, but that will probably change in the near future. :)

thebigjimsho
06-26-08, 11:53 AM
I really hope you're joking, that might get you say 2-3mph depending on if the tune can up boost. It's going to take at least another 150hp to do it in a reasonable distance (not 5 miles).You really suck at reading things in context...

StealthV
06-26-08, 05:52 PM
Time/Distance to go from Zero to 190 mph


Stock = 68.8 seconds / 2.9 miles
+150 lb-ft (168 hp) = 32.8 seconds / 1.2 miles

Max airspeed velocity (African or European?) with the extra power is ~210 mph.
http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=43009&stc=1&d=1214513529

V-Love
07-02-08, 03:23 AM
Thats amazing! 150 ft/lbs (168HP) cuts it more than 1/2.
Someone need to open a super track with 3 mile straights. There is Bonneville, I guess.

StealthV
07-02-08, 12:39 PM
There are lots of tracks. We just need to get change the American culture, laws and drivers so the left lane is only for flat-footing it.

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atdeneve
07-02-08, 03:11 PM
We have a visionary amongst us.

StealthV
07-02-08, 11:42 PM
It's the result of spending time in Europe and observing how our interstate system should work.* After all, it is a cheapened copy of the Autobahn.

*Well except for the part about being mirror grazed by Italian crotch rockets traveling at ludicrous speed down the centerline between cars. :thumbsup:

O89UWHnFUl0

StealthV
07-02-08, 11:46 PM
^^^ Wish we could make the LSA engine sound like that.

Anyone up for a crankshaft swap?

LITTLEELVISDAN
07-02-08, 11:57 PM
Would the CTC-V do 200 out of the box? It should have a lower drag cof. and be lighter.

Kidhummer
07-06-08, 11:37 PM
The auto V is limited to 175 . If we did a gear change; how much hp would it take to get it to go 191 and accelerate as fast as the manual. What gears would you need?

edsuski
07-07-08, 01:21 AM
I thnk we are missing the obvious. To see 200 MPH on the Speed-O in a manual - all you need is a tail wind.

Mystical_Ice
07-07-08, 02:35 AM
StealthV,
BTW, ran for a few seconds with a M5 E60 yesterday in my C6 in 4th gear on a four-lane interestate, and the M5 is no slouch, neither pulled. I do not know what mods he had, but based on his willingness to run I doubt it was stock.


good lord man. that must've been a monster M5 to run with a 600+RWHP corvette.

Mystical_Ice
07-07-08, 02:37 AM
I really hope you're joking, that might get you say 2-3mph depending on if the tune can up boost. It's going to take at least another 150hp to do it in a reasonable distance (not 5 miles).

true, BUT if you CAN tune up the boost, another 3 or 4 PSI would work wonders :)

Silverspeed
07-08-08, 05:21 PM
good lord man. that must've been a monster M5 to run with a 600+RWHP corvette.

Unless he has more mods than are listed in his profile or unless he's running 10 pounds of boost on a stock bottom end, i doubt he's making 600rwhp. Either way, even on a minimal boosted C6 he should be making at least 500-550 which should be more than enough to lay waste to almost any M5, even from a highway roll. So yea, he must have raced a monster.

HiTechRV
07-08-08, 11:34 PM
[QUOTE=StealthV;1559210]Time/Distance to go from Zero to 190 mph

[/INDENT]Max airspeed velocity (African or European?) with the extra power is ~210 mph.

LMAO at the swallow reference!

StealthV
07-10-08, 02:10 AM
Supercharged Armaments, Chapter Two, Verses Nine through Twenty-one: And Heinrocket raised V2 up on high, saying, "O Lord, bless this thy American uber sedan, that with it thou mayst blow thine Eurotrash enemies away on the track, in thy mercy."

And the Lord did grin. And the people did feast upon the lambs and sloths, and carp and anchovies, and orangutans and breakfast cereals, and fruit-bats and large chu...

And the Lord spake, saying, "First shalt thou put thy lever in gear one. Then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then gunnest thy Holy V2 of Lansing away from thy foe, who, being naughty in my sight, shall be a BMW blurr in thy review mirror."

onebadcad
07-10-08, 03:16 AM
Unless he has more mods than are listed in his profile or unless he's running 10 pounds of boost on a stock bottom end, i doubt he's making 600rwhp. Either way, even on a minimal boosted C6 he should be making at least 500-550 which should be more than enough to lay waste to almost any M5, even from a highway roll. So yea, he must have raced a monster.

C6 has pulley swap, 4.10", needs some dyno time--has downloaded tune.
Previous dyno was 520RWHP, with 4.63" pulley at 6-7psi.
Pulley swap puts it at 10+psi, I figure 600RWHP should be about right.
I was in 4th at about 75mph, should have went to 3rd and pulled up to 105mph and then hit 4th, but too lazy and did not expect M5 to be that powerful-he also had a passenger, I was solo. He came back at me for more, but I was cruising at 85+ and not a fan of pushing 130+ in traffic. Not embarassed to be truthful, don't think he would hang from a dig, but also think his confidence/willingness proves he had some money under the hood.
Have also ran modded M3 and 335tt in the V, and both were impressive.
Probably will never own a BMW, at least not new-too pricey, but have respect for them, fit and finish is impressive. Drove my B-I-L's brand new loaded 335, and damn nice, just gotta figure out those paddles,,,
Also drove his new SL550, and that is nice, not fast, but damn impressive.
Back to the racing, beware of any pricey German car that wants to race, usually they are coming to the gunfight with both barrels loaded.

DoctorV8
07-17-08, 03:16 AM
Time/Distance to go from Zero to 190 mph


Stock = 68.8 seconds / 2.9 miles
+150 lb-ft (168 hp) = 32.8 seconds / 1.2 miles

Max airspeed velocity (African or European?) with the extra power is ~210 mph.
http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=43009&stc=1&d=1214513529

With the extra 150 lb ft, the car did 185 in the standing mile, which matches my Lingenfelter 415 stroker ZR-1. Wow.

What mods were done to this car? Was it done with the stock 1900 series TVS blower, or was the 2300 required?

I wonder if the larger 2300 series unit will be a direct swap.....

StealthV
07-19-08, 11:25 AM
The performance baseline and improvement* with more power are the results of crunching numbers based on the few known details of the '09 V along with some assumptions. It's in the ballpark but no where as precise as GM's own internal numbers and real world data.

Note for posterity - These are TR6060 stick numbers only; not slushbox.

*The process of achieving the extra power has a name - Mod Hell. :lildevil:

HiTechRV
07-20-08, 02:52 PM
Supercharged Armaments, Chapter Two, Verses Nine through Twenty-one: And Heinrocket raised V2 up on high, saying, "O Lord, bless this thy American uber sedan, that with it thou mayst blow thine Eurotrash enemies away on the track, in thy mercy."

And the Lord did grin. And the people did feast upon the lambs and sloths, and carp and anchovies, and orangutans and breakfast cereals, and fruit-bats and large chu...

And the Lord spake, saying, "First shalt thou put thy lever in gear one. Then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then gunnest thy Holy V2 of Lansing away from thy foe, who, being naughty in my sight, shall be a BMW blurr in thy review mirror."

Have you heard about that V2? It's a monster, with big pointy teeth!

lawfive
07-20-08, 06:50 PM
Run away! Run away!!!