: Weekend Wheels -- BMW Z3 Roadster



gdwriter
06-14-08, 12:28 AM
A couple of weeks ago, a friend asked me if I'd be interested in detailing her husband's car. For his 50th birthday in 2005, she put a down payment on a 2002 BMW Z3 roadster. Even if she wasn't paying me $100 to do the detail job, I'd still want to do it since I have the car for the weekend. And the weather is now perfect for top-down motoring.

I had driven the car back when she bought it, but didn't get to really see what it could do. So after my Friday-after-work golf game, I swapped cars with her and drove it home. Took one of the back roads with some sweepers, dips and rolls and a few 90-degree turns. Damn, this thing is fun. It's got the 3.0 engine, and I had forgotten how silky smooth and powerful BMW's straight six is. It's amazing how fast you can get going without even trying.

I'll likely take it over my favorite roller coaster road this weekend (the one I shot video of in Cruella and Betty last spring). That was with a borrowed video camera or I'd video the drive in the Bimmer. But I'll just have to post a drive report.

Will post pictures tomorrow after the detail job is done.

Playdrv4me
06-14-08, 02:13 AM
Damn, this thing is fun. It's got the 3.0 engine, and I had forgotten how silky smooth and powerful BMW's straight six is.

That motor defines the entire brand better than any other solitary BMW characteristic I could EVER think of.

Night Wolf
06-14-08, 08:31 AM
How does the 2.5L M20 I6 used in the E30 compare in terms of smoothness and power delivery?

I~LUV~Caddys8792
06-14-08, 08:58 AM
German made inline sixes. :cool2:

Jesda
06-14-08, 01:56 PM
The Z3 is a car I lusted over heavily as a kid. Dad wanted one but mom wouldnt let him. I'd have wrecked it anyway.

http://www.seriouswheels.com/images/a_BMW_Z3_5.jpg

A decade ago you could buy a $2000 fiberglass body kit that turned the Miata into a Z3. It looked AMAZING. The only giveaway was the interior with the Mazda steering wheel.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
06-14-08, 03:09 PM
I'm sure it's an awesome vehicle to drive down some backwoods county roads on a sunday morning, but I just never cared for the way it looked....it's way too feminine for my tastes...it just gives off a girly vibe. The Z4 (or Z8 :drool: ) is a much better looking car, even though it's much more avant-garde.

On a related note, now that summer is actually here, (and after riding in my friend's brother's '92 Camaro) I've got convertibles on the mind! I've been thinking about what I would get if I had the money for an additional car and wanted to spend it on a convertible..

- 1971-72 Eldorado.
- 1995-02 Camaro Z-28/SS.
- 1991-92 Z-28/Trans AM
- 1995-99 VR-4 Spyder
- 1991-01 Mercedes Benz SL

Jesda
06-14-08, 04:17 PM
The Z4, with its sagging lines, looks like an old woman in a bikini.

gary88
06-14-08, 04:20 PM
Too bad they don't make a Crown Vic convertible :(

c5 rv
06-14-08, 04:28 PM
I scratched this itch with a 91 Allante. My wife and I have been out twice in it today. It's nice riding in a convertible with wide comfortable seats, elbow room, and a design design that allows you to carry on a normal conversation with the top down. I should have discovered this car years ago.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
06-14-08, 04:49 PM
Ah yes, the Allante, another one to add to my list. Especially a 1993.

Jesda
06-14-08, 07:50 PM
I saw a Northstar Allante at the supermarket across the street. No coolant drips and perfect paint, along with OEM chrome wheels. *sigh* So gorgeous.

c5 rv
06-14-08, 08:51 PM
Ah yes, the Allante, another one to add to my list. Especially a 1993.


I used to think that, too, until I read enough of the Allante threads. I decided a 91 or 92 was a better choice.

dirt_cheap_fleetwood
06-14-08, 09:02 PM
I want a 1957 Ford Fairlane Skyliner with the retractable hard top. You had to open the trunk, stick in a giant bar and manually crank the top down. I love the size of that car.



http://files.conceptcarz.com/img/Ford/57-Ford_Fairlane_Skyliner_DV-08-CC_04.jpg

http://files.conceptcarz.com/img/Ford/57-Ford_Fairlane_Skyliner_DV-08-CC_07.jpg

http://files.conceptcarz.com/img/Ford/57-Ford-Fairlane_500-Skylnr-red_DV-06-HHA_03.jpg

http://files.conceptcarz.com/img/Ford/57_Ford_Fairlane_500_Conv_DV-06_PBI_014.jpg

Eric Kahn
06-14-08, 10:23 PM
the skyliner had a power top, there was no provision whatsoever to move it manually

here is my latest ride
http://home.fuse.net/kubla/go4.JPG

orconn
06-14-08, 10:43 PM
I want a 1957 Ford Fairlane Skyliner with the retractable hard top. You had to open the trunk, stick in a giant bar and manually crank the top down. I love the size of that car.



http://files.conceptcarz.com/img/Ford/57-Ford_Fairlane_Skyliner_DV-08-CC_04.jpg

http://files.conceptcarz.com/img/Ford/57-Ford_Fairlane_Skyliner_DV-08-CC_07.jpg

http://files.conceptcarz.com/img/Ford/57-Ford-Fairlane_500-Skylnr-red_DV-06-HHA_03.jpg

http://files.conceptcarz.com/img/Ford/57_Ford_Fairlane_500_Conv_DV-06_PBI_014.jpg

Sorry, if you were in love with the concept of the "manual" top ...... it was power operated. However, they were very prone to failure and rattled like a sob even compared to a conventional convertible of the day. The rag top convertibles were much better looking; being absent the big back end the hard top required.

orconn
06-14-08, 10:59 PM
I'm sure it's an awesome vehicle to drive down some backwoods county roads on a sunday morning, but I just never cared for the way it looked....it's way too feminine for my tastes...it just gives off a girly vibe. The Z4 (or Z8 :drool: ) is a much better looking car, even though it's much more avant-garde.

On a related note, now that summer is actually here, (and after riding in my friend's brother's '92 Camaro) I've got convertibles on the mind! I've been thinking about what I would get if I had the money for an additional car and wanted to spend it on a convertible..

- 1971-72 Eldorado.
- 1995-02 Camaro Z-28/SS.
- 1991-92 Z-28/Trans AM
- 1995-99 VR-4 Spyder
- 1991-01 Mercedes Benz SL

My problem with the recent crop of convertibles is the windshield slopes and extends so far back over the cockpit that the driver doesn't get the full glorious effect of the convertibles of yore! If I wanted to get a convertible as a second hobby car I'd get an older one from the '60s or '70s. knowing your love of Mercedes you might want to check out one of their SLs of those decades.

orconn
06-14-08, 11:00 PM
The Z4, with its sagging lines, looks like an old woman in a bikini.

Bravo! Well put young sir!

Playdrv4me
06-14-08, 11:04 PM
Ah yes, the Allante, another one to add to my list. Especially a 1993.

You want a '92. Avoid N*.

Playdrv4me
06-14-08, 11:05 PM
How does the 2.5L M20 I6 used in the E30 compare in terms of smoothness and power delivery?

They're all world-class powerplants Rick... Obviously the newer motor is a bit smoother and higher in power, but the inline 6 is BMWs forte regardless of what year it is.

dirt_cheap_fleetwood
06-15-08, 12:19 AM
Sorry, if you were in love with the concept of the "manual" top ...... it was power operated. However, they were very prone to failure and rattled like a sob even compared to a conventional convertible of the day. The rag top convertibles were much better looking; being absent the big back end the hard top required.

Really? I swear I saw one once that was manually operated. Maybe he had jerry-rigged it or something.

I would want the hardtop one because I like the the big back end. I have always liked the bigger cars, especially if they came with a nice long, flat hood and trunk.

gdwriter
06-15-08, 01:42 AM
I'm sure it's an awesome vehicle to drive down some backwoods county roads on a sunday morning, but I just never cared for the way it looked....it's way too feminine for my tastes...it just gives off a girly vibe. The Z4 (or Z8 :drool: ) is a much better looking car, even though it's much more avant-garde.The Z4 to my eyes looks like another Bangle hatchet job.

The Z3 doesn't look at all feminine to me. Maybe it's from washing and waxing the thing today, but the sinewy bulges around the wheels make it look muscular and athletic.

gdwriter
06-15-08, 02:20 AM
As promised, pictures:

http://www.gdwriter.q45.org/DSC02352.jpg

http://www.gdwriter.q45.org/DSC02359.jpg

http://www.gdwriter.q45.org/DSC02361.jpg

These were taken around dusk after I finished the detail job. Wash, clay bar, two coats of wax, Sandy's world-famous Dove soap treatment on the interior and steam vac on the carpet and floor mats.

Driving this car is an absolute pleasure. I love that torquey six, especially when powering out of a turn. Superb cornering and a reasonably good ride, except for truly crappy pavement.

I've driven a couple of Porsche Boxsters that did absolutely nothing for me, but this little car is truly a gem. I will reluctantly hand over the keys to its rightful owner Monday morning.

Playdrv4me
06-15-08, 02:51 AM
As promised, pictures:

http://www.gdwriter.q45.org/DSC02352.jpg

http://www.gdwriter.q45.org/DSC02359.jpg

http://www.gdwriter.q45.org/DSC02361.jpg

These were taken around dusk after I finished the detail job. Wash, clay bar, two coats of wax, Sandy's world-famous Dove soap treatment on the interior and steam vac on the carpet and floor mats.

Driving this car is an absolute pleasure. I love that torquey six, especially when powering out of a turn. Superb cornering and a reasonably good ride, except for truly crappy pavement.

I've driven a couple of Porsche Boxsters that did absolutely nothing for me, but this little car is truly a gem. I will reluctantly hand over the keys to its rightful owner Monday morning.

It may be time to give Cruella and Betty another sister... You'll be pleased to know that the older Z3s can be had for well under 10k now.

gdwriter
06-15-08, 02:55 AM
It may be time to give Cruella and Betty another sister... You'll be pleased to know that the older Z3s can be had for well under 10k now.Make that a brother. My friends named the car Lance after Lance Armstrong. It has actually crossed my mind this weekend that if my friends ever decide to part with Lance, I might want to buy him.

Playdrv4me
06-15-08, 03:07 AM
Make that a brother. My friends named the car Lance after Lance Armstrong. It has actually crossed my mind this weekend that if my friends ever decide to part with Lance, I might want to buy him.

That would warm the cockles of my heart to see... BMW = :cloud9:

gdwriter
06-15-08, 03:08 AM
Found a good road test on edmunds.com (http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/Followup/articleId=47091). I'd say I pretty much agree with them.

Playdrv4me
06-15-08, 03:11 AM
Found a good road test on edmunds.com (http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/Followup/articleId=47091). I'd say I pretty much agree with them.

Believe it or not I've never driven a Z car because I just cant use something that small as my DD (mom drives the XFire), but I have no doubt whatsoever that is just a hoot to whip around in.

Night Wolf
06-15-08, 10:24 AM
Allante would be my top choice for a convertible if it had only one thing... and no... while I much prefer RWD, the FWD isn't a big deal.... but no manual trans! That is a must... a car with a manual trans is just so much more different then an auto.

I have a bad itch for a total "drivers" car, one that is fun to drive and sporty, I also want a convertible, especially after seing Rich's '67 Camaro convertbile get cleaned up and he was telling me how it was an awesome and fun car to just go out for a drive in....

so therein was the next car purchase... it must be a convertible, and it must be a manual, needs to be used and cheap, something I like, something I want and something I can work on.

Thats how I came up with the BMW E30. I've got a thing for I6's, and BMW probably makes the best one out there, it's got the "drivers" aspect down solid, and I actually really like the car... infact the E30, and the E46 are the only BMW's I really, really like... the rest don't do anything for me... the E30 dosen't have the yuppie thing going on with it either, in fact it has more of a gearhead thing with it.

But, I really like the styling, simple, but very nice. Convertible is a must, and while the interior is very basic and sparse, I don't care, I like it enough, but like I said, I want a car that is pleasing to drive, and it must be a convertible.

I don't plan on getting rid of the Lincoln or the Isuzu, I've got far too much work put into both vehicles to make it worth selling, they are both better to me as a means of transportation, but what is really neat is, if I was to get the E30 with the I6, I would have 1 American car, 1 European car and 1 Japaneese car.... nobody can say I'm biased then :) I would have a 4, 6 and 8cyl, both automatic and manual transmissions... but most cool to me, such vastly different vehicles... an off-road truck for work/towing/hauling/daily driving/trails, a highway cruiser luxobarge for making long roadtrips fade away, or if I want to have a formal/fancy ride for an occasion, then finally a sporty convertible, either for a roadtrip or just plain fun.

While the '91 facelift looks alot better, I am not limiting myself, and wouldn't mind the older divers board bumper style (such as this one) but convertible and manual trans are a must, as well as the 6cyl. I'm not actively looking, but I keep an eye out.... still gotta pay bills off and save up money, but I'm set on one of these as my next ride.... seems like if I am patient enough, $3k will buy a good example, mileage is unimportant as it dosen't seem to matter much on these and most are higher miles, but it needs to have a very good body and paintjob, as thats not my thing right there.... basically a well-taken care of car.

http://i24.ebayimg.com/08/a/000/78/a6/e2d6_4.JPG

http://i23.ebayimg.com/04/a/000/78/a6/e2ed_4.JPG

gdwriter
06-15-08, 11:56 PM
My mom took this picture of me with the Z3 today. My 4-year-old niece wanted to know where my Cadillac was.

http://www.gdwriter.q45.org/DSC02364.jpg

Drove it over all the fun and curvy back roads close to my house (fortunately there are plenty and light traffic, too!). Had a blast. This car is so much fun to drive, and yet it's comfortable enough to be practical as a daily driver.

gothicaleigh
06-16-08, 03:55 PM
It's no .... er, well... it's half of an e30. (not lying, it really is) :D

I've always wanted a Z3, just always settled for something a bit more practical each time I've been in the market. Beautiful car! :)


Thats how I came up with the BMW E30.

Best car purchase you will ever make. No lie. Easily one of my all time favorite cars (and probably the best driving car I've ever owned).


While the '91 facelift looks alot better, I am not limiting myself, and wouldn't mind the older divers board bumper style (such as this one) but convertible and manual trans are a must, as well as the 6cyl.

Early models can be equipped with the absolutely amazing euro-bumpers though.

Euro Bumpers + factory Mtech1 kit = :gothimanic:

The Tony Show
06-16-08, 04:04 PM
Great looking car, Gary. I was always a fan of the Z3, probably as a result of residual Miata Club blood running through my veins.

gothicaleigh
06-16-08, 04:27 PM
Great looking car, Gary. I was always a fan of the Z3, probably as a result of residual Miata Club blood running through my veins.

There's a red MX5 Miata on a lot that I pass on my way in to work everyday. Very attractive car that makes me want to stop and see how it drives. Luckily, it's been practically constant rain since it became warm here this year, or I may have stopped and done something completely stupid. :gothiscared:

gary88
06-16-08, 04:44 PM
There's a red E30 M3 for sale not too far for me for $8,000. I'd pick it up in a heartbeat if the miles were lower. 183k on the body, 100k on the new engine.

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?ct=p&car_id=246281459&dealer_id=62774139&car_year=1988&num_records=25&model=M3&systime=&make2=&start_year=1981&engine=&keywordsrep=&keywordsrep=&keywordsfyc=&keywordsfyc=&certified=&fuel=&body_code=0&search_type=both&distance=25&marketZipError=false&search_lang=en&first_record=26&make=BMW&color=&keywords_display=&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&min_price=&drive=&default_sort=priceASC&max_mileage=&style_flag=1&sort_type=priceASC&address=60439&advanced=y&end_year=2009&pager.offset=25&transmission=&doors=&max_price=&cardist=22

The Tony Show
06-16-08, 05:14 PM
There's a red MX5 Miata on a lot that I pass on my way in to work everyday. Very attractive car that makes me want to stop and see how it drives. Luckily, it's been practically constant rain since it became warm here this year, or I may have stopped and done something completely stupid. :gothiscared:

There is nothing stupid about owning an MX-5.

Classic design
Amazing handling
Revvy, fun engine
Superb gearbox
Cheap to work on
Bulletproof engine

I've owned three, and will own several more in my lifetime. The last one had 135k on it and had wear on the top. Bought the car for $2,500, replaced the top skin and had 40,000 fun miles before selling it to a friend.

gdwriter
06-16-08, 05:49 PM
My former boss has a '93 Miata with well over 200K on it. It's a fun little car, but definitely a tighter squeeze for me compared to the Z3. And the Bimmer, being a bit bigger, has a much better ride.

Still, if I were going to scratch the little roadster itch, the current Miata with the retractable hardtop would be the most practical choice. Much as I've enjoyed the Bimmer, parts and service are still high $$ compared to the Miata.

Night Wolf
06-16-08, 09:04 PM
The MX-5 Miata, the 1st gen more specifically (due to price) was holding a close 2nd place to the E30.... I suppose I should go out and drive both, but there are alot more reasons why I'd like the E30 over a Miata.

MauiV
06-16-08, 09:18 PM
Miatas, Z3's, SLKs, Boxters, Skys etc are OUT OF THE QUESTION. Period.

I got my Vert fix this weekend pimpin a 1967 Impala SS Vert and it was AWESOME.

A 1971 Eldo convertable rolling Fear and Loathing style or 1962 Series 62 Vert are my favorite Cadi convertables

I~LUV~Caddys8792
06-16-08, 11:03 PM
A Sky or Solstice would be cool, but it would be a long time before I could afford one. A Miata would be fun, but I couldn't go riding in it with my buddies, obviously due to the lack of seating, but two men in a miata doesn't exactly scream masculinity. LOL! It's one of those cars that you either drive by yourself, or with your girlfriend.

gdwriter
06-16-08, 11:58 PM
Well, I returned Lance to his rightful owners after work today. The good part was my friend had a doctor's appointment for her 80+ year-old mother today, who can't get in and out of Lance. So I got to drive him to work and back to my friend's house this evening. My boss saw me cruise up with the top down and got to give me a hard time.

After driving top with the top down 99% of the time (and having a fire truck go by with sirens at full blast just before arriving at my friend's house), the silence in Cruella was a stark contrast. I certainly couldn't power out of the 90 turns on one of the back roads I drive every day. But I still love my Caddy.

My friend and her husband were delighted with my detail job. And the best part was, the check she left in Cruella was for $150, not the $100 we had agreed to. I very much appreciated that, plus the opportunity to drive Lance over some of my favorite roads in perfect convertible weather.

Playdrv4me
06-17-08, 01:31 AM
Well, I returned Lance to his rightful owners after work today. The good part was my friend had a doctor's appointment for her 80+ year-old mother today, who can't get in and out of Lance. So I got to drive him to work and back to my friend's house this evening. My boss saw me cruise up with the top down and got to give me a hard time.

After driving top with the top down 99% of the time (and having a fire truck go by with sirens at full blast just before arriving at my friend's house), the silence in Cruella was a stark contrast. I certainly couldn't power out of the 90 turns on one of the back roads I drive every day. But I still love my Caddy.

My friend and her husband were delighted with my detail job. And the best part was, the check she left in Cruella was for $150, not the $100 we had agreed to. I very much appreciated that, plus the opportunity to drive Lance over some of my favorite roads in perfect convertible weather.

Make sure you drop a hint every now and again that you are in love with the car. When it comes time for them to sell it, they are going to remember the person that took such terrific care of their vehicle.

Jesda
06-17-08, 06:05 PM
Every American needs a convertible. No really, needs. For me, it has been a tremendous life-enhancing item. More than a big HDTV, a puppy, a girlfriend that lets you do awful things to her, or a cup of frozen custard on a hot day, the convertible is what most effectively lifts my spirits and makes me smile.

I always look forward to morning drives to work, which causes me to get out of bed and show up on time. :)

MauiV
06-17-08, 06:15 PM
Corvette, 6 series, XK, SL and maybe a 350Z are the only current crop of Verts off the top of my head I would own. Well a Mallet Solstice too.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
06-17-08, 07:19 PM
But see the thing is Jesda, if I had a convertible, my hair would never look good for work.

Well I could always shave it off. :bigroll:

gdwriter
06-17-08, 08:07 PM
But see the thing is Jesda, if I had a convertible, my hair would never look good for work.That's definitely not a problem for me. Scalp sunburn? Yes. Messed up hair? Not so much. :histeric:

Destroyer
06-18-08, 12:04 AM
I've been thinking about what I would get if I had the money for an additional car and wanted to spend it on a convertible..

- 1971-72 Eldorado.
- 1995-02 Camaro Z-28/SS.
- 1991-92 Z-28/Trans AM
- 1995-99 VR-4 Spyder
- 1991-01 Mercedes Benz SL

Trust me on this Chad, A DOHC V8 like the Mach 1 motor in my '99 Cobra vert is choice. Top down and the sound through an off road exhaust w/flowmasters is a great sensation. Laying a dual patch of rubber down when shifting into 3rd at 7000 rpm's = automotive nirvana. I think I enjoy driving this car more than any car I've ever owned..................and I've owned ALOT!. ;)

I~LUV~Caddys8792
06-18-08, 07:38 PM
Every American needs a convertible. No really, needs. For me, it has been a tremendous life-enhancing item. More than a big HDTV, a puppy, a girlfriend that lets you do awful things to her, or a cup of frozen custard on a hot day, the convertible is what most effectively lifts my spirits and makes me smile.

I always look forward to morning drives to work, which causes me to get out of bed and show up on time. :)


I hear ya Jesda. We have an '07 Solstice GXP at work right now, and I just took it out for a quick spin through the lot and I couldn't wipe the grin off my face. :cool2:

Night Wolf
06-19-08, 08:43 AM
I hear ya Jesda. We have an '07 Solstice GXP at work right now, and I just took it out for a quick spin through the lot and I couldn't wipe the grin off my face. :cool2:

thru the lot!?!?!?!?!?

Man, that is worse then a tease, does nothing for the car.... take it out.

I test drove a new Solstice GXP.... that car was beyond freakin sweet, I remember cause I made a thread about it. The amount of power those things have is unbeliveable, I'd be happy leaving it stock, I didn't even get on it hard, let alone come close to flooring it and it was doing 70 (in a 55) in no time, accelerating without getting on it hard, or redlining the gears was about the same as my Town Car wide open.... but those things run a 14.0!

Thats what really got me into the convertible/sports car thing.... it'll be years before I am willing to pay for what a Sky Redline (which I prefer) will go for used, since I am content with a normal-output vehicle, thats when I became interested in the MX-5 Miata.... which made me think about the E30 again, both cars are within the range I would be willing to pay for a used car of that era, but would give back in return nearly all the same minus the crazy fast acceleration/speed, which I am ok without, and without the bling bling newness, which I much prefer, I don't like attention being drawn to me, and both the E30 and 1st gen MX-5 have styles that as they age, still look sweet, you know it's an older car, but when kept up nice, it's a good example of a car from that era.

For me, the main reaons I picked the E30 over the MX-5, it has a I6 option, I like I6's, but not only that, it's a BMW I6... also, it's a BMW... I want to try the German car thing. I broke out of my shell with the Zu and have been throughly impressed, so I'd like to see what else is there. It has a back seat, even tho I nearly never cart more then 1 other person around, there will always be that time when the backseat will be handy, if not even for storage for my roadtrips and stuff. Also, it's a BMW, and the MX-5 is a Miata.... while I couldn't care less of what others think of my car, there is a certain coolness to a BMW and a certain chick-carness to a Miata... as Chad mentioned, 2 guys shoudln't be seen in a Miata together... but 2 guys in an E30 convertbile woudln't be a big deal. And, while the Miata has nice sports-car styling (and pop up headlights!) the BMW has classic styling, and I like the quad round headlights. Moving inside, both have similar useful interiors, I do like the MPG gauge on the BMW as well as the on board computer.

Also, growing up as a kid my father had an '88 Fiero Formula that was his daily driver... and I remember the limitations of a 2-seater and limited storage space.... when we would do a weekend getaway it was great for 2 people and an overnight bag, which was about it.... but I also remember being a various stores and last minute decsion to get something, then having to have them hold it on the side while we went back home to get the Bronco, or not being able to have someone ride with you etc.... It was cool for the "I have a 2-seater" thing and near for what it was, but overall not very practical, but thats also kinda the whole point of it... still tho, the E30 seems to offer the same thrills as any 2-seater convertible, but in a more practical package.

The car wouldn't replace either the Zu or the Town Car, which is why I am waiting... it would simply be a toy... it would be a car to drive when I want to have fun, or possibly take over some of the road trips from the Town Car, which is where I think the car would be alot of fun.... maybe it would help me get back into really enjoying cars for what they are too... a feeling that seems to have been stolen from me around the same time my '93 Coupe was.

Still tho, MX-5 holds a close 2nd, but I have just heard too many comments of "best car purchase you'll ever make" "most fun you'll have in a car" etc... that it's like I gotta try it out.

Bothers me too, cause I can find 2-doors for a very fair price, while the convertibles are harder to find and more expensive.... I've thought about just picking up a 2-door, but that defeats the purpose of this, I'd like a convertible, and the money spent on anything but that, would just be wasted when I do get a vert, I am in no rush, and more importantly, no need of another vehicle tho, so I can wait until I can afford to buy it outright and the right car comes along :)

Alrighty... time for me to stop my babbling tanget.....

MauiV
06-19-08, 10:21 AM
Sorry but I disagree on the 3 series thing. Its a sorority chick car in every sense. The M3 is a guys car and a guy can get away with 335i but a 3 series vert is as fem as a VW Cabriolet. The 6 series vert on the other hand is a phenominal looking car.

Jesda loves his and he pays for it so whatever floats your boat. And 2 guys sharing a Miata or a Boxter or a SLK or a Bug or a Z3 are the same kind of guys that would share an umbrella or ride double on a motorcycle.

My step-mom has a Solstice GXP and its a fun car but I wouldnt own one and I like the Sky front end better anyway.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
06-19-08, 10:21 AM
How about an older 'vette Rick? Get a pre '97 and you get a digital dash AND pop-up headlights. (Not to mention 300 wild ponies!)

c5 rv
06-19-08, 11:42 AM
Every American needs a convertible. No really, needs. For me, it has been a tremendous life-enhancing item. More than a big HDTV, a puppy, a girlfriend that lets you do awful things to her, or a cup of frozen custard on a hot day, the convertible is what most effectively lifts my spirits and makes me smile.

I always look forward to morning drives to work, which causes me to get out of bed and show up on time. :)

Good summary! Motorcycle riders say similar things, but too many become accident statistics.

The Tony Show
06-19-08, 12:10 PM
The whole "2 guys shouldn't be seen in a Miata" is ridiculous. Show me another car that has two Professional race championships dedicated solely to one car (Spec Miata and MX-5 cup). No other car offers a more pure driving experience or anything even close to the level of mechanical simplicity of a Miata, which is why they've built entire racing leagues around the car.

You might not get a whole lot of respect from the dumb public in a Miata, but pull up to an Autocross or track event in a Prepped MX-5 and you'll see guys in Vipers get nervous.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
06-19-08, 12:18 PM
Yeah, it's completely respected in club racing events, but take two guys out in it and drive around in public and you got "the vibe".

gothicaleigh
06-19-08, 12:48 PM
The whole "2 guys shouldn't be seen in a Miata" is ridiculous. Show me another car that has two Professional race championships dedicated solely to one car (Spec Miata and MX-5 cup).

BMW 3-series (hell, there's even a Spec e30 so not only does the series have it's own events, but certain generations of that series have events).


No other car offers a more pure driving experience or anything even close to the level of mechanical simplicity of a Miata, which is why they've built entire racing leagues around the car.

*cough*e30*cough*

Trust me, there is no point in arguing it. :lildevil:


You might not get a whole lot of respect from the dumb public in a Miata, but pull up to an Autocross or track event in a Prepped MX-5 and you'll see guys in Vipers get nervous.

I agree with that. The Miata is a very impressive car.

It's still no e30 though... :shifty




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orconn
06-19-08, 04:00 PM
Since this thread has been posted I have been more conscious of BMW Z3s, and to be honest, what I have noticed is that 9 out of 10 drivers of these cars here in the Richmond area are women. Stylish women to be sure but women never the less! I have seen very few guys driving BMWs in general around here. Same thing goes for CTS's ...... mostly women driving them. The only car that seem to be driven primarily by guys are Corvettes. Don't know what this says ......... maybe something about the earning potential of young woman today verses that of young guys. But I find it curious.

Night Wolf
06-19-08, 06:30 PM
How about an older 'vette Rick? Get a pre '97 and you get a digital dash AND pop-up headlights. (Not to mention 300 wild ponies!)

I dunno, thought about it, but they really don't do a whole lot for me, tho I do like them alot.... biggest reason is price tho, a good C4 'Vette is still about $12k, maybe $10k, way too much money..... the price range for the E30 would be in the $3,000-$4,000 range, maybe going a little higher if I saw one in really good shape.

Plus, Vette draws too much attention and I don't see it being as practical... plus I bet insurance is a whole lot more :)

Night Wolf
06-19-08, 06:33 PM
Since this thread has been posted I have been more conscious of BMW Z3s, and to be honest, what I have noticed is that 9 out of 10 drivers of these cars here in the Richmond area are women. Stylish women to be sure but women never the less! I have seen very few guys driving BMWs in general around here. Same thing goes for CTS's ...... mostly women driving them. The only car that seem to be driven primarily by guys are Corvettes. Don't know what this says ......... maybe something about the financing potential of young woman today verses that of young guys. But I find it curious.


fixed it for ya :)

orconn
06-19-08, 08:01 PM
fixed it for ya :)

Take your choice the result is the same!

I~LUV~Caddys8792
06-19-08, 08:57 PM
The only car that seem to be driven primarily by guys are Corvettes. Don't know what this says ......... maybe something about the earning potential of young woman today verses that of young guys. But I find it curious.

Naw, I don't think it's earning/financing potential. I see a lot of Corvettes at work, and you're right....98% of them are owned by men, the women that we see that own Corvettes are almost ALWAYS affluent women in their 50s or older. It seems to me that girls my age either aren't impressed by or interested in Corvettes...weird.

Night Wolf
06-20-08, 07:15 AM
Naw, I don't think it's earning/financing potential. I see a lot of Corvettes at work, and you're right....98% of them are owned by men, the women that we see that own Corvettes are almost ALWAYS affluent women in their 50s or older. It seems to me that girls my age either aren't impressed by or interested in Corvettes...weird.

I feel the Corvette has a niche market, you either like them or don't, likewise, if in the price range/car type you either want one or don't. Plus, there are alot more choices for similar performance at similar prices today then 25 years ago. Girls our age don't seem to be as interested in them, while cars like the 350Z/G35 are considered "hott" cars.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
06-20-08, 09:53 AM
I like the Nissan offerings....a lot. :yup:

gary88
06-20-08, 12:15 PM
I like the Nissan offerings....a lot. :yup:

The new G37 is teh sexay

And I don't think I've ever met a girl who was really impressed by a Corvette...

orconn
06-20-08, 02:11 PM
The new G37 is teh sexay

And I don't think I've ever met a girl who was really impressed by a Corvette...

So are we saying that Corvettes are "old hat" as far as "crumpet catchers" go (sorry I am afraid my Jaguar E-type age is showing). The Z3 is kind of "bulldog puppy cute" and reportedly handles quite well, so that accounts for its' popularity with the feminine gender. But the slug ugly, over embellished 350Z and G37 that's got to based on "sticker price" prestige .... not saying they don't have good driving traits. How come no one is mentioning Porche?

gdwriter
06-20-08, 02:33 PM
How come no one is mentioning Porche?I did. I've driven a couple of Porsche Boxsters for an automobile inspection/buying service, and they did nothing for me. Also drove a 911 with an alleged $50K invested in the engine, and whoever paid that got ripped off. But then I've never cared much for Porsches.

OTOH, I have driven an XK-E roaster, and THAT was exhilirating. Amazingly, all the electrics worked, and the inline six and gearbox were smooth as buttah.

I've also driven three first-generation Corvettes (a '57, a '60 with a Powerglide and a '62). The '62 with the 327 was a joy on the open road, although the handling capabilities were pretty crude. And I've driven a C5, which I liked very much although it felt awfully wide. I still love the C6 and among classic Vettes, my favorite would be a '65 Sting Ray.

I could care less about image. Driving enjoyment is tops with me. The Z3 was a blast; I loved the engine/gearbox combination as well as its handling.

gdwriter
06-20-08, 06:17 PM
Went to put something in my car, and there was a Z4 parked next to it. God, is that thing hideous:
http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//pictures/EI/2008/BMW/2008.bmw.z4.20233888-E.jpg
I think Jesda's description is spot on.

The Z3 is so much more harmonious of line. The Z4 is just a bunch of lines going every which way.
http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//pictures/EVOX/2002/BMW/2002.bmw.z3.20179139-E.jpg

The Tony Show
06-20-08, 06:29 PM
Despite my initial hatred of it, the Z4 has actually grown on me like a fungus. :hide:

gary88
06-20-08, 07:55 PM
Top Gear has a decent review of the Z4.

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I actually thought about getting one for a bit, until I stood next to one at a dealer and realized it's just too small for me.

MauiV
06-20-08, 08:14 PM
Z4 is WAYYYY better than a Z3 IMO but the Z8 FTW!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And as far as Porsche, I have never cared for them and they all look like a smashed Beetle and the same lines for the past 40+ years. I do however like the Carerra GT since it doesnt look like every other Porsche on the planet.

gothicaleigh
06-21-08, 10:24 AM
Despite my initial hatred of it, the Z4 has actually grown on me like a fungus. :hide:

+1

...especially the hardtop coupes... :drool:

http://www.bmw.com/com/en/newvehicles/z4/coupe/2006/allfacts/_shared/img/engine_suspension.jpg

Jesda
06-21-08, 12:09 PM
Somewhere recently I saw pics of the revised Z4, and it did NOT have the sagging lines and pelican face. It was an improvement.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
06-21-08, 12:18 PM
Sagging lines and a pelican face....are we talking about the Z4 or Sarah Jessica Parker in ten years?