: '05 STS Production Scheduled for June 1st.



b4z
06-04-04, 01:09 PM
Does anybody know if production actually started on this date?

Brett
06-04-04, 01:37 PM
autonews weekly production estimates come out around 4 or 5 pm, ill check it then, maybe it will show up

EgyptianQueen
06-04-04, 03:19 PM
:hmm: Sorry, just got word today that it has been pushed back until June 21st!:crying:
Why? Why are they doing this to me?*&^%$#$%^

Brett
06-04-04, 05:28 PM
Looks like 21 this week....58 total...

http://www.autonews.com/files/prod.pdf

b4z
06-04-04, 05:34 PM
41 in May. 21 this week. Somehow that adds up to 58.
I think autonews needs some addition lessons.
Noticed that SRX production was down to 800 and CTS production was down to 1200.
The addition of the STS into the assembly line has slowed things down. Just like the CTS production was slowed down when the SRX was added.

Cadillac will be incredibly profitable for GM with so much production capabilty at one plant, and with the trucks being built in Mexico where wages are low.

Brett
06-04-04, 05:38 PM
58 is overall, they must have built a few earlier this year or end of april

b4z
06-04-04, 05:58 PM
Maybe some were Pilot vehicles not for sale.
These will probably be driven by executives then sold
6 months later.

miscreant
06-14-04, 02:21 PM
"Actual" Production doesn't begin for some time. The first production vehicles are demo's. Each dealership get's one or two, usually a V6 and a V8. Ours are being produced the week of July 26th and Aug 2nd. Actual retail production does not start until after that.


That's not to say that dealers won't sell their demo's, but for FYI, the dealer get's special incentives if they put their demos into service for 6 months...

diamond in the back
06-15-04, 03:46 AM
so when will the 2005 sts go on sale?

EgyptianQueen
06-15-04, 11:07 AM
Production is scheduled to begin June 21st. Vehicles should be available by late August.

megeebee
06-15-04, 06:23 PM
According to the June 6th issue of Automotive News, GM announced it had begun regular production of the 2005 STS at the Grand River plant. This would bear-out the June 1st time frame. The same item also noted that 41 pre-production units were built in May. This would see arrival of the first cars at dealers in about 60-70 days.

miscreant
06-15-04, 06:40 PM
Production is scheduled to begin June 21st. Vehicles should be available by late August.
Okay, let's revist this again. I'm just trying to be accurate in these statements.


1) "Estimated shipment calculation was canceled for June on the 2005 STS. Estimated shipments will be calculated for July when production begins."

2) "STS - Controlled Allocation loaded as Estimated Shipments based on Marketing Team`s launch strategy for start-up July 19 - August 15"

The fact that the statement above says "production begins June 21st" but yet "vehicles should be available by late August" really doesn't make sense. If a vehicle is produced the week of June 21st, it could actually be on lots by the end of that month (some dealers around the plant will get a vehicle 1-2 days after it's built)! It does not take 2 months to produce and ship a car. The statement above indicates the RCC dealer allocations that are produced first, then the demos, then the retail units.

I'd go off of the second part of the statement ("Vehicles should be available by late August"), not the first part.

miscreant
06-15-04, 07:00 PM
According to the June 6th issue of Automotive News, GM announced it had begun regular production of the 2005 STS at the Grand River plant. This would bear-out the June 1st time frame. The same item also noted that 41 pre-production units were built in May. This would see arrival of the first cars at dealers in about 60-70 days.Where do you get the 60-70 days? GM doesn't sit on vehicles like that, they produce and ship. The first runs of STSs are show cars, exec cars, RCC dealer allocations, etc. We receive units approx. 10 days after they are built, and some dealers close to the plant receive them 1-2 days. A car produced the week of June 1st isn't going to take till August to get here. If an STS had been produced the week of June 1st, it would already be in route to the dealership.

There hasn't been a single dealer-ordered STS produced OR scheduled for production yet. Every STS in the order system has a code of 3000 or 3100. This is the lowest code of production a car can have. It means "Order accepted by production control". A couple V8 models have hit the 3100 "Available to Sequence" code which is the next step, but still not ready to be produced.

ALL of these vehicles are intended demo orders, and no dealer that I can see has more than a total of 2 V8s or V6s even in the complete system. That's it, total.

All I am trying to say is that "Production begins" is not what you are expecting. Production is going to be slow, spread out, and I wouldn't expect actual, normal production until late August. That has been explained to dealers since launch, that they would get 1-3 units to start with, and then regular ordering would begin.

If you are planning to order and STS or watching for decent inventories, you have some waiting to do. I think it's fair to make sure that people know this.

This isn't abnormal either. This occured with the CTS and the SRX. The plant spent about 2 months producing various allocated units to include demo's, then began retail, full production. In both cases dealers received 1-2 demo units to show for about a month to ramp up orders, than full production began. It's the same with the STS.

rayainsw
06-16-04, 09:44 AM
"Production is going to be slow"

Production - through 6/12:

http://www.autonews.com/files/prod.pdf

- Ray
Waiting - NOT patiently . . . .

EgyptianQueen
06-16-04, 01:04 PM
Vehicles are not produced then shipped. There are new quality assurance guidelines that need to be followed. Vehicles are tested and tested over again to assure that the line is producing vehicles according to the quality standards. You never know: GM may sit on these cars considering that they are having issues with suppliers. I would bite my tongue if I were you. There may be models that were produced, but these are not retail units. These are probably test vehicles and some that will be placed on training circuit as well as in stables for the up coming autoshows.

miscreant
06-16-04, 01:45 PM
Vehicles are not produced then shipped. There are new quality assurance guidelines that need to be followed. Vehicles are tested and tested over again to assure that the line is producing vehicles according to the quality standards. You never know: GM may sit on these cars considering that they are having issues with suppliers.Incorrect. Even the XLR which goes through an ***extensive*** testing & QC cycle after production, still reaches dealerships within 1-2 weeks after production. Once retail production starts, the STS will be produced during the weekly cycle, then will begin to ship immediately, just as every other Cadillac does. The STS is not slated for the XLR-style QC process. We've been receiving our 2005 Cadillacs approximately 14 days after the TPW date.



I would bite my tongue if I were you.
Me? No tongue biting here. The production everyone is interested in hasn't started yet, period. It won't start for a while, period.



There may be models that were produced, but these are not retail units. These are probably test vehicles and some that will be placed on training circuit as well as in stables for the up coming autoshows.Isn't that exactly what I said? I believe everyone's desire is to know when actual *retail production* begins. The fact that only 10 were built last week (based on the link above) indicates that retail production has not started. The production that begins on June 21st are the dealer demo production (the units ordered through the DOSP cycle), the first of the dealer production, but not the retail production everyone is interested in. Also include the fact that the plant will shutdown for two weeks in accordance to DOSP cycles on July 1 and July 8.

Maybe I should explain more about these demos too. These are not very good packaged cars. The STSs we were given to order were limited packaged or forced package cars. All the colors were not available either. These are intended to be demo cars. These are being produced TPW (Target Production Week) June 21st through first week of August.

We just got our first normal production allocation units to order the week of Jun 24th for TPW Aug 9.

miscreant
06-16-04, 02:39 PM
Here, this will help everyone (direct from GM):

2005 STS Demo Guide (came separate from the GM Test Drive memo):
-These units will be included within the consensus for April (June - August Initial production).
-Dealers will receive their limited demo allocation based on the STS launch formula with the largest dealers receiving their allocation first.
-Initial production will run until August, with the largest dealers receiving their demo units first.
-You may order either a V6 or V8 for your demo unit(s); however, V6 availability for these initial demo orders will be limited to approximately 45%. Also the base vehicles, V6 1SA and V8 1SD, will not be available for demo orders and the V8 1SF package will be limited to 10% of V8 demo orders. In addition, sunroof availability on these initial orders may not be at your desired level which could eliminate the availability of other packages. We are in the process of increasing sunroof availability so it is in place by start of regular production in August.

Hope this helps!

b4z
06-16-04, 04:37 PM
miscreant,

I think you have the definitve info here.

You said that dealers would be limited to the colors that are available.
Does that mean there will be mostly silver STSs at first, like there were with the CTS?

miscreant
06-16-04, 04:58 PM
miscreant,

I think you have the definitve info here.

You said that dealers would be limited to the colors that are available.
Does that mean there will be mostly silver STSs at first, like there were with the STS?
Here's exact info. Of the V8 STSs that are in the system within 500 miles (50 units)

2 are Blue Chip, 6 are Red Line, 4 are Silver Smoke, 23 are Light Platinum, and 15 are Black.

Of the V6's (42 units), 6 Red Line, 2 Silver Smoke, 8 Black, and 26 are Light Platinum...

If I remember right, White Diamond, Moonstone, and Sand Storm were on 100% constraint (not available). Blue Chip and Red Line were like 25% or something, and Black and Light Platinum was completely open.

b4z
06-16-04, 05:14 PM
I meant CTS, so I edited my post, but you knew what I meant.

miscreant
06-17-04, 03:09 PM
Another update:

STS ordering is still closed. VOMS system is still locked on STS ("Available Nationally: No") until next week, as it has been since the only two weeks it was open back in May. This week represents Target Production Period of July 19 - July 25, but the STS cannot be ordered. Next week it looks like it opens up (we have 4 allocated units next week), but I won't know the TPP until next week. There is 2 weeks where there is no activity between TPP July 26 - Aug 1 and Aug 2 - Aug 8 (possible plant summer closure?). This would put actual retail production of customer/dealer orders to start production in beginning of August for end of August deliveries.

b4z
06-18-04, 05:10 PM
27 STSs produced this wek. 86 total.

miscreant
06-22-04, 02:08 AM
FYI: It's June 22nd (the day after retail production was supposed to begin), and not a single dealer order has even broadcast for production (something that happens the weekend before production begins).

megeebee
06-22-04, 01:15 PM
.....why do you suppose that is..?

miscreant
06-24-04, 01:48 PM
.....why do you suppose that is..?
Well, here's the exact reason why that is-

"Retail Production Begins" does not mean that they immediately start building the cars. Retail production encompasses allocating cars to dealers, dealers then building their orders, submitting their orders, the system then goes through the whole scheduling system internally, then the car is built, then it is shipped, then delivered. This is the "Retail Production" that started the week of June 21st.

No vehicles are yet produced for Dealer Demo's or Customer orders. See next post.

miscreant
06-24-04, 01:53 PM
Update:

The June 21st date was the appropriate date, but it was "the week of June 21st". Retail Production opened up today, June 24th, the first day of this weeks order cycle. These first Retail Production units are scheduled to be BUILT the period of July 26 - August 1st, for delivery around mid-to-end of August depending on how far your dealer is away from the plant. Some dealers around the plant could see STSs hit their lot by the first week of August!

Dealers will enter their first Retail Production (or Customer) orders this week, they will be accepted next week, and begin the internal scheduling process for build between July 26 - August 1. Allocation will be scattered, with only a mild amount of allocated units available to dealers to order over the next couple of weeks, so production will still be slower than normal, but will ramp up into September.

Hope this helps everyone.

rayainsw
06-25-04, 11:09 AM
http://www.autonews.com/files/prod.pdf


Updated through last week.
- Ray
Still looking forward to seeing and driving one by September . . .

caddygirl1
06-25-04, 02:17 PM
The original date for Supplier System Fill (SSF) was May 28, with Start of Production (SOP) being 6/1. SOP was then pushed back to 6/14, then 6/21 (i think), now it's set for 7/19 after shutdown. GM has this mandate for "Flawless Launches," even if it means pushing back the launch by nearly 2 months. It could be a problem with the body, engine, chassis, any part of the car. Hopefully this thing will get launched soon.

On a side note, I got to drive one 2 weeks ago. Picked up my husband to show him how it was. It was the dark blue color, lt. cashmere interior, V6. It's very peppy and has a great ride. I'd buy one.

b4z
06-26-04, 10:32 AM
130 built this week. 220 so far.

miscreant
06-29-04, 01:29 AM
June 28 = 0 (zero) dealership orders produced. In fact, all the orders in the system have not changed from the "accepted" to "scheduled for production" events.

miscreant
07-07-04, 12:21 AM
July 6 = 0 (zero) dealership orders (demo or stock) produced.

gothicaleigh
07-07-04, 09:33 AM
Saw another one with non-manufacturer plates here in Michigan.
This time I was on M25 in Huron county (quite aways from Lansing).

b4z
07-07-04, 11:18 AM
Forgot to post this Friday the 2nd.
125 produced that week.
357 so far.

megeebee
07-12-04, 01:46 PM
Can any one say what the production mix of Northstars and V6's might be initially. Will they build mostly Northstars at first, or will a healthy number of 6's be avaliable from the get-go?

b4z
07-13-04, 07:45 AM
For the week ending July 10th
there were 50 STSs produced
for a total of 91 cars.

I guess these are the saleable units or autonews has made a
mistake. There were 350 cars produced as of last week
so it looks like we are going backwards in total production.

tdogg5184
07-20-04, 03:57 AM
Is the holiday plant shutdown over this week? LETS START BUILDING THEM

gothicaleigh
07-21-04, 12:03 AM
Saw that same Dark Blue one again today in the same area. Older woman driving it, definately not manufacturer plates.

Have they released them to GM executives perhaps?

There's also a red C6 that's been cruising along the lake here lately. I've seen it three times. Haven't been able to do a plate check on it though...