: How do I log in as an administrator in Vista?



Night Wolf
05-14-08, 06:10 AM
So my cousin was using the laptop, said something popped up about a virus and clicked ignor or whatever.... but now this "program" (virus) called "antivirus 2008" is installed, it "scans" every hour and pops up saying I have 44 trojan viruses that are bad for my computer and the only way to get it away, which stops the (virus) from running is by paying them money.

Going to remove programs, it dosen't come up... so if I go to actual program files to delete it, it keeps saying I do not have permission and need to be an administartor... I am the only user on the computer, and no other files demand such a thing.

So.... anyone know how to get rid of this virus itself?

slk230mb
05-14-08, 07:45 AM
Do you have an account on your computer called Administrator? If so, you can access it from Safe Mode. You can set the password from your account, but there is a good chance it's blank.

Night Wolf
05-14-08, 08:07 AM
Thats what I was unsure of. In the Windows profile it says there is an administrator account.... when I turn it on if it was off it only lists my normal account tho... same for switching users, my normal one or guest...

JimmyH
05-14-08, 12:56 PM
If it is malware (sounds like it is) the only way to truly get rid of it is wipe your hard drive and reinstall windows.

you should be able to remove a program without logging in as administrator. Go to user accounts under control panel and see if your account name says administrator under it. If so, you should be able to do anything. Sometimes, to delete certain files, you may have to go into the file's properties and take ownership of it.
Also, turn off user account control. Makes things alot easier. It is under user accounts.

ejguillot
05-14-08, 01:51 PM
There goes the idea that Vista was less vulnerable to users clicking away than XP.

Adminsitrator account may work (or not). If the malware changed the password (and your cousin clicking away may well have let it do so), you won't be able to get in.

JimmyH is right. Boot the machine with a BartPE Cd (windows bootable from CD), copy the files you want to keep to an external drive or thumbstick, and reinstall.

You can try downloading some antispyware or other antivirus programs, but some of the time the malware will embed itself so thoroughly that it will be impossible to remove.

Next time the cousin shows up, hide the laptop. :sneaky:

JimmyH
05-14-08, 01:57 PM
Out of the box, it is.

But for those of us that don't want the nannies, at least MS gave us a way to turn them off.

slk230mb
05-14-08, 02:22 PM
Thats what I was unsure of. In the Windows profile it says there is an administrator account.... when I turn it on if it was off it only lists my normal account tho... same for switching users, my normal one or guest...

If you press ctrl-atl-del twice at the login screen, it should let you enter a username, and not pick one from your choices.

Also, make sure the account is enabled.

AMGoff
05-14-08, 05:47 PM
Good grief... With all these changes they made with Vista, it seems like they barely touched the basic architecture of the system. More and more there seems to be more merit to the notion of sticking with XP on our Windows systems... not that I necessarily enjoy supporting it, but I'll gladly take the devil I know over the devil I don't...

Once you get a totally clean system (which will probably entail a complete reinstall), go download and install AVG anti-virus and make sure you have Defender running. I've always had good luck with AVG and I vastly prefer it over any of the "big" names like Norton or McAfee... it does just as good of a job, if not a better one at protecting your system without be a complete and utter system hog.

JimmyH
05-14-08, 06:29 PM
I will take Vista over XP any day. IF you have the hardware to run it (core duo at least 2ghz and 2gb ram min) it is WAY faster than XP.

There are a few changes in Vista that make you scratch your head, but most of them are for the better. Network and sharing center for one. At first it seemed so ridiculous. Now when I use XP I long for it.

BTW, your beloved Apple royally screwed up Boot Camp 2.1. :lol:

JimmyH
05-14-08, 06:31 PM
Also, as far as anti-virus/malware; there is not a program out there that will catch everything.

If you click on something you shouldnt, one of those spyware things can get right through any anti* software.

gary88
05-14-08, 07:23 PM
Stop looking at the porno Rick

JimmyH
05-14-08, 07:25 PM
:yeah:

that too

I~LUV~Caddys8792
05-14-08, 07:25 PM
But the bewbies!!!!!!!!!!!!11111

AMGoff
05-14-08, 10:31 PM
BTW, your beloved Apple royally screwed up Boot Camp 2.1. :lol:

I wouldn't really know... one would have to be under the assumption that I'd ever hand complete control of a Mac over to Gates & Co... I only have XP loaded on one of my machines at work which runs in Parallels... and it's lucky I even give it a disk image to screw with!

Boot Camp is nothing but a safety net for new switchers... One which I can't even use at home since I'm still perfectly content in PowerPC land.

Besides... they already took my safety net away for good when they dropped Classic support in Leopard. :(

Night Wolf
05-15-08, 04:05 PM
When I checked user profiles, it said administrator under my account, I even turned off user accounts. Still says the same thing.

The "antivirus 2008" even has a phoney website and everything, what a load of BS, it is under the "programs" list and highlighted in yellow too, but when you click it nothing happens.

Really quite annoying, I should just save my stuff and wipe it all clean... external HDD are quite affordable now.

I haven't had a problem with Vista... I do like the look and features of it, but I will say it is slow compared to XP, or atleast to me. Laptop came with 1gb RAM, it now has 2.5gb, but I will soon max it out to 4gb.... other then that there isn't much I can do. It is an AMD AthlonX2 64 1.8ghz....dual core. My old desktop I built was an AMD Athlon XP 2400+ Throughbred core.... Vista is just a resource hog, but I don't use the computer for anything demanding anymore.

AMGoff
05-15-08, 04:35 PM
Rick... Are you saying that Vista feels pokey ever with two and a half gigs of ram?? That's just... absurd!

Anyway... in an effort to be at least somewhat constructive... what kind of hard drive are you running? Is it an SATA? What's its size and rotational speed? If you bump up to a bigger capacity, there will be a performance increase at the same speed... if you bump it up to a bigger and faster drive that increase will be compounded... 7200rpm+ is a must.

Especially since large, fast storage is becoming cheaper and cheaper these days... just for example, you can get 150GB 10,000rpm drives for under $200 bucks these days... and 300GB 10Krpm drives for close to $300.

Depending on what type of drive you're currently running... you might actually see better performance with a new system drive than you would with the extra ram.

gary88
05-15-08, 04:41 PM
I bought my 7200rpm 250GB Seagate FreeAgent for $75 brand new.

JimmyH
05-15-08, 04:50 PM
I should just save my stuff and wipe it all clean...

exactly, trust me, you will notice a big increase in speed when you clean install.

Night Wolf
05-15-08, 05:11 PM
Rick... Are you saying that Vista feels pokey ever with two and a half gigs of ram?? That's just... absurd!

Anyway... in an effort to be at least somewhat constructive... what kind of hard drive are you running? Is it an SATA? What's its size and rotational speed? If you bump up to a bigger capacity, there will be a performance increase at the same speed... if you bump it up to a bigger and faster drive that increase will be compounded... 7200rpm+ is a must.

Especially since large, fast storage is becoming cheaper and cheaper these days... just for example, you can get 150GB 10,000rpm drives for under $200 bucks these days... and 300GB 10Krpm drives for close to $300.

Depending on what type of drive you're currently running... you might actually see better performance with a new system drive than you would with the extra ram.

Yeah, Vista seems slow... with the desktop I built, I had 768mb RAM, but even when one 256mb stick went bad and it was just 512mb, it would boot fast... Vista takes a while to boot, I think due in part to the bazillion programs that start up with Vista, even tho I have most of them turned off.

It is a laptop, maybe 6 months old now (wow, dosen't seem like it) The desktop was giving me problems and I got tired of it, plus I really enjoy the laptop... also the first time in about a decade I bought a name brand computer vs. building one myself. It is an HP DV6605US

http://ak.buy.com/db_assets/prod_lrg_images/829/205539829.jpg

Not sure what the HDD is, IIRC I think it's Hitachi, Fuji or Samsung... not sure tho... I think it's the typical 5,200RPM... it is 160gb.

I know Vista is slower on laptops... but all I use this for is internet surfing, music and text/.pdf documents, really, I don't use it for work nor play games on it, so the lack of speed isn't a big deal... you would just think that with a dual-core processor and 2.5gb of RAM it would be really fast... I guess the operating system uses more resources at the same rate the computers are improved upon. While I haven't used it in ages, I bet this HP from being off to full boot takes the same amount of time my 166mhz, 32mb IBM ThinkPad 560E starts Win95.

Yeah, the clean install would be nice.... then I get to go back and delete all the programs and junk HP installs on the computer from the factory.... but atleast I would start fresh.... it's just a pain doing it.

I would get one of those external travel HDD, I saw them at CC/BB 500gb for $250 or so. Most of my 160gb on the computer is taken up by music, so if I could put all my music, movies, pictures and videos on an external hdd, then just leave the hdd in the computer for computer stuff, that would be good.... but money is tight right now, so that'll wait a bit.

I'll have to check out that anti-virus program... this came with a trial of Norton, I don't like it at all, talk about slow it uses so much of the avalible resources just to run the thing.

ejguillot
05-15-08, 05:45 PM
Rick, if you want speed see if you can get all the necessary drivers and do a Windows XP install. Read the following:

http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/04/14/16TC-winoffice-performance_1.html

http://www.xpnet.com/iworldtest/

Which show that the combination of Vista and Office 2007 runs the Officebench suite at less than half the speed of XP SP2 and Office 2003 on the same hardware.

And to those that say that the dual and quad core systems make this irrelevant and that Vista is fast on their quad cores: Why should I devote all that RAM and CPU just to run an OS? Why shouldn't I be able to have the OS be lightweight (relatively) and leave the most processing power and RAM possible to run my applications, whatever those may be?

I run XP SP2 and Mac OS X 10.5, and plan to skip Vista entirely. Might as well jump from XP to Vista's replacement.

Night Wolf
05-15-08, 06:55 PM
Yeah, I remember when reading reviews of my laptop, people were asking about putting XP on it, it seems like they have all the drivers needed, except the ones for the fancy touch quick launch buttons (which I use often)

Even then, although I use the computer all the time, the type of use is not very heavy, like I said, mostly just internet surfing, so the speed really isn't that big of a deal to me, I am content with how it operates... I do like the features of style of Vista tho.

Night Wolf
05-24-08, 06:58 AM
Major score for Windows Defender! It seems to be totally gone now :)

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/InoventionsEast/misc/antivirus2008.jpg