: Concept Buick Invicta....Oh...My...God...



I~LUV~Caddys8792
04-23-08, 01:48 PM
It's gorgeous!

http://www.buick.com/buzz/index.jsp?cmp=invicta

hueterm
04-23-08, 02:28 PM
What is it supposed to replace? Or where is it supposed to go in the lineup?

I~LUV~Caddys8792
04-23-08, 02:37 PM
They say it's "the future of luxury" so I'd assume above the Lucerne. Maybe this is the concept Roadmaster we've been hearing about??

Blackout
04-23-08, 02:44 PM
It looks like a more bulky version of the Lincoln MKS

orconn
04-23-08, 02:50 PM
According to the reports I read it is suppose to replace the La Crosse in the lineup. Interesting use of a molded in version of the late '60s Riviera arrow side molding .

MauiV
04-23-08, 03:06 PM
Looks like someone stepped on an Enclave.

I like the Riviera concept better but thats me and my impeccable taste speaking....

http://www.autoblog.com/photos/buick-riviera-concept-studio-shots/572285/

illumina
04-23-08, 03:14 PM
Wasn't too sure about that car until I seen the interior - WOW!!!

RunningOnEMT
04-23-08, 03:23 PM
its foul.... i just don't like it for some reason, there's something really bulky about the exterior and the interior while nice doesnt match the outside i don't think

Blackout
04-23-08, 03:31 PM
I doubt that interior will make it to production anyways

RunningOnEMT
04-23-08, 03:32 PM
and its got saturn taillights:barf:

Blackout
04-23-08, 03:49 PM
and its got saturn taillights:barf:

Didn't you know that Saturn tail lights are the future of luxury?:highfive:

MauiV
04-23-08, 04:09 PM
They are infinitely better than Lincolns current tail lights.

caddycruiser
04-23-08, 04:51 PM
I doubt that interior will make it to production anyways

Guys. This IS the new Lacrosse (yes, finally), aside from a few "concept" details. Name is expected to stay Lacrosse, but MAYBE could change to Invicta. Not sure yet. Will be out rather quickly, too, as a 2010.

And the interior is exactly what production is getting, yes--the center stack is another one of GM's new "integrated" center stacks, and the rest of the look is new Buick. Just like the Enclave was shown as a slightly extra dressed concept before, that's what this is.

http://static.autoblog.nl/images/wp2008/buick-invicta-concept-2.jpg
http://static.autoblog.nl/images/wp2008/buick-invicta-concept-3.jpg
http://static.autoblog.nl/images/wp2008/buick-invicta-concept-4.jpg

And some of the most recent exterior/interior shots:

http://www.thecarconnection.com/blog/?p=1153

This is built off the new Epsilon II platform (replacement for Epsilon I, which is the Malibu, Aura, etc.) that's a tinge wider and can incorporate FWD or AWD easily. Essentially, finally away the ancient W-body Lacrosse and it's weird proportions, lack of room, etc. will go.

This is finally "the Enclave of sedans", a term used ever since the Enclave has been out and just an absolute success and amazing vehicle. All the traits of what Buick is now going to be.

MauiV
04-23-08, 05:08 PM
It looks like it has a beak.

Not a fan. I love the interior of the Enclave but I just couldnt look at that grill every time I walk into the garage.

gothicaleigh
04-23-08, 05:26 PM
Directly from the side, it looks like a chibi version of the 5-series.

gary88
04-23-08, 06:18 PM
The grille ever so slightly reminds me of the new Maserati Gran Turismo. Me likey! Looks like Buick is making a comeback.

gdwriter
04-23-08, 06:57 PM
Interesting use of a molded in version of the late '60s Riviera arrow side molding .Also known as the Sweepspear, a Buick styling trademark going back to the Fifties.

Other than the roof being too low and out proportion to the rest of the body, I like it. Invicta, a short-lived Buick name from 1959-62 beats the hell out of LaCrosse. Now if they would just call the next Lucerne an Electra or Roadmaster.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
04-23-08, 07:49 PM
What was the Invicta anyways? Was it the full sized sports model? Was it a compact?

caddycruiser
04-23-08, 08:29 PM
What was the Invicta anyways? Was it the full sized sports model? Was it a compact?

Good question, and one I've wondered. Even without knowing, like Rendezvous-->Enclave, it would really be yet another nice upscale sounding transition from the Lacrosse, if they could keep that concept name.

There's always the debate of why did Lacrosse replace Regal, too, but as the Enclave shows, if the vehicle is "right", a fitting new (or classic) name really just furthers the image in a good way.

I like Enclave and Invicta...just sounds higher grade than Rendezvous and Lacrosse, or even Regal--though Regal is still a great name, for some model, maybe. Lucerne is still positive, as well, at least to me (and I know that's a rare sentiment), but LeSabre always just had that perennial blue hair image and in a bad way. If the Lucerne itself had gone further, to really standout and match the new name, it would have worked better...but it will be interesting to see what happens with that as well, and what replaces it.

^^That all said...aren't you guys pleased to see that the general lines of that "concept" AND the interior are essentially dealer lot ready? Even if there's some outside lines or shapes or something you aren't 100% on, you have to admit this total package is really a standout for what it will be, especially when you add in the refinement & drivetrain guarantee with a modern Buick.

Jesda
04-23-08, 08:51 PM
I am confident... that Buick will water it down until it looks like a Grand Prix.

orconn
04-23-08, 09:03 PM
What was the Invicta anyways? Was it the full sized sports model? Was it a compact?

If I remember correctly, the Invicta name was used on the 1959 model that replaced the Century in the Buick model lineup. The Century was the short wheelbase full sized Buick (Special) but with the bigger more powerful engine of the senior models. The Century/Invicta models were considered pretty hot in their day. The Invicta name was disontinued early in the 1960's and the model became the Wildcat but was confined to a hot hardtop model. I think this is right, but I am sure there are Buick officianaods out there that will correct me.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
04-23-08, 09:13 PM
So you mean to tell me that there was a time before the Century name was used on a mid sized, six passenger snooze fest?

dwight.j.carter
04-23-08, 09:17 PM
not approriate for Buick GM needs to stick with old people cars on that front.

AMGoff
04-23-08, 10:01 PM
You little 'effer... lol! You beat me to it!!! I've had these pics sitting on my desktop for the past couple of days but I hadn't had a chance to start a thread about it.... oh well.

This gorgeous car is definitely going to replace the Lacrosse in the lineup. With any luck, they'll replace the Lacrosse name as well... Buick really needs to cash in on some of the brand equity built into their past nameplates... The Invicta would be a good name (maybe they could come up with a hotrod version called the Wildcat!)... but I wonder whether the fact that the name has been out of circulation for so long would be a good thing or a bad thing. I think this would be a great "Regal," or how about just the "GS?"

As others have mentioned... it's going to ride on the new Epsilon II platform (the same as the recently revealed Opel Insigna, ie - the next Saturn Aura), and will most likely be the first EII car on sale here in the states. It will be both FWD and AWD... and I've even heard that it is capable of being adapted for RWD use as well.

I see it being broken down like this... the base (CX) will be FWD with the 3.5L or perhaps the venerable 3.8L. The mid-level (CXL) will most likely come with FWD as standard with AWD as an option with either the 3.9L or the regular 3.6L. I'm almost certain the the top-level (CXS) will come with AWD as standard along with the DI 3.6 good for 300 horses with 6-speeds across the line.

I'd be very interested with what they would do with a "Super" version.... if it would fit, I'm thinking maybe a detuned version of the G8's 6.0L making around 350hp or so. I also think it would be great if they brought the Aurora V8 back and gave it to Buick... I'd imagine giving it either DI or perhaps a supercharger would give it close to 350hp as well.

All in all though... this is a gorgeous car and you can definitely tell that it's looks are pretty close to what the production model would be like. This is going to be a GIANT step towards making Buick the "American Lexus" it's intended to be.

hueterm
04-23-08, 10:08 PM
It definitely needs to replace the LaCrosse name. First, the French slang definition is reason enough, but it was introduced on a mediocre car and never took off. They were probably trying to do all "L" brand names, but they need to pull a Chrysler and kill it quick.

Lucerne is fine, and much better than LeSabre -- but Park Avenue is much better and so is Electra. There isn't a model that justifies Roadmaster right now, and while that Riviera concept is nice, Riviera needs to be on a full size luxury coupe, not a 2 seater (i.e. Eldorado vs CTC).

Chicano-Mexicano
04-23-08, 11:04 PM
Make it a coupe and you've got my attention.

orconn
04-23-08, 11:49 PM
So you mean to tell me that there was a time before the Century name was used on a mid sized, six passenger snooze fest?

Yes, Chad, there was a time long, long ago when a Buick Century was the hottest thing the brand's line up sort of like the Regal GS only better! But then that was back in the dark ages when cars would go, but wouldn't stop!

gdwriter
04-24-08, 12:03 AM
What was the Invicta anyways? Was it the full sized sports model? Was it a compact?The Invicta (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buick_Invicta) was the middle of the three-model lineup when Buick changed all the names in 1959 (it's also the reason behind the tri-shield which first appeared in 1960). It was essentially replaced by the Wildcat.

1960:

http://www.gmphotostore.com/images/53217504_pr.jpg

1962:

http://www.gmphotostore.com/images/53216924_pr.jpg

thebigjimsho
04-24-08, 12:33 AM
It looks like a more bulky version of the Lincoln MKSWell, considering the MKS was fashioned after the LaCrosse, I'd say Buick is copying no one...

caddycruiser
04-24-08, 12:41 AM
I am confident... that Buick will water it down until it looks like a Grand Prix.

Why? The production models have already been shown, just with the usual tarps...same link I posted before.

The reality is an Enclave concept to production transition...very little difference, just some things cleaned up and door handles added. A little more, in regards to some details and moldings outside, as well as I think the roofline...but all very minor.

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2007/09/w_2010_lacrosse_dc_priddy6.jpg
http://www.thecarconnection.com/images/scrapbook/original/7088.jpg
http://www.thecarconnection.com/images/scrapbook/original/7087.jpg

No need to doubt...especially given how this car has been talked about by GM.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
04-24-08, 12:44 AM
It rather reminds me of the Hyundai Genesis, especially from the rear.

dirt_cheap_fleetwood
04-24-08, 01:15 AM
Ugh. I hate nearly all concept cars. Most are hideous and impractical. WTH are they always so damn roundy. I do like the interior, but I sincerely hope they never use that body.

eldorado99
04-24-08, 01:17 AM
That Buick looks damn nice...

hueterm
04-24-08, 01:18 AM
I bet that front clip gets translated almost exactly -- it looks like they stuck the front of an Enclave in a hot dryer... The rear is a little cartoonish, but I mean -- it's replacing the LaCrosse. The new LaCrosse front end looks good, but the rear is blah city.

Jesda
04-24-08, 02:26 AM
Why?

Because Buick sucks.

They better get this right.

70eldo
04-24-08, 09:21 AM
It's gorgeous!

http://www.buick.com/buzz/index.jsp?cmp=invicta


Based on the Opel Insignia and also shares with Saturn Aura

http://www2.opel.de/insignia/?campaignid=ppc&advertiserid=google&bannerid=Opel%20Insignia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opel_Insignia

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=123765

But I see AMGoff already mentioned that...

MauiV
04-24-08, 03:29 PM
Why? The production models have already been shown, just with the usual tarps...same link I posted before.

The reality is an Enclave concept to production transition...very little difference, just some things cleaned up and door handles added. A little more, in regards to some details and moldings outside, as well as I think the roofline...but all very minor.

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2007/09/w_2010_lacrosse_dc_priddy6.jpg
http://www.thecarconnection.com/images/scrapbook/original/7088.jpg
http://www.thecarconnection.com/images/scrapbook/original/7087.jpg

No need to doubt...especially given how this car has been talked about by GM.


What is up with GMs new infatuation of the miniature trunk lid?

Dont really like much about the exterior of this car and I still hate the beak. The lines look too much like an Altima for me.

The Riviera front end is WAYYY better looking IMO but the gullwing doors are lame.

RunningOnEMT
04-24-08, 05:13 PM
what is with the short stumpy rear decklids nowadays, you can't get s**t into trunks on most of these modern cars.

HITMONEY
04-24-08, 11:25 PM
It's a Buick with a Lincoln Navigator grill.


I'll pass.