CTS
Deletions
Exterior color (25U) Blue Chip
Exterior color (53U) Radiant Bronze
Exterior color (67U) Light Platinum
Exterior color (78U) Sunset Blue

New Features
Exterior color (17U) Radiant Silver
http://eogld.ecomm.gm.com/images/lightduty/newfeatures/09cacts_gm17wa636r_nf.jpg
Exterior color (58U) Black Ice. Available at extra charge.
http://eogld.ecomm.gm.com/images/lightduty/newfeatures/09cacts_gm58wa501q_nf.jpg
Exterior color (96U) Blue Diamond Tricoat. Available at extra charge.
http://eogld.ecomm.gm.com/images/lightduty/newfeatures/09cacts_gm96wa580q_nf.jpg
OnStar with Bluetooth capability

http://eogld.ecomm.gm.com/NASApp/domestic/proddesc.jsp?year=2009&butID=1&regionID=1&divisionID=5&vehicleID=6547&type=0#

It looks like the Nav system will also have a 10 inch screen according to the information in the online order guide.

I am at 9 weeks and waiting for a production date for my ordered CTS (DI, PDQ, Black Cherry/Ebony) and I am going to have to decide quickly whether I want to walk away from this order and shoot for an '09. None of the changes on the '09 really interest me but at this point by the time mine is built I am buying a new car that is effectively a model year old which does make a difference at trade in time in the future. I am looking at the numbers although the newly announced $1,000 loyalty incentive helps a bit.

That's IT!!!?????????????????? That's all there is?

Still no EPB? No Paddle Shifters? No Rear Camera?.......

Maybe the Mem seats will work as advertised?

Seems to me that there is absolutely nothing there to tempt me.

Southern,

There are a few other changes and the paddle shifter is available but only with the summer tire package. Take a look at: http://eogld.ecomm.gm.com/NASApp/domestic/vehiclesel.jsp?year=2009&regionID=1&divisionID=5 and choose print book (it goes to your screen and not your printer) and choose CTS and the changes are highlighted in red. There are not many and it is hard to tell from the image in the guide but the new nav control panel looks like it has two disc slots. It may be the picture but it doesn't look terribly attractive (the control section) compared to the current system.

I find it hard to believe that that is the correct picture of the upcoming nav/radio unit. Looks terrible!

It is not. After comparing pictures, I can say that what they show in the CTS order guide is a picture coming from the audio system of the STS.

More changes include:

NEW! Steering wheel mounted Paddle Shift Controls
1 - Included and only available in (Y43) 18" (45.7 cm)
Summer Tire Performance Package and (MX0) 6-speed
automatic transmission.

UPF NEW! Bluetooth for phone, personal cell phone
connectivity to vehicle audio system
1 - Included and only available in (PDP) CTS Luxury
Collection, (PDQ) CTS Premium Collection or (PDR) CTS
Performance Collection.

WXS NEW! Bluetooth, wiring provisions
1 - Included and only available with (UAV) audio system
with navigation.

AP9 NEW! Cargo convenience net, trunk
1 - Included and only available in (PDP) CTS Luxury
Collection, (PDQ) CTS Premium Collection or (PDR) CTS
Performance Collection.

What are "Bluetooth, wiring provisions"?

what is happen with the 2009 cts sun shade are they keeping it or changing it*****

Another change seems to be around the J55 break package. In 2008 this was included in the Y43 package, and the Y42 package with AWD. I'm having a hard time understanding what the story is for 2009. It appears to me it's required in Y43 and available on all models now.

Anyone know when we will see prices?

I was really leaning toward the Light Platinum (now replaced by Radiant Silver) or Thunder Gray, but now I'm seriously being pulled by the Blue Diamond Tricoat. NICE!!!

On pricing information, even though the ordering information is now public at the eogld web site, I was informed by a local dealership that pricing won't be available until it's no longer possible to order an '08. They said to actually not expect to see pricing until June or July. As a point of reference, the '08's pricing was publicized in July '07--so that's right on track if the past is any indicator.

Get this--even though pricing is not yet public, I was told I will be offered an '09 at $500 over invoice! They will contact me when there's some real numbers to work with. How cool is that? :cool2:

Interesting.... says it has HVAC controls on the steering wheel also.

Steering wheel controls, mounted controls for audio,
HVAC and cruise

Also, flash to pass....
Headlamps, halogen Tungsten, windshield wiper-activated
with Twilight Sentinel and flash-to-pass feature

That's flash to pass on Halogen, not HID..........

There's no mention of the electronic parking brake (planned for the manual trans only as discussed before)....could this be solely on the 09 V ?? Also, why isn't there an order guide for the V on there?

Universal Home Remote and Bluetooth are now included in the Y44 Seating Package, grr. :banghead:. Memory Package now includes something called "driver personalization" (climate & radio presets, maybe?). I have to check and see if I have "articulating head restraints", because that's one of my least favorite features in the car.

I have to check and see if I have "articulating head restraints", because that's one of my least favorite features in the car.

How are the driver and passenger head restraints (headrests) adjusted?

I think they are talking about the "active" headrests that they came out with in December that allowed some super duper rating from the Insurance Institute.......there's a big thread about it somewhere......well, anyway, this (2009)will be the first full year it will be standard on all seats........
It just moves the headrest Forward, if you are hit from the rear..... cuts way down on whiplash injuries......GM is late to the party on this one,but I am glad they did it and my 2008 has it..........

How are the driver and passenger head restraints (headrests) adjusted?

AFAIK, they just raise and lower. I'll have to go check after work & verify.

Interesting.... says it has HVAC controls on the steering wheel also.


I remember seeing in sales literature that the HVAC controls were on the steering wheel for the '08. Not sure if they were planning it, then cancelled it and never fixed the book, etc..

Interesting. As an old time Climate Control User, I am more apt to set and forget. Sometimes for years.......
The ONLY thing I "adjust" is defrost.
Quite literally, I have set the CTS on Auto and 76 degrees and have yet to touch it since I bought it 3 months ago......why do I need the "added convenience" of steering wheel controls?
Confused in SW FL.............

I was really leaning toward the Light Platinum (now replaced by Radiant Silver) or Thunder Gray, but now I'm seriously being pulled by the Blue Diamond Tricoat. NICE!!!

On pricing information, even though the ordering information is now public at the eogld web site, I was informed by a local dealership that pricing won't be available until it's no longer possible to order an '08. They said to actually not expect to see pricing until June or July. As a point of reference, the '08's pricing was publicized in July '07--so that's right on track if the past is any indicator.

Get this--even though pricing is not yet public, I was told I will be offered an '09 at $500 over invoice! They will contact me when there's some real numbers to work with. How cool is that? :cool2:

RQFin MD, what dealer are you using. I used Len Stoler in Westminster and got a great price and terrific serivce in helpin gme get the car and all the incentives that were offered at the time. Ask for Scott Doyle, he was my salesperson or mesage me and I will get you the contact info.

Interesting. As an old time Climate Control User, I am more apt to set and forget. Sometimes for years.......
The ONLY thing I "adjust" is defrost.
Quite literally, I have set the CTS on Auto and 76 degrees and have yet to touch it since I bought it 3 months ago......why do I need the "added convenience" of steering wheel controls?
Confused in SW FL.............

I change mine ALL the time. I like to drive with the windows down when it's nice, so I turn it off. Can't let the A.C. leak out! I like to turn it off when it's cold (45-50) and I'm on a long drive (I guess I like it cool in the cabin) I turn it down to between 65 and 70 when it's cool out, and up to around 75 when it's hot out. I would use steering wheel climate control all the time. I'd probably only use the temp though, I do leave it on auto because I've never had a car with auto fan that actually worked before.

So far, I'm glad I waited. I have paddle shifters on my Acura and it's easy to get used to them.

RQFin MD, what dealer are you using. I used Len Stoler in Westminster and got a great price and terrific serivce in helpin gme get the car and all the incentives that were offered at the time. Ask for Scott Doyle, he was my salesperson or mesage me and I will get you the contact info.

Hey, Ranton...I PM'd you. Thanks!

Anyone know when we should expect pricing to be available for the 09s? I assume before you can order them

I was told that dealers could place 09 orders on May 20th, so that would be the latest that pricing would be published.

The allowed orders before pricing came out last year. I've read posts of people who ordered before pricing was out.

The allowed orders before pricing came out last year. I've read posts of people who ordered before pricing was out.

I'm too chicken to do that...HA HA!

(I like to know exactly what I'm getting myself into before I go putting my name on something. Yeah, I know they will probably still sell the thing if I bail out, but I just don't operate like that. If I order, I'm saying I'm ready to buy that day--unless some life changing thing happens before the car gets here. I'm sure they'll understand if that ever happens.)

Just me; to each his own...

Anyone know when the 09's come out?

Oh yeah, there's no way that I'd order before the prices are out. I was just giving an example of how it worked last year. I ordered a week after pricing came out.

Anyone know when the 09's come out?

I understand they will be available for ordering sometime in May/June and in dealerships in August/September (but I'm no expert--it's just what I was told by a dealership).

What would be interesting is if the components for the WXF option for the Bluetooth wiring provisions could be purchased from the dealer and retrofitted to 2008 models. I believe it uses the same microphone that OnStar does.

Deleting Blue Chip?! We receive comments all the time about how beautiful ours is. Maybe the color and the FE3 will make it more of a collector's item someday.

Deleting Blue Chip?! We receive comments all the time about how beautiful ours is. Maybe the color and the FE3 will make it more of a collector's item someday.

Blue Chip is very classy and very easy to look at, but Blue Diamond is incredible. Check ur dealer, they may have a Blue Diamond DTS and you can really gain an appreciation for it!

I really like the look of that Blue Diamond Tricoat.

Best Regards,

Thomas Carey

Blue Chip is very classy and very easy to look at, but Blue Diamond is incredible. Check ur dealer, they may have a Blue Diamond DTS and you can really gain an appreciation for it!

I'm confused. If I go to Cadillac.com and "build my own" DTS there is no option for "Blue Diamond".

Does anyone know if blue diamond will be the same as "stealth grey" on the Escalade - because that looks really blue.

I'm confused. If I go to Cadillac.com and "build my own" DTS there is no option for "Blue Diamond".

Does anyone know if blue diamond will be the same as "stealth grey" on the Escalade - because that looks really blue.


Very simply, Cadillac.com SUCKS!. They never update. My dealer has a Blue Diamond DTS on the lot!

I'm confused. If I go to Cadillac.com and "build my own" DTS there is no option for "Blue Diamond".

Does anyone know if blue diamond will be the same as "stealth grey" on the Escalade - because that looks really blue.


No, blue diamond will not be the same as stealth gray.

Will "Black Ice" be on any other GM models in showrooms soon?

Will "Black Ice" be on any other GM models in showrooms soon?

It is on the 2008 Saturn Aura, it is called Carbon Flash . I think it looks too dark and since the metallic flake is scattered lightly more towards the surface, it looks like thre is overspray or pollen on the surface, i keep wanting to wipe it off, haha.

Does anyone know if the 09 model will offer the Direct Injection engine with Manual transmission on an FE2 suspension? I believe the 08 DI manual is only available on an FE3 suspension with Summer tires. I want a manual, the DI, but not Summer tires (I live in the Northeast) and I think the FE3 suspension will be too hard.

I still see the same limitation for 2009 - DI RWD model allows Manual only with FE3. Bummer.

It states the Nav screen will be 10" on 2009.

What size is the 2008 screen?

Is the Nav system changing or just a larger screen? How will get larger screen without change in dash system?

then 08's screen is 8" i believe
10" is gonna be insanely huge.. at least IMO

It states the Nav screen will be 10" on 2009.

What size is the 2008 screen?

Is the Nav system changing or just a larger screen? How will get larger screen without change in dash system?

Where did you get your information?? Straight from Dealerworld:

Audio system with navigation, AM/FM stereo with CD/DVD player, MP3 playback, Bose 5.1 Cabin Surround Sound 10-speaker system and HDD-based navigation with XM NavTraffic/Real Time Weather, 8" pop-up screen, Radio Data System (RDS), 40GB Hard Drive Device (HDD), USB with audio connectivity and steering wheel controls
1 - Included in (PDQ) CTS Premium Collection. Requires (PDP) CTS Luxury Collection or (PDR) CTS Performance Collection. Not available with (PDW) Performance Luxury Package or (U2S) AM/FM stereo with CD/DVD player, MP3 playback and Bose 5.1 Cabin Surround Sound 10-speaker system.


Very clearly states 8" screen. I do believe a 10" screen would require a dashboard redesign.

10" pop-up navigation screen was a mistake in the April 11 version of the order guide. Since then, it got corrected; it will have 8" pop-up.

Southern,

There are a few other changes and the paddle shifter is available but only with the summer tire package. Take a look at: http://eogld.ecomm.gm.com/NASApp/domestic/vehiclesel.jsp?year=2009&regionID=1&divisionID=5 and choose print book (it goes to your screen and not your printer) and choose CTS and the changes are highlighted in red. There are not many and it is hard to tell from the image in the guide but the new nav control panel looks like it has two disc slots. It may be the picture but it doesn't look terribly attractive (the control section) compared to the current system.

That is just an old STS navigation system. I believe that is an old stock photo that someone missed.

10" pop-up navigation screen was a mistake in the April 11 version of the order guide. Since then, it got corrected; it will have 8" pop-up.

Thanks for the update.

I have a 2008 Esclade that has Nav and it is an 8" screen. Is the Nav system in the 2008 CTS the same as 2008 Esclade? I currently have a 2006 CTS and it's Nav system is different from the Esclade.

Here's one for you...
For MY2009, PDQ (premium package) will NOT be available with MN6 (manual trans). I have a MY2008 PDQ with MN6. Whay take away the "fully-loaded" car away from the manual trans customer???

09 CTS Update (5/19/2008): The performance brakes (J55) will be included and only available in (Y43) 18" (45.7 cm) Summer Tire Performance Package when (MX0 = RWD) 6-speed automatic transmission is ordered. That means only with DI, RWD, FE3. Not available anymore on DI, AWD, FE2.
Dammit!!:mad:

We just test drove the CTS today, and spoke with the dealer about the changes for 2009. One change listed on the 2009 CTS product information sheet says: "(PDQ) CTS Premium Collection now includes (Y42) 18" All-Season Tire Performance Package." Does that mean that you cannot get the PDQ Premium Collection package without the 18" all-season tire package and FE2 suspension? I'm not sure I really want the 18" all-season tire package, as we plan to get an AWD CTS and are in the Chicago area. I believe the regular 17" all-season tires would be better.

Thanks for any advice.

Is there anyway to see "Black Ice" in comparison to the "Black Raven"?

I would like to order a 2009 in June or July, and don't know how to see the new color option. Thanks for any suggestions!

You can see black ice on a STS at your dealer or on a paint chip at your dealer. I thought I might go that route too, but did not like it as much as the pure black raven. Just my opinion ...

whats up with the j55 performance brakes not avail for the awd.. I was just at the dealer about to order an 09.. Is there much of a difference..

I agree. Why indeed would they drop the j55 brakes from the 2009 AWD. That seems like a step down in safety. Are they dropping totally, or just making an option instead of standard with the AWD.

My guess is they are trying to set the foundatons for a series.... Here is my reasoning:

We all know that the V, coupe, wagon, and maybe convertible are in the works.
The reason for making certain options restricted is the same reason they changed the packages in mid 08.
They want to target base model customers, luxury customers, and performance customers with the same car.
They are trying to do much what BMW does so well, minimal changes to a vehicle while attracting the widest audience.

My $.02

Is there anyway to see "Black Ice" in comparison to the "Black Raven"?

I would like to order a 2009 in June or July, and don't know how to see the new color option. Thanks for any suggestions!

That color is also on the current Saturn Aura, the color is called "Carbon Flash" or something like that, and too dark for my tastes and looks like there is pollen or dust on the car becasue the metallic flakes are scattered infrequently (compared to regular blended metallic colors) and more or less on top of the color base layer, so you can see the actual flakes

The new Radiant Silver is not on any GM car, past or present, and will unfortuntaley be on a lot of 2009 GM cars right down to the Chevys, so dont expect it to be anything special or brilliant like Mercedes Silver, but we can always hope

So, does anyone know when Cadillac will actually post the difinitive, true changes to the ‘09 (non-V) versions of the CTS or have they oficially done this yet? I’ve got my eye on an ’08 but I want to know if I am going to be missing out on anything if I wait for the ’09.

They have, months ago. That is the purpose of this thread.

I just received notice last Saturday that my 2009 has been built and should be here in about 2 weeks. Everything that I originally ordered on the 2008 is there except the polished aluminum wheels for the all season tires. My dealer said they are not available at the moment. His thinking is that they are changing suppliers. The sticker is very simple...not sure if it is what will be on the car, but it just shows PDQ Premium Collection at $10,100 MSRP and then lists all options as N/C. Hopefully they will carry the 0% interest into July. I'm sure it will be for all GM cars except CTS with all my luck!!! I'm anxious to go pick it up and drive it.

My guess is they are trying to set the foundatons for a series.... Here is my reasoning:

We all know that the V, coupe, wagon, and maybe convertible are in the works.
The reason for making certain options restricted is the same reason they changed the packages in mid 08.
They want to target base model customers, luxury customers, and performance customers with the same car.
They are trying to do much what BMW does so well, minimal changes to a vehicle while attracting the widest audience.


So will they be building a Poser Class Cadillac?

CTS 3 Series?

I guess?

I heard that they will revamp the BLS... european 3 series size caddy, and sell it here in the future

Isnt that really a slob, oh, i mean Saab?

Yeah Nick, it's the Saab with a little sheet metal......And it has been a horrible failure.

I hope they don't bring it here. Things are starting to look up for Caddy. I wouldn't want that P.O.P to ruin it. Top Gear on BBC2 tore that car apart.

well if i remember correctly they are planning on remodeling it and bringing it over here sometime in the future. but then they are also going to price the CTS higher to compete with the 5 Series and merge the DTS/STS to make a car that competes with the 7 Series.. it's all speculation, so who knows

We just test drove the CTS today, and spoke with the dealer about the changes for 2009. One change listed on the 2009 CTS product information sheet says: "(PDQ) CTS Premium Collection now includes (Y42) 18" All-Season Tire Performance Package." Does that mean that you cannot get the PDQ Premium Collection package without the 18" all-season tire package and FE2 suspension? I'm not sure I really want the 18" all-season tire package, as we plan to get an AWD CTS and are in the Chicago area. I believe the regular 17" all-season tires would be better.

Thanks for any advice.

Hey, my first day on the forum.:cool2:

I am in the Chicago area as well:highfive:, and have the same dilema. I want the paddle shifters, but do not want the 18s and tight sport suspension either. How badly will the tight suspension affect winter driving. I would be happy with 17 alloys and get a 20in set for the summer. My AWD Jag X-type is great in the snow and I would like the same out of a CTS4. I wanna trade the cat in for the CTS4:cool:. I think the base suspension would best for me.

Anyone here from the Corvetteforum, I've got over 9000 posts on there... looking forward to learning about the CTS here.

The summer performance package is not as harsh as everyone who doesn't own it professes it to be. Give one a shot. FE3 is pretty awesome.

Today is my 1st day to post on the forum. However, I have been reading and gathering lots of cool info all summer. Thank you!! I am considering buying a CTS or Infiniti G.

While comparing prices of used 08s on Autotrader.com this evening, I came upon an entry from my local Cadillac dealer in Houston, Tom Peacock. They listed 09 CTS's in stock. Just to be sure, I called the saleslady I have been dealing with and to my amazement...she said they have them on the lot. 49k with all the bells and whistles. Even a new blue color...can't wait to see it!

Today is my 1st day to post on the forum. However, I have been reading and gathering lots of cool info all summer. Thank you!! I am considering buying a CTS or Infiniti G.

While comparing prices of used 08s on Autotrader.com this evening, I came upon an entry from my local Cadillac dealer in Houston, Tom Peacock. They listed 09 CTS's in stock. Just to be sure, I called the saleslady I have been dealing with and to my amazement...she said they have them on the lot. 49k with all the bells and whistles. Even a new blue color...can't wait to see it!
Welcome sabntx !!
You just made reference to the new blue color... If they have it on the lot, could you just take a pic and post it here. I think it will be very appreciated by all members ;-)
Thanks...

I noticed 3 differences between the 09s and my car they are:

1) BMW style XM/Onstar antenna
2) Oil pressure guage goes to 100psi instead of 80psi
3) The the black decals around the window are now textured

1 and 2 correct, 3 wrong. They are extured, unless it was a late 08 switch, mine are.

That's funny, I was specifically coming here to post that number 2 was wrong. My oil pressure gauge goes to 100psi, and mine was built the first week of November 2007.

2 and 3 must have been mid year changes. I have a very early model 08 and those were my observations after sitting in an 09.

Hey who here said that the 09 will have paddle shifters? My dealership says it is not on any option, anyone know ?

Hey who here said that the 09 will have paddle shifters? My dealership says it is not on any option, anyone know ?

You have to take the FE3 package. They are included with the 18" (45.7 cm) Summer Tire Performance Package and 6-speed automatic transmission. I remember that I have seen a picture of shifters behind the steering wheel of a 09 CTS on this forum.
Matt

isnt the summer performance package only available with the rear wheel drive?

isnt the summer performance package only available with the rear wheel drive?

Yes, the summer performance package is available only with the rear wheel drive.
Matt

Hey who here said that the 09 will have paddle shifters? My dealership says it is not on any option, anyone know ?

Got an 09 with the paddles (really butons), they do only come with Summer Tire. I will say they are fun though, nobody can see them but you know they are there. When you take people out you can just place into sport mode and then pop a down shift for some fun cornering :yup:. They never see it coming.

so in other words if you have a AWD you cant get it?

so in other words if you have a AWD you cant get it?

That's correct, unfortunately!
Matt

From the Car Guy Newsletter (Dallas/Ft. Worth):

GM will introduce their new Cadillac CTS coupe In November at the Los Angeles Auto show. This ends much speculation about whether or not it will be built. Sources say that the sporty luxury coupe will go into production in May of next year. Coming soon however is the wagon version of the CTS.

Hey who here said that the 09 will have paddle shifters? My dealership says it is not on any option, anyone know ?

Here in the UK the 3.6DI have them as standard.

In fact the only options seem to be colour (color for the American!) and sunroof/moonroof. Otherwise the car is loaded with everything. But no AWD!

Hi, first post. :) Considering a car to replace my long-since sold BMW 540i, the Best Car I've Ever Owned™, and the CTS is looking all right...particularly in Black Cherry. :D

So my question: if I'm reading the Order Guide correctly, it appears that for 2009 you can get a DI CTS with a manual IF you pick up the Y43 Summer Tire Package...am I reading that right?

well couldnt resist the GM employee discount so pulled the trigger on a 09 metallic red, cashmere interior, premium luxury package, less AWD and the DI engine...drove both and opted for the base engine...personal preference....car coming in tonight from another dealer...should take delivery in the next day or two...was hoping to get it in March..but had to delay for personal reasons....timing is everything with the employee discount....

Here in the UK the 3.6DI have them as standard.

In fact the only options seem to be colour (color for the American!) and sunroof/moonroof. Otherwise the car is loaded with everything. But no AWD!


Similar to UK in Germany you can chose 2.8 V6 Elegance or sport luxury or 3.6 DI Sport Luxury with manual or automatic transmission, but also the AWD.
Then, of course, the colors of the ex- and interior (only cashmere/cocoa, silver or ebony/ebony). Convenience Package (ventilated seats, memory package, EZ Key, keyless entry and remote start), UltraView Sunroof, Woodpackage, 10 speaker Bose and DVD/NAV are options.

That's it... but it is a lot easier this way. I want everything anyway (except for the wood and I regret there is no ebony/cashmere).