: Malibu... ITS ON! 2010 Ford Taurus SPIED



Playdrv4me
04-10-08, 01:17 PM
http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/il/news/2008/0409/10.ford.taurus.f34.500.jpg

All I can say is WOW. Ford finally got something half right for once when it comes to their bread and butter offerings. I can't really tell, nor does the article say whether this is still the same chassis underneath as the current 500/Taurus, but whatever it is, it looks GOOD. Lets hope they didn't gay up the rear end like the MKZ and for the love of all that is holy get rid of that damn Taurus moniker.

Article here:
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=125514?tid=edmunds.il.home.photopanel..3 .*#2

RunningOnEMT
04-10-08, 01:25 PM
they brought the taurus name back because the 500 wasnt selling, they saw a 300% increase in sales when they renamed it to the taurus again, people recognize the name and like it....

that looks like a lexus to me...

Jesda
04-10-08, 01:26 PM
Its Mondeo-like. Thats a good thing.

Playdrv4me
04-10-08, 01:32 PM
they brought the taurus name back because the 500 wasnt selling, they saw a 300% increase in sales when they renamed it to the taurus again, people recognize the name and like it....

that looks like a lexus to me...

Im not sure where you picked up that info, but Ive read SEVERAL articles that specifically refute this. The reason people didnt BUY the 500-rus is because they didn't LIKE the car, and because the earlier model had an underpowered engine. The info I have read is completely different, sales were almost completely UNAFFECTED by going back to the Taurus moniker.

Not only that, look what that 1980s throwback did to the Freestyle... (dead soon).

The name change to Taurus was only about a year behind the changeover to the 3.5L V6 if not less. If there's anything warmer sales can be attributed to its a slight redesign and a LARGER more ADEQUATE engine. I'm one of the few people who liked the Five Hundred's overall design since the day it came out, and I much preferred it with the original nameplate than Taurus, regardless of engines or design.

nickc50310
04-10-08, 01:43 PM
One of my best friends work car is a Taurus. We affectionately refer to it is the CliTaurus. :crybaby:

I~LUV~Caddys8792
04-10-08, 01:44 PM
Not bad for a Fjord. It reminds me of a mix between an ES350, Mondeo and a Hyundai Genesis.

It lacks the Malibu's creativity, but still looks damn good.

Playdrv4me
04-10-08, 01:44 PM
One of my best friends work car is a Taurus. We affectionately refer to it is the CliTaurus. :crybaby:

HAHAHAHA! NICE.

Florian
04-10-08, 02:12 PM
you ought to buy them from Pinkly Ford...then youd have a Pinkly Taurus.....

my fave.



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Playdrv4me
04-10-08, 02:54 PM
Not bad for a Fjord. It reminds me of a mix between an ES350, Mondeo and a Hyundai Genesis.

It lacks the Malibu's creativity, but still looks damn good.

Actually, I know EXACTLY what I see in the front end... 2008 Honda Accord Coupe. Which is not a bad thing necessarily, its the accord coupes rear end that is absolutely hideous...

http://www.egmcartech.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/2008_honda_accord_coupe_official_image005.jpg

LS1Mike
04-10-08, 03:24 PM
Saw this a few days ago on another board, hope they actually make it and it works out for Ford because it is a good looking car.

AlBundy
04-10-08, 04:23 PM
Saw this on another board as well. When you click on the link there is a Malibu directly above the pic which looks similar.

caddycruiser
04-10-08, 10:03 PM
It is a good looking, if not groundbreaking, design, it just looks like a "high rider" in these pictures--hopefully just a side effect of the non-production looking wheels. We'll see soon enough.

That said, as a new Malibu owner, the Taurus isn't exactly a direct competitor, as it's a size class up--the Malibu matches against the Fusion. It's more an Impala competitor, and in that sense, definitely a more modern, roomy, refined, etc. car (in current form) so this only takes that further with looks.

Just like rumored from Ford, taking the same fantastic guts again from the current models (I believe) but finally giving the exterior and interior looks of the right caliber. Well, except for the very high stance, at least here. And again, nothing incredibly groundbreaking, just sort of what should have been as a volume Ford sedan for a long time--tasteful, but nothing more. Have to see more, clearer, larger, and other views.

AlBundy
04-10-08, 10:44 PM
I know you can at least see that the Taurus isn't trying to win the ugliest sedan award.

MauiV
04-10-08, 11:52 PM
I hope Ford makes it because my Mom lives on Ford retirement and I get them at Z plan price (yet I drive a Cadi, LOL).The Firestone/Exploder deal KILLED Ford Motor Company. I have always liked their interiors over GMs Rubbermaid but their exterior and engines have left much to be desired.

I also work in a town with a Ford Explorer and SuperDuty plant so the local economy is dependant on Fords so I hope they do well as it keeps my property value high. That being said, I wont buy a Ford till they get the whole package together. The Intercetor is a good start IF they actually make the damn car.

hueterm
04-11-08, 01:10 AM
If they'd made the Ford Forty-Nine, I'd have bought one...

Playdrv4me
04-11-08, 03:48 AM
It is a good looking, if not groundbreaking, design, it just looks like a "high rider" in these pictures--hopefully just a side effect of the non-production looking wheels. We'll see soon enough.

That said, as a new Malibu owner, the Taurus isn't exactly a direct competitor, as it's a size class up--the Malibu matches against the Fusion. It's more an Impala competitor, and in that sense, definitely a more modern, roomy, refined, etc. car (in current form) so this only takes that further with looks.

Just like rumored from Ford, taking the same fantastic guts again from the current models (I believe) but finally giving the exterior and interior looks of the right caliber. Well, except for the very high stance, at least here. And again, nothing incredibly groundbreaking, just sort of what should have been as a volume Ford sedan for a long time--tasteful, but nothing more. Have to see more, clearer, larger, and other views.

You're right, I thought about the Impala but I didn't even bring it up because to do so would be an embarrasment compared to this Taurus. Its obvious based on the current advertising that GM has it's eggs in the Malibu basket right now until the Impala gets it's turn at the redesign wheel (and hopefully RWD, which would again secure it's supremacy to the Ford).

I guess if you want to take it a step further, this then would probably be more of a Lacrosse competitor.

Night Wolf
04-11-08, 04:17 AM
Wow, I really like that alot.

I am still waiting to see whats going on for Lincoln when they end the current Town Car in a couple years. There is no way a SUV/Crossover should be able to replace it... Lincoln needs another large *car* and it should remain the Town Car, not become alphabet soup.... ah well.

What is the Z plan pricing? thru work I can get X plan pricing on new Fords.... still tho, on a $20k car, it takes off like $2k, not a whole lot... but... yeah, dosen't go along with my "get out of debt, stay out of debt" plan...

MauiV
04-11-08, 11:30 AM
Z Plan is the same as A plan. A is for current employees and Z for retirees. X is A/Z +4%.

Plan pricing isnt really percentage set (cept on Rovers which was 11%). The more expensive the vehicle, the more profit that is built in, the more you get off. I got over $6k off my LS and over $5k off my F150 Supercrew Lariet. The more optioned out the vehicle is the more you get off because of the mark up. Not much mark up in a Focus, thus not much off.

Red_October_7000
04-11-08, 02:43 PM
Hey NightWolf... ever think Lincoln could go back to its roots and call its large car the Continental again? Maybe even offer it with suicide doors? 4-door convertible, anyone? Those old boats kicked ass. If Ford kills the Panther platform around the time GM brings out a RWD full-size, GM might win back the fleet sales. They should call the low-end models Caprice Classics. Every cop and cabby in the world would want one, they were the best cars you could get for that job. Think about it... Caprices for Police departments, Taxis, rental firms, etc. (with of course the ability to order one for yourself if you wanted it) and Impalas for the masses! Cripes I hope GM gives us a decent RWD car again... I'm so sick of Wrong-wheel drive...

thebigjimsho
04-11-08, 03:39 PM
Hey NightWolf... ever think Lincoln could go back to its roots and call its large car the Continental again? Maybe even offer it with suicide doors? 4-door convertible, anyone? Those old boats kicked ass. If Ford kills the Panther platform around the time GM brings out a RWD full-size, GM might win back the fleet sales. They should call the low-end models Caprice Classics. Every cop and cabby in the world would want one, they were the best cars you could get for that job. Think about it... Caprices for Police departments, Taxis, rental firms, etc. (with of course the ability to order one for yourself if you wanted it) and Impalas for the masses! Cripes I hope GM gives us a decent RWD car again... I'm so sick of Wrong-wheel drive...I'll tell you what. If Ford skimps on quality and cuts corners as badly as they did from the 2004 Town Car to the 2007, which is basically the same damn car, I will jump to an overstock DTS with its FWD and not as reliable drivetrain IN A SECOND!

My 2004 was reliable and had little minor issues. My 2007 had its blend door actuator replaced at 8,000(!!!) miles. The driver's seat is broken(and before anyone questions my build, my 2004 went 218,000miles without an issue), the serpentine belt was missing a rib, the climate control blows air erratically, the drive-by-wire is pure torture(throttle tip-in and off is NOT smooth and it stutters at low speeds), the computer thinks I need washer fluid when it's full and states I need an oil change at less than 3,000 miles, the suspension has been dialed in to be way too stiff with very slow rebound on the rear suspension(if you don't go really slow on speed bumps the rear crashes down), the leather is a drab grey instead of black, the steering wheel is changed in that it's harder to grab comfortably and the wheel's buttons are cheap an inconsistent in their function, there is no double visor shade nor Homelink, a headlight went out at 33,000 miles and the car sways much worse than the '04. And I paid an extra $1,500 over my '04 for that POS.

Some companies try to mask where they cut corners and/or costs. And some make it obvious.

Night Wolf
04-11-08, 03:40 PM
Z Plan is the same as A plan. A is for current employees and Z for retirees. X is A/Z +4%.

Plan pricing isnt really percentage set (cept on Rovers which was 11%). The more expensive the vehicle, the more profit that is built in, the more you get off. I got over $6k off my LS and over $5k off my F150 Supercrew Lariet. The more optioned out the vehicle is the more you get off because of the mark up. Not much mark up in a Focus, thus not much off.

Thats really cool to know, thanks :) So I'd basically be paying 4% over employee pricing, I guess not too bad.

Yeah, I was looking at a mid-level Focus, it was around $20k and with the X plan it took it down to $18k.... I don't mean looking at one to buy, just when I found out about that, I thought it was cool.

I wonder if its on pre-owned cars as well? I dunno how it works for me too if its something I need to do thru Ford or any dealer etc... really never looked into it.


Hey NightWolf... ever think Lincoln could go back to its roots and call its large car the Continental again? Maybe even offer it with suicide doors? 4-door convertible, anyone? Those old boats kicked ass. If Ford kills the Panther platform around the time GM brings out a RWD full-size, GM might win back the fleet sales. They should call the low-end models Caprice Classics. Every cop and cabby in the world would want one, they were the best cars you could get for that job. Think about it... Caprices for Police departments, Taxis, rental firms, etc. (with of course the ability to order one for yourself if you wanted it) and Impalas for the masses! Cripes I hope GM gives us a decent RWD car again... I'm so sick of Wrong-wheel drive...

I dunno, I don't like all this alphabet soup now.... Lincoln should bring back the Continental and Mark names, and keep Town Car as well. Heck same with Cadillac, DeVille, Seville and Eldorado were all known and respected names.... ah well, we've been over this so much.

Rumor is though, Town Car name will die off with the Panther chassis. Dated? Yes. But it's still hard to beat a Panther for what it is, and what it offers.

I think the new Charger is going to be the new wide-spread police car, I see it already... but.... I think departments will start phasing out the Vic's and getting Chargers instead when it is time to reorder.

AMGoff
04-11-08, 03:47 PM
I was gonna say... as soon as I saw that picture I immediately thought it was the current Mondeo.

I wonder if Ford finally realizes that they need to bring their European models over here ASAP. They've been saying for the longest time that they're too expensive to import. Well... HELLO? Why the hell can't you just build the same damn thing over here? The biggest problem Ford has been facing in NA is themselves... a little bit of common sense goes a long way.

If they build this car over here and build it right, I honestly believe this will trigger a renaissance for Ford... much like GM is going through now... all it takes is a few good models - Just look at the CTS, Malibu, Enclave, Aura, etc...

C&C
04-11-08, 03:53 PM
Screw that Tauras, I want to see the new Malibu; GM, tried and true, since birth. Please make it be good/great.

gary88
04-11-08, 04:38 PM
Am I the only one who thinks this design is just kind of, "meh"? It doesn't really stand out to me that much.

Though I do agree Ford NEEDS to bring their sweet European cars over here.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
04-11-08, 08:10 PM
Ford rocks in Europe and Australia. It's funny how they ignored their home market for so long..

AlBundy
04-11-08, 08:18 PM
Since they dumped Jaguar, Lincoln should get some more attention. A Mark IX would be cool.

caddycruiser
04-11-08, 09:29 PM
Am I the only one who thinks this design is just kind of, "meh"? It doesn't really stand out to me that much.

Though I do agree Ford NEEDS to bring their sweet European cars over here.

Nope, I do too. Like I said, it's nothing standout, just a well proportioned and apparently nicely detailed design--but something that "should have been" for a mainstream car. Doesn't, at least in one pic, blow much of anything out of the water, but has that clean attractiveness without being bold that tends to be universally accepted.

As for the Euro cars...Ford has talked about this at great length before, and a lot is just the financials of it--at least if you were to just certify and boat them over (al-la Pontiac GTO/G8, etc.). What they're trying to do, or at least are still working on, is making development global so there isn't necessarily 2 hugely different designs, one in America and one elsewhere--but rather the same basic thing, developed as a team effort. Still has yet to be done, but we'll see.

MauiV
04-11-08, 09:52 PM
Ford rocks in Europe and Australia. It's funny how they ignored their home market for so long..

I have heard this since the Cosworth was tearing up the British Isles. Problem is no one is gonna pay $30,000 for an Escort in the States.

The Firestone debacle has DESTROYED Ford over the past decade.

Another problem IMO is engine design and exterior design. I have liked their interior MUCH better than the GM Rubbermaid and the ugly Chrysler models. They ditch the LS for a the MKZ? HORRIBLE.

When the Ford Edge has a MUCH better design than the higher priced sibling MKX there is a problem.

With the Interceptor it looks like Ford may be serious about coming back to the table with the big boys but I doubt it ever sees production.

AMGoff
04-11-08, 11:30 PM
I have heard this since the Cosworth was tearing up the British Isles. Problem is no one is gonna pay $30,000 for an Escort in the States.

The Firestone debacle has DESTROYED Ford over the past decade.

Another problem IMO is engine design and exterior design. I have liked their interior MUCH better than the GM Rubbermaid and the ugly Chrysler models. They ditch the LS for a the MKZ? HORRIBLE.

When the Ford Edge has a MUCH better design than the higher priced sibling MKX there is a problem.

With the Interceptor it looks like Ford may be serious about coming back to the table with the big boys but I doubt it ever sees production.

Wait... ok... no.. wait... yeah, I'm still having trouble following all that. I suppose one at a time then...

Why would someone be paying $30K for an Escort in the states? The big excuse was always that it would be too expensive to import the Euro models... well, why the 'eff do they need to import them? Just retool things and build them here... and then export those to Europe and make some damn money for a change.

Bottom line is that I think Ford is finally waking up a little bit and realizes that drastic (possibly expensive) changes or very much needed... because none of it will matter one bit if there's no company at all.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
04-11-08, 11:40 PM
I'm still confused as to why Ford initially spent so much time, money and effort on the foreign markets while practically starving their home market of anything even resembling fun.

AMGoff
04-11-08, 11:58 PM
I'm still confused as to why Ford initially spent so much time, money and effort on the foreign markets while practically starving their home market of anything even resembling fun.

Because they actually had to work harder and build quality products in order to compete in the European market. That and they gave damn-near autonomous control over to their Euro division.

For how long did Ford have it's place in the American market? They didn't have to build anything competitive because for the longest time their only competition was GM and Chrysler... and way back when folks were a lot more brand loyal - so a Ford guy was going to buy a Ford badge.. regardless of what garbage it was affixed to. But it didn't matter because none of the other Big 3 were doing anything different.

Like I said.. Ford's only problem is Ford. GM has already waken up and is starting to make big changes... all they needed was a big enough push - and that more or less came when Toyota started making heavy blows.

Chrysler has just been in very unfortunate circumstances... I don't care how people feel about their cars, but MB had no friggin' clue how to run Chrysler... everything done was with Mercedes' benefit in mind. They still have a chance though, as ownership changed hands only recently... look how many years it's taken the General to right the ship and even they have a ways to go still.

Then you've got Ford... who is suffering the catastrophic effects of both middle child syndrome and perpetual runner-up syndrome. When you spend so many years being number 2... it's not as big of a deal being number 3 or 4 or 5 etc... It's not like losing the top spot. They just neither get it nor think they have as much to lose... A lot of it also stems from the family - the Ford family needs to get out of the business and right away. None of the current crop of Fords have the vision and foresight of Henry, nor the cutthroat instincts of Henry II... they're nothing but a bunch of spoon-fed pansies who've watched the value of the Class-B stocks plummet from billions to jack-squat.

If it keeps up... the Ford family will be seen by history as one of the greatest entrepreneurial failures of America.

Playdrv4me
04-12-08, 02:34 AM
Ford gave up on their home market when the home market gave up on Ford and started transitioning to foreign vehicles.

At some point in the past they reached a fork in the road and apparently decided to focus on expansion and innovation in foreign markets while the U.S. customer base was out to lunch. Figuring (erroneously) that the legacy clientele that had ALWAYS been Ford faithful would simply continue to accept the mediocre products they had been churning out for years by that time already. For a while this approach was successful, even culminating in the acquisition of the PAG group throughout the 90s and 00s while the home turf was left un-tended.

The story, as well all know however, turned out very differently once the bottom fell out of the domestic market. If you ignore a bad tooth long enough its eventually going to work loose and fall out or disintegrate altogether. Then they realized that overseas profits no matter how good, were not going to stem the massive tide of loss here in the U.S., but alot of damage had already been done. Apparently now they're trying to get back to their roots, firesaleing all the ancillary brands they can and rebuilding the home market. Hopefully, they won't repeat their past mistakes again.

Night Wolf
04-12-08, 06:02 AM
Yeah, but the F-150 is still #1 selling truck in USA for 148 years in a row.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
04-12-08, 09:46 AM
No doubt their truck owners and fans are extremely loyal, but their cars.....

AMGoff
04-12-08, 02:26 PM
Yeah, but the F-150 is still #1 selling truck in USA for 148 years in a row.


You know... that's always ruffled my feathers a bit. I don't know what sort of old boy's gentlemen's agreement there is between GM and Ford, but the GMT900/800 1500 series sells more than the F150. I don't care if they have two different badges on them either... they're the same damn truck, and they should be counted the same... especially since we know damn well that if the Sierra wasn't available, those buyers would go for the Silverado.

caddycruiser
04-12-08, 04:34 PM
You know... that's always ruffled my feathers a bit. I don't know what sort of old boy's gentlemen's agreement there is between GM and Ford, but the GMT900/800 1500 series sells more than the F150. I don't care if they have two different badges on them either... they're the same damn truck, and they should be counted the same... especially since we know damn well that if the Sierra wasn't available, those buyers would go for the Silverado.

Yeah, that technicality has always perturbed me too--just slightly. I'm an equal fan of both, for their own merits, but Ford saying they have the best selling, regardless of the fact that it's against 1 of a pair of models. Then again, GM wants each to be seen separately--Chevy and GMC--even if they are the "same", so maybe it's a valid point. It's a weird one, at least as far as the numbers go.

Night Wolf
04-12-08, 05:15 PM
I heard that last year Ford let a bunch of new commercial F-150's go quite cheap to different work compnaies just to keep the claim.... I don't remember the artical.

I like all the American trucks, so to me it really doesn't matter. Most all of the trucks for my compnay are Ford... Ranger, F-150 and F-250, basic ones.

hueterm
04-12-08, 10:09 PM
If GM's U.S. design team can bend over for Holden, and all their cool designs end up in China (that Shanghai Riviera concept not withstanding...).....Ford can bring over their European models...