: Cars that fit this criteria?



Jesda
03-30-08, 09:35 PM
There was a discussion at the local BMWCCA forum about how disappointing the 1-series was that prompted this question.

1) new car
2) fit for daily driving
3) ~2500 lbs
4) fun to drive
5) sedan - can we stretch it include to a coupe, too?

CIWS
03-30-08, 09:47 PM
What were they disappointed about ?

thebigjimsho
03-30-08, 09:49 PM
The 1 series is very heavy for its size. But does it have to be 2500lbs? It has to be tiny, then. 3000lbs is a much better requirement...

Jesda
03-30-08, 09:57 PM
What were they disappointed about ?

Weight, price, styling.

CIWS
03-30-08, 10:05 PM
Weight - 2500 lbs isn't too heavy for a car that has tuning potential like a 135i.

Price - It's a BMUU, what do they expect from a car built mostly by robots and has "germen engineering". They have a name to uphold.

Styling - It's the new entry level. I wouldn't expect too much, despite its price.

AMGoff
03-30-08, 10:26 PM
I'm going to have to second jim's sentiments (as rare as that may be)... one would be hard pressed to find much that fits the criteria with that weight limit...

Just to put it in perspective... the current Mazda MX5/Miata now weight... 2400lbs! That's 400lbs more than the original generation. Even the Toyota Corolla comes in over 2500lbs these days for Pete's sake!

LS1Mike
03-30-08, 11:20 PM
2500 lbs?
Holy cow, that thing has got to be small and pricey.

caddycruiser
03-30-08, 11:30 PM
All of a sudden on Friday, I saw quite a few new 1-series. The local BMW dealer up the street seemed to have just gotten their shipment in, and my bumping around to different stores was an experience in seeing different trims and colors out test driving...then back to the dealer for the next person waiting.

Both coupe and convertible, and actually, they don't look as awkward as I thought from pictures as far as the short length vs. too high. Honestly, it's smaller, but in motion and at first glance, I thought 3-series until the second or third blink.

But as far as pricing, bulk, etc., I just don't get it. With desirable options, it's WAY too expensive, and though smaller and lighter than the rest of the line, it isn't "that" much so. Still, at least from what I saw on Friday...I'll be used to seeing them quite a bit soon.

As far as weight...that's a "problem" with almost everything now. The hardest part is automakers don't want to make new models weigh more, but with each new design, there's an increase in body structure solidity (weight), insulation (weight), electronics (weight), size (weight), etc. The more and more high-tech and solid/refined cars get, the weights just explode.

This is such an interesting question...I can't immediately think of something that meets that criteria...:hmm:

thebigjimsho
03-30-08, 11:53 PM
Weight - 2500 lbs isn't too heavy for a car that has tuning potential like a 135i.
No, you misunderstood. The 135i weighs in at almost 3500lbs!

thebigjimsho
03-31-08, 12:04 AM
I guess the Mini Cooper kinda qualifies...

LS1Mike
03-31-08, 12:11 AM
I guess the Mini Cooper kinda qualifies...

That is what I was thinking, but it dosen't move out like the new 1 series.
I don't even know how much a Mini is these days.

Florian
03-31-08, 12:32 AM
I guess the Mini Cooper kinda qualifies...

+1, I got to drive a Cooper S that had a pulley swap and that bastard was F-U-N....what a blast. Id seriously consider one as a toy.


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JC316
03-31-08, 03:48 AM
To be perfectly honest, a Saturn SL2 fits that description. 2300lbs, a little rocket in stock form I can only imagine if it were modified, the motor is literally like half of a Northstar, it corners like it's on rails and it gets around 36MPG. Not fancy by any means, but a fun little car to drive. It has taken the place of my 98 SLS until gas prices drop.

CIWS
03-31-08, 09:01 AM
No, you misunderstood. The 135i weighs in at almost 3500lbs!

Possibly, I didn't go look it's specs up off the site.



Edit - Unladen - Manual Transmission 3373 lbs (135i coupe)


Unladen - 3660 (3671) lbs (135 convertible)

I~LUV~Caddys8792
03-31-08, 09:39 AM
I was gonna say the Mini Cooper S too, but it probably weighs more than 2500, and it doesn't technically come in a four door layout, even with that extended version. I think that's a three door, and the rear door, like the old Saturn Coupes, is a suicide door.

I love Mini Coopers, most specifically, the S version. It would make for one heck of a fun toy.

Jesda
03-31-08, 10:58 AM
Possibly, I didn't go look it's specs up off the site.



Edit - Unladen - Manual Transmission 3373 lbs (135i coupe)


Unladen - 3660 (3671) lbs (135 convertible)

WTF! That 1-series convertible weighs 100LBS MORE than my 325 vert!!!!!

c5 rv
03-31-08, 11:44 AM
1 - Mazda 3 sedan with a 5-speed manual is 2800 - 2900.

2 - Mazdaspeed3 (a 5-door rather than sedan) is about 3150.

3 - Subaru WRX sedan is about 3150.

4 - Honda Fit with a manual trans is just under 2500. The 09 Fit is supposed to be a bit bigger with better standard equipment.

Stoneage_Caddy
03-31-08, 10:46 PM
any numbers on the new solstice coupe ?

MauiV
04-01-08, 10:04 PM
VW R32

4 doors not available in the US.

Weighs 3500lbs.