I didn't want to highjack the other navigation tread, but i was talking to a co-worker who brought something really important to my attention when i told him about what im planning on doing to my DVD Navigation using Lockpick.
He told me that he knows of someone that hacked or installed something similar to Lockpick in their car, later got into an accident and the insurance company found out about it, even though he wasn't watching a DVD when he got into the accident, he couldn't prove that to them, they dropped him and he in turn got sued....my friend didn't know all the details about the story, but i got the idea.
God forbid if i get into a car accident, I would have never thought about this before but now i guess the 1st thing i would need to do is to take out the lockpick before i file for any claims or file anything.....I was wondering what everyone’s thoughts are on this issue.... after all it is a touchy subject.

w/o a visable switch, i do not see how this could ever become evident to anyone. i have a noticable switch that turns options (not video) on until gps kicks it off 30 seconds later...plenty of time to locate an mp3 or dial a call, or enter an address, and there's nothing they can say about IT, so even if they saw a switch...

i really think it's a non-issue unless someone sees you with tv on, in front passanger compartment, while driving.

In the case here in Alaska, a passenger riding with a DVD watcher involved in a fatal crash ratted out the driver. He later recanted but it cost the driver everything he had to defend himself.

thats all a bunch of bull that will never hold up in court, friends usually make stuff up to worry their friends and bring them off of their cloud. even if you did get into an accident while watching a dvd there is nothing that they can do out of the ordinary. like he said it would have to be someone that can prove that you were watching a movie.

thats all a bunch of bull that will never hold up in court, friends usually make stuff up to worry their friends and bring them off of their cloud. even if you did get into an accident while watching a dvd there is nothing that they can do out of the ordinary. like he said it would have to be someone that can prove that you were watching a movie.
The driver here in Alaska was charged with negligent homicide and the prosecutor was going to make it stick with the direct testimony of the passenger until the passenger recanted his testimony.
If you shoot somebody and a witness sees you do it, your goose is cooked. This case was no different. The other thing you have to remember about an insurance company leaving you high and dry is that it's a civil matter and the standard of proof is much lower. All they have to do is proove that it's more likely than not that you had a DVD player visible to the driver.

Eventually a correlation will be found between Darwin's Law and people who watch DVDs while driving.

I called my insurance company. They said I was still covered unless it was porno.

As an insurance adjuster believe me when I say that the insurance companies will go to whatever means possible to make sure they are not paying for something they don’t owe for. I know that if it was ever made known to the insurance company or any other parties involved that this switch was installed your butt would be hung out to dry. Even if you were not watching the dvd, just having it in there was be enough to go to court over it. Same thing with reckless driving.... The insurance company does not count reckless driving as an accident, so if the police write you a ticket for reckless driving and you are involved in a accident, the insurance company does not owe for the damage. A kid from a town close to where I live learned that lesson the hard way with a new Viper that he totaled a 130mph!!!

Best bet would be if you have a wreck and live, remove and destroy the lockpick before the car is towed.

I understand the concern, but why is this different than anything else? I do not condone watching a DVD while you drive, but you could just as easily have a portable DVD player on your dash. I don't know that an insurance company could avoid a claim for that. What about a Garmin or other aftermarket GPS unit that sticks to the windshield? They don't have a cutoff. Ever hear of an insurance company denying a claim because you bent down to pick up your french fry? Still a stupid distraction as all of the other examples, but I do not believe an insurance company can avoid a claim (not saying they won't try) because of a driver's negligence. That is exactly why there is insurance-to protect for negilgence.

The big question is.... Would this show up in "BLACK BOX DATA ?" speed and such would also be logged. That reminds me, I have to look into shutting that off. At least we have a law in NH that your car does not have to testify against you and you can have data logging shutoff.

I know if I was a lawyer, that would be the first thing I went after.

The big question is.... Would this show up in "BLACK BOX DATA ?" speed and such would also be logged. That reminds me, I have to look into shutting that off. At least we have a law in NH that your car does not have to testify against you and you can have data logging shutoff.

I wonder if the diagnostic codes would show the loss of the VSS signal each time the device is enabled; that would be kind of hard to hide from GM if the car was brought in for warranty work.

And would the "black box" data show a vehicle speed of 0 in the seconds leading up to an accident, because of no VSS signal?

When will it end? Sue GM for making and selling you the car. They also installed the screen that was able to be lockpicked. Sue the gas station where you filled up, if they didn't sell you gas, you wouldn't have been able to drive and have an accident. And everyone that worked on the road you were on, sue them because if that road wasn't there then no accident would have happened. And sue the state for having the road built in the first place.

I can't believe that an insurance company would check all cars involved in an accident for modifications to the navigation screen.

I wonder if the diagnostic codes would show the loss of the VSS signal each time the device is enabled; that would be kind of hard to hide from GM if the car was brought in for warranty work.

And would the "black box" data show a vehicle speed of 0 in the seconds leading up to an accident, because of no VSS signal?

With hundreds of pages of threads anyone that really read the navigation threat would understand how the lockpick works. There is no way of telling that you have this device installed unless you or someone in your vehicle says so.

The VSS signal is distributed throughout your vehicle.. Did you notice your speedometer still works? Of course it still works and VSS is resported to every part of the car that needs it. You are just stopping the VSS signal to the Navigation system.

I have had this capability in my vehicles for almost 10 years.. There is no more of a distraction than if you use a portable MP3 player, portable Navigation Unit, Cell Phone, Etc. Just drive responsible and you will be fine. If you dont want the lockpick unit you purchased re-sell it to another forum member that did not get in on the group buy, There are a few that still want one. And move on already... This discussion gets discussed over and over again... Want more of the subject re-read the old Navigation discussion and you will have plenty of reading to pass the time.

There is no more of a distraction than if you use a portable MP3 player, portable Navigation Unit, Cell Phone, Etc. Just drive responsible and you will be fine.
:yeah: Here's a simple rule to live by. Don't be stupid. Thank you. Have a nice day.:thumbsup:

The difference between garman and any other nav system is that the law does not consider this "streaming video" which is what DVD's are considered as. It is not against the law to use navigation "UNLESS" it causes a distraction to you which results in an accident. Just like a cell phone. Try having a wreck and talking on the cell phone and not get sued. But since playing "streaming video" is illegal in all states, and might even be against federal law, the insurance companies would look very hard into this subject before paying a claim. :helpless:

People have always found plenty of stupid things to do and they always will. Watching DVDs while driving is one of them. All you can do is keep your eyes open for that car containing a distracted driver drifting into your lane. No amount of argument on an internet forum is going to change the mind of anybody dumb enough to try it. Unfortunately there are too many people that the only way they can learn is the hard way. The rest of us have to suffer the consequences of their stupidity with blood and broken bones, if not our lives. Such is life. That's the way it's always been and always will be.

All I want is to not have to press "I Agree" everytime I use the Nav system. Sheesh! I'd even be willing to sign some legal document to not hold GM liable if the Nav had me drive into a lake, or similar type thing.

Thats really funny that you say that. I was using my gps that is installed in my laptop the other day and it said turn left and when I did it was a small road that led right into the Tennessee river. The map showed it as a road that ran across it????? I was thinking about how many people might try to drive in and sue the gps people. It sucked tho becuase I had to drive 30 miles out of the way to get around the river.