: Sleeper Recommendations?



c5 rv
03-18-08, 07:38 PM
The office I'm working at will be moving from a suburban location where we can look out at our cars in a small parking lot to a downtown building, having to park in parking structures at least 4 blocks away. We were talking about whether it would be a good idea to drive cars that don't attract thieves and vandals. Our discussion focused on new or late model cars that would be comfortable and/or fun, but wouldn't attract the wrong type of attention when left unattended:

- Buick LaCrosse CXS (it's a Buick, but drives nice)
- Buick Lucerne CXS (DTS in sheeps clothing)
- Last generation Cadillac DeVille and Seville
- Chevy HHR SS
- Chevy Trailblazer SS (if you have a big gas budget)
- Lincoln MKZ (A Lincoln, but small according to some logic)
- Mazdaspeed3 (ricers must not walk through parking structures)
- Subaru Impreza WRX (the guy has a gray one that supposedly no one will notice).

What are your thoughts of worthy sleepers?

RightTurn
03-18-08, 07:49 PM
Take the bus.



j/k :lol:

Cadillac Tony
03-18-08, 08:25 PM
The Lucerne CXS is a nice ride, and a heck of a deal to boot.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
03-18-08, 08:39 PM
A good Sleep Number bed will cure all ailments. I set mine to 79.





Seriously,
-LT-1 Caprice/Roadmaster
-93-95 STS/ETC, before they got all flashy and blingy.
-SHO
-Mark VIII (like my friend said. "It was once a cool young car, but it settled down and got a desk job, and now look what happened)
-GS/GTP (nobody would ever think a GS is as fast as they are)

ryannel2003
03-18-08, 08:58 PM
'06+ Impala SS

Submariner409
03-18-08, 09:10 PM
'53 Morris Minor drophead coupe with a Chevy 283 and Austin truck rear axle.

TSS
03-18-08, 09:18 PM
'06+ Impala SS

Darn. Beat me to it. An 06+ SS sans SS badging and without chrome rims is an awesome sleeper IMO.

gary88
03-18-08, 11:10 PM
Find yourself an '03 STS, they can be had pretty cheap now. Tons of bang for the buck.

illumina
03-18-08, 11:31 PM
2004 E55 AMG. Just a thought.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
03-18-08, 11:40 PM
BEST sleeper ever!!!!! Bar none.

1990 Infiniti Q45.
http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//pictures/VEHICLE/1990/Infiniti/3813/1990.infiniti.q45.5417-E.jpg

People won't recognize it, and then once they get up close and see the Q badge, they'll know it's an Infiniti, but they'll still be confused, because they've never heard of a "Q45" before. (what a shame) Now the fun begins with a 278hp DOHC V8 that'll do 0-60 in 6.6 seconds and run a 14 second 1/4 mile.

And the best thing is? It's tough to find one for over $6,000. Not to mention that it was Infiniti's flagship, so it's got all the creature comforts you'd ever desire, wrapped in a bland, vanilla wrapper that most people would have pegged as an '80s Toyota Cressida.

I can personally attest to the awesomeness of these early Q's. At the Iowa meet last May, I saw Jesda do donuts in his $800, 190k mile example, confidently drive through rush hour downtown traffic like a madman, then I saw his tail lights when I raced him in my '92 deVille, and lastly, I got to experience the thrilling top end power of that VH(VK?)-45 Nissan V-8.

So yeah, buy a Q45. It gets my seal of approval. :thumbsup:
I know I would if I had the space and the fundage.

dirt_cheap_fleetwood
03-19-08, 12:01 AM
The impreza is gonna be a head turner. Don't get any type of "import tuner", as they are all the rage now (sadly) and will get broken into if not stolen. I agree on the impala idea. HHR SS is a does not deserve the SS badge. If it ain't got a v8, it shouldnt be allowed to say SS on it.

ShadowLvr400
03-19-08, 12:43 AM
Crown Victoria. Common as dirt, the motor has plenty of places to go, the balance is ok, fuel economy is decent enough, can be gotten brand new for 22k base model... And if anyone does look, it's just to make sure its not a cop. A little blower on top could make it pretty perky.

dmarlow
03-19-08, 02:04 AM
74 Chevy Vega with a retro/installed small block 350, 400 turbo trans and posi rear end.

Had one in the 70's............smokin.

hueterm
03-19-08, 09:45 AM
New Taurus/Sable.....pretty bland...

I~LUV~Caddys8792
03-19-08, 09:55 AM
Well if by sleeper you mean "can go up parking ramps at 16 mph", then yeah, choose the Crown Victoria. Otherwise, buy a cool car. :)

TSS
03-19-08, 09:57 AM
New Taurus/Sable.....pretty bland...

True, but not a "sleeper".

c5 rv
03-19-08, 01:14 PM
I found some sites that listed the least stolen cars per insurance company statistics. Two were Buicks: LeSabre and Park Avenue.

ryannel2003
03-19-08, 01:24 PM
The new Camry SE V6 is pretty fast too. Plus, nobody would even think it's fast since Toyota doesn't make anything fun.

*Puts on flame suit*

gary88
03-19-08, 01:43 PM
Well if by sleeper you mean "can go up parking ramps at 16 mph", then yeah, choose the Crown Victoria. Otherwise, buy a cool car. :)

It was 15mph I believe. 16mph is only possible with a long list of mods.

TSS
03-19-08, 01:46 PM
The new Camry SE V6 is pretty fast too. Plus, nobody would even think it's fast since Toyota doesn't make anything fun.

*Puts on flame suit*

Flamed? For speaking the truth?

AMGoff
03-19-08, 01:48 PM
One word and two letters - Regal GS.

TSS
03-19-08, 01:52 PM
I found some sites that listed the least stolen cars per insurance company statistics. Two were Buicks: LeSabre and Park Avenue.

Maybe I am not understanding what sleeper means here. I was thinking, a really really fast car that does not draw attention and is likely to humble those uneducated and choose to challenge it. Last Buick sleeper I met was an 87 Grand National. Or, perhaps a Park Ave Supercharged Ultra. Darn, that is what you said above , wasn't it...

thebigjimsho
03-19-08, 01:54 PM
'06+ Impala SSI concur. May I add the Forester XT?

ryannel2003
03-19-08, 01:54 PM
Flamed? For speaking the truth?

Flamed for mentioning the word Toyota on this forum. :hide:

thebigjimsho
03-19-08, 01:57 PM
BEST sleeper ever!!!!! Bar none.

1990 Infiniti Q45.
http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//pictures/VEHICLE/1990/Infiniti/3813/1990.infiniti.q45.5417-E.jpg

People won't recognize it, and then once they get up close and see the Q badge, they'll know it's an Infiniti, but they'll still be confused, because they've never heard of a "Q45" before. (what a shame) Now the fun begins with a 278hp DOHC V8 that'll do 0-60 in 6.6 seconds and run a 14 second 1/4 mile.

And the best thing is? It's tough to find one for over $6,000. Not to mention that it was Infiniti's flagship, so it's got all the creature comforts you'd ever desire, wrapped in a bland, vanilla wrapper that most people would have pegged as an '80s Toyota Cressida.

I can personally attest to the awesomeness of these early Q's. At the Iowa meet last May, I saw Jesda do donuts in his $800, 190k mile example, confidently drive through rush hour downtown traffic like a madman, then I saw his tail lights when I raced him in my '92 deVille, and lastly, I got to experience the thrilling top end power of that VH(VK?)-45 Nissan V-8.

So yeah, buy a Q45. It gets my seal of approval. :thumbsup:
I know I would if I had the space and the fundage.Yeah, if you're a young turd. If you were actually alive when this car was released, MANY people knew what it was. It wasn't always the forgotten car it was in its last generation...

TSS
03-19-08, 01:58 PM
One word and two letters - Regal GS.

Damn. Another Buick making me eat my words. Great sleeper.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
03-19-08, 02:07 PM
It was 15mph I believe. 16mph is only possible with a long list of mods.


Damn you Gary! I picked up the phone at work as I started reading that and I had a hell of a time trying not to laugh into the phone as the customer was explaining the problems on her car.

MauiV
03-19-08, 04:29 PM
Lincoln LS with the 3.9L and add the Supercharger that was put on the Jag R Types that Ford should have offered on the LS to begin with.

A few years ago a Ford team entered one in either the 1 Lap of America or the Gumball. I think it did fairly well if memory serves.

Great lines, not real flashy and 400 HP.

urbanski
03-19-08, 04:38 PM
It was 15mph I believe. 16mph is only possible with a long list of mods.
POTW
2 month supporter

gdwriter
03-19-08, 04:50 PM
Serta Perfect Sleeper FTW:

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CIWS
03-19-08, 05:44 PM
04-07 CTS-V with the V badges removed.

STS-V with the V and Supercharger badges removed. :D

Blackout
03-19-08, 06:03 PM
SHO
Mark VIII
1st gen. Mazda MX-6 or Ford Probe GT
Volvo 850 T-5R
Volvo C70
Volvo S70 T5
Volvo V70R
Infiniti M45/Q45
Saab 9-3 Aero or Viggen
Subaru Forester XT
Pontiac G6 coupe or sedan
Pontiac GTP
An old Mitsubishi Galant VR4

I can go on

orconn
03-19-08, 07:41 PM
I have to agree with Chad on this one; the Q45 is the sleeper to beat! And there not even in demand for parts Here or abroad!!

LS1Mike
03-19-08, 07:49 PM
Grand Prix GXP
Bonneville GXP
Grand Prix GTP
Regal GS
Syclone
Typhoon

I~LUV~Caddys8792
03-19-08, 07:51 PM
http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/5530/sleeper2gt7.jpg

LS1Mike
03-19-08, 08:05 PM
I thought of two more:
Bonneville SSEI
Oldsmobile LLS (supercharged 3800) They are out there.

Stoneage_Caddy
03-19-08, 08:35 PM
Volvo 240 Wagon with a Buick 3.8 Turbo stuffed in it

Fiero with the 5300/4t80e combo from a wrecked 06 impala stuffed in there , perhaps a little nawss to ensure americas least favoreit piece of tupperware blows thru the sound barrier

Volvo S60R/V70R

Saab 9-3 Aero

Saab 9-2x (saabaru)

Buick Lacross "super"

Stoneage_Caddy
03-19-08, 08:35 PM
and one for LS1MIKE
Dodge GLHS

TSS
03-19-08, 08:38 PM
Anybody say OLDER Maxima SE 5 speed yet?

I seem to recall incredible 0-60 times in the high sixes/low sevens way back then. Like very late 80's/early 90's.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
03-19-08, 08:53 PM
Yeah, the '93 Maxima brochure I have quotes the 0-60 for the five speed Maxima at 6.7 seconds. That's Northstar territory.

96Fleetwood
03-19-08, 09:08 PM
How about a 12 second 1/4 mile 1992 Olds Custom Cruiser wagon?

http://www.impalassforum.com/vBulletin/showthread.php?t=187505&highlight=wagon+turbo

LS1Mike
03-19-08, 10:04 PM
and one for LS1MIKE
Dodge GLHS

That brings a tear to my eye right there! Wish you could fine 'em clean. :bouncy:

c5 rv
03-19-08, 10:07 PM
Maybe I am not understanding what sleeper means here. I was thinking, a really really fast car that does not draw attention and is likely to humble those uneducated and choose to challenge it. Last Buick sleeper I met was an 87 Grand National. Or, perhaps a Park Ave Supercharged Ultra. Darn, that is what you said above , wasn't it...

Our definition of a sleeper was "New or late model cars that would be comfortable and/or fun, but wouldn't attract the wrong type of attention when left unattended". And yes, the PA would have to be an Ultra. A supercharged Riviera would also be appropriate, but we were mainly focusing on cars less than 5 years old.

Stoneage_Caddy
03-19-08, 10:07 PM
which makes them even more a sleeper ....becuse even if you do see one , you know the ol dog dont have the fight left in it ....

dkozloski
03-19-08, 11:14 PM
This is what I thought he was talking about.
http://www.railwaysleeper.com/KFrailwaysleepers-size%20and%20weight.htm

dirt_cheap_fleetwood
03-20-08, 12:17 AM
Where I come from, those are called railroad ties. Get it? They tie the rails together. Who the hell calls those sleepers?

NOT ON MY WATCH
03-20-08, 01:21 AM
Where I come from, those are called railroad ties. Get it? They tie the rails together. Who the hell calls those sleepers?

Apparently some English folks do.

dirt_cheap_fleetwood
03-20-08, 08:27 AM
Wait, DKOZ is English?

Blackout
03-20-08, 08:47 AM
Since when is Alaska part of England?

c5 rv
03-20-08, 11:44 AM
What's with all this talk of cars? Obviously, we were talking about the Woody Allen movie. Remember the orgasmatron?

MauiV
03-20-08, 01:08 PM
Found some pics of the Hot Rod Lincoln....

The 2004 modified production Lincoln LS is competing in the mid-priced sedan class. Its supercharged 4.6-liter 2-valve V-8 engine has 430 horsepower at 5,250 rpm and 430 lb.-ft. of torque at 3,000 rpm. The engine is an aftermarket Roush Performance Products Stage 3 Mustang engine mated to a Mercury Marauder four-speed automatic transmission. Roush had to install a taller hood with an air vent on top to accommodate the engine. While this Roush Stage 3 engine is available for anyone to purchase and install, this high-powered LS is not available at your local Lincoln dealer

dirt_cheap_fleetwood
03-20-08, 05:23 PM
Its front wheel drive though, isn't it? Imagine all the torque steer goin on if it is.

Jim C
03-20-08, 06:46 PM
Olds Aurora?

I've never driven one though...
I love this thread though. This is the question that racks my little brain all the time.
What can I roll that in that is a sweet ride, but totally underestimated by most folks, and therefore the car market and thieves.

c5 rv
03-20-08, 08:34 PM
Its front wheel drive though, isn't it? Imagine all the torque steer goin on if it is.


The Lincoln LS was RWD. I understand the later years were fairly reliable.

ShadowLvr400
03-20-08, 08:37 PM
I'd also mention the 94-96 Fleetwood. Scavenge so many parts from Vettes, Camaros, Caprices, etc. Power's do able. A V6 Mustang actually could be fun. There's blowers out which would make it pretty punchy. Oddly, the Dodge Magnum's not garnering as much attention between the Charger and 300, and it's a pretty nice ride. The Subie Outback has a turbo 4 and a NA 6 available, could be fun too.

MauiV
03-20-08, 09:06 PM
The Lincoln LS was RWD. I understand the later years were fairly reliable.

I LOVED my LS but it just didnt hve enough UMPHHH. If they offered it with the 400 HP S/C Jag R-type motor I would still be in a Lincoln but Ford is WAY behind GM and Chrysler in the motor dept the last decade.

I dont think you even need to do the engine transplant and that the S/C from the Jag will mount up on the 3.9L for 400hp vs the 430 they are getting on the project car.

thebigjimsho
03-20-08, 10:34 PM
I LOVED my LS but it just didnt hve enough UMPHHH. If they offered it with the 400 HP S/C Jag R-type motor I would still be in a Lincoln but Ford is WAY behind GM and Chrysler in the motor dept the last decade.

I dont think you even need to do the engine transplant and that the S/C from the Jag will mount up on the 3.9L for 400hp vs the 430 they are getting on the project car.Ford got a great head start with the LS...but they let it fizzle. Ford put it out there and then let it hang out to dry...

I~LUV~Caddys8792
08-20-08, 11:04 PM
I hate to resurrect a thread that's over a half year old, but I was thinking about this again, and I've got another to add to the list.

1991-92 Dodge Spirit R/T.

0-60 in 6.3, the 1/4 mile in 14.5 at 97 mph and a 141mph top speed. They had a 224hp twin cam, 16 valve, turbocharged 2.2L I-4, and back in their day, they were the quickest four door in the world. Nowadays, you'd never know what it is because, honestly, how often do you see any Dodge Spirit anymore, nonetheless this bad boy?

http://www.allpar.com/model/images/front.jpg

http://www.allpar.com/model/spiritrt.html

ryannel2003
08-20-08, 11:10 PM
Oh yeah I saw an old Motorweek video on that thing... ugly as sin but damn fast.

dirt_cheap_fleetwood
08-21-08, 12:27 AM
One of my friends had an old Dodge spirit that we beat into the ground. He got it for $100 even though it was in surprisingly good shape. We used to drive down the highway in the wee morning hours and knock down construction barrels by opening the doors.

Blackout
08-21-08, 12:21 PM
Oh yeah I saw an old Motorweek video on that thing... ugly as sin but damn fast.

How about this for an old Motorweek episode and this car is a hell of a sleeper as well. Galant VR4 circa 1991

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGTkH3DFlAE&eurl=http://www.sotsyndicate.com/cars/20338-motorweek-circa-91-a.html

Aron9000
08-21-08, 05:02 PM
Suburu Legacy, nice looking sedan, has the turbo 4/manual trans option

Mercury Mararuder or a Crown Vic LX The mararader has the DOCH Ford V8, with a lot more power though

Honda Accord coupe(manual trans/v6)- Ricers really don't pay much attention to the newer Accords